September 2007 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

sshfs + certificate files + fstab?

by Eric Stein

Eric, I remember you mentioned you knew how to use sshfs with certificates for passwordless mounting at the last meeting when we went out for pizza. How was that done? Eric

Sept. 21, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Can Feisty Fawn solve an iPod problem?

by douglas.r.aker＠verizon.com

Thanks Brad for the additional help. Been looking for a new area to explore in the world of Linux. Hmm, "Linux and iPods," interesting... Doug p.s. Being a big fan of the movie "2001, A Space Odyssey," I had to laugh reading the following from the entry for iPod in Wikipedia: The name iPod was proposed by Vinnie Chieco, a freelance copywriter, who (with others) was called by Apple to figure out how to introduce the new player to the public. After Chieco saw a prototype, he thought of the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey and the phrase "Open the pod bay door, Hal!", which refers to the white EVA Pods of the Discovery One spaceship. Also movie title, 2001, same as Apple iPod launch date, October, 2001 brad <maitre(a)ccs.neu.edu> Sent by: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org 09/19/2007 06:31 PM Please respond to Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> To Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> cc Subject Re: [Wlug] Can Feisty Fawn solve an iPod problem? Doug, You do not want to copy folders from the ipod. iTunes organizes the ipod directories in a non-trivia manor. I would suggest using banshee or amarok to read the iTunesDB on the ipod. You may need to tell these programs where the ipod is located, e.g. /media/ipod/. You can drag and drop the songs from the ipod to your local machine, note you may need to tell these programs where to copy these files in your home directory. Explore these programs, banshee and amarok, to learn how to use them to get the most out of your ipod. - brad On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:35:24 -0400, douglas.r.aker(a)verizon.com wrote: > Thanks Ben for your input. > > But when you say "copy them over to Vista PC," my question is, Copy what? > When I mount iPod on Linux laptop, I see a complex directory structure > under /media/ipod. Do I copy the Music folder? Do I copy the iTunes > folder? What are the downstream consequences of copying just the Music > folder and *not* the iTunes folder? I could file copy everything under > /media/ipod, move it to Vista, but will it be in a form that iTunes will > recognize? Maybe the procedure looks like: 1) Export songs using gtkpod > on Linux, 2) Import songs using iTunes on Vista. Not sure. > > Doug > > > > > Ben Childs <bchilds(a)WPI.EDU> > Sent by: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > 09/19/2007 12:06 PM > Please respond to > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > To > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > cc > > Subject > Re: [Wlug] Can Feisty Fawn solve an iPod problem? > > > > > > > In the worst case, once you have the 350 songs off the Ipod, you > could just copy them over to the vista pc and then itunes on the > vista pc will take care of the rest... > > -Ben Childs > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 20, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Can Feisty Fawn solve an iPod problem?

by brad

Doug, You do not want to copy folders from the ipod. iTunes organizes the ipod directories in a non-trivia manor. I would suggest using banshee or amarok to read the iTunesDB on the ipod. You may need to tell these programs where the ipod is located, e.g. /media/ipod/. You can drag and drop the songs from the ipod to your local machine, note you may need to tell these programs where to copy these files in your home directory. Explore these programs, banshee and amarok, to learn how to use them to get the most out of your ipod. - brad On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:35:24 -0400, douglas.r.aker(a)verizon.com wrote: > Thanks Ben for your input. > > But when you say "copy them over to Vista PC," my question is, Copy what? > When I mount iPod on Linux laptop, I see a complex directory structure > under /media/ipod. Do I copy the Music folder? Do I copy the iTunes > folder? What are the downstream consequences of copying just the Music > folder and *not* the iTunes folder? I could file copy everything under > /media/ipod, move it to Vista, but will it be in a form that iTunes will > recognize? Maybe the procedure looks like: 1) Export songs using gtkpod > on Linux, 2) Import songs using iTunes on Vista. Not sure. > > Doug > > > > > Ben Childs <bchilds(a)WPI.EDU> > Sent by: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > 09/19/2007 12:06 PM > Please respond to > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > To > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > cc > > Subject > Re: [Wlug] Can Feisty Fawn solve an iPod problem? > > > > > > > In the worst case, once you have the 350 songs off the Ipod, you > could just copy them over to the vista pc and then itunes on the > vista pc will take care of the rest... > > -Ben Childs > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Can Feisty Fawn solve an iPod problem?

