April 2009 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

Re: [Wlug] WPI Exchange Help

by Eric Stein

At one point, the UNIX/Exchange battle that goes on between the two servers was so screwed up that all my email was showing up as literal forwards from me to me in my UNIX inbox. I raged at the helpdesk until they accepted that I did not now, nor did I ever want, to even have an exchange account. It took some fighting but I got them to delete my exchange account completely, and my UNIX mail has worked fine ever since. Eric Kurt Snieckus wrote: > On the WPI mail system mail first goes to the unix mail servers, and > then gets forwarded to exchange. If you want you can keep the mail > from being forwarded to exchange by changing the forwarding settings > here: http://www.wpi.edu/Academics/CCC/Services/mailforward.html I > forget exactly what I did, but it didn't work quite right, beacuse > mail sent from other user's exchange accounts went to the exchange > account instead of staying in the unix account. But if you e-mail the > Helpdesk they can fix it for you. This then lets you use imap.wpi.edu > <http://imap.wpi.edu>, pop.wpi.edu <http://pop.wpi.edu>, and > webmail.wpi.edu/squirrelmail <http://webmail.wpi.edu/squirrelmail> > (And i think you can just login to ccc.wpi.edu <http://ccc.wpi.edu> > and type pine and read your mail as well) > If you'd like in-person help the Free Software Association tries to > have meetings at 6pm on Tuesdays in the lounge on the 3rd floor of > Fuller. E-mail owner-fsa(a)wpi.edu <mailto:owner-fsa@wpi.edu> to get > meeting announcements. > -Kurt > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:39 PM, <tedshipper(a)gmail.com > <mailto:tedshipper@gmail.com>> wrote: > > So I'm new to the Linux community and I could use a little help. > I'm trying to setup exchange to work through Evolution Mail on > Ubuntu 8.10. I can't seem to set it up correctly. I feel like i > have all the necessary info like the OWA URL, which I think is > https://exchange.wpi.edu/owa/ . Please advise as to whether I need > to specify the DOMAIN\User which doesn't work or if there is a > better client for setting up exchange at WPI. > Thanks, > > Ship > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 8, 2009

Re: [Wlug] WPI Exchange Help

by Kurt Snieckus

On the WPI mail system mail first goes to the unix mail servers, and then gets forwarded to exchange. If you want you can keep the mail from being forwarded to exchange by changing the forwarding settings here: http://www.wpi.edu/Academics/CCC/Services/mailforward.html I forget exactly what I did, but it didn't work quite right, beacuse mail sent from other user's exchange accounts went to the exchange account instead of staying in the unix account. But if you e-mail the Helpdesk they can fix it for you. This then lets you use imap.wpi.edu, pop.wpi.edu, and webmail.wpi.edu/squirrelmail (And i think you can just login to ccc.wpi.eduand type pine and read your mail as well) If you'd like in-person help the Free Software Association tries to have meetings at 6pm on Tuesdays in the lounge on the 3rd floor of Fuller. E-mail owner-fsa(a)wpi.edu to get meeting announcements. -Kurt On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:39 PM, <tedshipper(a)gmail.com> wrote: > So I'm new to the Linux community and I could use a little help. I'm trying > to setup exchange to work through Evolution Mail on Ubuntu 8.10. I can't > seem to set it up correctly. I feel like i have all the necessary info like > the OWA URL, which I think is https://exchange.wpi.edu/owa/ . Please > advise as to whether I need to specify the DOMAIN\User which doesn't work or > if there is a better client for setting up exchange at WPI. > Thanks, > > Ship > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

April 8, 2009

WPI Exchange Help

by tedshipper＠gmail.com

So I'm new to the Linux community and I could use a little help. I'm trying to setup exchange to work through Evolution Mail on Ubuntu 8.10. I can't seem to set it up correctly. I feel like i have all the necessary info like the OWA URL, which I think is https://exchange.wpi.edu/owa/ . Please advise as to whether I need to specify the DOMAIN\User which doesn't work or if there is a better client for setting up exchange at WPI. Thanks, Ship

April 8, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by Keith Wright

> From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> > > >> From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> > >> > >> An urge to 'Let's tinker' is both a good and bad > >> thing for a SysAdmin to have. > > Keith> Did he say he was a studly-cap SysAdmin? > > Did I? And ok, I'll just spell it out. Systems Administrator. > Happy now? (NB: the word "he" when I wrote it refered to Alexander. The word "I" when John writes it refers to John. Whether that is a cause or effect of confusion, I am not sure.) "Call no man happy until he is dead." -- Aeschylus, Herodotus, or Solon? With due regard to that perspective, I am happy now, and happy before. I now am quite sure that John is, and Alexander is not, a SysAdmin. That was my guess. > Keith> I missed that. I took him to be talking about > Keith> his own computer. If there aren't too many > Keith> users paying the bills, then the Linux Way is > Keith> to tinker. > > Sure, absolutely. No arguement there. But if you > are doing SysAdmin type work, then IMNSHO it's > pointless to obsess over things like this. No argument there, and none here. My last message was intended to point out that your different context makes the truth you chose to express less relevant to Alexander's obsession. -- Keith PS: I just thought of "Damn Small Linux". I know nothing about it, but it might be a good phrase for the tight-code-obsessed to Google.

