March 2012 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

Re: [Wlug] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

by Keith Wright

> > If what you are getting online is for free, you are > not the customer, you are the product. -Jonathan > Zittrain, professor of Internet law (b. 1969) I have read that before, but did not have an attribution. I would like to offer and ammendment. you are not the customer, you are the merchandise. Facebook, Google, and Hotmail had nothing to do with producing me; I am not their product. -- Keith PS: Essay question 1: How does this aphorism apply to getting Linux for free?

March 25, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

by Eric Martin

I agree it's not ok to share your address book, but accidents happen. That, and I was more getting at the fact that X service doesn't have our individual email addresses. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:34 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I should have made that more clear. > > Mail-list address or not, Iit still is not okay to give the WLUG email > address to any other entities whatsoever. Someone shared the WLUG a > mailing address with a certain social/commercial website. Then > secondhandedly WLUG mailing list contacted x number of individual > contacts on behalf of the social/commercial website The message > included a direct link to this commercial website. List members were > invited to click on this link, or else to click on the UNsubscribe > link. > > Even sharing the WLUG contact address with outside entities is Non-OK. > We all got Spammed because someone decided it was okay to give our > email to ___.com.. > > Liz J > > If what you are getting online is for free, you are not the customer, > you are the product. -Jonathan Zittrain, professor of Internet law (b. > 1969) > > On 23 March 2012 21:09, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > To clarify Liz, Linked In doesn't have your email address. They have > > wlug(a)wlug.org, and that contact opened X hundred emails. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Eric Martin

March 24, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

by E Johnson

I should have made that more clear. Mail-list address or not, Iit still is not okay to give the WLUG email address to any other entities whatsoever. Someone shared the WLUG a mailing address with a certain social/commercial website. Then secondhandedly WLUG mailing list contacted x number of individual contacts on behalf of the social/commercial website The message included a direct link to this commercial website. List members were invited to click on this link, or else to click on the UNsubscribe link. Even sharing the WLUG contact address with outside entities is Non-OK. We all got Spammed because someone decided it was okay to give our email to ___.com.. Liz J If what you are getting online is for free, you are not the customer, you are the product. -Jonathan Zittrain, professor of Internet law (b. 1969) On 23 March 2012 21:09, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > To clarify Liz, Linked In doesn't have your email address. They have > wlug(a)wlug.org, and that contact opened X hundred emails. >

March 24, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

by Eric Martin

To clarify Liz, Linked In doesn't have your email address. They have wlug(a)wlug.org, and that contact opened X hundred emails. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:21 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > My guess is somebody gave their address book to LinkedIn > > Obviously so. > > Jason also commented: > > > > Just need to be careful letting sites and apps go through your email > contacts > > Not just "be careful" but more like: "Do Not allow" sites and apps any > access to your email contacts at all. > > Ppls contact info is not owned by whoever has the person in their Contacts > list. > > Maybe a link could be added to the WLUG mailing list signup page, sending > a proposed (requesting-to-join) WLUG mailing list member to a page stating > Privacy policy (non-share contacts info). If a proposed (requesting) > mailing list member must read Privacy policy, then agree (click Yes to > Agree) before becoming a member of the mailing list, maybe it would prevent > the idea that Contact lists can be so casually given away. > > Liz J > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- Eric Martin

March 24, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

by E Johnson

> My guess is somebody gave their address book to LinkedIn Obviously so. Jason also commented: > Just need to be careful letting sites and apps go through your email contacts Not just "be careful" but more like: "Do Not allow" sites and apps any access to your email contacts at all. Ppls contact info is not owned by whoever has the person in their Contacts list. Maybe a link could be added to the WLUG mailing list signup page, sending a proposed (requesting-to-join) WLUG mailing list member to a page stating Privacy policy (non-share contacts info). If a proposed (requesting) mailing list member must read Privacy policy, then agree (click Yes to Agree) before becoming a member of the mailing list, maybe it would prevent the idea that Contact lists can be so casually given away. Liz J

March 23, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

by Jason Couture

Just need to be careful letting sites and apps go through your email contacts. On Mar 23, 2012 6:59 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > It was sent to the wlug mailing list. My guess is somebody gave their > address book to LinkedIn, the same thing happened with Facebook a few years > back, IIRC (or was that on another mailing list?) > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:33 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Noooo! >> >> Did anyone else from WLUG receive this? If so, let's fix it. >> >> Please don't use the private WLUG mailing list contact info for >> invitations to social sites! >> >> Al, please delete me from your Contacts immediately. >> >> WLUG: maybe some kind of Privacy statement should be posted on the WLUG >> website (link on main page). I looked for some statement about how the >> mailing list contacts should be private, but found none. Private mailing >> lists are not for mining. >> >> Wrong, bad, no, please, no. My contact is not to be shared, not at any >> time, for any reason. >> >> Thanks, >> Liz J >> >> If what you are getting online is for free, you are not the customer, you >> are the product. -Jonathan Zittrain, professor of Internet law (b. 1969) >> >> On 23 March 2012 18:14, Al Butler <albutlerjr(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> [image: LinkedIn] >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: Al Butler] >>> >>> *From Al Butler* >>> >>> Information Technology and Services Professional >>> Greater Boston Area >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. >>> >>> - Al >>> >>> >>> >>> Confirm that you know Al<https://www.linkedin.com/e/-guplyd-h05sfzre-19/isd/6412973860/N4Pmccpb/?hs=…> >>> >>> >>> >>> You are receiving Invitation to Connect emails. Unsubscribe<http://www.linkedin.com/e/-guplyd-h05sfzre-19/uSTdRBL8TntbriFQlbXcoPTDk9Qxi…> >>> © 2012, LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct. Mountain View, CA 94043, >>> USA >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > -- > Eric Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

