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Re: [Wlug] A bit off topic - phpnuke et al.

by mhughes＠wpidalamar.com

There is some weirdness with GPL'ness of the project.. Lawmeme got dinged by phpnuke a while back... unfortunatly I can't seem to connect to them right now. here's an article that references it ... http://news.postnuke.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=… Basically phpnuke has a copyright notice it outputs to every single request. The phpNuke author says you MUST keep this in. The GPL has a provision that hints at this, but doesn't really seem to fit to me. It's all a bit whacky, and doesn't seem to me to be what the GPL is all about. -Marc On Thu, 1 May 2003, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > > 3. The last issue is a bit fuzzy. There are those who were reportedly > involved with the development of phpnuke who claim that the "author" has > "interesting ideas" about GPL and, according to them, believe that > phpnuke in the future may no loger remain GPL. > > So, looks like postnuke has picked up where phpnuke left off? The dig > continues... ;-) > > Steve > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

May 1, 2003

Re: [Wlug] A bit off topic - phpnuke et al.

by Stephen C. Daukas

Basically, it looks as though none of the "free" CMS software applications are actually turn-key out-of-the-box. Some offer a better base to work from than others, but everyhting I have seen in the last week or so has convinced me that you have to get under the hood in some way for some reason. Not that I'm done digging, but it looks like no matter which way you choose to go, you will have to do two things: 1. Write some of your own code, and 2: Gain some pretty intimate understanding of how the chosen system actually works so you can accomplish #1. If my guess is correct, I'll end up using Perl, PhP, mySQL, and probably WML on running on Linux/Apache. ;-) I am hoping to start with a project already out there and go from there... But I'll be digging around for a little while longer... Steve Brett Russ wrote: > Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > >> By way of FYI... In all of my digging, I have found a fair bit of >> information regarding phpnuke, most of it bad. >> > <snip> > >> So, looks like postnuke has picked up where phpnuke left off? The dig >> continues... ;-) > > > FWIW, I started off with postnuke after reading similar experiences. > This was a while ago but I was not impressed with it. I "fell back" to > phpnuke and, while I am not very impressed with it either, it does the > job. > > So it sounds like Zope requires quite a bit of programming just to get > running? Or is there a default setup that offers most of what people > need in a basic CMS? > > BR

May 1, 2003

Re: [Wlug] A bit off topic - phpnuke et al.

by Michael Long

If you are looking for a basic CMS you can check out Plone. It is a product that is installed in Zope and offers some very rich functionality "out of the box" There is also a large community that has written products for various speciallized needs. You will find bloggers, bugtrackers, polling products and many utilities that are available for implementation into your site. For more info go to www.zope.org www.plone.org I'll get off my soapbox now :)) --mike On Thu, 2003-05-01 at 11:14, Brett Russ wrote: > Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > > By way of FYI... In all of my digging, I have found a fair bit of > > information regarding phpnuke, most of it bad. > > > <snip> > > So, looks like postnuke has picked up where phpnuke left off? The dig > > continues... ;-) > > FWIW, I started off with postnuke after reading similar experiences. > This was a while ago but I was not impressed with it. I "fell back" to > phpnuke and, while I am not very impressed with it either, it does the job. > > So it sounds like Zope requires quite a bit of programming just to get > running? Or is there a default setup that offers most of what people > need in a basic CMS? > > BR > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Michael Long <mlong(a)datalong.com>

May 1, 2003

Re: [Wlug] A bit off topic - phpnuke et al.

by Brett Russ

Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > By way of FYI... In all of my digging, I have found a fair bit of > information regarding phpnuke, most of it bad. > <snip> > So, looks like postnuke has picked up where phpnuke left off? The dig > continues... ;-) FWIW, I started off with postnuke after reading similar experiences. This was a while ago but I was not impressed with it. I "fell back" to phpnuke and, while I am not very impressed with it either, it does the job. So it sounds like Zope requires quite a bit of programming just to get running? Or is there a default setup that offers most of what people need in a basic CMS? BR

May 1, 2003

Re: [Wlug] CD burning question...

by Charles R. Anderson

On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 10:51:01AM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: subssn594> md5sum file.iso subssn594> md5sum /dev/scd0 subssn594> Right? (I think I'm getting some errors while burning.) Yes, but I would do the second one this way: dd if=/dev/scd0 bs=2048 count=<iso file size/2048> | md5sum to prevent errors from trying to read past the end of the device. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

May 1, 2003

CD burning question...

by Bill Mills-Curran

If I burn a CD from an ISO, should I be able to duplicate the MD5SUM: md5sum file.iso md5sum /dev/scd0 Right? (I think I'm getting some errors while burning.) Thanks, Bill

May 1, 2003

Re: [Wlug] A bit off topic - phpnuke et al.

by Stephen C. Daukas

By way of FYI... In all of my digging, I have found a fair bit of information regarding phpnuke, most of it bad. Forgetting about robustness of code and security issues, it would seem that many of the folks involved with phpnuke left in protest to form postnuke. The few email conversations I have had indicate three issues with phpnuke: 1. The person responsible began representing the contributing developers code as his own. This caused susch a stir that the contributing developers went to the mandrake CEO to force the issue of giving credit to the developers. (Apparently mandrake has a hand in this in some way that isn't clear to me.) As a result, the word on the street is that development on phpnuke has dwindled... 2. Really bad security holes. Examples include chmod everything to 777 in the n-1 version, to security scripts being easily hacked (and owned by user nobody), to certain pages being endowed with super-user priveledges - all you had to do was enter the URL and you were in. Some claim phpnuke is fixed, others claim there are still major problems... My recent experiences with phpnuke where I work suggest the criticism is valid. 3. The last issue is a bit fuzzy. There are those who were reportedly involved with the development of phpnuke who claim that the "author" has "interesting ideas" about GPL and, according to them, believe that phpnuke in the future may no loger remain GPL. So, looks like postnuke has picked up where phpnuke left off? The dig continues... ;-) Steve

May 1, 2003