October 2002 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of graphs in redhat 6.2

by Sudhaker P

Hi, With reply to my previous mail I've figured out that Java "awt" is looking for some parameters in X-windows. I think the X is broken. I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me with fixing of X-windows. Thanks, Peram >From: "Sudhaker P" <perams27(a)hotmail.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of >graphs in redhat 6.2 >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0600 > >Hi Karl, >Thanks a lot for the response. >I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic log >java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > at >java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEnvironment.java:58) > at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown Source) > at >com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Unknown >Source) > at >jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.java:356) > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > at >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStubImpl.java:123) > at >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletContextImpl.java:761) > at >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletContextImpl.java:708) > at >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(ServletContextManager.java:252) > at >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:346) > at >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > at weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > >So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs could be >the reason and X might be broken. > >In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to install. >I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > >Thanks, > >Peram > > > > > > >>From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> >>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of >>graphs in redhat 6.2 >>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) >> >> >>are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? >> >>Get any errors on your command line? >> >> >>Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to verify >>that it is the kernel? >> >> >> >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: >> >> > Hi , >> > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The same >>program is >> > able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.16 but it >>fails >> > to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 on which it >>used >> > to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that something >>may >> > broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that doesn't seem to >> > help. >> > I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me in this issue with your >> > comments and suggestions. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Peram >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! >> > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wlug mailing list >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > >> >>-- >> >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø >>Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> >>Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 >>Cell: 508-517-4819 >>Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ >>Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ >>Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ >>KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ >>AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø >> >>Confirmed bachelor: >> A man who goes through life without a hitch. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

Oct. 30, 2002

RE: [Wlug] noseguy text

by Keller, Tim

As a side note, for you Matrix fans out there, so guy has a whole fortunes file that's matrix quotes (I know cause I have it installed...) It is not the spoon you bend, but your mind... there is no spoon. -----Original Message----- From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:felicity@kluge.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 22:18 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] noseguy text On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 09:07:32PM -0400, reavey wrote: > I would like to use noseguy but don't understand how it works?? > I have read it likes to run fortunes, and yet when I use either the text > files or .dat it won't read.Permission denial, chmod 777== can't execute > binary?? Regular text files are not parsed and it deadlocks. > What do you think? Should I write a program in python to parse a text > file(out of my ken). There is probably something stupid I can't see FYI: fortune has 2 files, the text file, and a "database" dat file which specifies how many fortunes there are, what offsets in the text file they're at, etc, etc. If you only edit the text file, fortune will get very confused. doing a "man strfile" will help you out. I also wrote a perl version (for the perl power tools project) which you can find on their website (do a google search for "perl power tools"...) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: We are Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated. (seen in someone's .signature)

Oct. 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Building RH7.3 server after 7.0 hacked -second request

by Jim Lund

Hi Dick, Did you add the local system's name to /etc/mail/local-host-names? jim > Modified /etc/hosts.allow on two of the servers, and restarted both > sendmails (not sure if that was needed) -- no change. > > This ONLY happens between my own RH7.3 servers, the sending sendmail > log says "DSN: Local configuration error" and "SYSERR(root): > <destination domain> config error: mail loops back to me (MX > problem?)" -- but I don't use MX records > > Any other differences after RH 7.0 ?? This all used to work between > two RH7.0 servers > > Dick > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Building RH7.3 server after 7.0 hacked -second request

by Peter Gutowski

On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 23:37, Richard Goodman wrote: > > SECOND REQUEST > Additional information > > This does not appear to be just a problem with server (A). I cannot send > mail between any of my three RH7.3 mail servers, but all will send mail > locally, and all will send to / receive from the outside world. > > I am using a RH7.3 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc except for commenting out the > DAEMON-OPTIONS line to allow outside mail, and turning off > FEATURE(`accept_unresolvable_domains') > > Is there some change to the sendmail in RH7.3 of which I am unaware that > could cause this? > ....... Dick, Did you add a 'sendmail: ALL' to your /etc/hosts.allow? (I believe that a big difference in sendmail between RHL 7.0 and 7.1 ff was linking against libwrap [TCP Wrappers]) -Peter Gutowski

