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Re: [Wlug] X is freezing

by Karl Hiramoto

I've had x lockups before in the past. Only thing that has solved it was upgrading X to the latest and having a driver fixup fix the bug. I could ssh in from another box and kill -9 the X process. Are you running the latest version of X? www.free86.org On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, Baris Hasdemir wrote: > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > I get X lockups, too. But when it happens, nothing works. No mouse, no > > keys, and I don't think I get increased cpu load. Only pressing the > > reset button works. I'm pretty sure it's due to a flaky power supply > > that puts out low voltages sometimes, and has on occasion rebooted > > itself for no apparent reason. I'll know for sure in about a week, when > > the new one arrives. > > > > let me tell some more about the frozen state. when this strange thing > happens I absolutely can move the mouse pointer. but nothing reacts when > moved over, or clicked on. > > more, when connected from another machine thorugh ssh, even if I kill > the application shown on the screen, although the application is killed. > (even not in Z state) it is still shown on screen as if nothing has > happened. it is more like a screenshot taken before the freeze. > > it seems like driver problem? would you think so? > > thanks, > baris > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree on. -- Napoleon Bonaparte, "Maxims"

July 28, 2003

Re: [Wlug] X is freezing

by Baris Hasdemir

Gregory Avedissian wrote: > I get X lockups, too. But when it happens, nothing works. No mouse, no > keys, and I don't think I get increased cpu load. Only pressing the > reset button works. I'm pretty sure it's due to a flaky power supply > that puts out low voltages sometimes, and has on occasion rebooted > itself for no apparent reason. I'll know for sure in about a week, when > the new one arrives. > let me tell some more about the frozen state. when this strange thing happens I absolutely can move the mouse pointer. but nothing reacts when moved over, or clicked on. more, when connected from another machine thorugh ssh, even if I kill the application shown on the screen, although the application is killed. (even not in Z state) it is still shown on screen as if nothing has happened. it is more like a screenshot taken before the freeze. it seems like driver problem? would you think so? thanks, baris

July 27, 2003

Re: [Wlug] X is freezing

by Baris Hasdemir

Adam Keck wrote: > Have you tried swapping the keyboard? Perhaps you have a flaky alt > key which eventually floods the Xserver with interrupts. > last week a whole glass of soda was spilled over my old keyboard ending with 4 dead keys. so I replaced it with a new keyboard. I don't think it's the keyboard. I had the problem then(before the spillage), and I still have it now. baris

July 27, 2003

Re: [Wlug] X is freezing

by Adam Keck

Have you tried swapping the keyboard? Perhaps you have a flaky alt key which eventually floods the Xserver with interrupts. -Adam On Sunday, July 27, 2003, at 03:27 PM, Baris Hasdemir wrote: > Hi, > > When uptime reaches around three days, somehow a weird situation is > happening. X usage suddenly jumps around 99% freezing the X > environment. X seems to have frozen, but I can move the mouse pointer. > Nothing else can be done. > > I log on to this machine from another one on the local area network > using ssh, and reboot it for a temporary solution. If I restart only > the X server, I believe it doesn't take that long to have the problem > again. a total reboot gives me another 2-3 days. > > as soon as it freezes, connecting to this machine from the other one, > I tried looking at the log files under /var/log several times. no > entry has been added to xfree log in the last 10-15 minutes. and the > files which have been modified in 15 minutes does not have any entries > relating to the situaion, at least to my knowledge. > > suspecting the ram of this partially new system, I checked my rams > with memtest-86-3.0. no problems are reported. > > suspecting the gdm, I tried without it as well. problem regenerates as > usual. > > I don't know whether it is related but, another strange issue I am > having is that: with or without gdm, sometime(not soon) after X login > "alt" key starts not functioning. for example, alt+shift cannot change > the keyboard layout or ctrl+alt+f{1-6} cannot take me to the consol > and of course I cannot kill the X server using ctrl+alt+backspace. > > motherboard: Asus A7N8X > cpu: AMD Athlon 2500+ > video card: creative tnt2ultra 2X > video driver: nvidia > distro: slackware 9.0 > ram: 512MB > swap: 256MB > > Do you have any ideas? where would you think I should start from? > > thank you, > baris > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 27, 2003

