June 2002 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

Re: [Wlug] What are Lindows and Lycoris?

by George Metz

On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI all, > > Walmart is selling ultra-cheap PCs with Lindows on them (the PC is by > Microtel). The screen shots look alot like KDE. Lindows makes software > available for download on their website (the apps, not the OS) for a fee. This isn't from personal experience with them, but I know that Lycoris is Redmond Linux renamed. Lindows is supposed to be Linux with some Windows compatibility beyond that of Wine, but I don't know details. And yeah, that's KDE alright. Wal-Mart's actually selling systems with Linux installed and configured for real cheap. Pretty neat. -- George Metz Commercial Routing Engineer wolfstar(a)shadownet.wox.org "We know what deterrence was with 'mutually assured destruction' during the Cold War. But what is deterrence in information warfare?" -- Brigadier General Douglas Richardson, USAF, Commander - Space Warfare Center

June 28, 2002

Re: [Wlug] OT: Lindows

by Clint Moyer

On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:33:55 -0400 Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> wrote: >On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 07:18:01PM -0400, Michael >Frysinger wrote: >Off topic: By the way, any other Microsoft-haters out >there think Lindows >should have lost the infringement case? I mean, come on, >that name was >designed to be deliberately misleading. I'm sadly on >Microsoft's side on >this one. Course it's mostly bad for the poor sap who >doesn't know what >he's buying and tries to run actual applications on his >Lindows machine. > >It's also kinda dumb-sounding. "I know a geniune >Panaphonics when I see >it. And look, there's Magnetbox and Sorny!" > >Just a pointless rant... > > -Chuck No. You're right. Lindows is just another (destined to fail) money-making scheme of Michael Robertson of mp3.com fame. He's well known as a domain squatter: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,34893-2,00.html Apparently, he also has issue with the GPL: http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/04/11/148251.shtml?tid=23

June 28, 2002

OT: Lindows

by Chuck Homic

On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 07:18:01PM -0400, Michael Frysinger wrote: > Lindows was supposed to be a linux distro that ran > windows and linux applications. Off topic: By the way, any other Microsoft-haters out there think Lindows should have lost the infringement case? I mean, come on, that name was designed to be deliberately misleading. I'm sadly on Microsoft's side on this one. Course it's mostly bad for the poor sap who doesn't know what he's buying and tries to run actual applications on his Lindows machine. It's also kinda dumb-sounding. "I know a geniune Panaphonics when I see it. And look, there's Magnetbox and Sorny!" Just a pointless rant... -Chuck

June 27, 2002

Re: [Wlug] What are Lindows and Lycoris?

by Michael Frysinger

Lindows was supposed to be a linux distro that ran windows and linux applications. it was supposed to support all of windows in a linux environment without any hassle. the idea was to make linux for masses. with this distro, linux could finally break into the desktop market (at least the part of the market owned by the masses who dont know shit about linux, or even windows). well it hasnt worked out for them ;) wine (which is what lindows relys heavilty upon) still isnt to the point where it can emulate windows programs for the masses w/out the masses realizing they arent running windows. never heard of Lycoris -mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Stewart" <andystewart(a)attbi.com> To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 17:56 Subject: [Wlug] What are Lindows and Lycoris? > > HI all, > > Walmart is selling ultra-cheap PCs with Lindows on them (the PC is by > Microtel). The screen shots look alot like KDE. Lindows makes software > available for download on their website (the apps, not the OS) for a fee. > > I've also seen Lycoris, and on their website, they make passing references to > Redmond Linux. > > So, I ask the question, are these just some version of Linux "packaged for the > masses"? If not, what are they? Are there other similar products besides > Lindows and Lycoris? > > Thanks, > > Andy > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 27, 2002

What are Lindows and Lycoris?

by Andy Stewart

HI all, Walmart is selling ultra-cheap PCs with Lindows on them (the PC is by Microtel). The screen shots look alot like KDE. Lindows makes software available for download on their website (the apps, not the OS) for a fee. I've also seen Lycoris, and on their website, they make passing references to Redmond Linux. So, I ask the question, are these just some version of Linux "packaged for the masses"? If not, what are they? Are there other similar products besides Lindows and Lycoris? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

June 27, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Lilo :-)

by doug waud

Aaron Haviland wrote: > > doug waud said: > > Hi all > <snip info about that *other* lilo> > > > > Heh... When I saw the subject, I thought it'd be about lilo (Rob Levin, > head of operations at OpenProjects...). He's been making quite an > impression on just about everyone over there lately. > just a few: > http://openprojects.nu/ > http://www.lilofree.net/ > http://www.kainx.org/ > and one from a year ago: > http://crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey/2001q1/017271.html > > ahhh, don't you love politics? I was unaware of lilo/levin. Do you see him as a model for what will happen to our Andy as time goes on? :-) doug

June 27, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Lilo :-)

by Aaron Haviland

doug waud said: > Hi all <snip info about that *other* lilo> > Heh... When I saw the subject, I thought it'd be about lilo (Rob Levin, head of operations at OpenProjects...). He's been making quite an impression on just about everyone over there lately. just a few: http://openprojects.nu/ http://www.lilofree.net/ http://www.kainx.org/ and one from a year ago: http://crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey/2001q1/017271.html ahhh, don't you love politics? -- Aaron Haviland orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org orion [at] parsed [dot] net Someone is trying to thank me, he thought to himself. He wondered who, and for what.