Oct. 30, 2002

Building RH7.3 server after 7.0 hacked -second request

by Richard Goodman

SECOND REQUEST Additional information This does not appear to be just a problem with server (A). I cannot send mail between any of my three RH7.3 mail servers, but all will send mail locally, and all will send to / receive from the outside world. I am using a RH7.3 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc except for commenting out the DAEMON-OPTIONS line to allow outside mail, and turning off FEATURE(`accept_unresolvable_domains') Is there some change to the sendmail in RH7.3 of which I am unaware that could cause this? I would appreciate any suggestions of where to even look to solve this problem. ------------------------------ As some of you may recall from a mid-week email, two of my RH7.0 servers were badly hacked Tuesday about 5AM, and I lost ssh and think I received a trojan. Friday the hacking got worse - all outgoing mail was rejected as "relaying denied", so I decided to bite the bullet and format the drive and build a new server. This was made more interesting by the fact the RH7.3 wouldn't finish loading packages until I disconnected my second HD which previously held /var, and my web sites (tried 3-4 times) .. "Kernel unable to reread partition table on /tmp/hdc (device or resource busy)", then hung mid-package loading. Late Saturday afternoon I pulled the plug, and started a RH7.3 install. Midmorning I was done, including security patches and had no internet connection .. couldn't even ping from the server. Fortunately, it was just my ISP picking this time to be down for the first time in months. Now I have one remaining problem which over 8 hours of work has clarified, but not solved. For background, I have the just rebuilt RH7.3 server (A), and two other recently built RH7.3 servers (B) and (C) at a different location and each with its own static IP#, all running sendmail for one or several domains From A - incoming mail seems to be fine From A - I can send mail locally to several domain names that are on the A server From A - I can send email (such as this) out into the world Through A - I have several email addresses which are accessed by others from outside and send mail to another outside address in virtusertable or to an alias which is a list of outside addresses, and these are working From A - I cannot send mail to any of the domains at B or C When I try, I get this on the A sendmail log: Oct 27 19:02:56 bach sendmail[3693]: g9S02uO03693: from=<dick(a)goodman1.net>, size=316, class=0, nrcp ts=1, msgid=<p04310101b9e23f71eb3e(a)[192.168.1.9]>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=host9.goodman1.net [192.168.1.9] Oct 27 19:03:02 bach sendmail[3695]: g9S02uO03693: SYSERR(root): 11harvard.com. config error: mail l oops back to me (MX problem?) Oct 27 19:03:02 bach sendmail[3695]: g9S02uO03693: to=<r.goodman(a)11harvard.com>, ctladdr=<dick@goodm an1.net> (503/503), delay=00:00:06, xdelay=00:00:06, mailer=esmtp, pri=30316, relay=11harvard.com. [ 66.92.78.250], dsn=5.3.5, stat=Local configuration error Oct 27 19:03:02 bach sendmail[3695]: g9S02uO03693: g9S032O03695: DSN: Local configuration error Oct 27 19:03:02 bach sendmail[3695]: g9S032O03695: to=<dick(a)goodman1.net>, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00 :00:00, mailer=local, pri=60416, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent Oct 27 19:03:02 bach sendmail[3695]: g9S032O03695: to=root, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer= local, pri=60416, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent and this on the B or C sendmail log: Oct 27 19:03:47 boron sendmail[8627]: NOQUEUE: goodman1.net [207.224.28.49] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/ VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA The part about an MX loop seems similar to what I used to get when I first started using sendmail and would forget to configure /etc/mail/local-host-names, but this file, and access and virtusertable on (A) were backed up before the format and restored - and a make done to regenerate the db files. Here's a sample of the bounce message I get, just to be complete: From MAILER-DAEMON(a)localhost.localdomain Sun Oct 27 19:03:02 2002 Return-Path: <MAILER-DAEMON(a)localhost.localdomain> Received: from localhost (localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9S032O03695; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:03:02 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:03:02 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON(a)localhost.localdomain> Message-Id: <200210280003.g9S032O03695(a)localhost.localdomain> To: postmaster(a)localhost.localdomain To: <dick(a)goodman1.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="g9S032O03695.1035763382/localhost.localdomain" Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --g9S032O03695.1035763382/localhost.localdomain The original message was received at Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:02:56 -0500 from host9.goodman1.net [192.168.1.9] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <r.goodman(a)11harvard.com> (reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 553 5.3.5 11harvard.com. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?) 554 5.3.5 Local configuration error --g9S032O03695.1035763382/localhost.localdomain Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; localhost.localdomain Received-From-MTA: DNS; host9.goodman1.net Arrival-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:02:56 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; r.goodman(a)11harvard.com Action: failed Status: 5.3.5 Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 553 5.3.5 system config error Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:03:02 -0500 --g9S032O03695.1035763382/localhost.localdomain Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: <dick(a)goodman1.net> Received: from [192.168.1.9] (host9.goodman1.net [192.168.1.9]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9S02uO03693 for <r.goodman(a)11harvard.com>; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:02:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dick(a)pop.goodman1.net Message-Id: <p04310101b9e23f71eb3e(a)[192.168.1.9]> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:13:10 -0500 To: r.goodman(a)11harvard.com From: Richard Goodman <dick(a)goodman1.net> Subject: Test #3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" --------------------- Does anyone have any ideas, or requests for more information? I'm not doing too well after about 24 hours [now 3 days], and I'd really like to solve this mystery. Dick

