Hey Gang, As many of us have been watching the news, BroadCom has been gleefully destroying vmware at scale. I've been exploring FOSS replacements for esxi and one of those is Proxmox. It looks pretty cool and has a pretty awesome set of features. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".
Coincidentally, I just recently started in a support role at Scale Computing, which provides virtualization leveraging qemu/kvm, with their own proprietary clustered filesystem. Obviously I'm a bit biased since they pay me, but I have been pretty impressed with the product. On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 10:38 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Hey Gang,
As many of us have been watching the news, BroadCom has been gleefully destroying vmware at scale.
I've been exploring FOSS replacements for esxi and one of those is Proxmox. It looks pretty cool and has a pretty awesome set of features.
Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5JBZJP...
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I am using virtualbox running on Ubuntu 22.04 (not Pro). I know this is not an enterprise level solution. but this seems to do well (enough) for my personal needs. I am running Windows 10 Pro as well as some other random stuff in virtual machines. I am not a gamer. It has been functional/stable for quite awhile except for a very recent Kernel Update breaking virtual box. This may be fixed since virtualbox has automatically updated since this kernel update. I have not updated the kernel to confirm that virtualbox works with the new kernel. I will get a 'round tuit' when I do. On 1/25/2024 10:45 AM, Gregory Boyce via WLUG wrote:
Coincidentally, I just recently started in a support role at Scale Computing, which provides virtualization leveraging qemu/kvm, with their own proprietary clustered filesystem.
Obviously I'm a bit biased since they pay me, but I have been pretty impressed with the product.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 10:38 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Hey Gang,
As many of us have been watching the news, BroadCom has been gleefully destroying vmware at scale.
I've been exploring FOSS replacements for esxi and one of those is Proxmox. It looks pretty cool and has a pretty awesome set of features.
Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5JBZJP...
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"Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
I am using virtualbox running on Ubuntu 22.04 (not Pro).
I'm using plain KVM on Debian 12 at home and it works nicely. But I want more features like live migration of VMs. So I've started looking at ProxMox as well. Also for $WORK since Broadcom is busy shooting itself in the foot in regards to ESXi. This tutorial looks quite in-depth. Haven't spent enough time looking it over, and I'd need to find spare hardware to run things on. https://www.howtoforge.com/linux-self-hosted-environment/
I know this is not an enterprise level solution. but this seems to do well (enough) for my personal needs.
Yup, personal needs aren't as critical, but getting something to replace VMware might be key. And which is supported by Veeam as well.
I am running Windows 10 Pro as well as some other random stuff in virtual machines. I am not a gamer.
Me either! Except 'crawl', I'm adicted to v18.x of it. :-)
It has been functional/stable for quite awhile except for a very recent Kernel Update breaking virtual box. This may be fixed since virtualbox has automatically updated since this kernel update. I have not updated the kernel to confirm that virtualbox works with the new kernel. I will get a 'round tuit' when I do.
I'm leary of VirtualBox for a couple of reasons. 1. It's Oracle. 2. It's not quick on kernel updates and I like to run newer kernels if I can.
"Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Coincidentally, I just recently started in a support role at Scale Computing, which provides virtualization leveraging qemu/kvm, with their own proprietary clustered filesystem.
Can we convince you to come and give us a talk? This looks really interesting!
Obviously I'm a bit biased since they pay me, but I have been pretty impressed with the product.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 10:38 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Hey Gang,
As many of us have been watching the news, BroadCom has been gleefully destroying vmware at scale.
I've been exploring FOSS replacements for esxi and one of those is Proxmox. It looks pretty cool and has a pretty awesome set of features.
Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5JBZJP...
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Proxmox is it's own linux distro with a customized kernel that focuses on kvm. So installing it on a box takes it over. I've also setup a proxmox backup server and I'm doing backups of all my VMs in 30 minute intervals. It *feels* a bit like vsphere. The interface is *miles* better than OpenStack's interface. Tim. On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 5:03 PM John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org> wrote:
"Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Coincidentally, I just recently started in a support role at Scale Computing, which provides virtualization leveraging qemu/kvm, with their own proprietary clustered filesystem.
Can we convince you to come and give us a talk? This looks really interesting!
Obviously I'm a bit biased since they pay me, but I have been pretty impressed with the product.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 10:38 AM Tim Keller via WLUG < wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote:
Hey Gang,
As many of us have been watching the news, BroadCom has been
gleefully destroying vmware at
scale.
I've been exploring FOSS replacements for esxi and one of those is
Proxmox. It looks pretty
cool and has a pretty awesome set of features.
Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their
constituents as
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On 1/25/24 17:44, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote:
Proxmox is it's own linux distro with a customized kernel that focuses on kvm. So installing it on a box takes it over. I've also setup a proxmox backup server and I'm doing backups of all my VMs in 30 minute intervals.
It *feels* a bit like vsphere. The interface is *miles* better than OpenStack's interface.