by douglas.r.aker＠verizon.com

Thanks Ben for your input. But when you say "copy them over to Vista PC," my question is, Copy what? When I mount iPod on Linux laptop, I see a complex directory structure under /media/ipod. Do I copy the Music folder? Do I copy the iTunes folder? What are the downstream consequences of copying just the Music folder and *not* the iTunes folder? I could file copy everything under /media/ipod, move it to Vista, but will it be in a form that iTunes will recognize? Maybe the procedure looks like: 1) Export songs using gtkpod on Linux, 2) Import songs using iTunes on Vista. Not sure. Doug Ben Childs <bchilds(a)WPI.EDU> Sent by: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org 09/19/2007 12:06 PM Please respond to Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> To wlug(a)mail.wlug.org cc Subject Re: [Wlug] Can Feisty Fawn solve an iPod problem? In the worst case, once you have the 350 songs off the Ipod, you could just copy them over to the vista pc and then itunes on the vista pc will take care of the rest... -Ben Childs _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Can Feisty Fawn solve an iPod problem?

by Ben Childs

In the worst case, once you have the 350 songs off the Ipod, you could just copy them over to the vista pc and then itunes on the vista pc will take care of the rest... -Ben Childs

Sept. 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Can Feisty Fawn solve an iPod problem?

by brad

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:57:38 -0400, douglas.r.aker(a)verizon.com wrote: > Thanks Brad for the info. Yes, it's an HFS+ formatted iPod, and hence my > problem. I'll try the "touch test" test you suggest. I have a feeling > though, I may be out of luck. > My ipod is formatted as hfs+ and i can use it on linux. however i needed to disable the journal feature; that can only be done from within OS X. To do so plug your ipod into OS X and run diskutil -disableJournal <ipod_mount_point>. Although if you plan to reformat the ipod for visit, the format of the ipod will change from HFS+ to vfat, linux has fill read/write support for vfat; so writing to the ipod after you format for visita will not be a problem. - brad

Sept. 18, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Can Feisty Fawn solve an iPod problem?

by brad

> Thanks Brad for the info. Yes, it's an HFS+ formatted iPod, and hence my > problem. I'll try the "touch test" test you suggest. I have a feeling > though, I may be out of luck. > My ipod is formatted as hfs+ and i can use it on linux. however i needed to disable the journal feature; that can only be done from within OS X. To do so plug your ipod into OS X and run diskutil -disableJournal <ipod_mount_point>. Although if you plan to reformat the ipod for visit, the format of the ipod will change from HFS+ to vfat, linux has fill read/write support for vfat; so writing to the ipod after you format for visita will not be a problem - brad

Sept. 18, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Can Feisty Fawn solve an iPod problem?

by douglas.r.aker＠verizon.com

Thanks Brad for the info. Yes, it's an HFS+ formatted iPod, and hence my problem. I'll try the "touch test" test you suggest. I have a feeling though, I may be out of luck. Doug brad <maitre(a)ccs.neu.edu> Sent by: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org 09/18/2007 10:24 AM Please respond to Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> To Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> cc Subject Re: [Wlug] Can Feisty Fawn solve an iPod problem? On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:00:35 -0400, douglas.r.aker(a)verizon.com wrote: > Is anyone in the group using gtkpod (iPod GUI) on Ubuntu 6.06 or 7.04? > I use amarok to sync my ipod, but i have used gtkpod in the past. > I installed the gtkpod package yesterday on Ubuntu 6.06 and hooked up my > son Dan's iPod Nano using its USB cable. The iPod icon appeared on > desktop automatically. I checked, using mount command, to see if > /media/ipod was mounted read-write, and it appeared to be. I started > gtkpod and was able to completely read the contents of the iPod, all 350+ > songs. So far, so good. But, when I tried, as an experiment, to create a > new playlist using gtkpod, and write that change onto the iPod, I got > several error messages about write failures due to a read-only filesystem. > > Anyone had a similar experience? Any fix or workaround out there? > I have had similar experiences using HFS+ (apple's filesystem) formated ipods. What is the format of your ipod? When you plugin your ipod look at the output of dmesg. Sometimes you'll see a message telling you that it's mounting the filesystem as readonly. If the filesystem is HFS+ then you will need to disable journaling on the filesystem in order to write back to the ipod. As far as i know this can only be done from OS X. Since i have run into this problem many times before, i always try to write to the ipod using a terminal. Simply, 'cd /media/ipod', then 'touch test'. This will try to create an empty file on the ipod. If you get filesystem errors then the ipod is likely mounted read-only. > I'm > considering either finding another open source iPod utility, something > other than gtkpod, or upgrading to Ubuntu 7.04. > I believe most (if not all) open source utils use the same underlying library, libgpod. If you are seeing filesystem errors changing utils will likely not help you. > My ultimate goal is to 1) Transfer all the songs from the iPod to the > Ubuntu laptop, > This should be possible even if the filesystem is read-only. > 2) Reformat the iPod for use with iTunes running under > Vista, > Also, this should be easy to do. If you plugin the ipod to a windows machine that doesn't recognize the ipod's library, it will ask you if you want to reformat it. > 3) Transfer all the songs from Ubuntu back to the iPod. I think I > can do steps 1 and 2, but so far, step 3 is a problem. And until I'm 100% > confident that I can write all Dan's songs *back* onto his iPod, I won't > try reformatting it. > Please check what filesystem that currently resides on the ipod. I have done all these steps before several times. > Why, you might ask, don't you just use the Apple eBook that originally > wrote (via iTunes) to Dan's iPod? 'Cause that device now sits in my > daughter Abby's dorm room 400 miles West of here (R.I.T.). > They can make pretty long USB cables now-a-days. Good luck, - brad _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 18, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Can Feisty Fawn solve an iPod problem?