Oct. 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] noseguy text

by Theo Van Dinter

On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 09:07:32PM -0400, reavey wrote: > I would like to use noseguy but don't understand how it works?? > I have read it likes to run fortunes, and yet when I use either the text > files or .dat it won't read.Permission denial, chmod 777== can't execute > binary?? Regular text files are not parsed and it deadlocks. > What do you think? Should I write a program in python to parse a text > file(out of my ken). There is probably something stupid I can't see FYI: fortune has 2 files, the text file, and a "database" dat file which specifies how many fortunes there are, what offsets in the text file they're at, etc, etc. If you only edit the text file, fortune will get very confused. doing a "man strfile" will help you out. I also wrote a perl version (for the perl power tools project) which you can find on their website (do a google search for "perl power tools"...) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: We are Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated. (seen in someone's .signature)

Oct. 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] noseguy text

by Chuck Homic

On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 01:54:45PM -0500, Michelle Vadeboncoeur wrote: > The xscreensaver package that includes noseguy is available here: > http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/ > > A "screenshot" of noseguy is available here: > http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/screenshots.html > According to this page, the noseguy for xscreensaver was extracted out of > xnlock . Thanks. I just wasted an hour. -Chuck

Oct. 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of graphs in redhat 6.2

by Sudhaker P

Hi Karl, Thanks a lot for the response. I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic log java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) at java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEnvironment.java:58) at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown Source) at com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Unknown Source) at jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.java:356) at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStubImpl.java:123) at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletContextImpl.java:761) at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletContextImpl.java:708) at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(ServletContextManager.java:252) at weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:346) at weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) at weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs could be the reason and X might be broken. In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to install. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. Thanks, Peram >From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of >graphs in redhat 6.2 >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) > > >are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? > >Get any errors on your command line? > > >Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to verify >that it is the kernel? > > > >On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: > > > Hi , > > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The same >program is > > able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.16 but it >fails > > to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 on which it >used > > to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that something >may > > broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that doesn't seem to > > help. > > I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me in this issue with your > > comments and suggestions. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >-- > >€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø >Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> >Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 >Cell: 508-517-4819 >Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ >Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ >Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ >KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ >AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto >€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø > >Confirmed bachelor: > A man who goes through life without a hitch. > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp

Oct. 29, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of graphs in redhat 6.2

by Sudhaker P

Hi Tim, Thanks for the reply. The version of JDK differ the version I'm having issues with is 1.3.1_01 and the ones the code is running successfully is 1.3.0_02, however the graphs were being produced before. The following is the Weblogic log which I'd appreciate if you can look at and tell what could be the issue in your view: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) at java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEnvironment.java:58) at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown Source) at com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Unknown Source) at jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.java:356) at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStubImpl.java:123) at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletContextImpl.java:761) at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletContextImpl.java:708) at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(ServletContextManager.java:252) at weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:346) at weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) at weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) I've done some reading and feel that awt uses X-windows and I think that might be broken. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. Thanks, Peram >From: "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: "'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of >graphs in redhat 6.2 >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:45:42 -0500 > >Peram, > >I'll ask an obvious question... You've verified that both machines running >the same version of the java run time environment? > >Also, does the entire applet fail or does it just fail to display the >graph. >If so, you might have to insert some code to catch exceptions... Possibly >some library has gotten mangled... > >Hope that helps, >Tim. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 14:35 PM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of >graphs in redhat 6.2 > > >Hi , >I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The same program >is > >able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.16 but it fails >to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 on which it >used > >to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that something may >broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that doesn't seem to >help. >I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me in this issue with your >comments and suggestions. > >Thanks, > >Peram > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

Oct. 29, 2002

Re: [Wlug] noseguy text

by Keith Wright

> From: Michelle Vadeboncoeur <mrv(a)kluge.net> > > On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Keith Wright wrote: > > KW> Though I have been running Linux almost exclusively for more > KW> than six years, but I have never heard of 'noseguy' > > I remember having noseguy as a screensaver option No wonder I've never heard of it. The original screensaver just blanked the screen when the terminal was not in use, to prvent the login: prompt from getting burnt into the phosphors. Good idea, but it was hard to tell if the power was on, so somebody had the idea of displaying a small randomly bouncing spot. You could see it was on, but it was still mostly black and no place got burnt by a static image. After that, it has been straight downhill. I've never purposely installed a screen saver, though I suspect that the amount of disk space wasted by the ones that get installed by default exceeds the total amount of space on all disks I used at my first three jobs. There's a classic Dilbert cartoon: PHB: We need a program to track the inventory, print bills and invoices, schedule manufacturing, and ensure that our customers can track the progress of their orders. Dilbert: That sound pretty difficult, what if I write a program that shows pictures of fish swimming around the computer screen? PHB: OK, do that. People like that, too. -- Keith

Oct. 29, 2002