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RE: [Wlug] printers

by Don Peterson

Thanx for the reply John. I had looked into CUPS but it looked pretty involved (the install and setup). Maybe I will give LPRng a shot. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of John Stoffel Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:51 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] printers Don> I've got a quick question about printers. Is there a printers.conf Don> file in Red Hat like there is in Solaris (I couldn't find one). Don> Here's my issue: Don> I have 5 servers in a 9i RAC array and I don't want to set up my 50 Don> printers on each server. Can anyone suggest a way to "copy" Don> the printers I set up on one server to the other 4? Sure, just setup one box as your master, using LPRng. Then you install LPRng on all the client systems with an /etc/printcap sorta like this: # LPRng: /etc/printcap file # # Forward all jobs to the print server # *:force_localhost@:client:rm=printmaster.foo.com Then when you add/delete printers on the server, they appear on the client without any intervention. Now, I can't say I love LPRng, mostly because the Docs are baroque and hard to follow, and the output of various commands is also archane. You might want to look at using CUPS instead, since it's based on and support the Internet Printing Protocol. I use CUPS at home and it's fine. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Photo Printer recommendations

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:16:19 -0400 From: "John Stoffel" <stoffel(a)lucent.com> >>>>> "Robert" == Robert L Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> writes: Robert, thank you for your *very* informative post! Robert> For Linux use, I would recommend the 2200 over the 960 hands Robert> down, if you can use Gimp-Print 5.0 (which is currently in Robert> beta). I have both of them. I consider myself qualified on Robert> this subject, as the Gimp-Print project lead. I'm very happy to use cutting edge software, I run a very upto date Debian setup. You'll have to build from source; the Debian packaging for 5.0 beta is currently broken. Robert> These printers are not the same; the 2200 uses UltraChrome Robert> inks (which are pigment-based) while the 960 uses Robert> conventional dye-based inks. Somewhat surprisingly, the Robert> 2200 has a wider gamut than the 960 (usually pigment inks Robert> have narrow gamut). However, it's not hard to get a good Robert> grayscale out of that printer. What other printers use these UltraChrome inks as well, which are (possibly) cheaper than the 2200? I don't think I need the bigger size, I'm mostly looking for a dedicated photo printer for home use, we already have the B&W laser for generic printing. I'm not even planning on using this new printer for color text prints. The only one that's cheaper is the R800, but that's currently marginally supported at best. In particular, it only operates in CMYK mode right now, and it's going to take me a while to get the red and blue inks (and gloss optimizer) working correctly. Robert> The 960, despite its tiny smallest drop size of 2 pl (vs. 4 pl Robert> for the 2200) does not produce as good output in my opinion. Robert> You really need to use the highest resolution (2880x1440) to Robert> get smooth texture, since printing with the 960 requires use Robert> of a lot of black ink. The 2200 has a "light black" (gray) Robert> ink that helps a lot, and in my experience you can get quite Robert> good quality even at 720 DPI and seldom need to go above Robert> 1440x720 DPI. There's a big performance difference right Robert> there! Sounds like a big difference in costs too, since you'll be using less ink. How important is the paper? Everything I've been reading says that using the Epson paper is really the only way to go. You're not using less ink at lower resolution. Paper is very important. I'd suggest the Epson papers, since the inks and papers are designed to work together. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Sept. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] printers

by John Stoffel

Don> I've got a quick question about printers. Is there a Don> printers.conf file in Red Hat like there is in Solaris (I Don> couldn't find one). Here's my issue: Don> I have 5 servers in a 9i RAC array and I don't want to set up my Don> 50 printers on each server. Can anyone suggest a way to "copy" Don> the printers I set up on one server to the other 4? Sure, just setup one box as your master, using LPRng. Then you install LPRng on all the client systems with an /etc/printcap sorta like this: # LPRng: /etc/printcap file # # Forward all jobs to the print server # *:force_localhost@:client:rm=printmaster.foo.com Then when you add/delete printers on the server, they appear on the client without any intervention. Now, I can't say I love LPRng, mostly because the Docs are baroque and hard to follow, and the output of various commands is also archane. You might want to look at using CUPS instead, since it's based on and support the Internet Printing Protocol. I use CUPS at home and it's fine.

Sept. 1, 2004

printers

by Don Peterson

Hello there, I am new here, and new to Linux. My company is in the middle of a platform migration for our Oracle ERP system. We are moving away from Solaris towards a Intel/Linux solution. I've got a quick question about printers. Is there a printers.conf file in Red Hat like there is in Solaris (I couldn't find one). Here's my issue: I have 5 servers in a 9i RAC array and I don't want to set up my 50 printers on each server. Can anyone suggest a way to "copy" the printers I set up on one server to the other 4? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Don Peterson MCP/DCSE Network/Telecommunications Administrator Sterilite Corporation 30 Scales Lane Townsend, Ma 01469

Sept. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Photo Printer recommendations

