April 2001 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Aaron Haviland

Bob Brown said: > How about rcs and rpm? rpm? you wanna start a distro war, doncha :P deb all the way, buddy! ... (btw, anyone know of a place that might be hiring someone who likes to make .debs?) -- Orion orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org This IS a sig.

April 16, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Bob Brown

How about rcs and rpm? Regards, Bob

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Keith Wright

> From: Viper <viper(a)2ghz.net> > > As far as I knew real programmers do use debuggers unless we all have > become perfect coders for some crazy reason now. I thought about trying one a few times in the past twenty years, but it was always more trouble to install the debugger and figure out how it works than to just "fix the damn thing". Mostly I just use printf, writeln, jsr outstr, or whatever it's called, and think really hard. But then, I learned to program when it was done by turning in the card deck in the morning and then coming back just before midnight to see what it did. You learn to be careful that way, but I don't really recommend it. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Orion

Keith Wright said: > > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> > > > > I am starting to write up the last 1/3 of my presentation to the Delphi > > Developers group, and its the section on developer tools and utilities. I'd > > like some input from you folks as to what I should include in this section. > > > > Emacs - the original "IDE" (???) > > What are those questions marks for? Of course Emacs. > > > gdb for debugging (nicer with DDD front end, IMHO) > > make and Makefiles > > gcc > > > > What else do "real" Linux developers use? Maybe I'm suffering a brain cramp > > this evening, but your input will help. what about libtool and autoconf (and family) ? > Real Programmers don't use a debugger, but you can talk about it if you > have time. I've never used Perl (except by accident) but there are those > who find it useful. (Those who find it beautiful are perverts, don't talk to them.) > > > Also, are there any tools or compilers for Pascal? Remember, the Delphi folks > > understand Pascal, and I'm sure they will ask this question. (It has been 20 > > years since I programmed anything in Pascal...). > > There is a Pascal to C translator laying about. I tried to use it once, > but the Pascal program I had was not in any of the four or five dialects > of Pascal that it knew, so it didn't work very well. If you were writting > the program yourself and could avoid extentions of dubious parentage, > it might work better. Unfortunately, anybody who is using Pascal for > anything other than teaching CS101, as intended, has probably locked themselves > into some bastard proprietary version that will never run anywhere unless > the company that owns it decides it should. The original implementation > of Pascal by Wirth was quite portable, I ported it myself once so I know. > Somebody must have put it on Linux by now, but I don't know any details. [orion@rex(~)] apt-cache search pascal fp-compiler - Free Pascal Compiler fp-docs - Free Pascal Documentation fp-units-api - Free Pascal API units fp-units-base - Free Pascal base units ... fp-units-db - Free Pascal units for some database libraries fp-utils - Free Pascal Utils gpc - The GNU Pascal compiler. gpc-2.95 - The GNU Pascal compiler. gpc-2.95-doc - Documentation for the GNU Pascal compiler (gpc). gpc-doc - Documentation for the GNU Pascal compiler (gpc). p2c - Pascal to C translator pas2html - Highlight Pascal and Modula-2 sources for WWW presentation [orion@rex(~)] -- Orion orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org [{(SPLAT!!!)}] oops.

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Is WMF a proprietary format?

by Orion

Andy Stewart said: > > If not, are there tools to convert it into something viewable on a Linux box? > There are viewers available for Solaris, but not Linux. > > Thanks, > > Andy You might want to try http://wvware.sourceforge.net/libwmf.html ? libwmf: WMF conversion libraries Windows Metafile (WMF) is a picture format used by many Windows programs, e.g. Microsoft Word. libwmf is a set of libraries for converting WMF files into other formats. Currently it supports a gd binding for conversion to PNG, and an X one for drawing directly to an X window or pixmap. There is experimental support for the XFig format and Encapsulated PostScript. -- Orion orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org No fish were harmed in posting to this froup.

