October 2002 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

jsut a thought

by doug waud

Hi all After the neglegible turnout of "customers" for our most recent installfest there was some discussion aa to whether the day of the installfest is past and we should look for other ways to serve the community. In this context I found this morning's (Oct 31) T&G had an interesting article which may provice a template for what we might now do. In a nutshell they described (pages A1 and A11) the Atlantic Paranormsl Society who for the past 12 years send out teams to help people who are having trouble with "domestic disturbances like eerie noises and signs of spirit possession". Their website, http://the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/ gets 6000 hits a day from around the world" (they do not say whether setag lib is among them). They do not charge for their "work" and say "the rich and poor both need help" and say "Also how can you charge for something that cannot be proved to exist" (which does not seem to stop Micro$oft!). They have about 25 regular members, consult with a network of similar groups and gather at an eatery (Starbucks, not the Boynton). I suggest that, if you can find today's T&G you read the article since I cannot do justice to it here. For example, I learned about the taxonomy: Hauntings Human Intelligent spirits (they talk) Residuals (leftover energies condemned to repeat one small action from their lives) Poltergeists ("usually the spirits of young girls which make a racket and and can wreak havoc on property values") Inhuman Demons Incubuses Succubi Nature spirits Angles Apparently the human variety are the more "benign" while the others "can be viscious and deceitful", says "Never believe anything you hear from an inhuman haunting". Apparently other groups often get in over their heads and haveto call in his crew to "clean things up". (This is getting long; check out the T&G if you do not wish to miss the full picture.) Now I realixe some of this may sound scary but we would have the advantage that we could send Keith in first to scare the spirits! :-) So, instead of instalfests we could adapt to the times and move into deinstallfests! doug

Oct. 31, 2002

rpm lock-up

by Bill Mills-Curran

HELP! I seem to have done something very bad (SVB) to rpm. And, it seems to be painfully reproducible (I did it to two machines). Short explanation: 1. Do some rpm command (I was using "rpm -e", I think). 2. Ctrl-C out. You won't get the shell prompt back. Now, that user account can no longer do any rpm commands from any session -- it always hangs. You can kill -9 the existing rpm processes, but nothing I've tried helps until reboot. Longer explanation: 1. I wanted to upgrade a couple of packages: perl-GD and perl-Chart. I don't know where I got the old packages :-( , but I made some new ones of my own. 2. Instead of doing "rpm -F", I forgot that the perl modules were installed from an rpm in an older perl library area, and I deleted the module files (rm). (oops) (Is this clear?) 3. When attempting to install the new rpm's, I got error messages, so I tried "rpm -e" on the old package. That failed due to dependencies, so I added "--nodep" to the command. This was taking a long time (hung?), so I ctrl-c'ed out. Now all rpm commands (from the root account) hung. 4. I rebooted this morning. The rpm commands were working ok (at least "rpm -qa" worked), so I tried "rpm -F <packageFileName>" (as root), and it's hung. 5. From another window (also as root), "rpm -qa" hangs again. 6. From a different account, "rpm -qa" works fine. HELP! 1. How do I fix things and get my new packages in? 2. Is the database corrupted? 3. If the database is corrupted, how do I fix it? Thanks, Bill

Oct. 31, 2002

Sendmail 8.11.6 (was building RH7.3 after hack)

by Richard Goodman

I spent four hours on Google last night about this problem. Saw reports of the same messages, but not the same situation. SUMMARY: 3 separate servers upgraded from RH7.0 to RH7.3 - all can send/receive mail locally and to/from the outside world EXCEPT for/from each other - which was not a problem under RH7.0. Do not believe there are errors in config files, particularly /etc/mail/local-host-names, and I have read the part of the sendmail FAQ about "mail loops back to me" and it DOES NOT APPLY in this case. I've been through what sendmail documentation I can understand - can someone tell me what has changed somewhere prior to or at 8.11.6 which shipped with RH7.3 that might cause this? I have another identically hacked RH7.0 server which I hope to rebuild/upgrade tonight - it will be interesting to see if all FOUR servers have the same problem. I'm losing mail which is supposed to be forwarded between these servers. Dick

Oct. 31, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Sendmail 8.11.6 (was building RH7.3 after hack)

