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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by Doug Chamberlin

On 5/19/2010 2:02 PM, Adam Gomes wrote: > I too retain a fondness for VMS. Which is why, even though I had > Debian running on my VaxStation 3100, I still went back to OpenVMS > (despite the need to buy an annual software license). Yes, VMS rocked. Best OS ever, IMO. Based on energy inefficiency alone I just cannot justify firing up one of these machines to run it. I sure wish HP would stop with the Itanium-only strategy and come out with a version running on AMD-64 chips! I'd get a hobbiest license if they did that. -- Doug C. ----- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by Adam Gomes

I too retain a fondness for VMS. Which is why, even though I had Debian running on my VaxStation 3100, I still went back to OpenVMS (despite the need to buy an annual software license). On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:28 PM, David Hardy <belovedbold357(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I don't have any old DEC equipment anymore, but I started my so-called IT > career on a PDP-11 out in gorgeous Gardner, MA back in 1986. It ran RSX for > an engineering CAD/CAM shop and we also had a VAX 780 running VMS 3.5. Last > version of VMS I've worked with was 7.1, right here in Wormtown. I love > Linux but I have to say I also was in love with VMS. > > Rumor had it, back in '89, that there was a field somewhere off Route 12 in > Leominster, where DEC had dumped loads and loads of equipment, including > computers, printers, cables, you-name-it. One of my operators when I was a > sys admin at DEC Marlborough at that time had his front yard filled with > that stuff, and the weather allegedly had no effect on any of it. > > I would imagine by now that the field, if it ever existed, is now a condo > development or a semi-abandoned strip mall. > > Cheers from South Woostuh! > > > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Send Wlug mailing list submissions to >> wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Ken Jones) >> 2. Re: Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Jorden Mauro) >> 3. Re: Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Doug Chamberlin) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:02:40 -0400 >> From: "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> >> Subject: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC >> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Message-ID: <94F4CAE4ED0C4AC0BB1660AF1C3A9586@kjonespc> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to study >> and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. >> >> I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 dated >> Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my old "lost" >> files. Hurray!! >> >> Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? >> >> Ken Jones >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100518/2c82159f/attachmen… >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:35:45 -0400 >> From: Jorden Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC >> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Cc: "<wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Message-ID: <52DB5519-B9DE-47AE-9DC6-FE7E2899906A(a)gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> On May 18, 2010, at 10:02 PM, "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: >> >> > I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to >> > study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. >> > >> > I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 >> > dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my >> > old "lost" files. Hurray!! >> > >> > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? >> >> 'fraid even the computer history museum is still looking for parts to >> get one that can boot. >> >> You can run v7 Unix in a special pdp11 VM for old time sake, though. >> It even has a working version of Ken's chess. >> >> If anyone knows PDP assembly, I'd love to see that program ported into >> the 21st century. >> >> > >> > Ken Jones >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ======= >> > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) >> > http://www.pctools.com >> > ======= >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wlug mailing list >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100519/0644a5bb/attachmen… >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:09:12 -0400 >> From: Doug Chamberlin <dougchamberlin(a)earthlink.net> >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC >> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> Message-ID: <4BF3D4E8.9080303(a)earthlink.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> On 5/18/2010 10:02 PM, Ken Jones wrote: >> > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? >> No, but I have two Dec Alpha systems looking for a good home. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100519/9ba9f378/attachmen… >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> End of Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9 >> *********************************** >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by Richard Klein

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:28 PM, David Hardy <belovedbold357(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I don't have any old DEC equipment anymore, but I started my so-called IT > career on a PDP-11 out in gorgeous Gardner, MA back in 1986. It ran RSX for > an engineering CAD/CAM shop and we also had a VAX 780 running VMS 3.5. Last > version of VMS I've worked with was 7.1, right here in Wormtown. I love > Linux but I have to say I also was in love with VMS. > Rumor had it, back in '89, that there was a field somewhere off Route 12 in > Leominster, where DEC had dumped loads and loads of equipment, including > computers, printers, cables, you-name-it. One of my operators when I was a > sys admin at DEC Marlborough at that time had his front yard filled with > that stuff, and the weather allegedly had no effect on any of it. > I would imagine by now that the field, if it ever existed, is now a condo > development or a semi-abandoned strip mall. > Cheers from South Woostuh! I think DEC had a big facility along route 70 in Lancaster (near route 2) that was sold to Mass. Youth Soccer. That's right near Leominster. -- Rich