Re: [Wlug] X is freezing

by Gregory Avedissian

I get X lockups, too. But when it happens, nothing works. No mouse, no keys, and I don't think I get increased cpu load. Only pressing the reset button works. I'm pretty sure it's due to a flaky power supply that puts out low voltages sometimes, and has on occasion rebooted itself for no apparent reason. I'll know for sure in about a week, when the new one arrives. Greg Baris Hasdemir wrote: > Hi, > > When uptime reaches around three days, somehow a weird situation is > happening. X usage suddenly jumps around 99% freezing the X environment. > X seems to have frozen, but I can move the mouse pointer. Nothing else > can be done. > > I log on to this machine from another one on the local area network > using ssh, and reboot it for a temporary solution. If I restart only the > X server, I believe it doesn't take that long to have the problem again. > a total reboot gives me another 2-3 days. > > as soon as it freezes, connecting to this machine from the other one, I > tried looking at the log files under /var/log several times. no entry > has been added to xfree log in the last 10-15 minutes. and the files > which have been modified in 15 minutes does not have any entries > relating to the situaion, at least to my knowledge. > > suspecting the ram of this partially new system, I checked my rams with > memtest-86-3.0. no problems are reported. > > suspecting the gdm, I tried without it as well. problem regenerates as > usual. > > I don't know whether it is related but, another strange issue I am > having is that: with or without gdm, sometime(not soon) after X login > "alt" key starts not functioning. for example, alt+shift cannot change > the keyboard layout or ctrl+alt+f{1-6} cannot take me to the consol and > of course I cannot kill the X server using ctrl+alt+backspace. > > motherboard: Asus A7N8X > cpu: AMD Athlon 2500+ > video card: creative tnt2ultra 2X > video driver: nvidia > distro: slackware 9.0 > ram: 512MB > swap: 256MB > > Do you have any ideas? where would you think I should start from? > > thank you, > baris > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 27, 2003

X is freezing

by Baris Hasdemir

Hi, When uptime reaches around three days, somehow a weird situation is happening. X usage suddenly jumps around 99% freezing the X environment. X seems to have frozen, but I can move the mouse pointer. Nothing else can be done. I log on to this machine from another one on the local area network using ssh, and reboot it for a temporary solution. If I restart only the X server, I believe it doesn't take that long to have the problem again. a total reboot gives me another 2-3 days. as soon as it freezes, connecting to this machine from the other one, I tried looking at the log files under /var/log several times. no entry has been added to xfree log in the last 10-15 minutes. and the files which have been modified in 15 minutes does not have any entries relating to the situaion, at least to my knowledge. suspecting the ram of this partially new system, I checked my rams with memtest-86-3.0. no problems are reported. suspecting the gdm, I tried without it as well. problem regenerates as usual. I don't know whether it is related but, another strange issue I am having is that: with or without gdm, sometime(not soon) after X login "alt" key starts not functioning. for example, alt+shift cannot change the keyboard layout or ctrl+alt+f{1-6} cannot take me to the consol and of course I cannot kill the X server using ctrl+alt+backspace. motherboard: Asus A7N8X cpu: AMD Athlon 2500+ video card: creative tnt2ultra 2X video driver: nvidia distro: slackware 9.0 ram: 512MB swap: 256MB Do you have any ideas? where would you think I should start from? thank you, baris

