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Re: [Wlug] tux's new prison

by Richard Klein

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Suffering from "temporary" (winter) shrinkage, > Tux looks a bit worried in his "new" computer room..... > OK so he's homeless and I merely bought him a bottle and > a limited air supply with the other derelicts in my man-cave... > > ( ! warning, no disturbing images, 3 boring pix at.... ) > > http://dmildram.jalbum.net/Server+DesktopClutter/index.html Looks like Twisted Pair was playing at Sir Morgan's Cove. :-) -- Rich Sent from: Belmont Massachusetts United States.

Feb. 14, 2009

tux's new prison

by Doug Mildram

Suffering from "temporary" (winter) shrinkage, Tux looks a bit worried in his "new" computer room..... OK so he's homeless and I merely bought him a bottle and a limited air supply with the other derelicts in my man-cave... ( ! warning, no disturbing images, 3 boring pix at.... ) http://dmildram.jalbum.net/Server+DesktopClutter/index.html

Feb. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Lenovo S10 Netbook

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> writes: Mike> not odd, no....but i have nothing else to do with this netbook Mike> so I thought I'd try and tweak the heck out of it! Go for it! I'm tempted to get a netbook at some point... but since work gives me a laptop, it's not a huge rush. Though it's possibly something my wife could use for her work... while keeping her main machine downstairs for photo editing, etc. John

Feb. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Lenovo S10 Netbook

by Mike Leo

not odd, no....but i have nothing else to do with this netbook so I thought I'd try and tweak the heck out of it! ________________________________ From: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 9:00:51 AM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Lenovo S10 Netbook Eric> Maybe I'm odd, but boot time is almost completely unimportant to Eric> me.I never reboot my desktop and my laptop goes on suspend 49 Eric> times out of 50. It's impressive that they have boot time that Eric> low now though. I don't think you're odd at all. Like you say, I don't reboot my desktop that oftern, and I reboot my main home file server even less often. My work laptop is WinXP (soon to be Vista... sigh) and while it suspends ok, the hardest part is the wait for the wireless network to come back up. :] But, on the other hand, I can understand wanting to have a quicker bootup time, since turning the system *off* saves more power than suspending, and suspending is still a black art. Every week or so my WinXP box loses it's mind and I have to reboot no matter what. It's not simple. Cheers, John _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Lenovo S10 Netbook

by John Stoffel

Eric> Maybe I'm odd, but boot time is almost completely unimportant to Eric> me.I never reboot my desktop and my laptop goes on suspend 49 Eric> times out of 50. It's impressive that they have boot time that Eric> low now though. I don't think you're odd at all. Like you say, I don't reboot my desktop that oftern, and I reboot my main home file server even less often. My work laptop is WinXP (soon to be Vista... sigh) and while it suspends ok, the hardest part is the wait for the wireless network to come back up. :] But, on the other hand, I can understand wanting to have a quicker bootup time, since turning the system *off* saves more power than suspending, and suspending is still a black art. Every week or so my WinXP box loses it's mind and I have to reboot no matter what. It's not simple. Cheers, John

Feb. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Lenovo S10 Netbook

by Eric Stein

Maybe I'm odd, but boot time is almost completely unimportant to me.I never reboot my desktop and my laptop goes on suspend 49 times out of 50. It's impressive that they have boot time that low now though. Eric John Stoffel wrote: > Mike> all good info. > > Thanks. > > Mike> bootchart doesn't seem to work at all for me. I apt-get install > Mike> it which is fine but it configures itself to use > Mike> /sbin/bootchartd which doesn't get installed. Kind'a weird. > Mike> Maybe i'm missing something. > > Possibly. I haven't tried it out myself yet. My new box works just > fine and boots quickly, the memory test in BIOS is the longest part. > > Mike> Moblin is not debian based so I know I'd miss my apt, but I'll > Mike> give it a shot at some point I'm sure. > > Yeah, I hate yum myself, it's so slow esp after using apt for a > while. :] But it's tempting. I think they've got a system booting > in under 10 second. > > But as you say, if it's not apt, then I'll probably just stay away... > > John

