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Re: [Wlug] libcrypto.so.4

by Michael Long

I am using SuSE 8.2 and I found the rpm's on rpmfind.net. The distribution came with python 2.2.2 but I need python 2.2.3. I looked for new SuSE packages but did not find them. I will follow your suggestion and download the src rpm and rebuild it. Mike > > What Linux distribution and release are you using? Where did you get > those RPM packages from? You really should only use RPM packages for > your specific distribution and release. Ideally, you should use the > ones that came as a part of your distribution, if available. > > For example, Red Hat Linux 7.3 has python2 RPMs that come with it, and > newer bug-fixed ones available as errata updates > (ftp://updates.redhat.com/) > > python2-2.2.2-3.7.3.i386.rpm > python2-devel-2.2.2-3.7.3.i386.rpm > python2-docs-2.2.2-3.7.3.i386.rpm > > and Red Hat Linux 9 already has python 2 as the default: > > python-2.2.2-26.i386.rpm > python-optik-1.4-2.noarch.rpm > python-docs-2.2.2-26.i386.rpm > python-devel-2.2.2-26.i386.rpm > python-tools-2.2.2-26.i386.rpm > > If you just grabbed whatever RPM packages you could find, they are > probably not built against the proper versions of your system > libraries, which in your case are openssl and rpm. You cannot just > upgrade system libraries without breaking much of the rest of your > system. > > If you must have that particular version of python2, consider > recompiling the src.rpm so that it will be built against your exact > system library versions: > > rpmbuild --rebuild python2-2.2.3-1.src.rpm > > Then install the resulting binary rpms that are built: > > rpm -Uvh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/python2-2.2.3-1.i386.rpm > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Aug. 6, 2003

Re: [Wlug] libcrypto.so.4

by Charles R. Anderson

On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 02:37:27PM -0400, Michael Long wrote: mlong> I am attempting to install the rpm python2-2.2.3-1 and get the following mlong> error: mlong> mlong> edev:/home/mlong # rpm -Uvh python2-2.2.3-1.i386.rpm mlong> error: failed dependencies: mlong> libcrypto.so.4 is needed by python2-2.2.3-1 mlong> libssl.so.4 is needed by python2-2.2.3-1 mlong> rpmlib(PartialHardlinkSets) <= 4.0.4-1 is needed by mlong> python2-2.2.3-1 mlong> mlong> I then tried updating openssl-0.9.6i-12 with openssl-0.9.7a-16 mlong> and got a large list of failed dependencies. The two files I need are a mlong> part of the latest openssl package. How should I go about resolving the mlong> python dependencies? What Linux distribution and release are you using? Where did you get those RPM packages from? You really should only use RPM packages for your specific distribution and release. Ideally, you should use the ones that came as a part of your distribution, if available. For example, Red Hat Linux 7.3 has python2 RPMs that come with it, and newer bug-fixed ones available as errata updates (ftp://updates.redhat.com/) python2-2.2.2-3.7.3.i386.rpm python2-devel-2.2.2-3.7.3.i386.rpm python2-docs-2.2.2-3.7.3.i386.rpm and Red Hat Linux 9 already has python 2 as the default: python-2.2.2-26.i386.rpm python-optik-1.4-2.noarch.rpm python-docs-2.2.2-26.i386.rpm python-devel-2.2.2-26.i386.rpm python-tools-2.2.2-26.i386.rpm If you just grabbed whatever RPM packages you could find, they are probably not built against the proper versions of your system libraries, which in your case are openssl and rpm. You cannot just upgrade system libraries without breaking much of the rest of your system. If you must have that particular version of python2, consider recompiling the src.rpm so that it will be built against your exact system library versions: rpmbuild --rebuild python2-2.2.3-1.src.rpm Then install the resulting binary rpms that are built: rpm -Uvh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/python2-2.2.3-1.i386.rpm -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Aug. 6, 2003

libcrypto.so.4

by Michael Long

Hi, I am attempting to install the rpm python2-2.2.3-1 and get the following error: edev:/home/mlong # rpm -Uvh python2-2.2.3-1.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: libcrypto.so.4 is needed by python2-2.2.3-1 libssl.so.4 is needed by python2-2.2.3-1 rpmlib(PartialHardlinkSets) <= 4.0.4-1 is needed by python2-2.2.3-1 I then tried updating openssl-0.9.6i-12 with openssl-0.9.7a-16 and got a large list of failed dependencies. The two files I need are a part of the latest openssl package. How should I go about resolving the python dependencies? Thanks, Mike

