October 2002 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

RE: [Wlug] backup recomendation

by Karl Hiramoto

That doesn't satisfy my need for daily incremental backups. A Hard drive a day is way too expensive :) On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Marc Hughes wrote: > I'm not sure if this is feasible at all, but could you use software raid > and mirror your normal disk to the removeable one? Just a wacky > solution that I thought of when someone mentioned LVM ... > > -Marc > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:04 AM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] backup recomendation > > > On Thursday 24 October 2002 9:55 am, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > What do people out there use for backup tools. Anyone use Amanda? Any > > > good? > > HI Karl, > > I use BRU at home for my backups on my SCSI TR5 tape drive and it works > great. > It is a commercial product and you can find more info here: > > http://www.tolisgroup.com/ > > Also, for a while I used Arkeia which seems to be more for professional > environments and not for home users. It is also a commercial product. > You > can find more info here: > > http://www.arkeia.com/ > > Later, > > Andy > > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø "People should have access to the data which you have about them. There should be a process for them to challenge any inaccuracies." -- Arthur Miller

Oct. 25, 2002

Linux

by Setag Lib

I hear linux is very good. Is this true? Where can I buy it? What is difference between RedHat and Linux? Regards, Setag

Oct. 25, 2002

RE: [Wlug] backup recomendation

by Marc Hughes

I just started using arkeia the other day, and I'm rather impressed so far. They give you a 2 client license of version 4.2 for free (so you can backup the server, and 2 linux or windows clients) if you're using a linux backup server. You can make backups to tape or disk with it. Plus it has a little bit of eye candy; while backups are running, you can log in with the gui client (java client that works on a bunch of platforms) and see the speed at which the backups are running in a speedometer style display ... Hey, what can I say, I like pretty things :) I'm not sure if this is feasible at all, but could you use software raid and mirror your normal disk to the removeable one? Just a wacky solution that I thought of when someone mentioned LVM ... -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:04 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] backup recomendation On Thursday 24 October 2002 9:55 am, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > What do people out there use for backup tools. Anyone use Amanda? Any > good? HI Karl, I use BRU at home for my backups on my SCSI TR5 tape drive and it works great. It is a commercial product and you can find more info here: http://www.tolisgroup.com/ Also, for a while I used Arkeia which seems to be more for professional environments and not for home users. It is also a commercial product. You can find more info here: http://www.arkeia.com/ Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] DRM/TCPA/Palladium

by Brian J.Conway

> > The problem I see is when you go out and buy a PC, blowout the > > partitions that have "longhorn" (MS's next OS) and install linux, > > reboot the machine and get this error at the POST screen: > > Of course, in this day and age you should be building your own. It's > a lot easier than it used to be and you get to pick and choose exactly > which components you want - hardware & software! Sure, but since Intel and AMD have both sworn themselves to support Palladium in their hardware, there aren't that many choices left in that area of the consumer market (VIA, I suppose). > > "TCPA Error: BOOT DEVICE DOES NOT CONTAIN VALID BOOT KEY" > > If something like this may comes to pass then you'll have to shell out > more dough for SCSI disks I guess. Not entirely bad...just more > expensive. The disks aren't the issue, it's having software that the Palladium-enabled BIOS says is okay to boot. Where it's booting from doesn't matter. Theoretically, of course. I wonder where I put my tinfoil hat. Brian J. Conway bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Oct. 25, 2002

RE: [Wlug] DRM/TCPA/Palladium

by Gary Hanley

On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Keller, Tim wrote: > The problem I see is when you go out and buy a PC, blowout the partitions > that have "longhorn" (MS's next OS) and install linux, reboot the machine > and get this error at the POST screen: Of course, in this day and age you should be building your own. It's a lot easier than it used to be and you get to pick and choose exactly which components you want - hardware & software! > "TCPA Error: BOOT DEVICE DOES NOT CONTAIN VALID BOOT KEY" If something like this may comes to pass then you'll have to shell out more dough for SCSI disks I guess. Not entirely bad...just more expensive. -- Gary

