March 2002 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Aaron Haviland

Doug Geiger said: > Wow flame bait ;) > Since you asked for it, random comments/flames inline. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: discuss-admin(a)wpila.org [mailto:discuss-admin@wpila.org]On Behalf > > Of Chuck Haines > > > > I figured since I hadn't seen this on the list I'd post it. I recently > > (and by recent I mean 2 - 3 months) re-installed Linux on my computer. I > > was a very satisfied Slack8 user but I wanted something more. For one, I > > wanted a package manager. So I thought I might dabble into Debian (seeing > > how that is supposedly the premiere distro). But one problem existed, > > Debian still used binaries. I wanted everything compiled from source so > > it was optimized for my system (yes, I am a geek and very proud of it). > > apt-get source <package> > And I believe you can do similar w/SRPMS. Though I'll give that if I was > going to go through all the trouble of compiling everything from source, > personally I'd just grab .tar.gz of it all. Hell why bother with a distro? > apt-get source <package> && cd <package>-* && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc ... but iirc, it's not really optimised. to do that, you need to rebuild certain packages without certain tweaks that debian throws in. something about enabling certain i586 stuff, but still making them work on i386? (which is why all the debs say i386 instead of iX86) (research...research...research....) ah, here: http://ibiblio.org/gferg/ldp/giles/repository/repository-7.html > > So I begin my install of Gentoo. Gentoo is still in late beta stages (the > > 1.0 release is scheduled for mid to late this month). The install was a > > little rocky, but unlike most linux distro's you can find the authors on > > their irc channel on opennetworks and they are a tremendous help. I have > > yet to have a problem that someone in that channel wasn't able to fix. > > irc.debian.org - I use it and enjoy it ;). > which is just an alias for OPN, last i checked :) -- Aaron Haviland orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org orion [at] parsed [dot] net http://debian.parsed.net ICQ: 43079202

March 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Brian J. Conway

> 'Course the REAL geeks just rewrite their own POSIX-like kernel from > scratch and start their own distro based on it ;P. No, the real geeks fork an existing project, add "Open" to the name, and start badmouthing the original project at the top of their lungs. ;-) -b

March 12, 2002

RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Doug Geiger

Wow flame bait ;) Since you asked for it, random comments/flames inline. -- Doug Geiger runexe(a)counter.clue4all.net http://counter.clue4all.net/~runexe/ If you're crossing the nation in a covered wagon, it's better to have four strong oxen than 100 chickens. Chickens are OK but we can't make them work together yet. -- Ross Bott, Pyramid U.S., on multiprocessors at AUUGM '89. > -----Original Message----- > From: discuss-admin(a)wpila.org [mailto:discuss-admin@wpila.org]On Behalf > Of Chuck Haines > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 2:39 PM > To: discuss(a)wpila.org; wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro > > > I figured since I hadn't seen this on the list I'd post it. I recently > (and by recent I mean 2 - 3 months) re-installed Linux on my computer. I > was a very satisfied Slack8 user but I wanted something more. For one, I > wanted a package manager. So I thought I might dabble into Debian (seeing > how that is supposedly the premiere distro). But one problem existed, > Debian still used binaries. I wanted everything compiled from source so > it was optimized for my system (yes, I am a geek and very proud of it). apt-get source <package> And I believe you can do similar w/SRPMS. Though I'll give that if I was going to go through all the trouble of compiling everything from source, personally I'd just grab .tar.gz of it all. Hell why bother with a distro? > So I went searching for my distro. I searched and searched and just when > I thought I wasn't going to find it, I found a distro called Sorcerer > linux. WOW, I thought to myself, this does what I wanted. So I > downloaded and installed it. I still hate it to this day. So then I > continued my search and stubbled upon Gentoo linux on Slashdot. After > being disappointed with Sorcerer, I wasn't expecting much, but little to > my knowledge this distro would turn out the be the best distro I've ever > tried (and I've tried close to 100 distro's of both unix and linux > flavor). Damn, 100? How much free time do you have? > So I begin my install of Gentoo. Gentoo is still in late beta stages (the > 1.0 release is scheduled for mid to late this month). The install was a > little rocky, but unlike most linux distro's you can find the authors on > their irc channel on opennetworks and they are a tremendous help. I have > yet to have a problem that someone in that channel wasn't able to fix. irc.debian.org - I use it and enjoy it ;). > Not to mention, some of the authors went here to WPI as they commented > when they saw I was from WPI. This distro has it all. It has an amazing > package management system which is simple to use and VERY powerful. Plus > is compiles everything from source which means that your system is 100% > optimized for your system (and yes it evern recompiles the gcc and stuff > so that it is optimized), although you can now use bninaries optimized > for i586. Not to mention you compile the kernel at install time > so there is no more "stock" kernel business. You can get to > business right away. Also, gentoo will only install what you want, making > this as small or large of a system as you wish. IMHO, this is the best > distro on the "market" today. I have even begun some devlopment for it. Have you tried LinuxFromScratch? I remember talking to you about it... > Just thought I'd share some thoughts on the newest distro of my liking. > If anyone is interested, their website is, http://www.gentoo.org. They > can also be found on irc at us.openprojects.net, channel #gentoo. I'm in > the channel a lot so look for termleech or termr00t. 'Course the REAL geeks just rewrite their own POSIX-like kernel from scratch and start their own distro based on it ;P. > Thoughts, comments, and flames are welcome. > > ---------------------- > | Chuck Haines | > | GDC Webmaster | > | chaines(a)wpi.edu | > | AOL IM: CyberGrex | > ---------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss(a)wpila.org > http://wpila.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >

March 12, 2002

Re: shutting down SuSE 7.3 via KDE

by doug waud

Hi Pierce Barnard wrote > Hello Andy, the error occurs when I log out of KDE. Then at the Linux > desktop login window, I select shutdown, I have the impression KDE can do a lot of funny things. I suggest you try shutting down by CTRL/ALT/F! to a command line and then typing shutdown -r now (or -h if that is your objective) I suspect this will work ok. If it does, then you will be confirming my suspicions and you can focus on blaming KDE and not Linux :-) doug

March 12, 2002

Gentoo Linux Distro

by Chuck Haines

I figured since I hadn't seen this on the list I'd post it. I recently (and by recent I mean 2 - 3 months) re-installed Linux on my computer. I was a very satisfied Slack8 user but I wanted something more. For one, I wanted a package manager. So I thought I might dabble into Debian (seeing how that is supposedly the premiere distro). But one problem existed, Debian still used binaries. I wanted everything compiled from source so it was optimized for my system (yes, I am a geek and very proud of it). So I went searching for my distro. I searched and searched and just when I thought I wasn't going to find it, I found a distro called Sorcerer linux. WOW, I thought to myself, this does what I wanted. So I downloaded and installed it. I still hate it to this day. So then I continued my search and stubbled upon Gentoo linux on Slashdot. After being disappointed with Sorcerer, I wasn't expecting much, but little to my knowledge this distro would turn out the be the best distro I've ever tried (and I've tried close to 100 distro's of both unix and linux flavor). So I begin my install of Gentoo. Gentoo is still in late beta stages (the 1.0 release is scheduled for mid to late this month). The install was a little rocky, but unlike most linux distro's you can find the authors on their irc channel on opennetworks and they are a tremendous help. I have yet to have a problem that someone in that channel wasn't able to fix. Not to mention, some of the authors went here to WPI as they commented when they saw I was from WPI. This distro has it all. It has an amazing package management system which is simple to use and VERY powerful. Plus is compiles everything from source which means that your system is 100% optimized for your system (and yes it evern recompiles the gcc and stuff so that it is optimized), although you can now use bninaries optimized for i586. Not to mention you compile the kernel at install time so there is no more "stock" kernel business. You can get to business right away. Also, gentoo will only install what you want, making this as small or large of a system as you wish. IMHO, this is the best distro on the "market" today. I have even begun some devlopment for it. Just thought I'd share some thoughts on the newest distro of my liking. If anyone is interested, their website is, http://www.gentoo.org. They can also be found on irc at us.openprojects.net, channel #gentoo. I'm in the channel a lot so look for termleech or termr00t. Thoughts, comments, and flames are welcome. ---------------------- | Chuck Haines | | GDC Webmaster | | chaines(a)wpi.edu | | AOL IM: CyberGrex | ----------------------