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Richard Goodman wrote: > Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:35:47 -0500 > From: Richard Goodman <dick(a)goodman1.net> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Sendmail 8.11.6 (was building RH7.3 after hack) > <snip> > SUMMARY: 3 separate servers upgraded from RH7.0 to RH7.3 - all can > send/receive mail locally and to/from the outside world EXCEPT > for/from each other - which was not a problem under RH7.0. Do not > believe there are errors in config files, particularly > /etc/mail/local-host-names, and I have read the part of the sendmail > FAQ about "mail loops back to me" and it DOES NOT APPLY in this case. > > I've been through what sendmail documentation I can understand - can > someone tell me what has changed somewhere prior to or at 8.11.6 > which shipped with RH7.3 that might cause this? > > I have another identically hacked RH7.0 server which I hope to > rebuild/upgrade tonight - it will be interesting to see if all FOUR > servers have the same problem. > > I'm losing mail which is supposed to be forwarded between these servers. > > Dick > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Dick, I fought throught this myself recently when going from RedHat 7.1 to 8.0. I believe (not sure!) that the change occurred in RedHat 7.3. 1. sendmail is broken up into 2 separate processes for security reasons. One is outgoing, the other is incoming. 2. /etc/sendmail.cf is no longer used. There are several files in /etc/mail to replace /etc/sendmail.cf. 3. The new *.cf files are generated from several macro-preprocessed files. You get to edit sendmail.mc and submit.mc. The documentation in /usr/share/doc/sendmail/README.cf is good, but long. 4. The *.cf files are generated by the macro files when you start the service. (See /etc/mail/Makefile.) 5. The file /etc/mail/access can define where your server will accept relay mail from. I used the access file to allow all my domain machines to be able to use my alias list. However, I suspect that I should be handling my aliases differently -- I haven't gotten around to figuring it out yet, but this now works. I wish I could help more, but I'm pretty green with sendmail. Bill

Oct. 31, 2002

RE: [Wlug] RH 7.2 - Installing and configureing openssl, modssl, apache, and php

by Setag Lib

Redhat has RPMS for apache, php, and ssl that all play nice together. Use those unless you have some weird requirement where you absolutly need to build your own. BUT, make sure to download the updated SSL libraries from RedHat! The ones on the CD have a remote exploit in them that you will want to close. If you do NEED to compile your own apache, ssl, etc ... then there is this nifty project called "The apache toolbox" http://www.apachetoolbox.com/ which makes the process much much easier. Since it can be difficult getting all those to work right, I'd suggest trying that. I'd un-install all of the current apache stuff you have before doing that.

Oct. 31, 2002

RH 7.2 - Installing and configureing openssl, modssl, apache, and php

by Aramico

Hi all, I've got a problem..... And this not a kind of beginner's problem....... Actually I'm developing a server with this defined need such as openssl, modssl, apache, and php. The problem is..... I've done these listed on my attachement step to install all my need.... -------------------------------------------------------- The results are like these both bellow...... 1. apache, php and its need runs well, but modssl and ssl are not workin'... ;( 2. apache with modssl is wrokin' fine, but the apache could not understand the php's need....... So, what is the correct step to get what i want.... What i want is only get apache, openssl,modssl,postgresql, and php's need installed....... Thanx.........

Oct. 31, 2002

microphone

by Wesley Allen

Hi gang, any ideas why my microphone wouldn't be working in linux. It's set as the recording device, but isn't recording. My sound card uses the maestro3 module (ES1988 Allegro-1 card). I'm doing a search, but was wondering if any of you have had this problem. Wes

Oct. 31, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation ofgraphsinredhat6.2