Oct. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] What's the tally for the installfest???

by Andy Stewart

On Thursday 24 October 2002 9:56 am, doug waud wrote: > Hi all > > >>In case no one shows, ..... > > If a cable is pulled out and nobody it there to > see it, does the electricity go off? :-) > > doug :-) :-) :-) -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Oct. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] backup recomendation

by Andy Stewart

On Thursday 24 October 2002 9:55 am, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > What do people out there use for backup tools. Anyone use Amanda? > Any good? HI Karl, I use BRU at home for my backups on my SCSI TR5 tape drive and it works great. It is a commercial product and you can find more info here: http://www.tolisgroup.com/ Also, for a while I used Arkeia which seems to be more for professional environments and not for home users. It is also a commercial product. You can find more info here: http://www.arkeia.com/ Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Oct. 25, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Installfest

by Michael Long

I have successfully booted into windows but found some interesting behaviors along the way. It appears that I must have swapped the hard drives at some point. The latest OS resides on hda1. Using YaST2 I added another boot definition pointing to windows on hdb1. FYI...YaST behaves differently when launched from within X than when launched from a shell with no X. After rebooting I get the lilo prompt to select an OS. I select windows and am then presented another lilo prompt (SuSE 7.0?) to select an OS. After choosing windows a second time, windows is successfully launched. This accomplishes what I need...but it would be nice to understand what is happening so I could get rid of the second OS prompt. Obviously I have done several installs on my system onto different drives. I have read the man page for lilo.conf and understood only a fraction of what it was trying to tell me. Can someone point me to some other resources that will help me to understand what is happening during the boot process? Thanks > Mike, > > You're almost home free. Take a gander at /etc/lilo.conf. You should see an > entry in there for booting windows and a timeout value. You should be able > to edit the file and install the changes by running lilo. > > Try man lilo for help. If still stuck, post your lilo.conf file... >

Oct. 25, 2002

RE: [Wlug] backup recomendation

by Brett Russ

> Then every month I'd like to take one of the full backups and put it > away for long term storage. > > My backup media is a 120GB IDE disks in a removable drive trays. > Take them home for off site storage. Are you reusing these drives or buying new ones every month? > One thing I'm trying now is: rsync the three servers to the local > 120 GB disk. From local disk create tar files. Bad part about it > is I have to store an extra 40GB on the disk of local copies of the > servers. I can't just tar over NFS, because the files on the server > may be changing as the tar is created. Tar bitches when that happens. I wonder if LVM would help you. You can create a snapshot in time of your filesystem and back that up without worrying about anything changing. There are of course many more possibilities, see http://www.sistina.com/products_LVM_publications.htm and check out the SuSe whitepaper. BR