July 27, 2003

RE: [Wlug] kernel choices in Debian

by Doug Geiger

You can install kernel 2.4 with Debian 3.0 - and that is exactly what I run on my server (bioradaition.net) I initally moved to 2.4 for iptables (v. ipchains) for the firewall, but given it is the current stable kernel - I see no reason to not use it. People that use 2.2 generally do so because they have already deployed it in some configuration, and don't want to make any unnecessary changes. While I obviously enjoy Debian, and prefer it for my personal machines - I will point out it has some deficiencies compared to SuSE, Mandrake, etc. Most notable of course, is the fact that the software in a stable release of Debian is considerably older than you will find in any current release of most other distributions. Also, it's installer is not nearly as easy as some of the commercial distributions. For someone that wants to try out Debian, but wants to step in to something a little easier to start with - I highly recommend Knoppix: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html -- Doug Geiger runexe(a)bioradiation.net http://bioradiation.net/~runexe/ If you're crossing the nation in a covered wagon, it's better to have four strong oxen than 100 chickens. Chickens are OK but we can't make them work together yet. -- Ross Bott, Pyramid U.S., on multiprocessors at AUUGM '89. GNU Privacy Guard Fingerprint: E06F 00C8 50D3 19FC 6F6B 3F56 6B76 0762 DD37 4686 > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org > [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Gregory Avedissian > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 4:40 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] kernel choices in Debian > > > I'm planning on wiping out my SuSE 7.2 installation and trying Debian > 3.0r0. The install manual says that kernel 2.2 is the default, and > kernel 2.4 is an option. I can't find anywhere that says why I should > choose one over the other. My SuSE is already using 2.4. > Seems like it > would be a step backward to install the default 2.2. Any ideas or > suggestions? Thanks. > > Greg > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 26, 2003

kernel choices in Debian

by Gregory Avedissian

I'm planning on wiping out my SuSE 7.2 installation and trying Debian 3.0r0. The install manual says that kernel 2.2 is the default, and kernel 2.4 is an option. I can't find anywhere that says why I should choose one over the other. My SuSE is already using 2.4. Seems like it would be a step backward to install the default 2.2. Any ideas or suggestions? Thanks. Greg

July 26, 2003

Re: [Wlug] SCO is getting greedy...

by Bill Smith

Le Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:40:30 -0400, « "Clint Moyer" <cdmoyer(a)charter.net> » a écrit: CM> To further muddy the waters, Novell (from whom SCO bought CM> Unix and Unixware) claims that it still owns the copyright CM> to the code: CM> CM> http://news.com.com/2100-1016-1010569.html?tag=nl The kicker is that this may be a bit outdated. I don't pretend to fully understand copyright law to any real extent, but it seems that SCO has recently applied for the copyright registrations, so it looks like Novell may be nudged out of the loop. CM> Here's ESR's take on the issue: CM> CM> http://www.catb.org/~esr/hackerlore/sco-vs-ibm.html I remember reading that a while ago. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "Motherhood is not for the faint-hearted. Frogs, skinned knees and the insults of teenage girls are not meant for the wimpy." -- Danielle Steel * TAG! v3.1 *

July 22, 2003

Re: [Wlug] SCO is getting greedy...

by Clint Moyer

To further muddy the waters, Novell (from whom SCO bought Unix and Unixware) claims that it still owns the copyright to the code: http://news.com.com/2100-1016-1010569.html?tag=nl Here's ESR's take on the issue: http://www.catb.org/~esr/hackerlore/sco-vs-ibm.html On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:59:34 -0400 Bill Smith <wsmith(a)chezsmith.com> wrote: >I got this as part of a mailing list for Information >Week. I thought >you would find it interesting. > >It's worth noting that SCO is working on THEIR SAY-SO. > It is my >personal opinion that any company that cowers and pays >SCO just >because they are using Linux is foolish. IANAL. It >would be very much >like some company deciding they wanted to bill you for >services they >didn't render. Would YOU pay that bill? > >If you haven't been following this story, SCO is the >current owner of >the Unix source code. They CLAIM that some of the System >V source code >made it into the Linux kernel, a claim that has not yet >been >substantiated. SCO has not (yet) publicly shown their >"evidence". To >date, the only way to see the source of their claims (no >pun intended) >is to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA). Many of the >people that >have agreed to SCO's requirements aren't technically >savvy. Most of the >people that WOULD know what they were looking at are >either not >interested in signing anything (like an NDA), or they >just don't think >that SCO has a leg to stand on. > >SCO themselves think that most of the Linux community >will laugh in >their (SCO's) face. I am proud to say that I am one of >the people >laughing. ;) > >ANYWAY, here's the teaser and the link to the article: > > >SCO Group Wants Its Money >With Unix System V copyrights in hand, the vendor >introduced a >plan to charge those who've used Linux as an alternative >to Unix >for UnixWare licenses. >http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/eMu10FEZ5Z0V20B4bt0AU > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > William Smith > wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com > Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com > > "And 1.1.81 is officially BugFree(tm), so if you > receive any bug-reports on it, you know they are >just > evil lies." -- Linux Torvalds > * TAG! v3.1 * >

July 22, 2003