by brad

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:00:35 -0400, douglas.r.aker(a)verizon.com wrote: > Is anyone in the group using gtkpod (iPod GUI) on Ubuntu 6.06 or 7.04? > I use amarok to sync my ipod, but i have used gtkpod in the past. > I installed the gtkpod package yesterday on Ubuntu 6.06 and hooked up my > son Dan's iPod Nano using its USB cable. The iPod icon appeared on > desktop automatically. I checked, using mount command, to see if > /media/ipod was mounted read-write, and it appeared to be. I started > gtkpod and was able to completely read the contents of the iPod, all 350+ > songs. So far, so good. But, when I tried, as an experiment, to create a > new playlist using gtkpod, and write that change onto the iPod, I got > several error messages about write failures due to a read-only filesystem. > > Anyone had a similar experience? Any fix or workaround out there? > I have had similar experiences using HFS+ (apple's filesystem) formated ipods. What is the format of your ipod? When you plugin your ipod look at the output of dmesg. Sometimes you'll see a message telling you that it's mounting the filesystem as readonly. If the filesystem is HFS+ then you will need to disable journaling on the filesystem in order to write back to the ipod. As far as i know this can only be done from OS X. Since i have run into this problem many times before, i always try to write to the ipod using a terminal. Simply, 'cd /media/ipod', then 'touch test'. This will try to create an empty file on the ipod. If you get filesystem errors then the ipod is likely mounted read-only. > I'm > considering either finding another open source iPod utility, something > other than gtkpod, or upgrading to Ubuntu 7.04. > I believe most (if not all) open source utils use the same underlying library, libgpod. If you are seeing filesystem errors changing utils will likely not help you. > My ultimate goal is to 1) Transfer all the songs from the iPod to the > Ubuntu laptop, > This should be possible even if the filesystem is read-only. > 2) Reformat the iPod for use with iTunes running under > Vista, > Also, this should be easy to do. If you plugin the ipod to a windows machine that doesn't recognize the ipod's library, it will ask you if you want to reformat it. > 3) Transfer all the songs from Ubuntu back to the iPod. I think I > can do steps 1 and 2, but so far, step 3 is a problem. And until I'm 100% > confident that I can write all Dan's songs *back* onto his iPod, I won't > try reformatting it. > Please check what filesystem that currently resides on the ipod. I have done all these steps before several times. > Why, you might ask, don't you just use the Apple eBook that originally > wrote (via iTunes) to Dan's iPod? 'Cause that device now sits in my > daughter Abby's dorm room 400 miles West of here (R.I.T.). > They can make pretty long USB cables now-a-days. Good luck, - brad

Sept. 18, 2007

Can Feisty Fawn solve an iPod problem?

by douglas.r.aker＠verizon.com

Is anyone in the group using gtkpod (iPod GUI) on Ubuntu 6.06 or 7.04? I installed the gtkpod package yesterday on Ubuntu 6.06 and hooked up my son Dan's iPod Nano using its USB cable. The iPod icon appeared on desktop automatically. I checked, using mount command, to see if /media/ipod was mounted read-write, and it appeared to be. I started gtkpod and was able to completely read the contents of the iPod, all 350+ songs. So far, so good. But, when I tried, as an experiment, to create a new playlist using gtkpod, and write that change onto the iPod, I got several error messages about write failures due to a read-only filesystem. Anyone had a similar experience? Any fix or workaround out there? I'm considering either finding another open source iPod utility, something other than gtkpod, or upgrading to Ubuntu 7.04. My ultimate goal is to 1) Transfer all the songs from the iPod to the Ubuntu laptop, 2) Reformat the iPod for use with iTunes running under Vista, 3) Transfer all the songs from Ubuntu back to the iPod. I think I can do steps 1 and 2, but so far, step 3 is a problem. And until I'm 100% confident that I can write all Dan's songs *back* onto his iPod, I won't try reformatting it. Why, you might ask, don't you just use the Apple eBook that originally wrote (via iTunes) to Dan's iPod? 'Cause that device now sits in my daughter Abby's dorm room 400 miles West of here (R.I.T.). Thanks, Doug

Sept. 18, 2007