Aug. 6, 2003

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by Karl Hiramoto

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Aug. 5, 2003

Re: [Wlug] SLIPS MA Open Source Bill

by rb＠millbury.net

At 08:26 AM 8/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: >SNIP< Further more I think It would be interesting to get involved with public schools in Worcester to promote the use of Linux. I put up a small page on my web site to address this topic, which I have called SLIPS (Supporting Linux In Public Schools). (btw.. I think the next LUG topic should include LTSP! I have this working in a vmware window using just one comp) Also an admirable goal. However, this one presents an even larger challenge. Looking at it realistically, school system educators (teachers as well as administrators) are the most stubborn, least innovative group I have ever encountered. There are exceptions in each school but to achieve adoption of anything which is not brain-dead simple to use is an impossibility. Linux is far from brain-dead simple to use. Better to concentrate on promoting business usage and then let the school systems lag behind as they always have - unless you are a glutton for punishment. Sounds like you've had some experience with the education system! <grin> As the technology administrator for the Millbury Public School District, I can concur in part. Something new is counter to the culture of many schools. We at Millbury have been using Linux on the server side for many, many years. And, thanks to Skip Gaede on this list, we also ran Mac LTSP clients in one of our libraries. Since schools are not the place for innovation <smirk>, it is difficult to get Linux on the desktop. In many instances, it isn't possible due to the lack of Linux support from most educational software manufacturer. Yes, we could run Win4Lin and all that but that defeats one of the big arguments of client software cost. It also limits and confuses most school staff members who want to evaluate software. If I say, "Can't do it, we run Linux", guess what the next comment will be. In small or specialized environments, I can see great success with infiltrating Linux. In my district, we strive to make all clients identical so that it maximizes our investment. Students can go anywhere in the school and see the same functionality. For me at the moment, putting Linux in one of the labs would limit this flexibility. Linux desktop is not out of the question for schools, just not the best choice *AT THIS TIME* for all instances. If the school is not already heavily invested in Windows curriculum software then some of the many Linux choices would be a good offering. We, for instance, use a $800/PC Windows math program to help boost our students' MCAS scores. We also require all our Sophomores to have a full year of MS Office which they also get a certificate of completion. Like everywhere else, there are politics that go along with technology decisions. Cost, along with "what are the other districts our size doing" are the two big questions you will be confronted with. I have the fortunate situation where I am allowed the freedom to make the best choice for our district. Right now, its a combination of Linux and Windows. If the situation arose that a Linux desktop would be the best choice for the user, then Linux it will be. In fact, that may not be too far off judging from the number of students I've heard of running Linux at home. If anyone else is interested in discussing this subject further, don't hesitate to contact me. I'm glad to see any enthusiasm in bringing OpenSource to schools. - Rob

Aug. 4, 2003

Re: [Wlug] SLIPS MA Open Source Bill

by Doug Chamberlin

At 8/3/2003 09:21 PM (Sunday), Matt Higgins wrote: >This is a pretty grim view of things with respect to public schools. Yeah, it is a rather grim view. I am pretty discouraged by the attitudes I've seen in schools (public and private) over the past couple of decades. On a positive note, if what I said has not completely discouraged YOU then perhaps you have the energy (or secret decoder ring) necessary to prevail. Hope so! >I know a few teachers here in Worcester who would disagree with most of >your comments. Like I said, there are always a few people who maintain a hopeful outlook. >However I do agree with some of what you have to say. >Schools and the school system are often slow to adopt new technologies >and the beaurocracy that its central administration here in Worcester >would be a tough challenge. That's my main point. School systems are far more difficult to move than most businesses. Good luck with it!

Aug. 4, 2003

Re: [Wlug] SLIPS MA Open Source Bill

by Matt Higgins

Baris, Check my response to Bill. On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 12:56, Baris Hasdemir wrote: > Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > Matt, > > > > Do a google search on linux education -- there are some pretty > > heavy-duty efforts under way to promote the use of linux in school > > systems. There was a report on that in /. recently, too. > > > > Bill > > > > > "SEUL/edu is dedicated to furthering the use of Linux and other open > resources in education. This covers all aspects of educational uses of > Linux, by teachers, parents, and students." > http://seul.org/edu/ > > they prepare regular reports, too. > http://seul.org/edu/reports.html > > baris > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 4, 2003

