We've got a meeting next week on the 13th!
Hey Gang! We've got a meeting next week! Note, I won't be using our own Jitsi server but going to back to the old one since we've had so many issues. If there's a topic that people would like us to tackle, I'd be up for it! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".
Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
We've got a meeting next week! Note, I won't be using our own Jitsi server but going to back to the old one since we've had so many issues.
I think part of the problem was with my micophone to webserver interface. At this point I am thinking of this more as a test than a meeting, but I plan to do it.
If there's a topic that people would like us to tackle, I'd be up for it!
I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the latest hardware, but the radio said something about ARM processor that caught my attention. ARM means rasberry pi means Linux, no? Wikipedia has an enormous article (the Citations alone are 11 pages two column) but the last thing on the page seems to say that Wine is no longer for playing Windows games on Linux, but that MS needs it to prop up the ass end of their sorry operating system. Is the monopoly gone? The radio also speaks of Nvidia. They sell those Invidious graphics cards. The ones that need special secret drivers that only work if you have the right *.dll? It seems that everyone now needs them to do Artifical Intelligence (all rise). Have they changed their attitude, or is it like: "Here's your AI. Pay the monthly bill to retain your licence to use it. Any attempt to try to find out what it does or how it works will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law of Connecticut."? -- Keith
Keith, It wasn't just you. It seems that it maxes out at some low number of users.. why.. worth investigating, but not at the expense of people being able to get into the meeting. Yeah, ARM for linux has been the "hotness" for a while. Pi definitely brought it to the forefront, but now more and more there are viable arm desktops. As for the AI, there are some FOSS solutions out there that are shockingly amazing. "ollama" is just one of them. No need to pay NVidia for AMD for the privilege. Tim. On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 1:58 PM Keith Wright <kwright@keithdiane.us> wrote:
Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
We've got a meeting next week! Note, I won't be using our own Jitsi server but going to back to the old one since we've had so many issues.
I think part of the problem was with my micophone to webserver interface.
At this point I am thinking of this more as a test than a meeting, but I plan to do it.
If there's a topic that people would like us to tackle, I'd be up for it!
I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the latest hardware, but the radio said something about ARM processor that caught my attention. ARM means rasberry pi means Linux, no? Wikipedia has an enormous article (the Citations alone are 11 pages two column) but the last thing on the page seems to say that Wine is no longer for playing Windows games on Linux, but that MS needs it to prop up the ass end of their sorry operating system. Is the monopoly gone?
The radio also speaks of Nvidia. They sell those Invidious graphics cards. The ones that need special secret drivers that only work if you have the right *.dll? It seems that everyone now needs them to do Artifical Intelligence (all rise). Have they changed their attitude, or is it like: "Here's your AI. Pay the monthly bill to retain your licence to use it. Any attempt to try to find out what it does or how it works will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law of Connecticut."?
-- Keith
-- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".
Are there any shipping ARM boards/chips for the consumer market? Quick look just shows a few ATX server boards with, relatively, ancient ARMs bundled. The stuff Apple is shipping has the same T2 "problem" the later intel machines have with running linux, it's kind of a pain, delicate, and ruins the point of having the hardware security in the first place. It'd be amazing if they'd work on 1st party support but considering their business model I don't see that ever happening. On the server side, I'm loving ARM. I saw the revolution coming back when AWS Graviton was first announced. Pushed a lot of things at work over early. With go binaries it's as simple as a compile flag. Graviton2 offerings were ~1/3 off the equivalent intel machines for EC2, similar discount for lambda. For some of our workloads they were faster than intel too. Haven't had occasion to test the grav3 stuff but I imagine it's better still. If you've got things in interpreted language, go, or projects that have been cross-arch and stable a while- mariadb, postgresql, nginx, et al., definitely would suggest seeing how it'd work for you. --- soup On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 12:20 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Keith,
It wasn't just you. It seems that it maxes out at some low number of users.. why.. worth investigating, but not at the expense of people being able to get into the meeting.
