August 2006 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

Re: [Wlug] Cookout...

by Jamie Guinan

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > Great fun! Many thanks to our hosts, Jamie and especially Karen, for > all the great food! We had a great time as well, so glad everyone made it! I passed along your thanks to Karen. <shamelessplug> And don't forget to tune into Karen's new age and acoustic program "Tonal Vision", 6-9pm Sunday evening, 90.5 FM or online at wicn.org </shamelessplug>. > Looking forward to the pictures! ;-) I have a few, I'll post them soon... -Jamie > Steve

Aug. 13, 2006

Re: [Wlug] FUSE??

by Chuck Anderson

On Sun, Aug 13, 2006 at 12:31:45AM -0400, Eric Stein wrote: > eastein@pippin:~/Desktop$ sshfs -d ccc.wpi.edu:~ ccc/ > eastein(a)ccc.wpi.edu's password: > fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied > eastein@pippin:~/Desktop$ > > The same thing worked when I tried it as root. Help! And there's the rub with FUSE. You need a setuid-root helper to perform the actual mount. Check the permissions on /usr/bin/fusermount. On my system, they've set it up for setuid-root but Fedora has deemed this to be enough of a security risk that you have to be in the fuse group to run it: -rwsr-xr-- 1 root fuse 22512 May 3 09:49 /usr/bin/fusermount

Aug. 13, 2006

Re: [Wlug] FUSE??

by Eric Stein

> I've been using the "sshfs" fuse module, and its one of the greatest > things I've experienced in Linux in recent years. > > Lets say you have ssh access to another machine, you need to have FUSE > support on your local kernel, then its just a matter of, > > mkdir ~/ssh/otherhost > sshfs -o idmap=user me@otherhost:/ ~/ssh/otherhost > ls ~/ssh/otherhost > > It sets up an sftp (ssh ftp protocol) session in the background, > and I can now access whatever files I would have access to via > ssh/sftp, right on my local system. Basically, it reduces, > > ssh otherhost > cd somedir/ > $EDITOR foo.txt > exit > > to, > > cd ssh/otherhost/somedir/ > $EDITOR foo.txt > > Working with files reduces to "mv", "cp", etc. > > No need for kioslaves, gnome-vfs, or other such madness. > > When I'm done, > > fusermount -u ~/ssh/otherhost > > At least on the small scale, which is all I really care about, it is > SO much easier than setting up NFS, I don't even build NFS support > into my kernels anymore. *No* setup is required on the other side > (other than running sshd), no root access required on local side. > > I wouldn't be surprised if Plan9 and other OSs have had similar > capabilities, but I haven't spent enough time with them, maybe > someone else can comment. In any case, it works on Linux, and > I'm happy. > > -Jamie After reading this I wanted to try out sshfs, so: eastein@pippin:~/Desktop$ sshfs -d ccc.wpi.edu:~ ccc/ eastein(a)ccc.wpi.edu's password: fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied eastein@pippin:~/Desktop$ The same thing worked when I tried it as root. Help! Eric

Aug. 13, 2006

Re: [Wlug] FUSE??

by Jamie Guinan

Hi, On Sat, 12 Aug 2006, ken jones wrote: > Would somebody please explain to me what exactly FUSE does? "With FUSE it is possible to implement a fully functional filesystem in a userspace program." Why is this good? Because *anything* you can think of that you'd like to access as a filesystem, you can, without writing a kernel driver. http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems It works via the fuse module, /dev/fuse, and some (transparent) helper programs. > What good is FUSE to me? I've Googled till the cows come home, but I do > not understand the responses. I've been using the "sshfs" fuse module, and its one of the greatest things I've experienced in Linux in recent years. Lets say you have ssh access to another machine, you need to have FUSE support on your local kernel, then its just a matter of, mkdir ~/ssh/otherhost sshfs -o idmap=user me@otherhost:/ ~/ssh/otherhost ls ~/ssh/otherhost It sets up an sftp (ssh ftp protocol) session in the background, and I can now access whatever files I would have access to via ssh/sftp, right on my local system. Basically, it reduces, ssh otherhost cd somedir/ $EDITOR foo.txt exit to, cd ssh/otherhost/somedir/ $EDITOR foo.txt Working with files reduces to "mv", "cp", etc. No need for kioslaves, gnome-vfs, or other such madness. When I'm done, fusermount -u ~/ssh/otherhost At least on the small scale, which is all I really care about, it is SO much easier than setting up NFS, I don't even build NFS support into my kernels anymore. *No* setup is required on the other side (other than running sshd), no root access required on local side. I wouldn't be surprised if Plan9 and other OSs have had similar capabilities, but I haven't spent enough time with them, maybe someone else can comment. In any case, it works on Linux, and I'm happy. -Jamie

Aug. 13, 2006

Re: [Wlug] FUSE??

by Mike Leo

well, my first responce was that it was an encryption system for disks, but then found http://www.ricardis.tudelft.nl/~vincent/fusesmb/ saying it is a network browsing system. then also found: http://rescuecd.pld-linux.org/download/2006-06-18/RPMS which lists fuse as the following: ntfsprogs-fuse 1.13.0-3 NTFS FUSE module (ntfsmount) and libfuse 2.5.3-3 Filesystem in Userspace so, i guess my answer is i have no idea --- ken jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Would somebody please explain to me what exactly FUSE does? > > I succeeded in using fusexmp to mount my root directory into > /tmp/fuse2.5.3/example. I also succeeded in unmounting with fusermount > -u. I do not understand why I should want to. > > This all started when I upgraded the kernel and the type ntfs file > system on the other half of my dual mounted system refused to "mount". > I got distracted into FUSE then remembered to install the matching > kernel-module-ntfs below. > > Now I am again successfully using 'smbmount' to mount ntfs file types. > I am running Fedora 2.6.17-1.2142_FC4 with > kernel-module-ntfs-2.6.17-1.2142_FC4-2.1.27-0.rr.10.4.i686.rpm > > What good is FUSE to me? I've Googled till the cows come home, but I do > not understand the responses. > > Ken Jones > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 13, 2006

Re: [Wlug] FUSE??

