September 2001 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

Re: [Wlug] anyone happy with DSL in Worcester?

by Keith Wright

> From: Jeff Reed <jmr71769(a)earthlink.net> > > earthlink SUXORS!!! > i TOTALLY realte to this email...i can't stress this ENOUGH! if > you're using linux, and want a decent DSL connection, there is no > other...go with SPEAKEASY.NET. (EARTHLINK SUX)^75 So why is your email address @earthlink.net? This is stressed ENOUGH, but it might help to be a little more specific. What is the problem? -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

Sept. 5, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Fwd: Sympathy for a guy over his head

by Ben Dow

Ok... I'll start off by saying I'm not all that familiar with Mandrake, and I haven't fooled around much with printing, so I'll skip that part. But as for the network, I'm kind of confused about what's going on there. You're trying to connect to another machine on the same network (I assume you've got them wired right, with a hub or crossover cable), right? Does the network card show up as detected in the kernel start-up messages? Is the interface configured correctly? Can you ping another machine? Am I making any sense here? Also, how is your internet connection set up (ie dial-up, etc), and how are you trying to connect to them? (what commands do you run) It sounds like pppd isn't actually connecting to the other side, but it's hard to be sure. On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Colin Novick wrote: > Thoughts from wisened pros? > > Now more than ever I need to migrate to Linux. I am using a dual boot > system MS/Linux and I desperately want to cut the cord. > Previously the difficulty was an inability to print. > Newest guess on that is that there is a possible conflict with lpd and > CUPS running at the same time? > I have yet to unpack how one goes about fixing that. > Most recent challenge was to get a network connection established between > two machines on 3Com cards on a 3Com box. > Didn't quite get my hands around that, though many different angles were > tried. > Current thinking on this one is to look around and see if SAMBA might > let me configure things. > And then I really messed things up. While trying to establish a network I > saw this neat option that lets machines share an internet connection, and > I pursued it.... After playing around for a while I disabled it and now > the Internet connection will not properly execute the ppp. I can manually > get all the way through the logon in a Terminal session and when I get > to: > Entering PPP Session > IP address is 216.164.248.83 > MTU is 1500 > There is nowhere to go from here. Leave it alone and it disconnects. Try > to do anything, any key, and gobbledygook shows up killing any prospect > of a PPP session completing. > Possible that the system "enabling IPv4 packet forwarding" on startup is > some leftover from my messing around with sharing an internet connection? > No idea on that one. > > All right. It is necessary to screw around and make mistakes to learn. I > am excelling at that, and probably do now know more. > The difficulty is that I have never seen this up and working anywhere > before, and when trying to solve a problem I am working without an image > in my head of what is or isn't supposed to be there. > > Thought to reload the Mandrake 7.2 system and hope to wipe the settings I > created return to where I was originally pursuing different paths. > Trick there is that "Reload" keeps all the settings. > Shouldah done a reinstall. Learned that too. > > Any thoughts, or maybe even just a weak hearted consoling word or two. > My deepest and sincerest thanks to the learned who had to endure hear a > young fool trying to find his feet. > > Colin > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 5, 2001

RE: [Wlug] I thought you guys might get a kick out of this

by Matt Pease

Why do open source projects bother supporting Windows? Seems like 100% counter-productive waste of effort, doesn't it? matt > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Brian J. Conway > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 6:19 PM > To: discuss(a)wpila.org > Cc: wlug(a)wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] I thought you guys might get a kick out of this > > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet /prodtechnol/iis/deploy/depovg/win2kcd.asp > > Strangely, I don't see any mention of Code Red in there... > > Brian J. Conway > dogbert(a)clue4all.net > > "LINUX is obsolete" > - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 4, 2001

I thought you guys might get a kick out of this

by Brian J. Conway

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/prodtech… Strangely, I don't see any mention of Code Red in there... Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix

