Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9
I don't have any old DEC equipment anymore, but I started my so-called IT career on a PDP-11 out in gorgeous Gardner, MA back in 1986. It ran RSX for an engineering CAD/CAM shop and we also had a VAX 780 running VMS 3.5. Last version of VMS I've worked with was 7.1, right here in Wormtown. I love Linux but I have to say I also was in love with VMS. Rumor had it, back in '89, that there was a field somewhere off Route 12 in Leominster, where DEC had dumped loads and loads of equipment, including computers, printers, cables, you-name-it. One of my operators when I was a sys admin at DEC Marlborough at that time had his front yard filled with that stuff, and the weather allegedly had no effect on any of it. I would imagine by now that the field, if it ever existed, is now a condo development or a semi-abandoned strip mall. Cheers from South Woostuh! On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request@mail.wlug.org> wrote:
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1. Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Ken Jones) 2. Re: Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Jorden Mauro) 3. Re: Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Doug Chamberlin)
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:02:40 -0400 From: "Ken Jones" <kjones@ziplink.net> Subject: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC To: <wlug@mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <94F4CAE4ED0C4AC0BB1660AF1C3A9586@kjonespc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick.
I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my old "lost" files. Hurray!!
Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with?
Ken Jones
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Message: 2 Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:35:45 -0400 From: Jorden Mauro <jrm8005@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug@mail.wlug.org> Cc: "<wlug@mail.wlug.org>" <wlug@mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <52DB5519-B9DE-47AE-9DC6-FE7E2899906A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
On May 18, 2010, at 10:02 PM, "Ken Jones" <kjones@ziplink.net> wrote:
I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick.
I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my old "lost" files. Hurray!!
Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with?
'fraid even the computer history museum is still looking for parts to get one that can boot.
You can run v7 Unix in a special pdp11 VM for old time sake, though. It even has a working version of Ken's chess.
If anyone knows PDP assembly, I'd love to see that program ported into the 21st century.
Ken Jones
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Message: 3 Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:09:12 -0400 From: Doug Chamberlin <dougchamberlin@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC To: wlug@mail.wlug.org Message-ID: <4BF3D4E8.9080303@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:28 PM, David Hardy <belovedbold357@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't have any old DEC equipment anymore, but I started my so-called IT career on a PDP-11 out in gorgeous Gardner, MA back in 1986. It ran RSX for an engineering CAD/CAM shop and we also had a VAX 780 running VMS 3.5. Last version of VMS I've worked with was 7.1, right here in Wormtown. I love Linux but I have to say I also was in love with VMS. Rumor had it, back in '89, that there was a field somewhere off Route 12 in Leominster, where DEC had dumped loads and loads of equipment, including computers, printers, cables, you-name-it. One of my operators when I was a sys admin at DEC Marlborough at that time had his front yard filled with that stuff, and the weather allegedly had no effect on any of it. I would imagine by now that the field, if it ever existed, is now a condo development or a semi-abandoned strip mall. Cheers from South Woostuh!
I think DEC had a big facility along route 70 in Lancaster (near route 2) that was sold to Mass. Youth Soccer. That's right near Leominster. -- Rich
"Richard" == Richard Klein <richspk@gmail.com> writes:
Richard> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:28 PM, David Hardy <belovedbold357@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't have any old DEC equipment anymore, but I started my so-called IT career on a PDP-11 out in gorgeous Gardner, MA back in 1986. It ran RSX for an engineering CAD/CAM shop and we also had a VAX 780 running VMS 3.5. Last version of VMS I've worked with was 7.1, right here in Wormtown. I love Linux but I have to say I also was in love with VMS. Rumor had it, back in '89, that there was a field somewhere off Route 12 in Leominster, where DEC had dumped loads and loads of equipment, including computers, printers, cables, you-name-it. One of my operators when I was a sys admin at DEC Marlborough at that time had his front yard filled with that stuff, and the weather allegedly had no effect on any of it. I would imagine by now that the field, if it ever existed, is now a condo development or a semi-abandoned strip mall. Cheers from South Woostuh!
Richard> I think DEC had a big facility along route 70 in Lancaster Richard> (near route 2) that was sold to Mass. Youth Soccer. That's Richard> right near Leominster. Umm... Rt 70 runs from Worcester out to Clinton and beyond. The facility you're thinking about is in Boylston, and it now the town hall, etc. Now I know this 'cause I live in Boylston. :]
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:38 PM, John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org> wrote:
"Richard" == Richard Klein <richspk@gmail.com> writes:
Richard> I think DEC had a big facility along route 70 in Lancaster Richard> (near route 2) that was sold to Mass. Youth Soccer. That's Richard> right near Leominster.
Umm... Rt 70 runs from Worcester out to Clinton and beyond. The facility you're thinking about is in Boylston, and it now the town hall, etc.
Now I know this 'cause I live in Boylston. :]
Heh. I live in Clinton. Route 70 does, in fact, run through Lancaster, where it's also called Lunenburg Rd. It's right by Norm Wagner Toyota: http://maps.google.com/maps?cid=0,0,5185522724830873118 (I elided the bits of the URL that I though were irrelevant. It still works for me, but may not for you.) I guess Lancaster would be part of "beyond". :) -- Rich
"Richard" == Richard Klein <richspk@gmail.com> writes:
Richard> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:38 PM, John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org> wrote:
"Richard" == Richard Klein <richspk@gmail.com> writes:
Richard> I think DEC had a big facility along route 70 in Lancaster Richard> (near route 2) that was sold to Mass. Youth Soccer. That's Richard> right near Leominster.
