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Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Marc Hughes

> the book they wanted me to refer to! Didn't take long > for me to un-install it, but I couldn't return it because it > was already opened. One day, go in, and exchange the software for an identical title because "the media is damaged and won't install". I've never seen a store who won't offer even exchanges for defective product. On another day, return the newly shrinkwrapped package. -Marc

Jan. 19, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Bill Smith

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:11:53 -0500 Gregory Avedissian <gma2004(a)verizon.net> wrote: > Wow. I'm surprised at that. I returned a CD burner that stopped > working after a few burns, and they gave me no hassel at all. They > took it back and gave me credit. That's because the burner is hardware. If software is opened, it is assumed that a copy could have been made of the original. There are enough dishonest people that this has become the norm, unfortunately. 8( It was because of things like this that some software people started integrating things like keys mid-game (the game would only go so far, unless you were able to provide the fifth word of the second paragraph on page 57, for example). I hated that because a game that my wife bought for me years ago (Dune II) did that, and when I went to look for the key, I seemed to have everything in the box EXCEPT the book they wanted me to refer to! Didn't take long for me to un-install it, but I couldn't return it because it was already opened. > There were no other CD burners of the same model left on the shelf, so > I went and looked at some other stuff. A few minutes later, I went > back to look at other CD burners, and there was one burner on the > shelf of the same model that I'd bought. It was obvious that the > package had been opened and re-sealed. I didn't take it. Heh. Want to lay odds that if you had marked it somehow, your mark would have been on that one? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com Blonde Klingon: Because it was a good day to dye. * TAG! v3.1a *

Jan. 19, 2005

RE: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Martin, Eric

That sounds like a security box that you need a special lock for...surprised you got that out of the store -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:38 PM To: Justin Odom; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing This isn't just heavy bubble pack -- This is a rigid plastic (about 1/8" thick) with a hinged top. The top doesn't open by any obvious means. The the top is opaque grey plastic, and there's a metal mechanism inside. (A magnet is attracted to it.) I'm guessing that a sufficiently strong magnet would release a latch/interlock to allow easy opening. I'm sure it was a mistake that they didn't remove the memory package (a normal cardboard retail shelf packaging) from this "armored box", because most people would not be able to get it open. I'm going to use my cutoff saw to attack it. On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:19:45PM -0500, Justin Odom wrote: > slice it with a razor blade on back, they wont charge you if you want > to return it. > > I worked at that horrible place for over a year :-p > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:23:59 -0800 (PST), Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > I think they do that so you can't return it opened and > > not be charge some fee for damaging the package....but > > then again, I always think the man is trying to keep > > me down! > > > > --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I wonder what the relative melting points of plastic > > > and silicon are... > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:10 -0500, Bill > > > Mills-Curran > > > <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > > > > Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up > > > some memory for me. > > > > It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm > > > assuming that they made a > > > > mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's > > > normal cardboard > > > > packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no > > > non-destructive way > > > > to open this plastic case without destroying it. > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > > http://my.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Gregory Avedissian

Wow. I'm surprised at that. I returned a CD burner that stopped working after a few burns, and they gave me no hassel at all. They took it back and gave me credit. There were no other CD burners of the same model left on the shelf, so I went and looked at some other stuff. A few minutes later, I went back to look at other CD burners, and there was one burner on the shelf of the same model that I'd bought. It was obvious that the package had been opened and re-sealed. I didn't take it. Greg Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > I had a huge hassle returning a video game that I bought for my son. > The game would not work on the system we had (video card issues), even > though the box didn't list any limitations. Because we opened the > box, they were not going to accept a return. I had to get real > insistent.

Jan. 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] key mapping on Fedora 3

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding [Wlug] key mapping on Fedora 3; Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> adds: bill> I'm a little surprised at the differences in default key mappings in bill> F3 as compared to RH9. Maybe it's just me, but my old key mappings bill> are "implanted" and so automatic that's it's unpleasant to adjust. bill> One thing I miss is the ability to make the default edits act like bill> emacs. In particular, RH9 had an option on the keyboard shortcuts to bill> select either "gnome defaults" or "emacs". When I selected "emacs", bill> that affected mozilla/firefox, so that traditional shortcuts (like bill> <ctrl>u deleting all text on the URL box or a text entry box) worked bill> like the "old days". bill> Is there another way to do this, or do I need to learn new shortcuts? Go to Application -> System Tools -> Configuration Editor Then desktop -> gnome -> interface and type in "Emacs" in the "gtk_key_theme" field. Alternatively: put this: gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs" in your .gtkrc-2.0 file. -Jeff