Re: [Wlug] SLIPS MA Open Source Bill

by Matt Higgins

Chuck, Yes these are two separate movements/topics. I attempted to be platform independent when discussing the bill but Linux specific with respect to SLIPS. I agree this should have been two posts but I kinda had a lot to say and wanted to get it out ;) Thanks for the encouragement ! On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 12:49, Chuck Homic wrote: > On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 10:09:59PM -0400, Matt Higgins wrote: > > New to the list, and wanted to know what you all thought. I'm looking to > > put together a bill that will require state gov to consider OSS when > > sending out RFP's. The bill would mirror those being proposed/stalled in > > other states such as Washington and Texas. > > I have been in contact with state Rep Robert Spellane who is positive > > about the subject. I believe he would be more responsive if the WLUG > > were also supporting this. > > I think this is a great idea. I live in NY now... I kinda wish I had the > free time to mirror your efforts here. I'm sure I'm not the only one who > wouldn't mind updates as your efforts progress. Keep us informed! > > > Further more I think It would be interesting to get involved with public > > schools in Worcester to promote the use of Linux. I put up a small page > > on my web site to address this topic, which I have called SLIPS > > (Supporting Linux In Public Schools). > > This is cool too. Just want to check that these are two separate efforts. > (Your subject line seems to imply that it is one.) I think advocating > Linux in schools is a great idea. But anything that you intend to become > a law, you obviously want to avoid mentioning any specific OSS projects. > I mean, whether a municipality chooses Linux, FreeBSD, OpenOffice, > Mozilla, or whatever, it's a win for Free/Open software. > > -Chuck > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 4, 2003

Re: [Wlug] SLIPS MA Open Source Bill

by Matt Higgins

Doug, This is a pretty grim view of things with respect to public schools. I know a few teachers here in Worcester who would disagree with most of your comments. However I do agree with some of what you have to say. Schools and the school system are often slow to adopt new technologies and the beaurocracy that its central administration here in Worcester would be a tough challenge. With that said I have spoken with a few teachers and administrators who are very unhappy with the state of the network in there schools. Systems crashing, software not useful because of unstable systems, and I have found that frustration is often a big motivator for change! Not to mention a few other things a that are happening right now that may help tip the scales in favor of Linux. (Ok I'll mention a few ;) Shrinking school budgets EOL of NT (Most schools still use NT at there core and in most labs) XP is too expensive and requires network wide upgrades not to mention the new licence scheme. Linux desktop has significantly improved to the point that a well configured desktop could be used by a "brain-dead" person. KDE.edu etc ... ... ... On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 08:26, Doug Chamberlin wrote: > At 8/1/2003 10:09 PM (Friday), Matt Higgins wrote: > >New to the list, and wanted to know what you all thought. I'm looking to > >put together a bill that will require state gov to consider OSS when > >sending out RFP's. The bill would mirror those being proposed/stalled in > >other states such as Washington and Texas. > >I have been in contact with state Rep Robert Spellane who is positive > >about the subject. I believe he would be more responsive if the WLUG > >were also supporting this. > > An admirable goal. Hard work but there seems to be some movement (as you > have noticed). > > >Further more I think It would be interesting to get involved with public > >schools in Worcester to promote the use of Linux. I put up a small page > >on my web site to address this topic, which I have called SLIPS > >(Supporting Linux In Public Schools). (btw.. I think the next LUG topic > >should include LTSP! I have this working in a vmware window using just > >one comp) > > Also an admirable goal. However, this one presents an even larger challenge. > > Looking at it realistically, school system educators (teachers as well as > administrators) are the most stubborn, least innovative group I have ever > encountered. There are exceptions in each school but to achieve adoption of > anything which is not brain-dead simple to use is an impossibility. Linux > is far from brain-dead simple to use. Better to concentrate on promoting > business usage and then let the school systems lag behind as they always > have - unless you are a glutton for punishment. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 4, 2003

Re: [Wlug] SLIPS MA Open Source Bill

by Matt Higgins

Bill, I have done a significant amount of research on this topic. I have built a small site dedicated to it. The difference between these efforts and the ideas I have for SLIPS is I want to take it to the streets. These efforts are largely passive support groups. With SLIPS I want to go to the schools. Offer to setup free labs with thin clients using LTSP. I would like to develop curricula, and lesson plans, with the help of teachers, and offer night classes on the topic. This is a lot of work but if the folks here in the Worcester LUG are willing to help I think it is achievable. On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 12:28, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > On 1 Aug 2003, Matt Higgins wrote: > > <snip> > MH> Further more I think It would be interesting to get involved with public > MH> schools in Worcester to promote the use of Linux. I put up a small page > MH> on my web site to address this topic, which I have called SLIPS > MH> (Supporting Linux In Public Schools). (btw.. I think the next LUG topic > MH> should include LTSP! I have this working in a vmware window using just > MH> one comp) > <snip> > > Matt, > > Do a google search on linux education -- there are some pretty > heavy-duty efforts under way to promote the use of linux in school > systems. There was a report on that in /. recently, too. > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 4, 2003