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RE: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question

by Martin, Eric

Definitly going to pitch choices; after all, that's what linux and Free Software is all about. I'm prob going to go with OpenOffice, seeing as how that's what I'm comfortable with (and I know its capabilities). Def looking for a graphic install (at least to start off with), I don't want to scare people away. As far as KDE v. Gnome, I'm not quite sure. I'm not big on the newest version of MetaCity, and I just installed KDE 3.2.3 on a new box and it looks / feels awesome. I'm probably going to lean more towards KDE but show gnome as well. Also covering Firefox, Gaim, and gnuCash. I'm trying to do an intro to computers class with linux. Don't know how it's going to work out but its worth a shot. I want to show people that there is more than the M$ way, (Windows, IE, Outlook Express, Money, etc) I'm open to suggestions of applications to cover keeping with every day tasks (Budgeting, net browsing, email, office type stuff,etc) Eric -----Original Message----- From: JONATHAN BEALL [mailto:joncbeall@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:53 AM To: chaines(a)gmail.com; wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question Gentoo over Slackware for a new user? i think the 3 different types of Gentoo installs, plus the optimiziation steps would absolutely turn off a newbie. if a graphic installer is what you're looking for Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSe have that covered. i'm also a big Mepis fan, they have a great distro with a very simple install. partitioning is most likely going to be a tough sell to windows converts, but anything you can do to keep them away from the nasty windows-wanna-be flavors of linux (like Lindows and Lycoris) will help them in the long run. you said you'd be teaching them mostly GUI features... will you do Gnome or KDE? KOffice or OO.org? So many choices... that's why linux is great -jonathan beall >From: Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> >Reply-To: Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com>, Worcester Linux Users Group<wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 05:39:53 -0400 > >Slackware for beginners, ugh, I'd say not. If you want a good >beginners distro, go with Gentoo (though it still has a little >learning curve for installation and setup) or get one of the distro's >that does more for you like Fedora Core 2 (which I'm running and like >a lot), Mandrake or Suse. They make much better beginner friendly >distro's. Remember, you want to make the switchover easier on users, >otherwise they won't make it. IMHO, Slackware would be too hard to >learn for a beginner (but don't get my wrong, I love Slackware, just >not for a beginner). > >Chuck > >On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:32:12 -0400, Frank Rizzo <joe(a)crankhouse.com> wrote: > > > > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with > > > > the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I > > > > don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for > > > > people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > > > > feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a > > > > disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend > > > > mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I > > > > want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of > > > > their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend > > > > for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > > > I would say Slackware would be a good distro to show people Linux. It's simple, > > secure, and stable. It does have the tgz packages, but you dont have to use them. > > The only problem is the install is not as pretty as some of the other distros. > > > > -Joe > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > >-- >Chuck Haines >chaines(a)gmail.com >------------------------------------------- >Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity >WPI Class of 2005 >------------------------------------------- >AIM: CyberGrex >YIM: CyberGrex_27 >ICQ: 3707881 >------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 19, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question

by Martin, Eric

I've done a Stage3 with GRP (all you do is the kernel with stage3, and GRP is precompilied Oo.O, KDE, gnome). It's quick, it works, but I prefer to use Stage1 and distcc for speed. I like the fact that I can rip kerberos support out, etc. I'm gonna d/l SuSe and Slackware tonight, see what I can see. Eric -----Original Message----- From: gboyce(a)badbelly.com [mailto:gboyce@badbelly.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:27 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Chuck Haines wrote: > Slackware for beginners, ugh, I'd say not. If you want a good > beginners distro, go with Gentoo (though it still has a little > learning curve for installation and setup) or get one of the distro's > that does more for you like Fedora Core 2 (which I'm running and like > a lot), Mandrake or Suse. They make much better beginner friendly > distro's. Remember, you want to make the switchover easier on users, > otherwise they won't make it. IMHO, Slackware would be too hard to > learn for a beginner (but don't get my wrong, I love Slackware, just > not for a beginner). I consider Gentoo a good learning distribution for people who want to get to know Linux (layouts, etc), but I'm thinking that a course at public schools will probably have low end hardware to work with. I'm not sure how much learning they'll do while they wait for their packages to compile on the older hardware. Glibc itself would take at least a class. Has anyone tried installing Gentoo using pre-built packages? I know it's supposed to be possible, but I've never tried it. I'm not sure how usable it really is. -- Greg Boyce _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question [offtopic]