April 7, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by John Stoffel

>> From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> >> >> An urge to 'Let's tinker' is both a good and bad >> thing for a SysAdmin to have. Keith> Did he say he was a studly-cap SysAdmin? Did I? And ok, I'll just spell it out. Systems Administrator. Happy now? Keith> I missed that. I took him to be talking about his own Keith> computer. If there aren't too many users paying the bills, Keith> then the Linux Way is to tinker. Sure, absolutely. No arguement there. But if you are doing SysAdmin type work, then IMNSHO it's pointless to obsess over things like this. >> ... I don't think you're going to find one >> that makes you happy. Keith> Maybe not one distribution, but maybe one or another package Keith> manager will look good. Learn to build your own package. I am Keith> not too familiar with all of them, but RPM builds packages from Keith> pristine source and then you can install from the package Keith> without the source, but you can always get the source version. I've done some work with RPM and .deb packages and both have learning curves. Not terrible, but curves none-the-less. And it's a good learning experience because it shows you all the details you do need to look out for when packaging something to be easily installed, upgraded and de-installed. 90% of all code is bounds and error checking. :] Which is boring and not fun to write and test, but vital for a successful package. Keith> The package is at its core a way to keep track of what you did Keith> to build it. You start Linux from Scratch, but when it comes Keith> time to put it on new hardware, you don't start over from Keith> scratch. >> The urge to cleanup is nice, but counter productive >> unless your on an embedded device which can't handle >> all the excess libraries. Keith> I will refrain from waxing on making and cleaning of messes, Keith> bloat, and the cause of all our grievances. You mistake my arguements. I'm not arguing that bloat is good, I'm arguing that trying to compulsively shrink a system might not be a good use of time/resources. But it depends. Keith> The more package builders had Alexander's attitude the fewer Keith> SysAdmins would have Alexander's problem. Well, it's also GUI toolkits, GUI designers who can't/won't pack information into a smaller display area, etc. I don't have the time to writeup a diatrabe here, so I'll just drop it now. :] John

April 7, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by John Stoffel

>> I've been using 'apt-get --purge autoremove' to cleanup stuff like >> that. Pretty darn simple. Alexander> Perhaps I've a compulsion ... I'm always taking that the Alexander> next step ... "lets see what else we can remove" .... I understand the urge, I've certainly had it myself at times. Not as much now with disk space cheap and my time more expensive (and wanting to spend it on other projects/time-sinks). Since I am a prof sysadmin, that colors my outlook here. :] >> Why? Why do you care? Are you short on disk space? Or just >> compulsivley anal about knowing why a library is on there? *grin* Alexander> Again - compulsive ? perhaps instead of wlug I should see a Alexander> shrink... Nah, just go and have fun and don't let me stop you. You might want to look at Slackware, or maybe one of the other uber-lite distros out there. The big way to get rid of stuff is to get rid of X and all the GUI stuff. Then you'll see real savings. John

April 7, 2009

Re: [Wlug] gl over ssh

by Mike Frysinger

On Monday 06 April 2009 12:24:03 John Stoffel wrote: > Have you tried using the 'nxserver' instead? I've been playing with > it a bit, and it's not blindingly fast at points, but it does seem to > support better OpenGL over the WAN/LAN than X does at time, esp VNC. problem with nxserver is there isnt an open source replacement for every component in the stack. i dont say this because i hate closed source, but rather it makes working across platforms a real pita (OS / architectures). i ended up switching to ssvnc as it nicely integrates ssh and/or ssl into the process. install ssvnc on your client and x11vnc on your server and you're golden. the performance is the best ive seen so far, but that is compared to X forwarding and other VNC clients ... not NX. -mike

April 6, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by Keith Wright

> From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> > > An urge to 'Let's tinker' is both a good and bad > thing for a SysAdmin to have. Did he say he was a studly-cap SysAdmin? I missed that. I took him to be talking about his own computer. If there aren't too many users paying the bills, then the Linux Way is to tinker. > ... I don't think you're going to find one > that makes you happy. Maybe not one distribution, but maybe one or another package manager will look good. Learn to build your own package. I am not too familiar with all of them, but RPM builds packages from pristine source and then you can install from the package without the source, but you can always get the source version. The package is at its core a way to keep track of what you did to build it. You start Linux from Scratch, but when it comes time to put it on new hardware, you don't start over from scratch. > The urge to cleanup is nice, but counter productive > unless your on an embedded device which can't handle > all the excess libraries. I will refrain from waxing on making and cleaning of messes, bloat, and the cause of all our grievances. The more package builders had Alexander's attitude the fewer SysAdmins would have Alexander's problem. > It's not an easy battle to solve. < Insert here a classical quote. Don Quixote? Henry IV? Sun Tze?> -- Keith

April 6, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by James Gray

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Alexander Haley <ahaley(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: >> Did he say he was a studly-cap SysAdmin? > no - just my own machine I can afford to muck about with > > Thanks for everyone input ... Hey Alex, you've got the skills, time and determination to maintain your system manually. I for one can't find a problem with that. I'd like to try LFS at some point when I have a bit more of the 3 traits I mention above. :-)

April 6, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by Alexander Haley

> Did he say he was a studly-cap SysAdmin? no - just my own machine I can afford to muck about with Thanks for everyone input ...

April 6, 2009