October 2002 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

RE: [Wlug] DRM/TCPA/Palladium

by Keller, Tim

The problem I see is when you go out and buy a PC, blowout the partitions that have "longhorn" (MS's next OS) and install linux, reboot the machine and get this error at the POST screen: "TCPA Error: BOOT DEVICE DOES NOT CONTAIN VALID BOOT KEY" I don't see the people building the whole DRM infrastructure giving out details on how to change keys since their whole authentication infrastructure is based around the idea that every machine has a unique key so they can track things on a PC by PC basis. In their view, the idea of installing an operating system that doesn't have DRM built into it at the kernel level is an unacceptable option. The only way for DRM to be effective is to have a say in every action on your machine. Start an application and "DRM" verifies that the application is allowed to run on the machine. Insert a piece of media and "DRM" verifies that your allowed to access it. Go to a particular website and "DRM" decides if your allowed to access said website... On the privacy side of this, what's to keep the whole infrastructure from also keeping detailed info on what apps/media/peripheral/websites you access. Yeah, you could opt out of it, but by not opting in, your PC becomes utterly crippled, unable to play DVD's (since it can't verify authenticity), unable to run verified apps, etc... I see all kinds of other very onerous privacy issues with this... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Hanley [mailto:gary@hanley.net] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 21:53 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] DRM/TCPA/Palladium On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html > Thoughts? Should we boycot? Boycott what? We run Linux. :-) The best thing you can do is make your local politicians aware of your opinion on the matter. Also, consider joining: www.eff.org -- Gary _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Problem Solved!

by Brian J. Conway

> What's the modules.conf syntax for explicitly loading? I've only used > modules.conf for module options, not a replacement for modprobe. As far as I know, the /etc/modules is part of initscripts (not modutils) and explicitly loads modules. I don't know if you can explicitly load modules with modules.conf . [bconway@erasmus /]$ rpm -qf /etc/modules initscripts-6.40.2-41mdk [bconway@erasmus /]$ cat /etc/modules # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time. # # This file should contain the names of kernel modules that are # to be loaded at boot time, one per line. Comments begin with # a `#', and everything on the line after them are ignored. #scsi_hostadapter -b

Oct. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Problem Solved!

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Brian J. Conway wrote: > Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:22:11 -0400 (EDT) > From: Brian J. Conway <bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Problem Solved! > > > You'll probably want to build a new /boot/initrd-xxxx (along with an > > appropriate boot option) so that it loads automatically for smp. > > You could also add any modules you want to be explicitly loaded at boot > time to /etc/modules . > > -b What's the modules.conf syntax for explicitly loading? I've only used modules.conf for module options, not a replacement for modprobe. Thanks, Bill

Oct. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Problem Solved!

by Brian J. Conway

> You'll probably want to build a new /boot/initrd-xxxx (along with an > appropriate boot option) so that it loads automatically for smp. You could also add any modules you want to be explicitly loaded at boot time to /etc/modules . -b

Oct. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Problem Solved!

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Marc Hughes wrote: > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:45:31 -0400 > From: Marc Hughes <mhughes(a)wpidalamar.com> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Problem Solved! > > I figured out my SMP / X problem. For some reason the AGPGART and RADEONFB > modules aren't loading automatically like they do in the single cpu kernel. > But if I modprobe them, X works fine. > > Thanks anyways guys! > > -Marc Marc, You'll probably want to build a new /boot/initrd-xxxx (along with an appropriate boot option) so that it loads automatically for smp. Bill

Oct. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] DRM/TCPA/Palladium

by Wes Allen

Actually, on linux.com someone suggested that programmers organize a nation-wide walk-out in protest. I thought maybe every IT worker in the country should get sick for about a week... Completely unrealistic, but man would that be cool. Wes On Monday 21 October 2002 9:02 pm, Keith Wright wrote: > > From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > > > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html > > This is a Palladium FAQ for those know what > that is and don't want to follow the link. > > > Thoughts? Should we boycot? > > Too soon. How can I boycott vaporware? > At this time all that can be done is to > work to defeat those lawmakers who are > proposing to make this legally required > (at which time it will be too late to > boycott). > > -- Keith > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Oct. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] DRM/TCPA/Palladium

by Gary Hanley

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html > Thoughts? Should we boycot? Boycott what? We run Linux. :-) The best thing you can do is make your local politicians aware of your opinion on the matter. Also, consider joining: www.eff.org -- Gary

Oct. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] DRM/TCPA/Palladium

by Karl Hiramoto

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Keith Wright wrote: > Too soon. How can I boycott vaporware? > At this time all that can be done is to > work to defeat those lawmakers who are > proposing to make this legally required > (at which time it will be too late to > boycott). It is not too soon. Awareness is needed now. The article claims that IBM thinkpad's have included the "fritz" chip (http://www.atmel.com/atmel/acrobat/2015s.pdf) since May 2002. Intel P4 will begin to include the "features" in chips shipping in 2003. -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Only people with names beginning with 'A' are getting mail this week (a la Microsoft)

Oct. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] DRM/TCPA/Palladium

by Keith Wright

> From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html This is a Palladium FAQ for those know what that is and don't want to follow the link. > Thoughts? Should we boycot? Too soon. How can I boycott vaporware? At this time all that can be done is to work to defeat those lawmakers who are proposing to make this legally required (at which time it will be too late to boycott). -- Keith

Oct. 22, 2002

DRM/TCPA/Palladium

by Karl Hiramoto

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html Thoughts? Should we boycot? -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Only people with names beginning with 'A' are getting mail this week (a la Microsoft)

Oct. 22, 2002