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ken jones wrote: > Would somebody please explain to me what exactly FUSE does? > > I succeeded in using fusexmp to mount my root directory into > /tmp/fuse2.5.3/example. I also succeeded in unmounting with fusermount > -u. I do not understand why I should want to. > > This all started when I upgraded the kernel and the type ntfs file > system on the other half of my dual mounted system refused to "mount". > I got distracted into FUSE then remembered to install the matching > kernel-module-ntfs below. > > Now I am again successfully using 'smbmount' to mount ntfs file types. > I am running Fedora 2.6.17-1.2142_FC4 with > kernel-module-ntfs-2.6.17-1.2142_FC4-2.1.27-0.rr.10.4.i686.rpm > > What good is FUSE to me? I've Googled till the cows come home, but I do > not understand the responses. > > Ken Jones > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Well, let me take a crack at this one. FUSE = FileSystems in user space (you knew that....) An example: I use sshfs (http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html) to mount a file system which I can access via ssh but cannot mount it via NFS (because the file system is behind a firewall). I can mount it as a mere user (not root). Traditionally, all file system mounts had to be done as root (relaxed later for removeable media such as floppies, CD/DVD, USB memory, etc). In the case of NTFS, I'm not sure I see an advantage either way. Perhaps FUSE is just another way to access data stored on an NTFS partition. I'm not certain, but I think the "big deal" about FUSE is that the user can do it without requiring root. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE3prPHl0iXDssISsRAvcsAJ9dinyw3LK+2dTu9P4rw/uSr5pZjwCfUeiM wKhz03ccqcKLbUzOwW6DkIY= =W8vK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 13, 2006

FUSE??

by ken jones

Would somebody please explain to me what exactly FUSE does? I succeeded in using fusexmp to mount my root directory into /tmp/fuse2.5.3/example. I also succeeded in unmounting with fusermount -u. I do not understand why I should want to. This all started when I upgraded the kernel and the type ntfs file system on the other half of my dual mounted system refused to "mount". I got distracted into FUSE then remembered to install the matching kernel-module-ntfs below. Now I am again successfully using 'smbmount' to mount ntfs file types. I am running Fedora 2.6.17-1.2142_FC4 with kernel-module-ntfs-2.6.17-1.2142_FC4-2.1.27-0.rr.10.4.i686.rpm What good is FUSE to me? I've Googled till the cows come home, but I do not understand the responses. Ken Jones

Aug. 13, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Laptop recommendations anyone?

by Chuck Anderson

On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 07:05:27AM -0400, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > The Aspire has 128meg ATI X1400 video card the others have the built in > Intel Accel 950 chip > > Not bad for the money... 1280 x 800 resolution strikes me as > "different" though - perhaps for DVD wide screen? I would pick the models with the built-in Intel Accel 950 chip or equivalent. There are open source 3D video accelerated drivers for those. You might need a little open source utility to set the VESA BIOS video resolution table for WXGA, though. I recently worked on one and had to get a program called "855resolution" or "915resolution", which runs at bootup. Xorg worked fine at 1400x1050 after that. http://www.geocities.com/stomljen/

Aug. 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Laptop recommendations anyone?

by Chuck Anderson

On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 09:31:59AM -0400, Scott Venier wrote: > Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > > Scott Venier wrote: > > > >> > > It is an A20m. My wife got it a number of years ago so she could be > > away from the office more easily... When this problem first began, I > > thought it was windows so I blew everything away and reinstalled (twice > > over a 6 month period). Didn't make a difference. I have heard from > > others that this is known to happen, from time to time, with some thinkpad > > models. I found it interesting to note a review of one of the new IBM > > laptops as stating that "it runs hot". > > > I've had both a T23 and a T42 and the only time I had a heat problem was > when the fan on the T23 died. And generally, the fan only runs when under > heavy cpu load. I haven't had any issues with my T42p either.

Aug. 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] BBQ

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Robert wrote: > Hi Jamie, > > I have a 2 1/2 month old puggle (part pug/part beagle) named Maggie. > > She is quite a handful but has been a great addition to the family. > > Look for the bald guy walking a dog that looks like a min-mastiff, thats me. > > As for the next meeting, when and where? The next meeting is scheduled for Thursday, Sept 7th at 7:00 PM at WPI. Directions and details are on the WLUG website (click the yellow box near the top that says "WLUG Meetings". See ya later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE3gS7Hl0iXDssISsRAgcGAJ9nrFrhX8whtznPtIp17AH/exlJ+wCfc7uX tl7oLfCY49V4tkO/IoPIaCk= =pmZ1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 12, 2006