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by David Hardy

I don't have any old DEC equipment anymore, but I started my so-called IT career on a PDP-11 out in gorgeous Gardner, MA back in 1986. It ran RSX for an engineering CAD/CAM shop and we also had a VAX 780 running VMS 3.5. Last version of VMS I've worked with was 7.1, right here in Wormtown. I love Linux but I have to say I also was in love with VMS. Rumor had it, back in '89, that there was a field somewhere off Route 12 in Leominster, where DEC had dumped loads and loads of equipment, including computers, printers, cables, you-name-it. One of my operators when I was a sys admin at DEC Marlborough at that time had his front yard filled with that stuff, and the weather allegedly had no effect on any of it. I would imagine by now that the field, if it ever existed, is now a condo development or a semi-abandoned strip mall. Cheers from South Woostuh! On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Ken Jones) > 2. Re: Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Jorden Mauro) > 3. Re: Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Doug Chamberlin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:02:40 -0400 > From: "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> > Subject: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC > To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <94F4CAE4ED0C4AC0BB1660AF1C3A9586@kjonespc> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to study > and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. > > I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 dated Jan > 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my old "lost" files. > Hurray!! > > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? > > Ken Jones > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100518/2c82159f/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:35:45 -0400 > From: Jorden Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Cc: "<wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <52DB5519-B9DE-47AE-9DC6-FE7E2899906A(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On May 18, 2010, at 10:02 PM, "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > > > I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to > > study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. > > > > I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 > > dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my > > old "lost" files. Hurray!! > > > > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? > > 'fraid even the computer history museum is still looking for parts to > get one that can boot. > > You can run v7 Unix in a special pdp11 VM for old time sake, though. > It even has a working version of Ken's chess. > > If anyone knows PDP assembly, I'd love to see that program ported into > the 21st century. > > > > > Ken Jones > > > > > > > > > > > > ======= > > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) > > http://www.pctools.com > > ======= > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100519/0644a5bb/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:09:12 -0400 > From: Doug Chamberlin <dougchamberlin(a)earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <4BF3D4E8.9080303(a)earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On 5/18/2010 10:02 PM, Ken Jones wrote: > > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? > No, but I have two Dec Alpha systems looking for a good home. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100519/9ba9f378/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9 > *********************************** >

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC

by Doug Chamberlin

On 5/18/2010 10:02 PM, Ken Jones wrote: > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? No, but I have two Dec Alpha systems looking for a good home.

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC

by Jorden Mauro

On May 18, 2010, at 10:02 PM, "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to > study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. > > I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 > dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my > old "lost" files. Hurray!! > > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? 'fraid even the computer history museum is still looking for parts to get one that can boot. You can run v7 Unix in a special pdp11 VM for old time sake, though. It even has a working version of Ken's chess. If anyone knows PDP assembly, I'd love to see that program ported into the 21st century. > > Ken Jones > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) > http://www.pctools.com > ======= > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 19, 2010

Success - antique linux on antique SPARC

by Ken Jones

I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my old "lost" files. Hurray!! Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? Ken Jones ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] OMG this thing was expensive

by William Smith

Note to self: Don't drink coffee at laptop when reading messages like these... :\ On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Mike Peckar <fog(a)fognet.com> wrote: > This sparked my curiosity, so I looked up the original list price for the HP > 9000 J210 running HPUX someone on this list gave me nearly 10 years ago (and > I still use occasionally). I found specs for a similar unit that had half as > much disk (2GB), only one 120MHZ CPU vs. the 2 on mine and 1/4 the RAM > (64MB)... That beast listed for $85,380 in 1996. > > Wow indeed. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Bill Smith Fall River, MA

May 15, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Progress - hardware issues...

by Chuck Anderson

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 05:00:28PM -0400, Ken Jones wrote: > I used to run Aurora, but the old mirror sights seem to have disappeared. I > have my old five CD aurora disc set, but the CD drive coughs it out when I > try to boot to it. Aurora has become part of the Fedora "secondary architectures" project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/SPARC

May 13, 2010

Progress - hardware issues...

by Ken Jones

Again, Thank you all for being there. My SUN ULTRA 1 Creator had some hardware problems. Its CDROM reader was intermittent. That explained the problem getting GENTOO liveCD disks to work. Now, I have three GENTOO liveCD's. They all boot. ------------------------ One has a printed label. I must have gotten in by snail mail. The label says: GENTOO Linux/2004/sparc64/CD1 Sparc64 Installation Disc 'uname' says it is: liveCD 2.4-gentoo-r2 (I think) Inside is documentation. The most recent date is July 2004. ----------------------------- install-sparc64-minimal-2006.1.iso 'uname' says it is: liveCD 2.6.17-gentoo-r5 ----------------------------- install-sparc64-universal-2006.1.iso 'uname' says it too is: liveCD 2.6.17-gentoo-r5 ----------------------------- I fail to see the difference between the minimal and the universal versions once they are installed. I want a 'real' installation. Not one running off my cdrom drive. I thought that somehow these minimal and universal versions would show me the way. I used to run Aurora, but the old mirror sights seem to have disappeared. I have my old five CD aurora disc set, but the CD drive coughs it out when I try to boot to it. I have saved the files on that hard drive that I had been using as a server. I would like to get the ULTRA running GNOME or KDE, but I am getting a bit lost. A suggestion would be appreciated. Ken

May 13, 2010