February 2002 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

Re: [Wlug] Killer Apps Image.

by Theo Van Dinter

On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 08:50:57AM -0500, Frank Sweetser wrote: > - Aside from the whole "email is TEXT goddamnit" argument (which I happen to > agree with) have you seen some of the sludge that some of these mailreaders > generate and label as HTML? Here here! I used to just bounce HTML-only messages with a "polite" note explaining that the sender's mail program was misconfigured, and I left the text/html alternate mails (the "proper" way to send HTML email) alone. Then I found a script from Randal Schwartz which filters the alternate mails and strips out the HTML section. So I still can read the message, but my system doesn't have to bother storing that HTML section that I won't be using. I then changed my bounce procmail recipe to use a new script I wrote (based on Randal's code) that replaces the HTML-only email contents with a text-ified version spit out of lynx. If you're interested in these scripts (and some tips on filtering out spam...,) you can find it all at: http://www.kluge.net/mailfiltering/ :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Fact: There are n+1 zucchinis in the universe.

Feb. 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Killer Apps Image.

by Charles R. Anderson

On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 12:59:30AM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: andystewart> ...or Chuck has to get a modern e-mail tool....... :-) Over my dead webserver :) Ever hear of web-bugs? -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Feb. 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Killer Apps Image.

by Doug Chamberlin

At 02/13/2002 08:50 AM (Wednesday), Frank Sweetser wrote: >On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:22:07AM -0500, Aaron Haviland wrote: > > ...or he could just configure it properly :-) > >It is configured properly, IMO. I agree. Stick to plain text, please!

Feb. 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Killer Apps Image.

by Frank Sweetser

On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:22:07AM -0500, Aaron Haviland wrote: > ...or he could just configure it properly :-) It is configured properly, IMO. - Aside from the whole "email is TEXT goddamnit" argument (which I happen to agree with) have you seen some of the sludge that some of these mailreaders generate and label as HTML? - If the sender's email app is set up properly, even if it is sending an HTML version it should at least have the courtesy to include a plain text version as well. - I read my email through a web frontend ocasionally. I have it configured to only read the text portion of the message, because I'm usually using it from something other than my own machine, so I have no idea if it even has basic security precautions against HTML viruses/trojans/etc in place. - Going text -> HTML increases bandwidth needed (by 3 or 4 times with some of the "let's explicitly wrap everything in every tag we can think of" jobs I've seen - there's a reason the program to beautify FP output is called demoroniser), but rarely adds little additional content. Why waste bandwidth? -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 16 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | I went to the eye doctor and found out I needed glasses for reading. So, I got some flip-up contact lenses. -- Stephen Wright

Feb. 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Killer Apps Image.

by Aaron Haviland

begina Andy Stewart quotation: > On Tuesday 12 February 2002 12:40 pm, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > > Please turn off HTML in your mail program. Thanks. > > > > On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 05:27:45PM +0000, luke macneil wrote: > > > > [-- text/html is unsupported (use 'v' to view this part) --] > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > ...or Chuck has to get a modern e-mail tool....... :-) ...or he could just configure it properly :-) ( hint, put "auto_view text/html" in your .muttrc and make sure you have an entry in /etc/mailcap for text/html. i have: text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -force_html '%s'; needsterminal; description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -dump -force_html '%s'; copiousoutput; description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html ) -- Aaron Haviland orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org orion [at] parsed [dot] net man-do-lin!

Feb. 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Newbie Answer.

by Gregory Avedissian

Aaron Haviland wrote: > I'd definitely recommend -t vfat over -t msdos, and /etc/fstab over /etc/rc* > As it turns out, I couldn't find rc.local, so I went with /etc/fstab. SuSE was already calling my dos and windows partitions 'vfat' so I didn't see any reason to argue with it. It worked the first time, too. Thanks, Greg

Feb. 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Killer Apps Image.

by Andy Stewart

On Tuesday 12 February 2002 12:40 pm, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > Please turn off HTML in your mail program. Thanks. > > On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 05:27:45PM +0000, luke macneil wrote: > > [-- text/html is unsupported (use 'v' to view this part) --] > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ...or Chuck has to get a modern e-mail tool....... :-) -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Feb. 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Newbie Answer.

by Aaron Haviland

begin luke macneil quotation: > [-- Autoview using /usr/bin/lynx -dump -force_html ''/tmp/mutt.html'' --] > > /etc/rc.d/rc.local is almost the equivalent to autoexec.bat in dos. > at your "mount -t msdos /dev/hd? /mnt/windows" line at the bottom of > rc.local, and after all > the startup processes are initialized, that file will run all commands > at the bottom. > > The file is written in code, but dont worry about that, just scroll assuming you call shell scripting code... > down to the end, and add your command. I'd definitely recommend -t vfat over -t msdos, and /etc/fstab over /etc/rc* -- Aaron Haviland orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org orion [at] parsed [dot] net This IS a sig.

Feb. 13, 2002

linux handheld question

by Wesley Allen

Hi all, Recently I've been thinking of picking up a linux-based handheld and I've always been interested in the agenda vr3. It seems that their phone numbers have been disconnected, but the web site still works, as does their e-mail server. Are they out of business? Did they just forget about their web site? Anyway, I've been thinking of saving up some cash and snagging one of the vr3's that show up on ebay constantly (just as a toy to have around). Has anyone used one? What do you think? Should I just save up a lot of cash and get a zarus? And can I run a palm emulator on zarus? Thanks. Wes

Feb. 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Killer Apps Image.

by Stephen Daukas

I agree. After all, its the content that counts. I too read from machines other than my own and not only is text only safer, its faster. Then again, using several foreign machines from time to time, some mailers don't give you the option to go text-only, but you usually have the option of sending plain text as well as the rest of the junk. ---- lug(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:22:07AM -0500, Aaron Haviland wrote: > > ...or he could just configure it properly :-) > > It is configured properly, IMO. > > - Aside from the whole "email is TEXT goddamnit" argument (which I happen to > agree with) have you seen some of the sludge that some of these mailreaders > generate and label as HTML? > > - If the sender's email app is set up properly, even if it is sending an HTML > version it should at least have the courtesy to include a plain text version > as well. > > - I read my email through a web frontend ocasionally. I have it configured > to only read the text portion of the message, because I'm usually using > it from something other than my own machine, so I have no idea if it even > has basic security precautions against HTML viruses/trojans/etc in > place. > > - Going text -> HTML increases bandwidth needed (by 3 or 4 times with some > of the "let's explicitly wrap everything in every tag we can think of" > jobs I've seen - there's a reason the program to beautify FP output is > called demoroniser), but rarely adds little additional content. Why > waste bandwidth? > > -- > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 16 > Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | > I went to the eye doctor and found out I needed glasses for reading. > So, I got some flip-up contact lenses. -- Stephen Wright > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailma

Feb. 12, 2002