Sept. 4, 2001

Fwd: Sympathy for a guy over his head

by Colin Novick

Thoughts from wisened pros? Now more than ever I need to migrate to Linux. I am using a dual boot system MS/Linux and I desperately want to cut the cord. Previously the difficulty was an inability to print. Newest guess on that is that there is a possible conflict with lpd and CUPS running at the same time? I have yet to unpack how one goes about fixing that. Most recent challenge was to get a network connection established between two machines on 3Com cards on a 3Com box. Didn't quite get my hands around that, though many different angles were tried. Current thinking on this one is to look around and see if SAMBA might let me configure things. And then I really messed things up. While trying to establish a network I saw this neat option that lets machines share an internet connection, and I pursued it.... After playing around for a while I disabled it and now the Internet connection will not properly execute the ppp. I can manually get all the way through the logon in a Terminal session and when I get to: Entering PPP Session IP address is 216.164.248.83 MTU is 1500 There is nowhere to go from here. Leave it alone and it disconnects. Try to do anything, any key, and gobbledygook shows up killing any prospect of a PPP session completing. Possible that the system "enabling IPv4 packet forwarding" on startup is some leftover from my messing around with sharing an internet connection? No idea on that one. All right. It is necessary to screw around and make mistakes to learn. I am excelling at that, and probably do now know more. The difficulty is that I have never seen this up and working anywhere before, and when trying to solve a problem I am working without an image in my head of what is or isn't supposed to be there. Thought to reload the Mandrake 7.2 system and hope to wipe the settings I created return to where I was originally pursuing different paths. Trick there is that "Reload" keeps all the settings. Shouldah done a reinstall. Learned that too. Any thoughts, or maybe even just a weak hearted consoling word or two. My deepest and sincerest thanks to the learned who had to endure hear a young fool trying to find his feet. Colin

Sept. 4, 2001

Sympathy for a guy over his head

by Colin Novick

Thoughts from wisened pros? Now more than ever I need to migrate to Linux. I am using a dual boot system MS/Linux and I desperately want to cut the cord. Previously the difficulty was an inability to print. Newest guess on that is that there is a possible conflict with lpd and CUPS running at the same time? I have yet to unpack how one goes about fixing that. Most recent challenge was to get a network connection established between two machines on 3Com cards on a 3Com box. Didn't quite get my hands around that, though many different angles were tried. Current thinking on this one is to look around and see if SAMBA might let me configure things. And then I really messed things up. While trying to establish a network I saw this neat option that lets machines share an internet connection, and I pursued it.... After playing around for a while I disabled it and now the Internet connection will not properly execute the ppp. I can manually get all the way through the logon in a Terminal session and when I get to: Entering PPP Session IP address is 216.164.248.83 MTU is 1500 There is nowhere to go from here. Leave it alone and it disconnects. Try to do anything, any key, and gobbledygook shows up killing any prospect of a PPP session completing. Possible that the system "enabling IPv4 packet forwarding" on startup is some leftover from my messing around with sharing an internet connection? No idea on that one. Allright. It is necessary to screw around and make mistakes to learn. I am excelling at that, and probably do now know more. The difficulty is that I have never seen this up and working anywhere before, and when trying to solve a problem I am working without an image in my head of what is or isn't supposed to be there. Thought to reload the Mandrake 7.2 system and hope to wipe the settings I created return to where I was originally pursuing different paths. Trick there is that "Reload" keeps all the settings. Shouldah done a reinstall. Learned that too. Any thoughts, or maybe even just a weak hearted consoling word or two. My deepest and sincerest thanks to the learned who had to endure hear a young fool trying to find his feet. Colin

Sept. 4, 2001

Re: [Wlug] kde22 problems...