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 19 August 2004 09:26 am, gboyce(a)badbelly.com wrote: > Has anyone tried installing Gentoo using pre-built packages? I know it's > supposed to be possible, but I've never tried it. I'm not sure how usable > it really is. GRP works nicely to get you up and running (ive used it once or twice), but after that the binary package support works pretty nicely ... for example, i have 4 little identical arm machines, and they all share a package directory over NFS ... when one builds a package, the others can update using the binary package that was created ... build once, emerge four times there is also a binary package host feature which i use with my slow routers ... on a central server i run a chroot that mirrors the routers ... i keep that system up-to-date and constantly build binary packages ... then on my routers, i point portage to the ftp server which has all the binary packages and they use that to update -mike

Aug. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question

by gboyce＠badbelly.com

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Chuck Haines wrote: > Slackware for beginners, ugh, I'd say not. If you want a good > beginners distro, go with Gentoo (though it still has a little > learning curve for installation and setup) or get one of the distro's > that does more for you like Fedora Core 2 (which I'm running and like > a lot), Mandrake or Suse. They make much better beginner friendly > distro's. Remember, you want to make the switchover easier on users, > otherwise they won't make it. IMHO, Slackware would be too hard to > learn for a beginner (but don't get my wrong, I love Slackware, just > not for a beginner). I consider Gentoo a good learning distribution for people who want to get to know Linux (layouts, etc), but I'm thinking that a course at public schools will probably have low end hardware to work with. I'm not sure how much learning they'll do while they wait for their packages to compile on the older hardware. Glibc itself would take at least a class. Has anyone tried installing Gentoo using pre-built packages? I know it's supposed to be possible, but I've never tried it. I'm not sure how usable it really is. -- Greg Boyce

Aug. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question

by JONATHAN BEALL

Aug. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Seeking SuSE 9.1 personal edition

by Steve Freitag

Andy, Not sure if this helps you, but it looks like you can download a SuSE 9.1 Personal iso from a SuSE mirror such as this one: http://suse.cs.utah.edu/suse/i386/9.1-personal-iso/ Here's a couple of links which gives more info on the download (no commercial software) version: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7425 http://www.distrowatch.com/?newsid=01692#0 Andy Stewart wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > >HI all, > >Does anybody have a copy of SuSE 9.1 *personal* edition? Can you bring it to >the next WLUG meeting (no, I'm not roping you into a presentation...)? >Please let me know. > >Thanks, > >Andy >- -- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA USA >http://www.wlug.org >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQFBJAJ4Hl0iXDssISsRAoS8AJ9+mR2XvXk/u3NQiqGjgvJ3G2kTEwCfQx0T >2/S0fV2C4zSVC7fFgxf4wq0= >=pmTL >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Aug. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question

by Chuck Haines

Slackware for beginners, ugh, I'd say not. If you want a good beginners distro, go with Gentoo (though it still has a little learning curve for installation and setup) or get one of the distro's that does more for you like Fedora Core 2 (which I'm running and like a lot), Mandrake or Suse. They make much better beginner friendly distro's. Remember, you want to make the switchover easier on users, otherwise they won't make it. IMHO, Slackware would be too hard to learn for a beginner (but don't get my wrong, I love Slackware, just not for a beginner). Chuck On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:32:12 -0400, Frank Rizzo <joe(a)crankhouse.com> wrote: > > > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with > > > the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I > > > don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for > > > people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > > > feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a > > > disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend > > > mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I > > > want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of > > > their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend > > > for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > I would say Slackware would be a good distro to show people Linux. It's simple, > secure, and stable. It does have the tgz packages, but you dont have to use them. > The only problem is the install is not as pretty as some of the other distros. > > -Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Aug. 19, 2004

