I might be in the market for a new laptop soon and this definitely goes on the list. Chris, what has your roomates experience been with the durability? Tim. On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 1:38 PM Chris Thompson via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:

They are quite good. My housemate/coworker got one. We work exclusively in free software. He put Garuda on it and has full functionality, but did have to do a tweak or two. He got the 12th gen, and purchased ram/ssd separately (they price those pretty high).

Regards, Chris

On 11/3/22 13:11, David Glaser via WLUG wrote:

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I ran across a laptop company called Framework

https://frame.work/

that sells an upgrade-able laptop.

Has anyone had any experience with their products?

-David

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Hi all, I asked about it when I got home tonight and there were a few comments: - The one item that has been a distraction to him is that the fan ramps up on occasion (for no apparent reason). I have noticed the fan noise myself at times - it's not the quietest @ 100%. He blames something in Garuda, but hasn't nailed down what it is yet (KDE on a Core 12th gen). If I were to run `stress --cpu 16` on my T14 AMD 2nd Gen, I won't hear my fan over his despite sitting at our own computers. - He got the DIY version and REALLY appreciated the build experience. Everything that's good about the framework really stands out when you put one together. I've helped him change a video card in the past - he's not a huge hardware geek, but got this together with zero issue. Everything has a QR code for getting directly to instructions if you need them. - Frame.work has successfully transitioned from 11th gen to 12th so far, successfully keeping the frame, etc. A neat thing about this is that there are community designs (i.e. printable cases) allowing you to build an SFF PC based on your previous gen mainboard, should you upgrade. - There are decent community forum pages covering various distros on framework's site. The arch page (as is so often the case) is a great help for finding a consolidated list of tweaks you may need. - One thing that may be noteworthy to people not fond of using wireless networking when they don't have to is that the 2.5Gbit/s Ethernet adapter (which was only recently released) sticks out the side. I believe it's the only module that does. I guess it's whatever...they are easy enough to swap out when you want to get to a better "on the go mode". It's an RTL8156 and should work fine (linux 5.13+). Wireless has been great. - He recommends checking out the LTT video(s) on it and said their review matches his perception, though none of the minor qualms they had about the device have been concerns for him (links below). - The screen frame didn't review all that well from LTT. They did since change the design for the 12th gen ( https://knowledgebase.frame.work/explainer-lid-rigidity-hinge-force-the-cnc-... ). It feels pretty comparable to my T14, but I'm pretty sure he'd have a fair bit easier task changing his than I would, should it ever actually be necessary. - He got this laptop about a month and a half ago, so not much more we can offer about reliability. I'd scan their forums. LTT videos (note, Linus did invest nearly $250k in Frame.work): https://www.youtube.com/c/LinusTechTips/search?query=frame.work There was another recent LTT video (a quick take or something like that) about an HP laptop. It seems that perhaps the framework may be having some impact on other manufacturer's repairability? NOT the same as upgrading the mainboard, but still a good thing: LTT (sponsored by HP) video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8lsUvil_S8 Enjoy! Chris On 11/3/22 15:48, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote:

I might be in the market for a new laptop soon and this definitely goes on the list.

Chris, what has your roomates experience been with the durability? Tim.

On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 1:38 PM Chris Thompson via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:

They are quite good. My housemate/coworker got one. We work exclusively in free software. He put Garuda on it and has full functionality, but did have to do a tweak or two. He got the 12th gen, and purchased ram/ssd separately (they price those pretty high).

Regards, Chris

On 11/3/22 13:11, David Glaser via WLUG wrote: > I ran across a laptop company called Framework > > https://frame.work/ > > that sells an upgrade-able laptop. > > Has anyone had any experience with their products? > > -David > > _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7W6L2X...

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"Bacon, John via WLUG" <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:

One of the WPI NetOps Workstudies bought one. She likes it a lot. The ordering process took 42 days. JOHN

Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting the last required field filled in? Or what? Does it run Linux?

-----Original Message----- From: David Glaser via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 1:11 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug@lists.wlug.org> Cc: David Glaser <dglaser@glaserresearch.net> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Framework Laptops

I ran across a laptop company called Framework

https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fframe.work...

Looks like Microsoft helpfully fixed your link to point to themselves. If you can't trust MS marketing who can you trust? In other news, I was off line for ten days. This may be relevant to those looking for an ISP. If you want to know more, here is more than you want to know: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/lossage.html -- Keith

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"Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:

On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:52:40PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote:

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Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting the last required field filled in? Or what?

Hi! I'm the workstudy in question. According to the emails I received for moving through each step in the process, it took 42 days from me submitting my deposit and me receiving a physical laptop that I could start using.

Would you be willing to come to a WLUG meeting and show off your new toy to the rest of us? I do like the idea of that laptop, but I'd like to get my hands on it to see how the feel of it really is.