Feb. 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Lenovo S10 Netbook

by John Stoffel

Mike> all good info. Thanks. Mike> bootchart doesn't seem to work at all for me. I apt-get install Mike> it which is fine but it configures itself to use Mike> /sbin/bootchartd which doesn't get installed. Kind'a weird. Mike> Maybe i'm missing something. Possibly. I haven't tried it out myself yet. My new box works just fine and boots quickly, the memory test in BIOS is the longest part. Mike> Moblin is not debian based so I know I'd miss my apt, but I'll Mike> give it a shot at some point I'm sure. Yeah, I hate yum myself, it's so slow esp after using apt for a while. :] But it's tempting. I think they've got a system booting in under 10 second. But as you say, if it's not apt, then I'll probably just stay away... John Mike> ________________________________ Mike> From: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> Mike> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Mike> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:14:21 AM Mike> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Lenovo S10 Netbook >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> writes: Mike> Short of compiling my own kernel (which I never can seem to do Mike> right), any other advise on how to speed up a netbook's boot Mike> time? Mike> I suspect that your boot time is spent in udev and module loading Mike> stuff. There's a bunch of work in the linux kernel with a tool called Mike> 'bootchart' which tracks how stuff boots up. Mike> With 8.10, it's trivial to drop in a new kernel. Also, if you compile Mike> in all the modules your need on bootup, and minimize the modules you Mike> have otherwise (say for USB devices, etc) then you should see a speed Mike> up. Mike> Do an 'lsmod' and see which modules you have loaded. Then go and grab Mike> the latest linux kernel (2.6.29-rc4 say...) and compile it using the Mike> *exact* same config from your 8.10 kernel. Mike> Test it out, using the 'mkinitrd' script to rebuild your initrd for Mike> loading. Update grub with the new info and reboot. See if it's Mike> faster. And if it boots properly Mike> If it does, then go back into the config under the new kernel and Mike> start moving more stuff into the kernel image, and putting less stuff Mike> into modules. Rebuild and boot. See how it goes. Mike> Also, I'd go through and see which software packages are installed and Mike> starting up daemons and I'd nuke as many of them as you can. Maybe Mike> ntpd doesn't need to run, or avahi or some other funky stuff. Like Mike> bluez, etc. Mike> It's hard to say what will and won't work, but getting the kernel and Mike> device initialization to be as parallel as possible will help boot Mike> times. Also, check out the 'moblin' project from Intel, they've been Mike> working on making netbooks boot faster too. Mike> John Mike> _______________________________________________ Mike> Wlug mailing list Mike> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Mike> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Mike> _______________________________________________ Mike> Wlug mailing list Mike> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Mike> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Lenovo S10 Netbook

by Mike Leo

holy penguins!! my average boot time with various forms of ubuntu on disk or USB thumb drive is about 1 minute. Moblin is 30 seconds!! I'm impressed now.

Feb. 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Lenovo S10 Netbook

by Mike Leo

all good info. bootchart doesn't seem to work at all for me. I apt-get install it which is fine but it configures itself to use /sbin/bootchartd which doesn't get installed. Kind'a weird. Maybe i'm missing something. Moblin is not debian based so I know I'd miss my apt, but I'll give it a shot at some point I'm sure. ________________________________ From: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:14:21 AM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Lenovo S10 Netbook >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> writes: Mike> Short of compiling my own kernel (which I never can seem to do Mike> right), any other advise on how to speed up a netbook's boot Mike> time? I suspect that your boot time is spent in udev and module loading stuff. There's a bunch of work in the linux kernel with a tool called 'bootchart' which tracks how stuff boots up. With 8.10, it's trivial to drop in a new kernel. Also, if you compile in all the modules your need on bootup, and minimize the modules you have otherwise (say for USB devices, etc) then you should see a speed up. Do an 'lsmod' and see which modules you have loaded. Then go and grab the latest linux kernel (2.6.29-rc4 say...) and compile it using the *exact* same config from your 8.10 kernel. Test it out, using the 'mkinitrd' script to rebuild your initrd for loading. Update grub with the new info and reboot. See if it's faster. And if it boots properly If it does, then go back into the config under the new kernel and start moving more stuff into the kernel image, and putting less stuff into modules. Rebuild and boot. See how it goes. Also, I'd go through and see which software packages are installed and starting up daemons and I'd nuke as many of them as you can. Maybe ntpd doesn't need to run, or avahi or some other funky stuff. Like bluez, etc. It's hard to say what will and won't work, but getting the kernel and device initialization to be as parallel as possible will help boot times. Also, check out the 'moblin' project from Intel, they've been working on making netbooks boot faster too. John _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Lenovo S10 Netbook

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> writes: Mike> Short of compiling my own kernel (which I never can seem to do Mike> right), any other advise on how to speed up a netbook's boot Mike> time? I suspect that your boot time is spent in udev and module loading stuff. There's a bunch of work in the linux kernel with a tool called 'bootchart' which tracks how stuff boots up. With 8.10, it's trivial to drop in a new kernel. Also, if you compile in all the modules your need on bootup, and minimize the modules you have otherwise (say for USB devices, etc) then you should see a speed up. Do an 'lsmod' and see which modules you have loaded. Then go and grab the latest linux kernel (2.6.29-rc4 say...) and compile it using the *exact* same config from your 8.10 kernel. Test it out, using the 'mkinitrd' script to rebuild your initrd for loading. Update grub with the new info and reboot. See if it's faster. And if it boots properly If it does, then go back into the config under the new kernel and start moving more stuff into the kernel image, and putting less stuff into modules. Rebuild and boot. See how it goes. Also, I'd go through and see which software packages are installed and starting up daemons and I'd nuke as many of them as you can. Maybe ntpd doesn't need to run, or avahi or some other funky stuff. Like bluez, etc. It's hard to say what will and won't work, but getting the kernel and device initialization to be as parallel as possible will help boot times. Also, check out the 'moblin' project from Intel, they've been working on making netbooks boot faster too. John

Feb. 12, 2009