Yeah, ARM for linux has been the "hotness" for a while. Pi definitely brought it to the forefront, but now more and more there are viable arm desktops.
As for the AI, there are some FOSS solutions out there that are shockingly amazing. "ollama" is just one of them. No need to pay NVidia for AMD for the privilege.
Tim.
On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 1:58 PM Keith Wright <kwright@keithdiane.us> wrote:
Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
We've got a meeting next week! Note, I won't be using our own Jitsi server but going to back to the old one since we've had so many issues.
I think part of the problem was with my micophone to webserver interface.
At this point I am thinking of this more as a test than a meeting, but I plan to do it.
If there's a topic that people would like us to tackle, I'd be up for it!
I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the latest hardware, but the radio said something about ARM processor that caught my attention. ARM means rasberry pi means Linux, no? Wikipedia has an enormous article (the Citations alone are 11 pages two column) but the last thing on the page seems to say that Wine is no longer for playing Windows games on Linux, but that MS needs it to prop up the ass end of their sorry operating system. Is the monopoly gone?
The radio also speaks of Nvidia. They sell those Invidious graphics cards. The ones that need special secret drivers that only work if you have the right *.dll? It seems that everyone now needs them to do Artifical Intelligence (all rise). Have they changed their attitude, or is it like: "Here's your AI. Pay the monthly bill to retain your licence to use it. Any attempt to try to find out what it does or how it works will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law of Connecticut."?
-- Keith
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"Here's your AI. Pay the monthly bill to retain your licence to use it. Any attempt to try to find out what it does or how it works will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law of Connecticut."?
Correction: Delaware. It's just a joke, but it's been bothering me that I fumbled the punchline. I checked to make sure I spelled the state right, but forgot that Delaware is where corporations go when they want to buy a government.
Nvidia Corporation is an American multinational corporation and technology company headquartered in Santa Clara, California, and incorporated in Delaware. --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia
Strange coincidence. Just an unincorporated person, -- Keith
In my data center I've got a bunch of Ampere ARM servers and they're awesome. U.2 NVME, lots of PCI slots, etc. https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/everything-ive-learned-building-faste... Tim. On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 1:51 PM soup <soupforare@gmail.com> wrote:
Are there any shipping ARM boards/chips for the consumer market? Quick look just shows a few ATX server boards with, relatively, ancient ARMs bundled. The stuff Apple is shipping has the same T2 "problem" the later intel machines have with running linux, it's kind of a pain, delicate, and ruins the point of having the hardware security in the first place. It'd be amazing if they'd work on 1st party support but considering their business model I don't see that ever happening.
On the server side, I'm loving ARM. I saw the revolution coming back when AWS Graviton was first announced. Pushed a lot of things at work over early. With go binaries it's as simple as a compile flag. Graviton2 offerings were ~1/3 off the equivalent intel machines for EC2, similar discount for lambda. For some of our workloads they were faster than intel too. Haven't had occasion to test the grav3 stuff but I imagine it's better still. If you've got things in interpreted language, go, or projects that have been cross-arch and stable a while- mariadb, postgresql, nginx, et al., definitely would suggest seeing how it'd work for you.
--- soup
On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 12:20 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Keith,
It wasn't just you. It seems that it maxes out at some low number of users.. why.. worth investigating, but not at the expense of people being able to get into the meeting.
Yeah, ARM for linux has been the "hotness" for a while. Pi definitely brought it to the forefront, but now more and more there are viable arm desktops.
As for the AI, there are some FOSS solutions out there that are shockingly amazing. "ollama" is just one of them. No need to pay NVidia for AMD for the privilege.
Tim.
On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 1:58 PM Keith Wright <kwright@keithdiane.us> wrote:
Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
We've got a meeting next week! Note, I won't be using our own Jitsi server but going to back to the old one since we've had so many issues.
