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RE: [Wlug] (off topic) high speed internet access in shrewsbury

by Mike

Verizon is the ILEC (Incumbent local exchange carrier) for this area and I think that there can only be one ILEC. The other companies are the CLECs (Competitive local exchange carrier). Personally I do not know about any CLECs for "local" phone service in this area but I have never sought them out ether. Nationwide there have been a few start-up CLECs for local service after the deregulation of the telecommunications industry but only a few of them survived (same with the dsl providers). They all faced the same problem of needing to use the ILEC's premises and wires. Although the deregulation process required the ILECs to allow this it didn't stop them from making it difficult for the new CLECs often times pushing court cases for such a time that the start-up went out of business before it could actually start up. I guess the big boys don't like the competition! > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:25 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] (off topic) high speed internet access in shrewsbury > --cut-- > > madcateast> > I am thinking of switching my local phone line > provider, perhaps another > madcateast> > company may provide DSL on my telephone line? Am I > correct? Or if > madcateast> > verizon cannot do it, none of them can do it? > > Can you do this? Most locations only have one ILEC (Verizon in > our case) which > owns all the copper loops. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] (off topic) high speed internet access in shrewsbury

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 03:09:59PM -0500, Mike wrote: madcateast> If Verizon doesn't offer DSL, I don't think anybody else can (they use madcateast> Verizon premises and equipment). Not true. Verizon always supplies the local loop, but they might not have the right equipment in a particular CO to provide DSL (a DSLAM). A CLEC (like Covad) might have the equipment in that CO. I know of at least one location where Verizon DSL wasn't available, but Speakeasy DSL was. madcateast> > I am thinking of switching my local phone line provider, perhaps another madcateast> > company may provide DSL on my telephone line? Am I correct? Or if madcateast> > verizon cannot do it, none of them can do it? Can you do this? Most locations only have one ILEC (Verizon in our case) which owns all the copper loops. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Feb. 19, 2002

RE: [Wlug] (off topic) high speed internet access in shrewsbury

by Mike

If Verizon doesn't offer DSL, I don't think anybody else can (they use Verizon premises and equipment). On the other hand I do live in Shrewsbury and over all like the service very much. If you have cable service the cost with a modem was $45 for a 100k up load and 512k (64KB) down load limit. I feel that in practice the net doesn't offer much more speed than that most of the time unless the conditions are perfect and it is a large down load. Surfing pages, email, etc won't see a faster speed than that. So I don't feel that the limitation is all that significant. (other people with known faster potential connections my rebut this to add to my experience!). As far as the 2 gig limit I am willing to bet that I exceed this but I have never heard from them about it. Granted I do follow the rules about not running services on the system but I do have 5 systems behind a firewall along with a wireless network for my notebook. As far as the service it is rarely down. A few planned outages (early in the AM) for upgrades and maintenance is about it. Everything does work well. I would take the service over a modem any day and have no problems compared to people that I know with Verizon DSL (even SNET for that matter in CT which is also a PPPOE connection). Mike LaPointe Full time truck driver, Part time wanna-be sysadmin. > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Baris Hasdemir > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:10 AM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] (off topic) high speed internet access in shrewsbury > > > Hi, > > I apologize for my slightly off topic question. But I need help on this > subject. > > I want to have high speed internet access that I can use with linux > without any problems. I mean I don't want to use PPPoE, if possible. I > live in Shrewsbury. Unfortunately verizon can not afford 'dsl'izing our > telephone line. (strange that my next door qualifies for DSL while we > can not) > > I am thinking of switching my local phone line provider, perhaps another > company may provide DSL on my telephone line? Am I correct? Or if > verizon cannot do it, none of them can do it? > > Speaking about the cable choice, 'townisp' of Shrewsbury charges $50 for > a month of access with a speed limit of 25-30 KB/sec and a setup charge > of $99. and also a download limit of 2GB a month which is a real > drawback if you like to test new distributions like myself. I do not > think that their offer is attractive, am I wrong? > > Anyways..., being new in the US I need recommendations on which way to > go for high speed internet access. I hope there are some people on this > list living in Shrewsbury and do have high speed internet access despite > Verizon Company. :) > > Thank you very much, > baris > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 19, 2002

(off topic) high speed internet access in shrewsbury

by Baris Hasdemir

Hi, I apologize for my slightly off topic question. But I need help on this subject. I want to have high speed internet access that I can use with linux without any problems. I mean I don't want to use PPPoE, if possible. I live in Shrewsbury. Unfortunately verizon can not afford 'dsl'izing our telephone line. (strange that my next door qualifies for DSL while we can not) I am thinking of switching my local phone line provider, perhaps another company may provide DSL on my telephone line? Am I correct? Or if verizon cannot do it, none of them can do it? Speaking about the cable choice, 'townisp' of Shrewsbury charges $50 for a month of access with a speed limit of 25-30 KB/sec and a setup charge of $99. and also a download limit of 2GB a month which is a real drawback if you like to test new distributions like myself. I do not think that their offer is attractive, am I wrong? Anyways..., being new in the US I need recommendations on which way to go for high speed internet access. I hope there are some people on this list living in Shrewsbury and do have high speed internet access despite Verizon Company. :) Thank you very much, baris

Feb. 19, 2002