Jan. 18, 2005

RE: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Simoncini, Matthew

Yeah it's more fun to take a "laser" and cut through the damned plastic, but you never know, maybe they have some tech guys that are evil doctors and will throw you a bone. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:20 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing Sorry Justin, I meant to reply to Matt's comment. Bill On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 08:19:08AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Gee, Justin, where's the fun in that? :-) > > Actually, it's easier to saw it off than it is to go to Best Buy. > Also, they're a nasty bunch when it looks like you're trying to do > something out of the ordinary. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd > claim I stole it if I went back to the store, even though I have a > receipt. > > I had a huge hassle returning a video game that I bought for my son. > The game would not work on the system we had (video card issues), even > though the box didn't list any limitations. Because we opened the > box, they were not going to accept a return. I had to get real > insistent. > > The only reason I have something from Best Buy is because my wife > bought it. I'm won't go there if I have any choice. > > Bill > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 07:09:40AM -0500, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > > I've been sort of keeping an eye on this thread and if someone has > > suggested this, please don't flame me, but why not just call BB and > > ask them what to do? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > > > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran > > > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:38 PM > > > To: Justin Odom; Worcester Linux Users Group > > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing > > > > > > This isn't just heavy bubble pack -- This is a rigid plastic > > > (about 1/8" thick) with a hinged top. The top doesn't open by any > > > obvious means. The the top is opaque grey plastic, and there's a > > > metal mechanism inside. (A magnet is attracted to it.) I'm > > > guessing that a sufficiently strong magnet would release a > > > latch/interlock to allow easy opening. > > > > > > I'm sure it was a mistake that they didn't remove the memory > > > package (a normal cardboard retail shelf packaging) from this > > > "armored box", because most people would not be able to get it > > > open. I'm going to use my cutoff saw to attack it. > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:19:45PM -0500, Justin Odom wrote: > > > > slice it with a razor blade on back, they wont charge you > > > if you want > > > > to return it. > > > > > > > > I worked at that horrible place for over a year :-p > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:23:59 -0800 (PST), Mike Leo > > > <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > I think they do that so you can't return it opened and > > > not be charge > > > > > some fee for damaging the package....but then again, I > > > always think > > > > > the man is trying to keep me down! > > > > > > > > > > --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder what the relative melting points of plastic > > > and silicon > > > > > > are... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:10 -0500, Bill Mills-Curran > > > > > > <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > > > > > > > Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up > > > > > > some memory for me. > > > > > > > It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm > > > > > > assuming that they made a > > > > > > > mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's > > > > > > normal cardboard > > > > > > > packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no > > > > > > non-destructive way > > > > > > > to open this plastic case without destroying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > > > > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 18, 2005

key mapping on Fedora 3

by Bill Mills-Curran

I'm a little surprised at the differences in default key mappings in F3 as compared to RH9. Maybe it's just me, but my old key mappings are "implanted" and so automatic that's it's unpleasant to adjust. One thing I miss is the ability to make the default edits act like emacs. In particular, RH9 had an option on the keyboard shortcuts to select either "gnome defaults" or "emacs". When I selected "emacs", that affected mozilla/firefox, so that traditional shortcuts (like <ctrl>u deleting all text on the URL box or a text entry box) worked like the "old days". Is there another way to do this, or do I need to learn new shortcuts? TIA, Bill

Jan. 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Bill Mills-Curran

Sorry Justin, I meant to reply to Matt's comment. Bill On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 08:19:08AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Gee, Justin, where's the fun in that? :-) > > Actually, it's easier to saw it off than it is to go to Best Buy. > Also, they're a nasty bunch when it looks like you're trying to do > something out of the ordinary. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd > claim I stole it if I went back to the store, even though I have a > receipt. > > I had a huge hassle returning a video game that I bought for my son. > The game would not work on the system we had (video card issues), even > though the box didn't list any limitations. Because we opened the > box, they were not going to accept a return. I had to get real > insistent. > > The only reason I have something from Best Buy is because my wife > bought it. I'm won't go there if I have any choice. > > Bill > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 07:09:40AM -0500, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > > I've been sort of keeping an eye on this thread and if someone has suggested > > this, please don't flame me, but why not just call BB and ask them what to > > do? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > > > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran > > > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:38 PM > > > To: Justin Odom; Worcester Linux Users Group > > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing > > > > > > This isn't just heavy bubble pack -- This is a rigid plastic > > > (about 1/8" thick) with a hinged top. The top doesn't open > > > by any obvious means. The the top is opaque grey plastic, > > > and there's a metal mechanism inside. (A magnet is attracted > > > to it.) I'm guessing that a sufficiently strong magnet would > > > release a latch/interlock to allow easy opening. > > > > > > I'm sure it was a mistake that they didn't remove the memory > > > package (a normal cardboard retail shelf packaging) from this > > > "armored box", because most people would not be able to get > > > it open. I'm going to use my cutoff saw to attack it. > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:19:45PM -0500, Justin Odom wrote: > > > > slice it with a razor blade on back, they wont charge you > > > if you want > > > > to return it. > > > > > > > > I worked at that horrible place for over a year :-p > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:23:59 -0800 (PST), Mike Leo > > > <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > I think they do that so you can't return it opened and > > > not be charge > > > > > some fee for damaging the package....but then again, I > > > always think > > > > > the man is trying to keep me down! > > > > > > > > > > --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder what the relative melting points of plastic > > > and silicon > > > > > > are... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:10 -0500, Bill Mills-Curran > > > > > > <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > > > > > > > Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up > > > > > > some memory for me. > > > > > > > It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm > > > > > > assuming that they made a > > > > > > > mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's > > > > > > normal cardboard > > > > > > > packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no > > > > > > non-destructive way > > > > > > > to open this plastic case without destroying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > > > > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Bill Mills-Curran