by Andy Stewart

This is weird. I have KOffice 1.1 (rc1) installed, KDE 2.2, CUPS 1.1.9, and XFree86 4.1.0 (SuSE 7.2 PRO). I've also noticed that freetype is installed on my machine (freetype2 v2.0.1 and freetype 1.3.1). I don't appear to be running a font server (at least not xfs or xfstt). My video card is a Matrix G400. I ran the SuSE supplied script for fetching the ttfs and installing them. The script is called fetchmsttfonts and it is contained in SuSE's xf86-tools package. It looks to be pretty distribution neutral. I think the only other thing that I did was to add the font path so that the X server could find the fonts. I created a quick doc in KOffice with three different ttfs and printed it no sweat. I got the fonts from the evil empire's website. Anti aliasing is definitely enabled in the KDE control panel (Look and Feel -> Fonts). I do notice that kmail files don't print directly from kmail. (The pstoraster process from CUPS runs seemingly forever and I'm not sure why). How many true type fonts to you have loaded up? I only have 11 that KOffice can see. I'm not sure what else to check. Does anybody else have any ideas? I'm trying CUPS 1.1.10 now to see if that solve the kmail printing problem. Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org On Monday 03 September 2001 08:54 am, Wesley Allen wrote: > Andy, > The desktop has got 128mb ram (pc100), my laptop has got 196mb. I > think that is the problem with the load times when AA is turned on, > because it doesn't seem to affect my laptop at all. It's the font > problem that irks me. I've figured out that it is tied to AA, with it > turned off the fonts don't show up on my desktop either. And my laptop > doesn't support AA yet so I'm plum out of luck as they say. Have you > heard of any work-arounds to trick kde into thinking I've got AA > support? > > I've had problems printing with cups and libkdeprint. The only hadk > I can figure out (until cups supports it) is to use lpd to print > anythign with ttf's. Then it works fine, but you lose the advanced > features of cups...it's all a balancing act. Mandrake 8.1 is out soon, > perhaps they will fix some of these problems. > > Wes > > Andy Stewart (andystewart(a)mediaone.net) wrote: > >HI Wes, > > > >How much memory do you have in this machine? I've seen KDE take > > forever when it is memory limited, hence my question. Also, are you > > running anything which is CPU intensive when you're trying to start > > KDE? > > > >I am also running KDE 2.2, and I downloaded those MS truetype fonts > > using the script supplied by SuSE 7.2. I like the look! Although I > > haven't tried anything funky like Greek or Hebrew, what I have tried > > seems to work pretty well. However, I have infinite memory (256 MB), > > and my processor is dual PIII/450. > > > >I did try printing a mail message directly from KMail, but that didn't > >work for some reason (not sure if the problem was KDE or CUPS). > >File...SaveAs and then print did work. > > > >Later, > > > >Andy > > > >On Saturday 01 September 2001 10:15 am, you wrote: > >> Well, I've finally gotten kde 2.2 installed and I love the new > >> libkdeprint. I'm a pastor by trade and have been stuck in windows > >> because I need some pretty funky Greek and Hebrew fonts for my weekly > >> research; fonts which I can only find in .ttf format and couldn't be > >> printed at any rate (yes, I know there were fixes, I never got one to > >> work for me). Now with kde 2.2 I can at last use these fonts in > >> Linux, with one major glitche... > >> > >> 1) They only show up in my "usable fonts" combo box in koffice when > >> anti-aliasing is turned on. This would not be a problem except for > >> the fact that... a) My pitifully Celeron 366 take FOREVER to load kde > >> programs with anti-aliasing turned on (ever waited 30 seconds for a > >> shell to open up, it's not fun...) > >> > >> b) My laptop's display isn't supported by kde's anti-aliasing yet > >> (Inspiron 3800). So my primary research tool can't be used. > >> > >> > >> Any ideas/workarounds/hacks to overcome this glitch? > >> > >> Also, with anti-aliasing turned on, my desktop machine won't allow me > >> to submit forms (like e-mail), in konqueror. Any ideas? (I'm going > >> to submit a bug report). > >> > >> Wes > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Sept. 3, 2001

Re: [Wlug] kde22 problems...

