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Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Rodrigo Gomes

Thanks for the help guys!!! I think I'll sign up for speakeasy, is looking good. Once again, tkz! Rod. -----Original Message----- From: "Rodrigo Gomes" <gomes_k(a)dr.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:26:36 +0800 To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's > Hey there, > I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! > > Thanks. > Rod. > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! > > http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:/… > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:/…

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Hemstreet, Jeffrey

I have Charter in Holden, and it's been excellent. I would call them though... it still takes about 10 minutes to get through, but I have only had to call them once with a problem in the past year. The speed & reliability are great, but the phone/service are pretty slow. jeff -----Original Message----- From: Rodrigo Gomes [mailto:gomes_k@dr.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:27 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's Hey there, I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! Thanks. Rod. -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:// www.getpennytalk.com _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by dibb_jim＠emc.com

I agree with Tim. PPPoE is a pain, but if you have a router (Linksys Befsr41) it's essentially transparent except for maybe a few % performance. Still great compared to 56k. -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:17 AM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's Hey, when my point of reference was a 56k modem that got a sustained throughput of 5kb a second, crappy DSL will always be better than great modem service. I agree that the PPPoE stuff is crap. As for the NAT stuff, I'm using a netgear RP114 that provides DHCP/NAT/PPPoE plus it does port forwarding of ssh to my linux box and I'm yet to have a problem. Though as always, don't call the tech support, you'd have better luck jabbing a chopstick in your eye. As for Clint's comment, my parents have charter and haven't had a problem except that now everybody has charter in the neighborhood it gets useless from around 7pm to 9pm. So its stable, but the speed fluctuates greatly. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Charles R . Anderson [mailto:cra@WPI.EDU] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:00 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:26:15AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: Tim.Keller> I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no Tim.Keller> down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple Tim.Keller> people in WLUG use them and are happy. Yuck. Verizon uses PPPoE, a broken-by-design protocol (sort of like PPTP, which is also broken by design). You will have performance problems if you try to use NAT with PPPoE due to the reduced MTU. I also highly recommend Speakeasy. They are best-of-breed as far as DSL companies go. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by webmaster

Hello, Charter has been good.. in the last year I've had only one major outage. The 3Com modem was no good, I purchased the modem instead of "renting" one.. they replaced it for free with a new Motorola modem! As others has said.. e-mail customer service is non-existant. On the phone.. I never waited long. Must have been lucky on that! Speed.. has been good, I haven't seen any problems. The one problem I do have is the TOS doesn't allow servers of any kind, if you want that, you need a business account. Charter also blocks port 80 (http) now. Rob rmahlert(a)charter.net webmaster(a)atari-users.net

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Keller, Tim

Hey, when my point of reference was a 56k modem that got a sustained throughput of 5kb a second, crappy DSL will always be better than great modem service. I agree that the PPPoE stuff is crap. As for the NAT stuff, I'm using a netgear RP114 that provides DHCP/NAT/PPPoE plus it does port forwarding of ssh to my linux box and I'm yet to have a problem. Though as always, don't call the tech support, you'd have better luck jabbing a chopstick in your eye. As for Clint's comment, my parents have charter and haven't had a problem except that now everybody has charter in the neighborhood it gets useless from around 7pm to 9pm. So its stable, but the speed fluctuates greatly. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Charles R . Anderson [mailto:cra@WPI.EDU] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:00 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:26:15AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: Tim.Keller> I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no Tim.Keller> down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple Tim.Keller> people in WLUG use them and are happy. Yuck. Verizon uses PPPoE, a broken-by-design protocol (sort of like PPTP, which is also broken by design). You will have performance problems if you try to use NAT with PPPoE due to the reduced MTU. I also highly recommend Speakeasy. They are best-of-breed as far as DSL companies go. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Clint Moyer

I've had zero problems with Charter for a year now. But you will need to call not email them. The installer is likely to be Linux-illiterate, so let him hook up to a Win* box initially then set up your own config later. I'd also be leery of letting him install a NIC. Make sure you've done that beforehand. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of dibb_jim(a)emc.com Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:58 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's Verizon got a lot of bad press (probably deserved) but for the past 8 months at least my service in Framingham has been very solid. The news servers are so slow as to be almost useless and there's a funny restriction about what domain must be used to send e-mail, but neither of those really affect me. Check out http://www.dslreports.com for tons of info on dsl. -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:26 AM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple people in WLUG use them and are happy. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Rodrigo Gomes [mailto:gomes_k@dr.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:27 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's Hey there, I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! Thanks. Rod. -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:// www.getpennytalk.com _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 26, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Charles R . Anderson

On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:26:15AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: Tim.Keller> I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no Tim.Keller> down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple Tim.Keller> people in WLUG use them and are happy. Yuck. Verizon uses PPPoE, a broken-by-design protocol (sort of like PPTP, which is also broken by design). You will have performance problems if you try to use NAT with PPPoE due to the reduced MTU. I also highly recommend Speakeasy. They are best-of-breed as far as DSL companies go. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by dibb_jim＠emc.com

Verizon got a lot of bad press (probably deserved) but for the past 8 months at least my service in Framingham has been very solid. The news servers are so slow as to be almost useless and there's a funny restriction about what domain must be used to send e-mail, but neither of those really affect me. Check out http://www.dslreports.com for tons of info on dsl. -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:26 AM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple people in WLUG use them and are happy. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Rodrigo Gomes [mailto:gomes_k@dr.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:27 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's Hey there, I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! Thanks. Rod. -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:// www.getpennytalk.com _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 26, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Rodrigo Gomes wrote: > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:26:36 +0800 > From: Rodrigo Gomes <gomes_k(a)dr.com> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's > > Hey there, > I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! > > Thanks. > Rod. > -- <snip> Rod, I heard so many horror stories about DSL (going out of business, service battles between the ISP and the phone co.) that I went with my cable company (charter). Charter pretty much ignores email -- they are fairly clueless. However, the connection is usually quite good, and very good uptime. I'm on DHCP, and my IP has only changed once, following the worst downtime I've sen following a storm. The only service I expose is ssh and an occasional proxy server. Even after subscribing, I find that they don't pay attention to email, and the wait on the phones is painful. But, since I was already getting cable TV from them, the digital pipeline service made the most sense. Bill

Nov. 26, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Frank Sweetser

On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:26:36PM +0800, Rodrigo Gomes wrote: > Hey there, > I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a > chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to > contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If > someone knows a good ISP, let me know! http://www.speakeasy.net/ Reasonable price, full speed, *flawless* service, very reasonable TOS which pretty much lets you do anything (run servers, NAT, etc) as long as you don't cause a problem for anyone else, excellent online management system, reduced setup fees if you're willing to plug in the box yourself. I started my DSL order around 9pm on a Saturday night. 5 minutes later I was able to log into their online system, and view the ongoing order log, which includes correspondence beween Speakeasy and Covad. Two weeks later, the self install kit showed up. I plugged it in, and it just worked, zero problems. Besides, how can you go wrong with an ISP clued enough to provide gaming servers at each POP? -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 15 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | Some people are pragmatists, taking things as they come and making the best of the choices available. Some people are idealists, standing for principle and refusing to compromise. And some people just act on any whim that enters their heads. I pragmatically turn my whims into principles! -- Calvin

Nov. 26, 2001