by Sudhaker P

Hi Marc, I'll do that. I'll install Xvfb and follow your instructions and will keep you informed on the results. Thank you for your patience and your help. --Peram >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >ofgraphsinredhat6.2 >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:04:48 -0500 > >Yup > >I believe it's on the RedHat CD's. > >-Marc > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:49 PM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >ofgraphsinredhat6.2 > > >Hi Marc, >Is Xvfb a software that I can download and install? > >-Sudhakar > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphsinredhat6.2 > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:40:55 -0500 > > > > > >So you're saying that you can use X on the machine, right? If so, I'd > >look > >other places for the problem. > > > >Double check that your DISPLAY is set properly and access is enabled. > >This > >was the exact same error message I used to get when java couldn't connect > >to the xserver. > > > >I find doing something like this: > > > >nohup Xvfb :1 -screen 0 800x600x24 & > >sleep 5 > >export DISPLAY=localhost:1 > >xhost + > >SERVERCOMMAND <- (Whatever you need to do to start the server) > > > >Is best since it uses a virtual x server instead of the real one. This > >works around your problem, but is probably the "correct" way to do it > >anyways. > > > > > >-Marc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:23 PM > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphsinredhat6.2 > > > > > >Hi Marc, > >The KDE for the server was not working for it so I fixed it, removing > >all the rpms and re-installing them, I even reinstalled "gd".So I was > >wondering if any other libraries related to X-server were broken too. > >My output for $ps auwx | grep X is as below > >root 14500 0.0 0.0 2220 980 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 /bin/sh > >/usr/X11R6/bin/startx > >root 14507 0.0 0.0 2344 668 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 xinit > >/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- > >root 14508 0.7 0.3 18156 7956 ? S< 09:44 1:07 /etc/X11/X > >:0 > > > >I'd appreciate your suggestions and comments in this regard. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:29 -0500 > > > > > >What do you mean when you say it seems broken? Are there other > > >symptoms besides the java connection to it? > > > > > >Can you sit down at the machine and use X? If this is a server, you > > >probably don't want that ability (that's where Xvfb comes in). What > > >Xserver are you running? > > > > > >If you "ps aux |grep X" do you see an xserver running? > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:46 AM > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > > > > > > > > >Hi Marc, > > >Thanks for the reply. > > >I agree with you Marc, it is a servlet(I'm sorry about that) and its > > >on the server. The display settings seems to be proper, but my X- > > >server seems to be broken. I'd appreciate if you can guide me to any > > >kind of information with the help of which I can fix the issue of > > >broken X-windows. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:16:11 -0500 > > > > > > > >I'm guessing this is a server (the errors you showed before made it > > > >look more like a servlet than an applet)... So are you running X? > > > >If so, when you start the server do you set your DISPLAY variable > > > >correctly? Does > > >the > > > >server process have access to the Xserver? > > > > > > > >If you're not running an Xserver, you need to. Weird, huh? > > > >Without a running X-Server the JRE can't do most graphical > > > >operations, even if > > >those > > > >operations never render to the display. It's a long standing issue > > > >that > > >a > > > >whole lot of people have complained about. What you can do is run > > > >Xvfb > > >... > > > >It's a non graphical X server. It just gives programs an Xserver > > > >to play with, and never displays the results of those programs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:08 AM > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > >With reply to my previous mail I've figured out that Java "awt" is > > > >looking for some parameters in X-windows. I think the X is broken. > > > >I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me with fixing of > > > >X-windows. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sudhaker P" <perams27(a)hotmail.com> > > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > > >generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0600 > > > > > > > > > >Hi Karl, > > > > >Thanks a lot for the response. > > > > >I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic > > > > >log java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEn > > > >vi > > > >ronment.java:58) > > > > > at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > > > > > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown > > >Source) > > > > > at > > > > >com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Un > > > > >kn > > > > >ow > > > > >n > > > > >Source) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.j > > > >av > > > >a:356) > > > > > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStub > > > >Im > > > >pl.java:123) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > > >on > > > >textImpl.java:761) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > > >on > > > >textImpl.java:708) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(Servl > > > >et > > > >ContextManager.java:252) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.j > > > >av > > > >a:346) > > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > > > > > at > > > > >weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > > > > > > > > > >So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs > > > > >could be the reason and X might be broken. > > > > > > > > > >In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to > > > > >install. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > > > >>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > > >>generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > > >>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? > > > > >> > > > > >>Get any errors on your command line? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to > > > > >>verify that it is the kernel? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hi , > > > > >> > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. 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Oct. 30, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation ofgraphsinredhat6.2

