June 2001 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

Re: [Wlug] Fwd: WLUG - Borland Kylix

by Marc Hughes

My copy came in Wednesday :) Here's my first impressions: It's a typicall x.0 release, a bit too buggy. The install crashed on me, and I had to visit the borland website to get it working. It requires glibc 2.2 which my mandrake box didn't have, and let me point out an important fact that I didn't realize... a glibc 2.1 -> 2.2 upgrade is not a trivial thing. Oh... and it doesn't work with the newest version of the mySql client libs. I've known borland for a while, and I bet the first update for it is already being written. Now that's all the bad I have for it so far, on to the good. It is delphi! I sit and work on it, and except for the window decorations and weird mouse focus rules, it behaves exactly like delphi! On my 700mhz laptop it runs nice and zippy. The applications it produces are truly native linux apps. Their run time libraries came dual-licensed in both comercial and GPL format, so you can distribute them with your Free or non-Free apps. So here's my overall review: If they fix the bugs mentioned above, we will soon have a first class development environment. I would hope this would lead to more apps, and a more wide spread acceptance of linux. I'm guessing it's a Good Thing. Now... where are all those kylix jobs I've been waiting for :) -Marc On Friday 01 June 2001 18:28, you wrote: > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > Subject: WLUG - Borland Kylix > Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:53:15 -0400 > From: "Al Reinhart" <reinhart(a)discom.com> > To: <astewart(a)world.std.com> > > > Andy, > > Thought some of the members in the user group might be interested in the > following: > > Borland announces a 90-day limited time offer to purchase > the Desktop edition of Borland® Kylix(TM), its award-winning > Linux® application development and deployment product for > $199. Timed with the launch of "Kylix-Compatible" Borland® > Delphi(TM) 6, the promotion is designed to address the demand > for Windows/Linux cross-platform application development and deployment... > (http://www.borland.com/about/press/2001/kylix_promo.html) > > Al > ------------------------------------------ > Al Reinhart Phone: (508) 869-6417 > DisCom Systems Fax: (508) 869-3420 > www.DisCom.com > > -------------------------------------------------------

June 2, 2001

Fwd: WLUG - Borland Kylix

by Andy Stewart

---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: WLUG - Borland Kylix Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:53:15 -0400 From: "Al Reinhart" <reinhart(a)discom.com> To: <astewart(a)world.std.com> Andy, Thought some of the members in the user group might be interested in the following: Borland announces a 90-day limited time offer to purchase the Desktop edition of Borland® Kylix(TM), its award-winning Linux® application development and deployment product for $199. Timed with the launch of "Kylix-Compatible" Borland® Delphi(TM) 6, the promotion is designed to address the demand for Windows/Linux cross-platform application development and deployment... (http://www.borland.com/about/press/2001/kylix_promo.html) Al ------------------------------------------ Al Reinhart Phone: (508) 869-6417 DisCom Systems Fax: (508) 869-3420 www.DisCom.com ------------------------------------------------------- -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

June 1, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Linux on a Dell laptop dual-boot W2K