June 27, 2002

Lilo :-)

by doug waud

Hi all On the TV lately I have heard a lot about Lilo. It seems to be in the context of something called Stitch. I am not clear on the details but Stitch apparently is some sort of extraterrestial with a bent to destroying everything it encounters. I assume the reference is, therefore, to Microsoft. The interesting thing about Lilo is that it never seems to be spelled LILO. The first letter is captialized so I assume there is some degree of case sensitivity involved. If any of you can decipher what all of this means perhaps you could fill me in! :-) I do notice that Disney seems to be involved so it would seem that Pixar is not the only place Linux seems to be making inroads. doug

June 27, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Installing Redhat on HP machines

by Hemstreet, Jeffrey

Thank you all for your help.... just wanted to let you know the outcome of the installs... On the HP Vectra, there appears to be some hardware issues, as Windows 2K boot floppy fails with a Boot I/O Error. This machine has been suspect, and I will probably scavenge it for parts (CD, Memory) (It has had some intermittent problems finding the HDD.) On the HP Kayak..... it's UP! I downloaded the new boot disk image from the email below, and the install ran without a hitch. It must not like the 7.2 standard boot image since it failed both from the install disk and from the boot floppy I made straight from the CDROM. (This was a CD burned from the WLUG installfest in February and it has installed faithfully on about a dozen machines.) Thank you again. jeff -----Original Message----- From: Charles R. Anderson [mailto:cra@WPI.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:49 PM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: Re: [Wlug] Installing Redhat on HP machines Have you tried booting the latest errata install disks? You can get them here: ftp://angus.ind.wpi.edu/pub/updates/7.2/en/os/images/i386/boot.img ftp://angus.ind.wpi.edu/pub/updates/7.2/en/os/images/i386/update-disk-200201 17.img Make sure you rawrite/dd them to brand new floppy disks, since if there is even a single byte error on the floppy disk, the install will fail. Boot the first one (boot.img) and see below... On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 06:25:44PM -0400, Hemstreet, Jeffrey wrote: jhemstreet> One is an HP Vectra (2Gb IDE, 56MB, P200). I can fdisk and select jhemstreet> packages, but when it goes to jhemstreet> format the disk to install the packages, I get a signal 11 fatal error. I jhemstreet> think there may be something jhemstreet> flaky with this system (HDD or memory problem?) Just wondering if anyone jhemstreet> else has seen this type jhemstreet> of failure and could give me any more insight. I plan on replacing the HDD jhemstreet> to see if that is the problem. It depends. Does the signal 11 always happen at exactly the same point? If so, that doesn't necessarily point to flakey hardware, but rather a software bug. If it IS random, then it does sound like a memory error. You can test your RAM with memtest86, available here: http://www.memtest86.com/ Another thing you can try is making sure the amount of memory is detected correctly by Linux (check the boot up messages of the Linux kernel). If not, you can force the correct amount by appending the mem option to the linux boot command line: linux updates mem=56M You need the "updates" bit to use the update-disk mentioned earlier. Insert the updates disk when it asks. jhemstreet> The other is a dual-300 PII HP Kayak with a SCSI Drive. I get a boot error jhemstreet> when trying to boot from the jhemstreet> CDROM or Install Disk. This system is currently running NT 5. Any ideas jhemstreet> why the boot would fail? Bad floppy disk and/or CD-ROM? How did you acquire your Red Hat 7.2 CD-ROM? If it isn't an official disk, then it might have been burned incorrectly. Red Hat recommends burning ISO's in Disk-At-Once mode, and checking the images and disks with md5sum to be sure they burned correctly. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 26, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Installing Redhat on HP machines

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:18:10 -0400 (EDT) > From: Bill Mills-Curran <subssn594(a)charter.net> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: "'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Installing Redhat on HP machines > <snip> > Jeff, > > I had a problem that sounds similar when installing on a Data General > Aviion (old, slow) machine. I was using one of the standard (server?) > installs. I tried a "custom" install, and everything went smoothly. > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > I was wrong about the machine (I have too many) -- I was installing on an HP Vectra VL, so my experience should be the same as yours. Bill

June 26, 2002