by Marc Hughes

Yup I believe it's on the RedHat CD's. -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:49 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation ofgraphsinredhat6.2 Hi Marc, Is Xvfb a software that I can download and install? -Sudhakar >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >of >graphsinredhat6.2 >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:40:55 -0500 > > >So you're saying that you can use X on the machine, right? If so, I'd >look >other places for the problem. > >Double check that your DISPLAY is set properly and access is enabled. >This >was the exact same error message I used to get when java couldn't connect >to the xserver. > >I find doing something like this: > >nohup Xvfb :1 -screen 0 800x600x24 & >sleep 5 >export DISPLAY=localhost:1 >xhost + >SERVERCOMMAND <- (Whatever you need to do to start the server) > >Is best since it uses a virtual x server instead of the real one. This >works around your problem, but is probably the "correct" way to do it >anyways. > > >-Marc > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:23 PM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >of >graphsinredhat6.2 > > >Hi Marc, >The KDE for the server was not working for it so I fixed it, removing >all the rpms and re-installing them, I even reinstalled "gd".So I was >wondering if any other libraries related to X-server were broken too. >My output for $ps auwx | grep X is as below >root 14500 0.0 0.0 2220 980 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 /bin/sh >/usr/X11R6/bin/startx >root 14507 0.0 0.0 2344 668 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 xinit >/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- >root 14508 0.7 0.3 18156 7956 ? S< 09:44 1:07 /etc/X11/X >:0 > >I'd appreciate your suggestions and comments in this regard. > >Thanks, > >Peram > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:29 -0500 > > > >What do you mean when you say it seems broken? Are there other > >symptoms besides the java connection to it? > > > >Can you sit down at the machine and use X? If this is a server, you > >probably don't want that ability (that's where Xvfb comes in). What > >Xserver are you running? > > > >If you "ps aux |grep X" do you see an xserver running? > > > >-Marc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:46 AM > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > > > > > >Hi Marc, > >Thanks for the reply. > >I agree with you Marc, it is a servlet(I'm sorry about that) and its > >on the server. The display settings seems to be proper, but my X- > >server seems to be broken. I'd appreciate if you can guide me to any > >kind of information with the help of which I can fix the issue of > >broken X-windows. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:16:11 -0500 > > > > > >I'm guessing this is a server (the errors you showed before made it > > >look more like a servlet than an applet)... So are you running X? > > >If so, when you start the server do you set your DISPLAY variable > > >correctly? Does > >the > > >server process have access to the Xserver? > > > > > >If you're not running an Xserver, you need to. Weird, huh? > > >Without a running X-Server the JRE can't do most graphical > > >operations, even if > >those > > >operations never render to the display. It's a long standing issue > > >that > >a > > >whole lot of people have complained about. What you can do is run > > >Xvfb > >... > > >It's a non graphical X server. It just gives programs an Xserver > > >to play with, and never displays the results of those programs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:08 AM > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > >With reply to my previous mail I've figured out that Java "awt" is > > >looking for some parameters in X-windows. I think the X is broken. > > >I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me with fixing of > > >X-windows. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sudhaker P" <perams27(a)hotmail.com> > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0600 > > > > > > > >Hi Karl, > > > >Thanks a lot for the response. > > > >I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic > > > >log java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > > > > at > > > > > >java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEn > > >vi > > >ronment.java:58) > > > > at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > > > > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown > >Source) > > > > at > > > >com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Un > > > >kn > > > >ow > > > >n > > > >Source) > > > > at > > > > > >jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.j > > >av > > >a:356) > > > > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStub > > >Im > > >pl.java:123) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > >on > > >textImpl.java:761) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > >on > > >textImpl.java:708) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(Servl > > >et > > >ContextManager.java:252) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.j > > >av > > >a:346) > > > > at > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > > > > at > > > >weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > > > > > > > >So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs > > > >could be the reason and X might be broken. > > > > > > > >In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to > > > >install. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > > >>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >>generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > >>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? > > > >> > > > >>Get any errors on your command line? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to > > > >>verify that it is the kernel? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Hi , > > > >> > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The > > > >> > same > > > >>program is > > > >> > able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel > > > >> > 2.4.16 but it > > > >>fails > > > >> > to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 > > > >> > on which it > > > >>used > > > >> > to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that > > > >> > something > > > >>may > > > >> > broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that > > > >> > doesn't seem to help. I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can > > > >> > guide me in this issue with your comments and suggestions. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > >> > > > > >> > Peram > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > _____________________________________________________________ > > > >> > __ > > > >> > __ > > > >> > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > > >> > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > Wlug mailing list > > > >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >>-- > > > >> > > > >>¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > > >>Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > > >>Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > > > >>Cell: 508-517-4819 > > > >>Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > > >>Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > > > >>Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > > > >>KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > > > >>AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > > >>¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > > >> > > > >>Confirmed bachelor: > > > >> A man who goes through life without a hitch. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > >>Wlug mailing list > > > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! 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Oct. 30, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of graphsinredhat6.2