March 12, 2002

Re: Wlug digest, Vol 1 #267 - 4 msgs

by Pierce C. Barnard

At 12:01 PM 3/11/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Question (Pierce C. Barnard) > 2. Re: Question (Andy Stewart) > 3. Re: Chart generation tools (John Stoffel) > 4. Re: Chart generation tools (Charles R. Anderson) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 21:09:58 -0500 >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >From: "Pierce C. Barnard" <pcbarnard(a)earthlink.net> >Subject: [Wlug] Question >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Hi, I recently purchased SuSE V7.3 and when I shut it down, it hangs while >shutting down all of the system processes. How can I fix this problem with >the shut down proceedure? > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >charset="iso-8859-1" >From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)attbi.com> >Organization: Worcester Linux Users' Group >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Question >Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 21:34:17 -0500 >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >On Sunday 10 March 2002 09:09 pm, you wrote: > > Hi, I recently purchased SuSE V7.3 and when I shut it down, it hangs > > while shutting down all of the system processes. How can I fix this > > problem with the shut down proceedure? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >Hi Pierce, > >I am a SuSE user. I would like to help, but I believe that I need more >information in order to give you an accurate answer. > >Exactly which command are you using to shutdown the system? Can you send >along a snippet of the last few lines of output on the terminal before it >hangs? Does it always hang in the same place? With this type of >information, I believe that the problem can be diagnosed. > >See ya later, > >Andy > >-- >Andy Stewart >Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA, USA >http://www.wlug.org Hello Andy, the error occurs when I log out of KDE. Then at the Linux desktop login window, I select shutdown, and then SuSE is shutting down, it hangs at the point where the drive shares are umounted and then inet says that the system will be halted immediately. It is at this point that SuSE will say that runtime level 0 has been reached, that it has stopped completely. At this point, the system is still running and I can not turn it off, except by turning the power off. What do you think is causing this to happen? and I will be at the WLUG meeting on this Wednesday. Thank you.

March 12, 2002

REMINDER: Upcoming WLUG meeting

by Andy Stewart

Hi everybody, This is a friendly reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting to be held on Wednesday, March 13th at 7 PM. Please note: the meeting room is DIFFERENT this month. We will be located in Perreault Hall in Fuller Labs (the same place as the January meeting). Directions can be found on the WLUG website. There is an opening for a speaker at this meeting, so if you have something you'd like to present to the group, bring it along and I'll turn over the floor to you. I received a couple of raffle items from the folks at http://theKompany.com. I will have available a copy of Quanta Gold as well as a copy of Power Plant. You can read more about these software packages at theKompany's website. I was told by a company representative that if we wanted to arrange a group purchase of software that we would receive a discount. Please contact me directly if this is of interest to you. After the meeting, we'll make our monthly pilgrimage to the Boynton Restaurant for pizza and beers, and more Linux talk. See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

March 12, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Chart generation tools

by Charles R. Anderson

On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 09:27:09AM -0500, John Stoffel wrote: stoffel> I'm familiar with MRTG (and RRDtool) but since I have more than one stoffel> input data set (i.e. I want to record the size and times of multiple stoffel> different backup groups), they're not quite what I want. Have you looked at Cricket? It also uses RRDtool, but is much more extensible and configurable than MRTG. stoffel> I also need to keep detailed info over time, which MRTG doesn't do, stoffel> since it start averaging data and coalescing it. You could always back up the daily RRDtool databases, and keep a history of them. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

March 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Chart generation tools

by John Stoffel

Mike> If yer looking for something that'll aggregate and age out the Mike> data, and produce daily, weekly, monthly and yearly graphs, Mike> check MRTG I'm familiar with MRTG (and RRDtool) but since I have more than one input data set (i.e. I want to record the size and times of multiple different backup groups), they're not quite what I want. I also need to keep detailed info over time, which MRTG doesn't do, since it start averaging data and coalescing it. But thanks for the hints! John

March 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Question

by Andy Stewart

On Sunday 10 March 2002 09:09 pm, you wrote: > Hi, I recently purchased SuSE V7.3 and when I shut it down, it hangs > while shutting down all of the system processes. How can I fix this > problem with the shut down proceedure? > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Hi Pierce, I am a SuSE user. I would like to help, but I believe that I need more information in order to give you an accurate answer. Exactly which command are you using to shutdown the system? Can you send along a snippet of the last few lines of output on the terminal before it hangs? Does it always hang in the same place? With this type of information, I believe that the problem can be diagnosed. See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

March 11, 2002