Umm... Rt 70 runs from Worcester out to Clinton and beyond. The facility you're thinking about is in Boylston, and it now the town hall, etc.
Now I know this 'cause I live in Boylston. :]
Richard> Heh. I live in Clinton. Route 70 does, in fact, run through Richard> Lancaster, where it's also called Lunenburg Rd. It's right Richard> by Norm Wagner Toyota: Richard> http://maps.google.com/maps?cid=0,0,5185522724830873118 (I Richard> elided the bits of the URL that I though were irrelevant. It Richard> still works for me, but may not for you.) Heh, you're right! I'm just too focused on my own little stretch of 70 I guess. I don't get up there at all very often. Richard> I guess Lancaster would be part of "beyond". :) Sorta like how when I grew up in NY, anything above the Tappan Zee bridge was "upstate" to me. :]
I too retain a fondness for VMS. Which is why, even though I had Debian running on my VaxStation 3100, I still went back to OpenVMS (despite the need to buy an annual software license). On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:28 PM, David Hardy <belovedbold357@gmail.com>wrote:
I don't have any old DEC equipment anymore, but I started my so-called IT career on a PDP-11 out in gorgeous Gardner, MA back in 1986. It ran RSX for an engineering CAD/CAM shop and we also had a VAX 780 running VMS 3.5. Last version of VMS I've worked with was 7.1, right here in Wormtown. I love Linux but I have to say I also was in love with VMS.
Rumor had it, back in '89, that there was a field somewhere off Route 12 in Leominster, where DEC had dumped loads and loads of equipment, including computers, printers, cables, you-name-it. One of my operators when I was a sys admin at DEC Marlborough at that time had his front yard filled with that stuff, and the weather allegedly had no effect on any of it.
I would imagine by now that the field, if it ever existed, is now a condo development or a semi-abandoned strip mall.
Cheers from South Woostuh!
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request@mail.wlug.org> wrote:
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:02:40 -0400 From: "Ken Jones" <kjones@ziplink.net> Subject: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC To: <wlug@mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <94F4CAE4ED0C4AC0BB1660AF1C3A9586@kjonespc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick.
I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my old "lost" files. Hurray!!
Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with?
Ken Jones
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Message: 2 Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:35:45 -0400 From: Jorden Mauro <jrm8005@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug@mail.wlug.org> Cc: "<wlug@mail.wlug.org>" <wlug@mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <52DB5519-B9DE-47AE-9DC6-FE7E2899906A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
On May 18, 2010, at 10:02 PM, "Ken Jones" <kjones@ziplink.net> wrote:
I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick.
I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my old "lost" files. Hurray!!
Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with?
'fraid even the computer history museum is still looking for parts to get one that can boot.
You can run v7 Unix in a special pdp11 VM for old time sake, though. It even has a working version of Ken's chess.
If anyone knows PDP assembly, I'd love to see that program ported into the 21st century.
Ken Jones
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Message: 3 Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:09:12 -0400 From: Doug Chamberlin <dougchamberlin@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC To: wlug@mail.wlug.org Message-ID: <4BF3D4E8.9080303@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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On 5/19/2010 2:02 PM, Adam Gomes wrote:
I too retain a fondness for VMS. Which is why, even though I had Debian running on my VaxStation 3100, I still went back to OpenVMS (despite the need to buy an annual software license). Yes, VMS rocked. Best OS ever, IMO.
Based on energy inefficiency alone I just cannot justify firing up one of these machines to run it. I sure wish HP would stop with the Itanium-only strategy and come out with a version running on AMD-64 chips! I'd get a hobbiest license if they did that. -- Doug C. ----- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
Doug C. Says,
Yes, VMS rocked. Best OS ever, IMO.
Naa. AOS/VS wiped the floor with VMS. ;-) But really, those OSes were great at the time but I can't image ever wanting to return to them. Linux and any UNIX is just so much more efficient, functional and fun. -- Gary
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Gary Hanley <gary@hanley.net> wrote:
Doug C. Says,
Yes, VMS rocked. Best OS ever, IMO.
Naa. AOS/VS wiped the floor with VMS. ;-)
Plan 9 > * Too bad it can hardly browse the web.
But really, those OSes were great at the time but I can't image ever wanting to return to them. Linux and any UNIX is just so much more efficient, functional and fun.
-- Gary
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Jorden> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Gary Hanley <gary@hanley.net> wrote:
Doug C. Says,
Yes, VMS rocked. Best OS ever, IMO.
Naa. AOS/VS wiped the floor with VMS. ;-)
Jorden> Plan 9 > * Jorden> Too bad it can hardly browse the web. Heh, I've got a pristine boxed copy of Plan9 sitting on my shelves, just the day I decide to fire up a VM and have it running and useable. Now that would be neat to do. John
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:37 PM, John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org> wrote:
Jorden> Plan 9 > *
Jorden> Too bad it can hardly browse the web.
Heh, I've got a pristine boxed copy of Plan9 sitting on my shelves, just the day I decide to fire up a VM and have it running and useable. Now that would be neat to do.
9vx provides a pre-packaged lightweight Plan 9 VM that possibly integrates better with the host system than an older, unpatched shrink-wrapped copy in a VM. Just FYI. Personally, I'd keep it in the box just for nostalgia. Maybe you could make a tag that reads: The OS That Should Have Won But Didn't. Oh well. Back to GNU and Firefox...
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