I think part of the problem was with my micophone to webserver interface.
At this point I am thinking of this more as a test than a meeting, but I plan to do it.
If there's a topic that people would like us to tackle, I'd be up for it!
I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the latest hardware, but the radio said something about ARM processor that caught my attention. ARM means rasberry pi means Linux, no? Wikipedia has an enormous article (the Citations alone are 11 pages two column) but the last thing on the page seems to say that Wine is no longer for playing Windows games on Linux, but that MS needs it to prop up the ass end of their sorry operating system. Is the monopoly gone?
The radio also speaks of Nvidia. They sell those Invidious graphics cards. The ones that need special secret drivers that only work if you have the right *.dll? It seems that everyone now needs them to do Artifical Intelligence (all rise). Have they changed their attitude, or is it like: "Here's your AI. Pay the monthly bill to retain your licence to use it. Any attempt to try to find out what it does or how it works will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law of Connecticut."?
-- Keith
-- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/K35PAK...
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Damn that's some metal. Pricing is up there for a workstation though. It'll drop hopefully, especially with Win11 ARM on the horizon. Much obliged for the info. --- soup On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 4:19 PM Tim Keller <turbofx@gmail.com> wrote:
In my data center I've got a bunch of Ampere ARM servers and they're awesome. U.2 NVME, lots of PCI slots, etc.
https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/everything-ive-learned-building-faste...
Tim.
On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 1:51 PM soup <soupforare@gmail.com> wrote:
Are there any shipping ARM boards/chips for the consumer market? Quick look just shows a few ATX server boards with, relatively, ancient ARMs bundled. The stuff Apple is shipping has the same T2 "problem" the later intel machines have with running linux, it's kind of a pain, delicate, and ruins the point of having the hardware security in the first place. It'd be amazing if they'd work on 1st party support but considering their business model I don't see that ever happening.
On the server side, I'm loving ARM. I saw the revolution coming back when AWS Graviton was first announced. Pushed a lot of things at work over early. With go binaries it's as simple as a compile flag. Graviton2 offerings were ~1/3 off the equivalent intel machines for EC2, similar discount for lambda. For some of our workloads they were faster than intel too. Haven't had occasion to test the grav3 stuff but I imagine it's better still. If you've got things in interpreted language, go, or projects that have been cross-arch and stable a while- mariadb, postgresql, nginx, et al., definitely would suggest seeing how it'd work for you.
--- soup
On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 12:20 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Keith,
It wasn't just you. It seems that it maxes out at some low number of users.. why.. worth investigating, but not at the expense of people being able to get into the meeting.
Yeah, ARM for linux has been the "hotness" for a while. Pi definitely brought it to the forefront, but now more and more there are viable arm desktops.
As for the AI, there are some FOSS solutions out there that are shockingly amazing. "ollama" is just one of them. No need to pay NVidia for AMD for the privilege.
Tim.
On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 1:58 PM Keith Wright <kwright@keithdiane.us> wrote:
Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
We've got a meeting next week! Note, I won't be using our own Jitsi server but going to back to the old one since we've had so many issues.
I think part of the problem was with my micophone to webserver interface.
At this point I am thinking of this more as a test than a meeting, but I plan to do it.
If there's a topic that people would like us to tackle, I'd be up for it!
I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the latest hardware, but the radio said something about ARM processor that caught my attention. ARM means rasberry pi means Linux, no? Wikipedia has an enormous article (the Citations alone are 11 pages two column) but the last thing on the page seems to say that Wine is no longer for playing Windows games on Linux, but that MS needs it to prop up the ass end of their sorry operating system. Is the monopoly gone?
The radio also speaks of Nvidia. They sell those Invidious graphics cards. The ones that need special secret drivers that only work if you have the right *.dll? It seems that everyone now needs them to do Artifical Intelligence (all rise). Have they changed their attitude, or is it like: "Here's your AI. Pay the monthly bill to retain your licence to use it. Any attempt to try to find out what it does or how it works will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law of Connecticut."?