Gee, Justin, where's the fun in that? :-) Actually, it's easier to saw it off than it is to go to Best Buy. Also, they're a nasty bunch when it looks like you're trying to do something out of the ordinary. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd claim I stole it if I went back to the store, even though I have a receipt. I had a huge hassle returning a video game that I bought for my son. The game would not work on the system we had (video card issues), even though the box didn't list any limitations. Because we opened the box, they were not going to accept a return. I had to get real insistent. The only reason I have something from Best Buy is because my wife bought it. I'm won't go there if I have any choice. Bill On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 07:09:40AM -0500, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > I've been sort of keeping an eye on this thread and if someone has suggested > this, please don't flame me, but why not just call BB and ask them what to > do? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran > > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:38 PM > > To: Justin Odom; Worcester Linux Users Group > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing > > > > This isn't just heavy bubble pack -- This is a rigid plastic > > (about 1/8" thick) with a hinged top. The top doesn't open > > by any obvious means. The the top is opaque grey plastic, > > and there's a metal mechanism inside. (A magnet is attracted > > to it.) I'm guessing that a sufficiently strong magnet would > > release a latch/interlock to allow easy opening. > > > > I'm sure it was a mistake that they didn't remove the memory > > package (a normal cardboard retail shelf packaging) from this > > "armored box", because most people would not be able to get > > it open. I'm going to use my cutoff saw to attack it. > > > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:19:45PM -0500, Justin Odom wrote: > > > slice it with a razor blade on back, they wont charge you > > if you want > > > to return it. > > > > > > I worked at that horrible place for over a year :-p > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:23:59 -0800 (PST), Mike Leo > > <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > I think they do that so you can't return it opened and > > not be charge > > > > some fee for damaging the package....but then again, I > > always think > > > > the man is trying to keep me down! > > > > > > > > --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I wonder what the relative melting points of plastic > > and silicon > > > > > are... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:10 -0500, Bill Mills-Curran > > > > > <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > > > > > > Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up > > > > > some memory for me. > > > > > > It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm > > > > > assuming that they made a > > > > > > mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's > > > > > normal cardboard > > > > > > packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no > > > > > non-destructive way > > > > > > to open this plastic case without destroying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > > > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 18, 2005

RE: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Simoncini, Matthew

I've been sort of keeping an eye on this thread and if someone has suggested this, please don't flame me, but why not just call BB and ask them what to do? > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:38 PM > To: Justin Odom; Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing > > This isn't just heavy bubble pack -- This is a rigid plastic > (about 1/8" thick) with a hinged top. The top doesn't open > by any obvious means. The the top is opaque grey plastic, > and there's a metal mechanism inside. (A magnet is attracted > to it.) I'm guessing that a sufficiently strong magnet would > release a latch/interlock to allow easy opening. > > I'm sure it was a mistake that they didn't remove the memory > package (a normal cardboard retail shelf packaging) from this > "armored box", because most people would not be able to get > it open. I'm going to use my cutoff saw to attack it. > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:19:45PM -0500, Justin Odom wrote: > > slice it with a razor blade on back, they wont charge you > if you want > > to return it. > > > > I worked at that horrible place for over a year :-p > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:23:59 -0800 (PST), Mike Leo > <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I think they do that so you can't return it opened and > not be charge > > > some fee for damaging the package....but then again, I > always think > > > the man is trying to keep me down! > > > > > > --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I wonder what the relative melting points of plastic > and silicon > > > > are... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:10 -0500, Bill Mills-Curran > > > > <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > > > > > Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up > > > > some memory for me. > > > > > It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm > > > > assuming that they made a > > > > > mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's > > > > normal cardboard > > > > > packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no > > > > non-destructive way > > > > > to open this plastic case without destroying it. > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 18, 2005