Are there any shipping ARM boards/chips for the consumer market? Quick look just shows a few ATX server boards with, relatively, ancient ARMs bundled.

The stuff Apple is shipping has the same T2 "problem" the later intel machines have with running linux, it's kind of a pain, delicate, and ruins the point of having the hardware security in the first place. It'd be amazing if they'd work on 1st party support but considering their business model I don't see that ever happening.

On the server side, I'm loving ARM. I saw the revolution coming back when AWS Graviton was first announced. Pushed a lot of things at work over early. With go binaries it's as simple as a compile flag. Graviton2 offerings were ~1/3 off the equivalent intel machines for EC2, similar discount for lambda. For some of our workloads they were faster than intel too. Haven't had occasion to test the grav3 stuff but I imagine it's better still.

If you've got things in interpreted language, go, or projects that have been cross-arch and stable a while- mariadb, postgresql, nginx, et al., definitely would suggest seeing how it'd work for you.

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soup

On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 12:20 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:

Keith,

It wasn't just you. It seems that it maxes out at some low number of users.. why.. worth investigating, but not at the expense of people being able to get into the meeting.

Yeah, ARM for linux has been the "hotness" for a while. Pi definitely brought it to the forefront, but now more and more there are viable arm desktops.

As for the AI, there are some FOSS solutions out there that are shockingly amazing. "ollama" is just one of them.

No need to pay NVidia for AMD for the privilege.

Tim.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 1:58 PM Keith Wright <kwright@keithdiane.us> wrote:

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:

> We've got a meeting next week! Note, I won't be using our own Jitsi server
> but going to back to the old one since we've had so many issues.

I think part of the problem was with my micophone to webserver
interface.

At this point I am thinking of this more as a test than a meeting,
but I plan to do it.

> If there's a topic that people would like us to tackle, I'd be up for it!

I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the latest hardware, but
the radio said something about ARM processor that caught my attention.
ARM means rasberry pi means Linux, no?  Wikipedia has an enormous
article (the Citations alone are 11 pages two column) but the last
thing on the page seems to say that Wine is no longer for playing
Windows games on Linux, but that MS needs it to prop up the ass end
of their sorry operating system.  Is the monopoly gone?

The radio also speaks of Nvidia.  They sell those Invidious graphics
cards.  The ones that need special secret drivers that only work if
you have the right *.dll?  It seems that everyone now needs them to
do Artifical Intelligence (all rise).  Have they changed their attitude,
or is it like: "Here's your AI.  Pay the monthly bill to retain your
licence to use it.  Any attempt to try to find out what it does or
how it works will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law of
Connecticut."?

  -- Keith

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