Oct. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Installfest

by Wes Allen

ARRGH, ARRGH, DIE! DIE! Down Boy! ;-) On Thursday 24 October 2002 3:07 pm, Michael Long wrote: > Thanks to everyone for all the help. I was afraid I would have to drag > my computer to Worcester tonight to get this done. Instead I will arrive > without it. Since I have not learned how to do x-forwarding with ssh > yet, I will have to wait until later tonight to actually attempt this. > > --mike > > ps. This just goes to show you can make great progress with a little > heresy ;) > > > Mike, > > > > You're almost home free. Take a gander at /etc/lilo.conf. You should > > see an > > > entry in there for booting windows and a timeout value. You should be > > able to edit the file and install the changes by running lilo. > > > > Try man lilo for help. If still stuck, post your lilo.conf file... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > > > Behalf Of Michael Long > > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:22 PM > > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > Subject: RE: [Wlug] Installfest > > > > > > > > > I did not rejumper the drives. I believe I told SuSE to use the second > > > drive and ignore the first. I may be wrong about this since it was > > > awhile ago that I did the initial install. I do know that I > > > am not asked > > > whether or not to boot windows. Yast2 does have the ability to modify > > > lilo. This is either not stable or allows the users to screw > > > up because > > > Yast2 appears to be locked on my laptop after going into the > > > configuration tool :( > > > > > > Normally I would reject the idea of switching to Grub at this > > > point but > > > since SuSE 8.x is using it I am willing to entertain the idea. Being > > > that I am primarely a database/web developer and not a linux > > > programmer > > > how will Grub enhance my linux experiance? > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > Absolutely! I'm guessing you rejumpered the drives to make > > > > > > the second > > > drive > > > > > > > the primary. I'd recommend using grub as your boot loader. > > > > > > You can install > > > > > > > it in the MBR of the drive that has Windows on it, rejumper the > > > > > > drives, and > > > > > > > simply change /etc/mtab to reflect the new state of the world. > > > > > > > > Grub is nice, in that it allows you to tweak your boot "ini" file > > > > > > during the > > > > > > > boot process in case you made a mistake. Check out the HOWTOs at > > > > www.tldp.org on how to setup dual boot. > > > > > > > > --Skip > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > > > > > Behalf Of Michael Long > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:34 PM > > > > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Installfest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I neglected to mention one little detail. When I bought the > > > > > computer it > > > > > came with windows98 installed one harddrive and a second > > > > > > unformatted > > > > > > > > drive. I did a new install of SuSE onto the second harddrive. This > > > > > effectively made windows unavailable. I have not done > > > > > > anything to the > > > > > > > > first drive other than mount it as a fat partition. Would it > > > > > be possible > > > > > to resurrect this windows installation and have it live in > > > > > harmony with > > > > > my current installation of SuSE? > > > > > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, well, I'm a Pastor at a conservative church that > > > > > > think doctrine > > > > > > > > matters; > > > > > > > > > > > so naturally everyone thinks I'm a heretic. It's nice > > > > > > to pass the > > > > > > > > buck once > > > > > > > > > > > in a while ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know suse from a hole in the wall, so beyond editing > > > > > > > > > > /etc/lilo.conf > > > > > > > > > > > by hand and running lilo as root I can't help you. But it > > > > > > > > > > seems to me > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > yast should have something in it's workings to edit the > > > > > > > > > > boot config. > > > > > Let me > > > > > > > > > > > just say that I would be utterly shocked if it didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, since you're a newbie, you may want to backup > > > > > > > > > > lilo.conf via: > > > > > > mv lilo.conf lilo.backup > > > > > > > > > > > > and then read the man page on lilo.conf: > > > > > > > > > > > > man lilo.conf > > > > > > > > > > > > to edit your boot configuration by hand. Just remember if > > > > > > > > > > you go this > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > you'll have to run "lilo" to get the updated configuration > > > > > > > > > > installed. > > > > > > > > > > > Also, if you're going to install win98, MAKE SURE YOU > > > > > > HAVE A BOOT > > > > > > > > DISK. Win98 > > > > > > > > > > > will OVER-WRITE your mbr and lilo will be GONE. What you'l > > > > > > > > > > have to do is > > > > > > > > > > > after win98 is installed boot from your boot disk and > > > > > > run "lilo" as > > > > > > > > root in > > > > > > > > > > > the shell. That'll reinstall lilo on the master boot record. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anything I'm missing gang? > > > > > > > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 24 October 2002 12:17 pm, Michael Long wrote: > > > > > > > It is not easy being a heretic scum but someone has > > > > > > to do it... :) > > > > > > > > > > I am using SuSE 7.3 and would like to install windblows > > > > > > > > > > 98. I don't have > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 and NT does not support usb. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > > DIE, DIE, HERETIC SCUM! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, now that I've got that out of my system ;-) > > > > > > > > > > what distro are you > > > > > > > > > > > > using? I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know that Mandrake has a lilo conf tool that will > > > > > > > > > > basically do it for > > > > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Oct. 24, 2002