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Keith Wright

> From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> > > I am starting to write up the last 1/3 of my presentation to the Delphi > Developers group, and its the section on developer tools and utilities. I'd > like some input from you folks as to what I should include in this section. > > Emacs - the original "IDE" (???) What are those questions marks for? Of course Emacs. > gdb for debugging (nicer with DDD front end, IMHO) > make and Makefiles > gcc > > What else do "real" Linux developers use? Maybe I'm suffering a brain cramp > this evening, but your input will help. Real Programmers don't use a debugger, but you can talk about it if you have time. I've never used Perl (except by accident) but there are those who find it useful. (Those who find it beautiful are perverts, don't talk to them.) > Also, are there any tools or compilers for Pascal? Remember, the Delphi folks > understand Pascal, and I'm sure they will ask this question. (It has been 20 > years since I programmed anything in Pascal...). There is a Pascal to C translator laying about. I tried to use it once, but the Pascal program I had was not in any of the four or five dialects of Pascal that it knew, so it didn't work very well. If you were writting the program yourself and could avoid extentions of dubious parentage, it might work better. Unfortunately, anybody who is using Pascal for anything other than teaching CS101, as intended, has probably locked themselves into some bastard proprietary version that will never run anywhere unless the company that owns it decides it should. The original implementation of Pascal by Wirth was quite portable, I ported it myself once so I know. Somebody must have put it on Linux by now, but I don't know any details. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Is WMF a proprietary format?

by Brian J. Conway

Windows Media Format? ;-) I assume the viewers work under Solaris because they're part of the ported IE 5.x package, no? > If not, are there tools to convert it into something viewable on a Linux box? > There are viewers available for Solaris, but not Linux. I'm really not sure on that one, chief, I just had input on the first half. Sorry. Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net Geek for hire: http://clue4all.net/resume

April 16, 2001

Is WMF a proprietary format?

by Andy Stewart

If not, are there tools to convert it into something viewable on a Linux box? There are viewers available for Solaris, but not Linux. Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | "Why is it that we rejoice at a birth and Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | grieve at a funeral? It is because we Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | are not the person involved" -- Mark http://www.wlug.org | Twain

April 16, 2001

Need input re: developers tools

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, I am starting to write up the last 1/3 of my presentation to the Delphi Developers group, and its the section on developer tools and utilities. I'd like some input from you folks as to what I should include in this section. Emacs - the original "IDE" (???) gdb for debugging (nicer with DDD front end, IMHO) make and Makefiles gcc What else do "real" Linux developers use? Maybe I'm suffering a brain cramp this evening, but your input will help. Also, are there any tools or compilers for Pascal? Remember, the Delphi folks understand Pascal, and I'm sure they will ask this question. (It has been 20 years since I programmed anything in Pascal...). Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | Osborn's Law: Variables won't; constants Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | aren't. Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | http://www.wlug.org |

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Viper

On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Keith Wright wrote: > > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> > > > > I am starting to write up the last 1/3 of my presentation to the Delphi > > Developers group, and its the section on developer tools and utilities. I'd > > like some input from you folks as to what I should include in this section. > > > > Emacs - the original "IDE" (???) > > What are those questions marks for? Of course Emacs. > > > gdb for debugging (nicer with DDD front end, IMHO) > > make and Makefiles > > gcc > > > > What else do "real" Linux developers use? Maybe I'm suffering a brain cramp > > this evening, but your input will help. > > Real Programmers don't use a debugger, but you can talk about it if you > have time. I've never used Perl (except by accident) but there are those > who find it useful. (Those who find it beautiful are perverts, don't talk to them.) As far as I knew real programmers do use debuggers unless we all have become perfect coders for some crazy reason now. > > > Also, are there any tools or compilers for Pascal? Remember, the Delphi folks > > understand Pascal, and I'm sure they will ask this question. (It has been 20 > > years since I programmed anything in Pascal...). > > There is a Pascal to C translator laying about. I tried to use it once, > but the Pascal program I had was not in any of the four or five dialects > of Pascal that it knew, so it didn't work very well. If you were writting > the program yourself and could avoid extentions of dubious parentage, > it might work better. Unfortunately, anybody who is using Pascal for > anything other than teaching CS101, as intended, has probably locked themselves > into some bastard proprietary version that will never run anywhere unless > the company that owns it decides it should. The original implementation > of Pascal by Wirth was quite portable, I ported it myself once so I know. > Somebody must have put it on Linux by now, but I don't know any details. > > -=>Viper<=-

April 16, 2001