April 2006 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

Re: [Wlug] Tonight's meeting

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 12 April 2006 15:26, rich(a)richardklein.org wrote: > I've never been to a WLUG meeting before. It's okay for a member of the > general public to just show up, right? anyone and everyone is welcomed -mike

April 12, 2006

Meeting topic

by Mike Leo

Not a technical one, but I have been coming to meetings for maybe a year now, and have not had a chance to introduce myself, and more importantly, haven't found out who you all are. With no topic tonight, can we just have an re-introduction of the members so we know who these emails are coming from? thanks

April 12, 2006

Low-spec [Re: Recycling centers]

by Jamie Guinan

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Patrick Sawyer wrote: > > We can always use working monitors, a p1 or p2 may be too old to be of > > any use though. > > We can also give tax receipts for donations. > > Another thought: I've found that machines around 233 MHz can be used as > Linux thin clients (LTSP). The issue with machines of this vintage is > whether or not the video card can display a sufficient resolution to be > useful with modern software. Heh, lately I've been tinkering with my first 32-bit PC, a 386DX/25 with 8MB ram, 1.44MB floppy, and an old SMC Ethernet card. I can boot 2.6.15 on it, with uClibc+busybox from the buildroot project (like Andy's RouterBoard), and still have around 200K on the floppy for apps/data. One thing that bugs me is that /proc/cpuinfo shows only 3.08 bogomips, but according to this I should be getting ~3.92, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/BogoMips/bogo-list.html#AEN244 I should check the overclockers sites, maybe some LEDs would make it go faster. ;) Granted, I wouldn't have use for 10 of these, but I like to keep a few old systems around just for fun. Anyway, I hope to make it to tonights meeting. I saw someone mention PDAs a few messages ago - I picked up an Agenda VR3 from some job lot outfit on eBay a few weeks ago. A failed product in the market, but I had always wanted one in my collection. Haven't really played with it yet, so I can't talk much about it, but I can bring it for show and tell. -Jamie

April 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu CD's

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Stein wrote: > I actually suspect that the Ubuntu Livecd is based on Ubuntu. Maybe it's > just a hunch :P > Eric In a sense, we're both right, I think. Take a look at the Live CD and see how it works. I'm pretty sure I saw "Knoppix technology" in there when I last looked. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEPPsdHl0iXDssISsRAnWwAJ9NZaK/30JULVtu9RnI/slzKd7vbwCePGln 8qEjYfpEQg7MOCL0O267YaA= =5s/g -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu CD's

by Eric Stein

I actually suspect that the Ubuntu Livecd is based on Ubuntu. Maybe it's just a hunch :P Eric Andy Stewart wrote: > I'll second the nomination for Knoppix as an excellent tool for teaching > Linux, especially at the user level. I use it for the class I teach and > the studets really enjoy taking it home and experimenting. I suspect > that the Ubuntu Live CD probably is based on Knoppix. > > Remember: you learn the most when teaching others. > > Later, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org

April 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu CD's

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Adam Keck wrote: > On Apr 11, 2006, at 11:37 AM, Mike Leo wrote: > > >>I made the mistake of offering a linux basics class at work. >> > > > Since when is teaching a class on Linux a mistake! ;-) I agree! :-) I'll second the nomination for Knoppix as an excellent tool for teaching Linux, especially at the user level. I use it for the class I teach and the studets really enjoy taking it home and experimenting. I suspect that the Ubuntu Live CD probably is based on Knoppix. Remember: you learn the most when teaching others. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEPIEHHl0iXDssISsRAuR6AJ40x576cG5h07i5etsnM/iPNLDNLgCfSkG6 u201tCG+32YLtpFEJgnEwjo= =FflR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu CD's

by Mike Leo

Thats all good info! My plan is similar, but to use the Ubuntu liveCD during the class, and let them take their copy home with them. Who ever brings a laptop can participate in the hands on parts of the class (which I haven't made up yet) via the liveCD. Ill have an overhead with the slide's on it and can dump out to a terminal when needed. nice link, too..i might just modify that to my environment. Andy ordered a nice pile of the last Ubuntu...maybe he can do it again with dapper dan (or whatever its called). thanks --- Adam Keck <ghostis(a)mac.com> wrote: > > On Apr 11, 2006, at 11:37 AM, Mike Leo wrote: > > > I made the mistake of offering a linux basics class at work. > > > > Since when is teaching a class on Linux a mistake! ;-) > > Actually, I have taught two such classes to the front-line admins at > work. Of the two, the far more successful class used floater laptops > booted with Knoppix. Knoppix much reduced the setup time and allowed > me to keep the floater laptop guy happy by not blowing away the XP > installs on the machines. I highly recommend it for teaching. I had > various network services serving up a complete environment to the > student machines; all the machines were on an isolated network in the > conference room. I used a USB key to store the net service config > files as well as the course material. I presented the class material > in PDF to the student laptops with Apache. Everyone plugged in a > floater, booted their Knoppix CD, and then browsed to the class > material on my machine. I can't find the text I used anymore, but > tldp.org seems to have some much nicer free texts now: > > http://www.tldp.org/guides.html > > BTW, Should WLUG have a reserve of Ubuntu CDs available? I can put in > an order for a large set if folks like the idea. > > - Adam > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu CD's

by Adam Keck

On Apr 11, 2006, at 11:37 AM, Mike Leo wrote: > I made the mistake of offering a linux basics class at work. > Since when is teaching a class on Linux a mistake! ;-) Actually, I have taught two such classes to the front-line admins at work. Of the two, the far more successful class used floater laptops booted with Knoppix. Knoppix much reduced the setup time and allowed me to keep the floater laptop guy happy by not blowing away the XP installs on the machines. I highly recommend it for teaching. I had various network services serving up a complete environment to the student machines; all the machines were on an isolated network in the conference room. I used a USB key to store the net service config files as well as the course material. I presented the class material in PDF to the student laptops with Apache. Everyone plugged in a floater, booted their Knoppix CD, and then browsed to the class material on my machine. I can't find the text I used anymore, but tldp.org seems to have some much nicer free texts now: http://www.tldp.org/guides.html BTW, Should WLUG have a reserve of Ubuntu CDs available? I can put in an order for a large set if folks like the idea. - Adam

April 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Recycling centers

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Sawyer wrote: > We can always use working monitors, a p1 or p2 may be too old to be of > any use though. > We can also give tax receipts for donations. Another thought: I've found that machines around 233 MHz can be used as Linux thin clients (LTSP). The issue with machines of this vintage is whether or not the video card can display a sufficient resolution to be useful with modern software. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEPB4YHl0iXDssISsRAjfRAJsEf1k7iqa7mWHIvyBbzZIMH2dLfQCcCro3 +t6pywb6IfBlAwpWITueISo= =26NN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 11, 2006

Meeting Wed Apr 12 7PM WPI

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, Our WLUG meeting will be on Wednesday, April 12 at 7:00 PM in "the usual place" (Access Grid Room, WPI campus, Worcester, MA USA). I hope a few people will be there who attended Linux Expo in Boston - I'm curious to hear about it, and I hope others are as well. Bring your Linux questions - you can ask the group and I'm sure somebody will have an answer. All Linux related topics are fair game at this meeting! I'll bring a few items for raffle (and others might also...). We'll adjourn to the Tech Pizza restaurant after the meeting. See ya soon, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEPB2THl0iXDssISsRAsqBAJ4vvwT1eRhB7/f/SZiMqNENj+K42gCbBJyF sTKbC8tnSRJ6f7hGgsCz7ck= =982L -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 11, 2006