Seeking SuSE 9.1 personal edition

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, Does anybody have a copy of SuSE 9.1 *personal* edition? Can you bring it to the next WLUG meeting (no, I'm not roping you into a presentation...)? Please let me know. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBJAJ4Hl0iXDssISsRAoS8AJ9+mR2XvXk/u3NQiqGjgvJ3G2kTEwCfQx0T 2/S0fV2C4zSVC7fFgxf4wq0= =pmTL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question

by Frank Rizzo

I agree that the install might not be quite as user friendly as a Mandrake or SuSe, but if you're thinking about using Gentoo you should also think about using Slackware. Like I said before - it's a pretty straight forward distro, you get out of it what you put into it. Great for learning, IMO. On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 05:39:53AM -0400, Chuck Haines wrote: > Slackware for beginners, ugh, I'd say not. If you want a good > beginners distro, go with Gentoo (though it still has a little > learning curve for installation and setup) or get one of the distro's > that does more for you like Fedora Core 2 (which I'm running and like > a lot), Mandrake or Suse. They make much better beginner friendly > distro's. Remember, you want to make the switchover easier on users, > otherwise they won't make it. IMHO, Slackware would be too hard to > learn for a beginner (but don't get my wrong, I love Slackware, just > not for a beginner). > > Chuck > > On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:32:12 -0400, Frank Rizzo <joe(a)crankhouse.com> wrote: > > > > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with > > > > the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I > > > > don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for > > > > people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > > > > feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a > > > > disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend > > > > mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I > > > > want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of > > > > their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend > > > > for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > > > I would say Slackware would be a good distro to show people Linux. It's simple, > > secure, and stable. It does have the tgz packages, but you dont have to use them. > > The only problem is the install is not as pretty as some of the other distros. > > > > -Joe > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- > Chuck Haines > chaines(a)gmail.com > ------------------------------------------- > Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity > WPI Class of 2005 > ------------------------------------------- > AIM: CyberGrex > YIM: CyberGrex_27 > ICQ: 3707881 > ------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 19, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Linux Training

by Martin, Eric

I agree. HOWTOs have taught me the most out of everything. I'd say take the money that you'd pay for training, and get a few ORA (O'Reilly & Assoc.) books, cd rom bookshelves, or maybe even a Subscription to safari. Reading and doing is my best way. Eric -----Original Message----- From: sonnyvn(a)linus.mitre.org [mailto:sonnyvn@linus.mitre.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:54 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Linux Training Mark, In my opinion, classes are always out of date. When I first started with HPUX and Solaris, I was sent to classes. Afterward, I have found docs.sun.com and docs.hp.com has even more info than the classes (and they are free). For Linux, the www.linux.org with (www.tldp.org) website(s) have given me 80% of linux knowledge. Depending upon your distributions (mine is Redhat), I have found even more indepth documentations (pdf) from their website to do almost everything my Solaris and HP-UX can do (except Jumpstart and Ignite-UX). Hopes this helps a little. Sonny Nguyen > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Linux Training (Mark Eaton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:54:19 -0400 > From: "Mark Eaton" <meaton(a)sterilite.com> > Subject: [Wlug] Linux Training > To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <C410352A9903E540B8FBE58DAEDDC09147E66B(a)shomail2k.sterilite.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > We are a manufacturing firm located in North Central Mass. We're > converting our Enterprise systems from Unix/Solaris & SUNs to Linux & > Intel's running clustered servers. We are pretty proficient at > Solaris but need to get up to speed on Linux fast. I can't afford to > have people out for 2 or 3 weeks to go to Red Hat for formal training > and that's about all I've found other than "buy our > CD's...". Are there some good intermediate to advanced courses available > in the Greater Worcester area that you would recommend? Thanks for > your help. Mark - meaton1(a)earthlink.net > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 10, Issue 14 > ************************************ > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 18, 2004