For context, I ordered the "DIY edition" which didn't come with the RAM or storage. I ordered both on Amazon and they arrived a bit before the laptop.

I'm currently writing this from my Gentoo install on it! The only two issues I ran into was that the wifi card (Intel AX210) firmware wasn't in the "stable" kernel, so I had to keyword my system to ~amd64. The other issue I ran into was that kernel 5.19.12 had a bad display driver that caused flickering (https://community.frame.work/t/psa-dont-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-5-19-12/2317...)

Did you fix the flickering with a newer kernel version? Its been years since I ran Gentoo (got tired of all the recompiles, but this was 10+ years ago for sure....) and I thought it was pretty damn bleeding edge in terms of kernels. I'm currently running kernel 6.0.8 on my main Debian Buster home NFS/KVM/etc server and it works great, but it is headless. John

The other cool thing though: You can 3d print a case for the old board if you upgrade. I plan on making a dock for them that will fit in 2-3u with a usb-backplane with a 10gbe switch, and 2x usb-c 10gbe + Power delivery. You'd be able to pack them super dense. Great for a proxmox or harvester cluster. On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 3:12 PM Jason Couture <plaguethenet@gmail.com> wrote:

I've had no issues with mine on fedora. For what it's worth.

Highly recommend framework. Although I did get the runaround with support about a usb4 dock. Kept getting me to try windows, despite the fact I had.

But we have 3, they're rock solid.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 12:22 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:

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> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:

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On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:52:40PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote:

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Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting the last required field filled in? Or what?

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Hi! I'm the workstudy in question. According to the emails I received for moving through each step in the process, it took 42 days from me submitting my deposit and me receiving a physical laptop that I could start using.

Would you be willing to come to a WLUG meeting and show off your new toy to the rest of us? I do like the idea of that laptop, but I'd like to get my hands on it to see how the feel of it really is.

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For context, I ordered the "DIY edition" which didn't come with the RAM or storage. I ordered both on Amazon and they arrived a bit before the laptop.

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I'm currently writing this from my Gentoo install on it! The only two issues I ran into was that the wifi card (Intel AX210) firmware wasn't in the "stable" kernel, so I had to keyword my system to ~amd64. The other issue I ran into was that kernel 5.19.12 had a bad display driver that caused flickering ( https://community.frame.work/t/psa-dont-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-5-19-12/2317... )

Did you fix the flickering with a newer kernel version? Its been years since I ran Gentoo (got tired of all the recompiles, but this was 10+ years ago for sure....) and I thought it was pretty damn bleeding edge in terms of kernels.

I'm currently running kernel 6.0.8 on my main Debian Buster home NFS/KVM/etc server and it works great, but it is headless.

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It's been so long, where and when is the meeting again? I don't think I ever attended when I joined in 2012 or so. On Mon, Jan 16, 2023, 10:48 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:

We have a meeting coming up on the 26th, this sounds like a great starter topic!

Cara, would you be interested in coming to the meeting and doing a demo?

Thanks, Tim.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 3:14 PM Jason Couture via WLUG < wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:

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The other cool thing though: You can 3d print a case for the old board if you upgrade. I plan on making a dock for them that will fit in 2-3u with a usb-backplane with a 10gbe switch, and 2x usb-c 10gbe + Power delivery. You'd be able to pack them super dense. Great for a proxmox or harvester cluster.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 3:12 PM Jason Couture <plaguethenet@gmail.com> wrote:

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I've had no issues with mine on fedora. For what it's worth.

Highly recommend framework. Although I did get the runaround with support about a usb4 dock. Kept getting me to try windows, despite the fact I had.

But we have 3, they're rock solid.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 12:22 PM John Stoffel via WLUG < wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:

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On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:52:40PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote:

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Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting the last required field filled in? Or what?

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Hi! I'm the workstudy in question. According to the emails I received for moving through each step in the process, it took 42 days from me submitting my deposit and me receiving a physical laptop that I could start using.

Would you be willing to come to a WLUG meeting and show off your new toy to the rest of us? I do like the idea of that laptop, but I'd like to get my hands on it to see how the feel of it really is.

...

For context, I ordered the "DIY edition" which didn't come with the RAM or storage. I ordered both on Amazon and they arrived a bit before the laptop.

...

I'm currently writing this from my Gentoo install on it! The only two issues I ran into was that the wifi card (Intel AX210) firmware wasn't in the "stable" kernel, so I had to keyword my system to ~amd64. The other issue I ran into was that kernel 5.19.12 had a bad display driver that caused flickering ( https://community.frame.work/t/psa-dont-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-5-19-12/2317... )

Did you fix the flickering with a newer kernel version? Its been years since I ran Gentoo (got tired of all the recompiles, but this was 10+ years ago for sure....) and I thought it was pretty damn bleeding edge in terms of kernels.

I'm currently running kernel 6.0.8 on my main Debian Buster home NFS/KVM/etc server and it works great, but it is headless.

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