-- Keith
-- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/K35PAK...
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"soup" == soup via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
I suspect that now that Broadcom is releasing their new ARM CPU and MS is shipping windows on it, there will be alot more ARM based boards out there, and they should be pretty good for running linux. In my use case though, I'd be happy to run on ARM for my personal email hosting and simple web stuff, but it's the memory that's the killer. I want to get a Linode with more RAM (1gb just doesn't cut it when you try to run rspam...) so I can run postfix/dovecot/rspam and all the other stuff you need for doing email well these days. Stuff like setting up keys, DMARC, SPF, signing outgoing emails, re-signing forwarded emails, etc. It's honestly getting pretty damn tough to run your own mail server well these days.
Damn that's some metal. Pricing is up there for a workstation though. It'll drop hopefully, especially with Win11 ARM on the horizon. Much obliged for the info.
--- soup
On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 4:19 PM Tim Keller <turbofx@gmail.com> wrote:
In my data center I've got a bunch of Ampere ARM servers and they're awesome. U.2 NVME, lots of PCI slots, etc.
https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/everything-ive-learned-building-faste...
Tim.
On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 1:51 PM soup <soupforare@gmail.com> wrote:
Are there any shipping ARM boards/chips for the consumer market? Quick look just shows a few ATX server boards with, relatively, ancient ARMs bundled. The stuff Apple is shipping has the same T2 "problem" the later intel machines have with running linux, it's kind of a pain, delicate, and ruins the point of having the hardware security in the first place. It'd be amazing if they'd work on 1st party support but considering their business model I don't see that ever happening.
On the server side, I'm loving ARM. I saw the revolution coming back when AWS Graviton was first announced. Pushed a lot of things at work over early. With go binaries it's as simple as a compile flag. Graviton2 offerings were ~1/3 off the equivalent intel machines for EC2, similar discount for lambda. For some of our workloads they were faster than intel too. Haven't had occasion to test the grav3 stuff but I imagine it's better still. If you've got things in interpreted language, go, or projects that have been cross-arch and stable a while- mariadb, postgresql, nginx, et al., definitely would suggest seeing how it'd work for you.
--- soup
On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 12:20 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Keith,
It wasn't just you. It seems that it maxes out at some low number of users.. why.. worth investigating, but not at the expense of people being able to get into the meeting.
Yeah, ARM for linux has been the "hotness" for a while. Pi definitely brought it to the forefront, but now more and more there are viable arm desktops.
As for the AI, there are some FOSS solutions out there that are shockingly amazing. "ollama" is just one of them. No need to pay NVidia for AMD for the privilege.
Tim.
On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 1:58 PM Keith Wright <kwright@keithdiane.us> wrote:
Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
We've got a meeting next week! Note, I won't be using our own Jitsi server but going to back to the old one since we've had so many issues.
I think part of the problem was with my micophone to webserver interface.
At this point I am thinking of this more as a test than a meeting, but I plan to do it.
If there's a topic that people would like us to tackle, I'd be up for it!
I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the latest hardware, but the radio said something about ARM processor that caught my attention. ARM means rasberry pi means Linux, no? Wikipedia has an enormous article (the Citations alone are 11 pages two column) but the last thing on the page seems to say that Wine is no longer for playing Windows games on Linux, but that MS needs it to prop up the ass end of their sorry operating system. Is the monopoly gone?
The radio also speaks of Nvidia. They sell those Invidious graphics cards. The ones that need special secret drivers that only work if you have the right *.dll? It seems that everyone now needs them to do Artifical Intelligence (all rise). Have they changed their attitude, or is it like: "Here's your AI. Pay the monthly bill to retain your licence to use it. Any attempt to try to find out what it does or how it works will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law of Connecticut."?
-- Keith
-- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/K35PAK...
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