by Sudhaker P

Hi Marc, Is Xvfb a software that I can download and install? -Sudhakar >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of >graphsinredhat6.2 >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:40:55 -0500 > > >So you're saying that you can use X on the machine, right? If so, I'd look >other places for the problem. > >Double check that your DISPLAY is set properly and access is enabled. This >was the exact same error message I used to get when java couldn't connect >to the xserver. > >I find doing something like this: > >nohup Xvfb :1 -screen 0 800x600x24 & >sleep 5 >export DISPLAY=localhost:1 >xhost + >SERVERCOMMAND <- (Whatever you need to do to start the server) > >Is best since it uses a virtual x server instead of the real one. This >works around your problem, but is probably the "correct" way to do it >anyways. > > >-Marc > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:23 PM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of >graphsinredhat6.2 > > >Hi Marc, >The KDE for the server was not working for it so I fixed it, removing all >the rpms and re-installing them, I even reinstalled "gd".So I was wondering >if any other libraries related to X-server were broken too. >My output for >$ps auwx | grep X is as below >root 14500 0.0 0.0 2220 980 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 /bin/sh >/usr/X11R6/bin/startx >root 14507 0.0 0.0 2344 668 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 xinit >/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- >root 14508 0.7 0.3 18156 7956 ? S< 09:44 1:07 /etc/X11/X >:0 > >I'd appreciate your suggestions and comments in this regard. > >Thanks, > >Peram > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphs inredhat6.2 > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:29 -0500 > > > >What do you mean when you say it seems broken? Are there other > >symptoms > >besides the java connection to it? > > > >Can you sit down at the machine and use X? If this is a server, you > >probably don't want that ability (that's where Xvfb comes in). What > >Xserver are you running? > > > >If you "ps aux |grep X" do you see an xserver running? > > > >-Marc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:46 AM > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphs inredhat6.2 > > > > > >Hi Marc, > >Thanks for the reply. > >I agree with you Marc, it is a servlet(I'm sorry about that) and its on > >the server. The display settings seems to be proper, but my X- server > >seems to be broken. I'd appreciate if you can guide me to any kind of > >information with the help of which I can fix the issue of broken > >X-windows. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:16:11 -0500 > > > > > >I'm guessing this is a server (the errors you showed before made it > > >look more like a servlet than an applet)... So are you running X? If > > >so, when you start the server do you set your DISPLAY variable > > >correctly? Does > >the > > >server process have access to the Xserver? > > > > > >If you're not running an Xserver, you need to. Weird, huh? Without > > >a running X-Server the JRE can't do most graphical operations, even > > >if > >those > > >operations never render to the display. It's a long standing issue > > >that > >a > > >whole lot of people have complained about. What you can do is run > > >Xvfb > >... > > >It's a non graphical X server. It just gives programs an Xserver to > > >play with, and never displays the results of those programs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:08 AM > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > >With reply to my previous mail I've figured out that Java "awt" is > > >looking for some parameters in X-windows. I think the X is broken. > > >I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me with fixing of > > >X-windows. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sudhaker P" <perams27(a)hotmail.com> > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0600 > > > > > > > >Hi Karl, > > > >Thanks a lot for the response. > > > >I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic log > > > >java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > > > > at > > > > > >java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEnvi > > >ronment.java:58) > > > > at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > > > > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown > >Source) > > > > at > > > >com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Unkn > > > >ow > > > >n > > > >Source) > > > > at > > > > > >jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.jav > > >a:356) > > > > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStubIm > > >pl.java:123) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletCon > > >textImpl.java:761) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletCon > > >textImpl.java:708) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(Servlet > > >ContextManager.java:252) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.jav > > >a:346) > > > > at > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > > > > at > > > >weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > > > > > > > >So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs > > > >could be the reason and X might be broken. > > > > > > > >In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to > > > >install. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > > >>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >>generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > >>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? > > > >> > > > >>Get any errors on your command line? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to verify > > > >>that it is the kernel? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Hi , > > > >> > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The > > > >> > same > > > >>program is > > > >> > able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.16 > > > >> > but it > > > >>fails > > > >> > to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 on > > > >> > which it > > > >>used > > > >> > to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that > > > >> > something > > > >>may > > > >> > broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that doesn't > > > >> > seem to help. I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me > > > >> > in this issue with your comments and suggestions. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > >> > > > > >> > Peram > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > _______________________________________________________________ > > > >> > __ > > > >> > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > > >> > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > Wlug mailing list > > > >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >>-- > > > >> > > > >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø > > > >>Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > > >>Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > > > >>Cell: 508-517-4819 > > > >>Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > > >>Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > > > >>Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > > > >>KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > > > >>AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > > >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø > > > >> > > > >>Confirmed bachelor: > > > >> A man who goes through life without a hitch. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > >>Wlug mailing list > > > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! 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Oct. 30, 2002