March 23, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

by Eric Martin

It was sent to the wlug mailing list. My guess is somebody gave their address book to LinkedIn, the same thing happened with Facebook a few years back, IIRC (or was that on another mailing list?) On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:33 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Noooo! > > Did anyone else from WLUG receive this? If so, let's fix it. > > Please don't use the private WLUG mailing list contact info for > invitations to social sites! > > Al, please delete me from your Contacts immediately. > > WLUG: maybe some kind of Privacy statement should be posted on the WLUG > website (link on main page). I looked for some statement about how the > mailing list contacts should be private, but found none. Private mailing > lists are not for mining. > > Wrong, bad, no, please, no. My contact is not to be shared, not at any > time, for any reason. > > Thanks, > Liz J > > If what you are getting online is for free, you are not the customer, you > are the product. -Jonathan Zittrain, professor of Internet law (b. 1969) > > On 23 March 2012 18:14, Al Butler <albutlerjr(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> [image: LinkedIn] >> >> >> >> [image: Al Butler] >> >> *From Al Butler* >> >> Information Technology and Services Professional >> Greater Boston Area >> >> >> >> >> I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. >> >> - Al >> >> >> >> Confirm that you know Al<https://www.linkedin.com/e/-guplyd-h05sfzre-19/isd/6412973860/N4Pmccpb/?hs=…> >> >> >> >> You are receiving Invitation to Connect emails. Unsubscribe<http://www.linkedin.com/e/-guplyd-h05sfzre-19/uSTdRBL8TntbriFQlbXcoPTDk9Qxi…> >> © 2012, LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct. Mountain View, CA 94043, >> USA >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- Eric Martin

March 23, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

by E Johnson

Noooo! Did anyone else from WLUG receive this? If so, let's fix it. Please don't use the private WLUG mailing list contact info for invitations to social sites! Al, please delete me from your Contacts immediately. WLUG: maybe some kind of Privacy statement should be posted on the WLUG website (link on main page). I looked for some statement about how the mailing list contacts should be private, but found none. Private mailing lists are not for mining. Wrong, bad, no, please, no. My contact is not to be shared, not at any time, for any reason. Thanks, Liz J If what you are getting online is for free, you are not the customer, you are the product. -Jonathan Zittrain, professor of Internet law (b. 1969) On 23 March 2012 18:14, Al Butler <albutlerjr(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > [image: LinkedIn] > > > > [image: Al Butler] > > *From Al Butler* > > Information Technology and Services Professional > Greater Boston Area > > > > > I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. > > - Al > > > > Confirm that you know Al<https://www.linkedin.com/e/-guplyd-h05sfzre-19/isd/6412973860/N4Pmccpb/?hs=…> > > > > You are receiving Invitation to Connect emails. Unsubscribe<http://www.linkedin.com/e/-guplyd-h05sfzre-19/uSTdRBL8TntbriFQlbXcoPTDk9Qxi…> > © 2012, LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct. Mountain View, CA 94043, > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

March 23, 2012

Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

by Al Butler

LinkedIn ------------ I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Al Al Butler Information Technology and Services Professional Greater Boston Area Confirm that you know Al Butler: https://www.linkedin.com/e/-guplyd-h05sfzre-19/isd/6412973860/N4Pmccpb/?hs=… -- You are receiving Invitation to Connect emails. Click to unsubscribe: http://www.linkedin.com/e/-guplyd-h05sfzre-19/uSTdRBL8TntbriFQlbXcoPTDk9Qxi… (c) 2012 LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct, Mountain View, CA 94043, USA.

March 23, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Using Meetup

by Chuck Anderson

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:09:47AM -0500, Keith Wright wrote: > > From: Henrique <nican(a)WPI.EDU> > > I recommend WLUG also create a meetup group for attracting new > > members. Also Meetup is nice for sending out reminder emails about > > the meetings on the day before. > > WLUG has a mailing list, and I get mail from it regularly. > > It works. > > I am violently, foaming mad, opposed to the idea of > giving that mailing list to any third party. That isn't how meetup works. People who desire to be a part of the meetup group would sign themselves up, just as they sign themselves up for this mailing list. There are no plans to retire this mailing list.

March 22, 2012