by Wesley Allen

Andy, The desktop has got 128mb ram (pc100), my laptop has got 196mb. I think that is the problem with the load times when AA is turned on, because it doesn't seem to affect my laptop at all. It's the font problem that irks me. I've figured out that it is tied to AA, with it turned off the fonts don't show up on my desktop either. And my laptop doesn't support AA yet so I'm plum out of luck as they say. Have you heard of any work-arounds to trick kde into thinking I've got AA support? I've had problems printing with cups and libkdeprint. The only hadk I can figure out (until cups supports it) is to use lpd to print anythign with ttf's. Then it works fine, but you lose the advanced features of cups...it's all a balancing act. Mandrake 8.1 is out soon, perhaps they will fix some of these problems. Wes Andy Stewart (andystewart(a)mediaone.net) wrote: > > > >HI Wes, > >How much memory do you have in this machine? I've seen KDE take forever >when it is memory limited, hence my question. Also, are you running >anything which is CPU intensive when you're trying to start KDE? > >I am also running KDE 2.2, and I downloaded those MS truetype fonts using >the script supplied by SuSE 7.2. I like the look! Although I haven't >tried anything funky like Greek or Hebrew, what I have tried seems to work >pretty well. However, I have infinite memory (256 MB), and my processor >is dual PIII/450. > >I did try printing a mail message directly from KMail, but that didn't >work for some reason (not sure if the problem was KDE or CUPS). >File...SaveAs and then print did work. > >Later, > >Andy > > > > > >On Saturday 01 September 2001 10:15 am, you wrote: >> Well, I've finally gotten kde 2.2 installed and I love the new >> libkdeprint. I'm a pastor by trade and have been stuck in windows >> because I need some pretty funky Greek and Hebrew fonts for my weekly >> research; fonts which I can only find in .ttf format and couldn't be >> printed at any rate (yes, I know there were fixes, I never got one to >> work for me). Now with kde 2.2 I can at last use these fonts in Linux, >> with one major glitche... >> >> 1) They only show up in my "usable fonts" combo box in koffice when >> anti-aliasing is turned on. This would not be a problem except for the >> fact that... a) My pitifully Celeron 366 take FOREVER to load kde >> programs with anti-aliasing turned on (ever waited 30 seconds for a >> shell to open up, it's not fun...) >> >> b) My laptop's display isn't supported by kde's anti-aliasing yet >> (Inspiron 3800). So my primary research tool can't be used. >> >> >> Any ideas/workarounds/hacks to overcome this glitch? >> >> Also, with anti-aliasing turned on, my desktop machine won't allow me to >> submit forms (like e-mail), in konqueror. Any ideas? (I'm going to >> submit a bug report). >> >> Wes >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Sept. 3, 2001

Re: [Wlug] kde22 problems...

by Andy Stewart

HI Wes, How much memory do you have in this machine? I've seen KDE take forever when it is memory limited, hence my question. Also, are you running anything which is CPU intensive when you're trying to start KDE? I am also running KDE 2.2, and I downloaded those MS truetype fonts using the script supplied by SuSE 7.2. I like the look! Although I haven't tried anything funky like Greek or Hebrew, what I have tried seems to work pretty well. However, I have infinite memory (256 MB), and my processor is dual PIII/450. I did try printing a mail message directly from KMail, but that didn't work for some reason (not sure if the problem was KDE or CUPS). File...SaveAs and then print did work. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org On Saturday 01 September 2001 10:15 am, you wrote: > Well, I've finally gotten kde 2.2 installed and I love the new > libkdeprint. I'm a pastor by trade and have been stuck in windows > because I need some pretty funky Greek and Hebrew fonts for my weekly > research; fonts which I can only find in .ttf format and couldn't be > printed at any rate (yes, I know there were fixes, I never got one to > work for me). Now with kde 2.2 I can at last use these fonts in Linux, > with one major glitche... > > 1) They only show up in my "usable fonts" combo box in koffice when > anti-aliasing is turned on. This would not be a problem except for the > fact that... a) My pitifully Celeron 366 take FOREVER to load kde > programs with anti-aliasing turned on (ever waited 30 seconds for a > shell to open up, it's not fun...) > > b) My laptop's display isn't supported by kde's anti-aliasing yet > (Inspiron 3800). So my primary research tool can't be used. > > > Any ideas/workarounds/hacks to overcome this glitch? > > Also, with anti-aliasing turned on, my desktop machine won't allow me to > submit forms (like e-mail), in konqueror. Any ideas? (I'm going to > submit a bug report). > > Wes > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Sept. 2, 2001

kde22 problems...

by Wesley Allen

Well, I've finally gotten kde 2.2 installed and I love the new libkdeprint. I'm a pastor by trade and have been stuck in windows because I need some pretty funky Greek and Hebrew fonts for my weekly research; fonts which I can only find in .ttf format and couldn't be printed at any rate (yes, I know there were fixes, I never got one to work for me). Now with kde 2.2 I can at last use these fonts in Linux, with one major glitche... 1) They only show up in my "usable fonts" combo box in koffice when anti-aliasing is turned on. This would not be a problem except for the fact that... a) My pitifully Celeron 366 take FOREVER to load kde programs with anti-aliasing turned on (ever waited 30 seconds for a shell to open up, it's not fun...) b) My laptop's display isn't supported by kde's anti-aliasing yet (Inspiron 3800). So my primary research tool can't be used. Any ideas/workarounds/hacks to overcome this glitch? Also, with anti-aliasing turned on, my desktop machine won't allow me to submit forms (like e-mail), in konqueror. Any ideas? (I'm going to submit a bug report). Wes

Sept. 1, 2001