by Dan Potter

I've got Win98, Win2K, and Linux Mandrake 8.0 all running happily on the same machine, so I'll throw my 2 cents into the discussion. As has been previously mentioned, if you're starting from scratch, just reformat EVERYTHING with the partitions needed for both OSes. In my case, I started out with a new harddrive to be installed so I formatted the new HD to be my Windows disk, involving (serveral) FAT32 partitions to be used for the Windows system and also to be used to easily transfer data back and forth between the Linux install and the Windows install. (Namely, MP3s... :) ) I also made a NTFS partition (or rather, left space for) to install 2K on - I chose this strategy because I needed some Win2K NTFS features (note that Windows 2K uses NTFS5.0 and Windows NT uses NTFS 4.<something> - there are differences). I did all this via Partition Magic rescue disks 'cause I like the GUI (and I like the fact that it formats the partitions for me so I can then copy all the existing Windows data via Linux (yeah, yeah, mkdosfs) - but this was a new HD install). The FIRST step is to install Windows 95/98/ME if you want to - if you're going with 2K, then just don't bother... the Win9x series assumes that it's the only OS and mucks with the MBR. It's much easier just to do it *first*. (In other words, if you're *ever* going to want to use Win9x decide to do it NOW because it'll be much harder later.) IMPORTANT NOTE: Win9x *MUST* be installed on the first harddrive (ie, on the master drive of the primary IDE controller). If it is not, it WILL NOT BOOT. Win2K *may* require this as well, but I'm pretty sure it can boot off pretty much anywhere (my install of 2K has it *way* past the 1024 cylinder on the master drive of my primary IDE controller, so don't worry about the 1024 cylinder boundary - Win9x MUST be on the first 1024 cylinders, I think). Next I installed Win2K. It'll see the existing Win9x install (if there is one) and set itself up to dual-boot between the two. It's bootloader is actually on the boot sector of the Windows partition, NOT the MBR. Which is good, because that means LILO/Grub/Whatever can boot it. Win2K made me reformat the existing NTFS(NT version) partition before it would install on it, but after that, it went on with no problems. Finally, I installed Mandrake. Mandrake saw my two Windows installs, added them to Grub (the bootloader I chose, feel free to use Lilo), and then installed flawlessly onto the newly ReiserFS partitioned secondary HD. Once a that was done, all I have to do is choose "Windows" from the Grub bootloader to boot into Windows (or rather, to launch the Windows 200 Boot Loader which boots wither Windows OR Win9x). As others have said, you probably either want a FAT32 partition to transfer data between the OSes, or just make the Win2K system partition FAT32 - it'll work fine that way (my Dad runs his computer with Win2K on a FAT32 partition, and it runs without any hitches). The one warning is that PM5.0 doesn't support the Win2K version of NTFS, so you won't be able to muck around with NTFS partitions with it. It also doesn't support ReiserFS, but I doubt anyone expected it to... (I believe that PM 6 DOES support the Win2K version of NTFS, though - and of course, it supports ext2 and Linux swap partitions (although PM5 can't move/resize Linux swap partitions - just delete 'em and recreate 'em if you ever need to move/resize them with PM - PM6 might, haven't borrowed my Dad's copy to find out)). Good luck! On Thu, 31 May 2001, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > Hey all, > > I was wondering if anyone has had any "good" experiences installing Linux > and W2K on the same machine? I currently have the following hardware setup: > > Dell Inspiron 8000 Laptop > Pentium III 700mhz w/256MB RAM > Toshiba DVD-ROM > Integrated Actiontec 10/100MB NIC \ 56K Modem > Intel� 815e AGPSet Chipset with 4X AGP > 10GB HD - currently 1 partition NTFS file system > > My thoughts were to install Caldera e-Desktop 2.4 which I have had some > success with. What I'm not sure about is re-partitioning the HD to > accommodate 2 Operating Systems. Caldera comes with a slim version of > Partition Magic, but I haven't had the opportunity to use it on NTFS, so > that is where any suggestions would help. > > Thanks for the time. > > Matthew > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 1, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Linux on a Dell laptop dual-boot W2K

by Wesley Allen

---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Simoncini, Matthew" <simoncim(a)bsci.com> Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:23:29 -0400 >Hey all, > >I was wondering if anyone has had any "good" experiences installing Linux >and W2K on the same machine? I currently have the following hardware setup: > >Dell Inspiron 8000 Laptop >Pentium III 700mhz w/256MB RAM >Toshiba DVD-ROM >Integrated Actiontec 10/100MB NIC \ 56K Modem >Intel® 815e AGPSet Chipset with 4X AGP >10GB HD - currently 1 partition NTFS file system > >My thoughts were to install Caldera e-Desktop 2.4 which I have had some >success with. What I'm not sure about is re-partitioning the HD to >accommodate 2 Operating Systems. Caldera comes with a slim version of >Partition Magic, but I haven't had the opportunity to use it on NTFS, so >that is where any suggestions would help. > I've got a Dell Inspiron 3800 that I dual boot between windows ME (don't laugh, I've kept it for DVD playback) and Mandrake. It works fine, though the modem doesn't work... Another response sugguested reformatting the disk, if you haven't customized it much, follow this advice, it saves a lot of grief later. I also believe that NTFS support is still labeled "experimental" and "read only" in the kernel setup, so you may want to use FAT32 anyway (too bad win2k doesn't run off of ResierFS, huh?). For partitioning, I use Mandrake, so I've got diskdrake; but since you've got Caldera you may want to download something called GNUPartD, it's another graphical partitioning tool, under GPL, that is a replacement of disk druid. I've not used it, but Suse uses it as it's partitioning tool and I've not read one complaint about it. Hope this helps. Wes >Thanks for the time. > >Matthew > > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 1, 2001