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Robert" == Robert L Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> writes: Robert, thank you for your *very* informative post! Robert> For Linux use, I would recommend the 2200 over the 960 hands Robert> down, if you can use Gimp-Print 5.0 (which is currently in Robert> beta). I have both of them. I consider myself qualified on Robert> this subject, as the Gimp-Print project lead. I'm very happy to use cutting edge software, I run a very upto date Debian setup. Robert> These printers are not the same; the 2200 uses UltraChrome Robert> inks (which are pigment-based) while the 960 uses conventional Robert> dye-based inks. Somewhat surprisingly, the 2200 has a wider Robert> gamut than the 960 (usually pigment inks have narrow gamut). Robert> However, it's not hard to get a good grayscale out of that Robert> printer. What other printers use these UltraChrome inks as well, which are (possibly) cheaper than the 2200? I don't think I need the bigger size, I'm mostly looking for a dedicated photo printer for home use, we already have the B&W laser for generic printing. I'm not even planning on using this new printer for color text prints. Robert> The 960, despite its tiny smallest drop size of 2 pl (vs. 4 pl Robert> for the 2200) does not produce as good output in my opinion. Robert> You really need to use the highest resolution (2880x1440) to Robert> get smooth texture, since printing with the 960 requires use Robert> of a lot of black ink. The 2200 has a "light black" (gray) Robert> ink that helps a lot, and in my experience you can get quite Robert> good quality even at 720 DPI and seldom need to go above Robert> 1440x720 DPI. There's a big performance difference right Robert> there! Sounds like a big difference in costs too, since you'll be using less ink. How important is the paper? Everything I've been reading says that using the Epson paper is really the only way to go. Robert> The problem with the 2200 is that Gimp-Print 4.2 doesn't drive it Robert> well, since the internal architecture doesn't cope very well with the Robert> fact that the gray (and photo black) inks aren't neutral. If you Robert> really can't switch to Gimp-Print 5.0 yet, the 2200 isn't a good Robert> choice; I'd recommend the R200 or the like. How about the R800? Is that the least expensive of the printers with the UltraChrome inks? Thanks for your comments, a big help! John

Sept. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 01 September 2004 09:41 am, Brian Waite wrote: > > > Also, can the gentoo build work via distcc? > > I looked deeper into the Gentoo distcc build and it looks like it > might not be very easy. They require (correctly) a hardened version of > the compiler if I under stood corretly and trying to ensure N machines > with M distors have the right compilers would be unreallistic. the hardened features are just propolice support (which is built into all of Gentoo by default now) in practice, you just need the same compiler version (gcc-3.3.3 with gcc-3.2.3 will probably get you in trouble) ... some ebuilds misbehave and append non-standard flags, but i'm working with people on fixing those -mike

Sept. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic

by Brian Waite

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:13:32 -0400, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Wednesday 01 September 2004 08:54 am, Brian Waite wrote: > > I could get into this type of meeting. In fact, watching the time it > > takes to do a Gentoo install > > if you know the internals of the build process you can trick the whole > proccess to use just binary packages (assuming of course you have the binary > packages) That might be a good solution for the time constrained. Maybe at the time we do a Binary Gentoo install and then go into detail about how to emerge and build the apps at a later date. That might actually get me to use Gentoo again. If I can have a fully configured system in a short amount of time, I can setup cron jobs to build optimized versions at night. > > > Also, can the gentoo build work via distcc? I looked deeper into the Gentoo distcc build and it looks like it might not be very easy. They require (correctly) a hardened version of the compiler if I under stood corretly and trying to ensure N machines with M distors have the right compilers would be unreallistic. > > yes > -mike > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 01 September 2004 08:54 am, Brian Waite wrote: > I could get into this type of meeting. In fact, watching the time it > takes to do a Gentoo install if you know the internals of the build process you can trick the whole proccess to use just binary packages (assuming of course you have the binary packages) > Also, can the gentoo build work via distcc? yes -mike

Sept. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic

by Brian Waite

I could get into this type of meeting. In fact, watching the time it takes to do a Gentoo install vs say Knoppix is prat of the fun. I can also provide some Yellow Dog Linux 3.0.1 Cds for anyone interested in trying to run Linux on a PPC. I'd like to see how Fedora Core install is progressing these days. I have SUSE 9.1 Pro sitting here that I'd also like to see run, if anyone has some guts and a machine. :) I can even see about bringing along a PC that can use a new install. Also, can the gentoo build work via distcc? I'm wondering if we can leech some cycles opff idle laptops to speed the Gentoo build up. Ahh here it is: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml#bootstrapping The distcc thought might take some coordinatino though. Just some thoughts/ramblings. Brian

Sept. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic

by Mike Leo

how far into the gentoo install can you get? Is the last step the long process? I can volunteer a fast machine if we could get most of the way thru at the meeting and I can just kill it at the end. Or is every step along the way very time consuming? We could have several pc's setup installing all at once so people could see a knoppix install or a SUse install or a gentoo all at once --- Ryan Caron <rcaron(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > No, the install isn't the easiest thing to someone > not familar with it, > but the Gentoo documentation is quite good. The > basic install (known as a > stage 1 install) alone can take a fair amount of > time since everything has > to be compiled. However, you can save time by using > what's called a stage > 2 install where some of the basic install is > precompiled. A stage 3 > install is where the entire basic install is already > compiled. > > We would not be able to complete a stage 1 or stage > 2 install during a > typical WLUG meeting and it is the kind of thing to > let run overnight. If > you are a laptop user you can download all the > neccessary source files in > advance and leave the meeting with the laptop still > compiling. Otherwise, > a constant, and preferably fast, network connection > is required. > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try > it > > out, but have also heard the install is not so > easy. > > > > Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an > > install fest so others can get hands on with > different > > distro installs? > > > > just one man's opinion.... > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Sept. 1, 2004