Double Dial Out

by Bob Brown

I was wondering if anyone knows the fix to the double dial problem? Whenever I dial out from my RH 6.1 Linux box (using Linuxconf) the system dials, connects, hangs-up and display "The Command /sbin/ifup ppp0 is taking longer than expected to complete. Please take action" Then it automatically re-dials and successfully connects. I found this reported in several Usenet groups and archives since 1999 but I have not seen a resolution. Thanks, Bob Brown

June 1, 2001

MegaMeeting

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, USDataCenters is holding a meeting in Marlboro, MA on Wednesday, June 6, 2001 for a number of Boston area computer user groups. Most of these groups are Windows related, but not all. I have signed up to represent WLUG. GNHLUG, BLU, and (I think) MWBLUG will also be in attendance. If you want more information, or perhaps you'd like to attend as well, check out this website: http://www.BostonUserGroups.com/MegaMeeting/Default.htm Preregistration is required so please sign up if you plan to attend. I tried to get a table just for WLUG, but they have run out of tables. The Boston Linux and Unix User Group was kind enough to allow us to share some space with them (many thanks to Jerry Feldman). I'll be seeking out the local Kinkos for printing up some flyers this weekend. If anybody does plan to go, please drop me an e-mail just to let me know. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

June 1, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Linux on a Dell laptop dual-boot W2K

by Brian J. Conway

> I was wondering if anyone has had any "good" experiences installing Linux > and W2K on the same machine? I currently have the following hardware setup: Yes, I've done it a few times. The best approach I've found (on my desktop, anyways) is to start with a fresh disk, partition accordingly and install Win2k first, followed by your distro of choice. On the bright side, if you install Win2k second, or just reinstall over an existing Win2k install, it does you the favor of _not_ overwriting your MBR, which is certainly nicer than Win9x installs. > Dell Inspiron 8000 Laptop > Pentium III 700mhz w/256MB RAM > Toshiba DVD-ROM > Integrated Actiontec 10/100MB NIC \ 56K Modem > Intel® 815e AGPSet Chipset with 4X AGP > 10GB HD - currently 1 partition NTFS file system That's actually the same model (with different specs) that I ordered a week ago and expect to arrive within the next three days. I plan on doing a full write-up after installation for the Linux on Laptops site (http://www.linux-laptop.net/ previously www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/) so stay tuned. > My thoughts were to install Caldera e-Desktop 2.4 which I have had some > success with. What I'm not sure about is re-partitioning the HD to > accommodate 2 Operating Systems. Caldera comes with a slim version of > Partition Magic, but I haven't had the opportunity to use it on NTFS, so > that is where any suggestions would help. I've never resized NTFS myself, but Mandrake (my distribution of choice) comes with an excellent utility as part of the install called DiskDrake, which is an open-source equivalent of Partition Magic, and I've found to be far preferable. Even if you don't want to use Mandrake, you could always boot it up and go through the install until you pass the partitioning section near the beginning. I believe DiskDrake can resize NTFS in Mandrake 8.0, but don't quote me on that. Either way, I like it a lot better than Partition Magic, and it's just as full-featured. Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net Geek for hire: http://clue4all.net/resume Power Mac G4 Cube. Some of us are getting laid tonight. (http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20010509)

June 1, 2001