Personally, I'm a fan of XCP-NGs interface over proxmox's. I manage two clusters (one at home, one in a lab) and one thing that's stuck out to me is how clunky its authentication is. Manually syncing LDAP gets kind of old. --cs
"Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
On 1/25/24 17:44, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote:
Proxmox is it's own linux distro with a customized kernel that focuses on kvm. So installing it on a box takes it over. I've also setup a proxmox backup server and I'm doing backups of all my VMs in 30 minute intervals.
It *feels* a bit like vsphere. The interface is *miles* better than OpenStack's interface.
Personally, I'm a fan of XCP-NGs interface over proxmox's. I manage two clusters (one at home, one in a lab) and one thing that's stuck out to me is how clunky its authentication is. Manually syncing LDAP gets kind of old.
Could we convinse you to come down to Technocopia and do a presentation too? Dueling presentations! And ideally on the strenths and weaknesses of migrating from VMware. ESX is still the 900lb gorilla, but broadcom certainly seems to be sawing away at the branches underneath it.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 5:03 PM John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org> wrote:
"Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Coincidentally, I just recently started in a support role at Scale Computing, which provides virtualization leveraging qemu/kvm, with their own proprietary clustered filesystem.
Can we convince you to come and give us a talk? This looks really interesting!
I'm open to giving a talk, but I don't tend to be free on Thursday evenings.
Gregory, Looks like Scale Computing competes directly with VxRail (VMware w/ Dell/EMC product) and other HCI appliances - Nutanix AHV comes to mind as well... Although, first glance - looks like you don't need and or can't use the VMware hypervisor in any way. Can I assume Scale has a VM converter? v2v like tools? We can take this offline if this isn't the thread for questions like these. Thanks, Bill On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 06:23:55 PM EST, Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote: On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 5:03 PM John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org> wrote:
"Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Coincidentally, I just recently started in a support role at Scale Computing, which provides virtualization leveraging qemu/kvm, with their own proprietary clustered filesystem.
Can we convince you to come and give us a talk? This looks really interesting! I'm open to giving a talk, but I don't tend to be free on Thursday evenings. _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/N3ZGN4...
On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 7:10 AM William Grenache <grenache7994@verizon.net> wrote:
Gregory,
Looks like Scale Computing competes directly with VxRail (VMware w/ Dell/EMC product) and other HCI appliances - Nutanix AHV comes to mind as well... Although, first glance - looks like you don't need and or can't use the VMware hypervisor in any way. Can I assume Scale has a VM converter? v2v like tools?
That's correct. We use the Linux KVM hypervisor rather than working with something like VMWare. You can directly upload vmdk, qcow2, img, vhd and vhdx, and the system will automatically convert them before use if needed. We're natively using qcow2 internally. We also have a partnership with Carbonite for p2v migrations. -- Greg
Understood - Thank you for that. Bill On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 08:22:54 AM EST, Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 7:10 AM William Grenache <grenache7994@verizon.net> wrote: Gregory, Looks like Scale Computing competes directly with VxRail (VMware w/ Dell/EMC product) and other HCI appliances - Nutanix AHV comes to mind as well... Although, first glance - looks like you don't need and or can't use the VMware hypervisor in any way. Can I assume Scale has a VM converter? v2v like tools? That's correct. We use the Linux KVM hypervisor rather than working with something like VMWare. You can directly upload vmdk, qcow2, img, vhd and vhdx, and the system will automatically convert them before use if needed. We're natively using qcow2 internally. We also have a partnership with Carbonite for p2v migrations. -- Greg_______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FFIM47...
"Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 5:03 PM John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org> wrote:
"Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Coincidentally, I just recently started in a support role at Scale Computing, which provides virtualization leveraging qemu/kvm, with their own proprietary clustered filesystem.
Can we convince you to come and give us a talk? This looks really interesting!
I'm open to giving a talk, but I don't tend to be free on Thursday evenings.
I think we could schedule something if it works better for you. Is there a particular night that works better? Ideally I'd like to have you do it in person, if only so I can pick your brain better. And does Scale offer support for datastores (not sure the term) on NFS storage? Since that would make our transistion simpler.
On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 4:45 PM John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org> wrote:
"Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 5:03 PM John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org> wrote:
> "Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug@lists.wlug.org> writes:
Coincidentally, I just recently started in a support role at Scale Computing, which provides virtualization leveraging qemu/kvm, with their own proprietary clustered filesystem.
Can we convince you to come and give us a talk? This looks really interesting!
I'm open to giving a talk, but I don't tend to be free on Thursday evenings.
I think we could schedule something if it works better for you. Is there a particular night that works better? Ideally I'd like to have you do it in person, if only so I can pick your brain better.
I'm typically free on Mondays and Wednesday evenings, as well as every other Friday.
And does Scale offer support for datastores (not sure the term) on NFS storage? Since that would make our transistion simpler.
No. We have a proprietary file system that distributes blocks across the cluster. In addition to redundancy of blocks across servers and disks, it also offers tiered storage where the bulk of content will exist on SAS HDDs, with more commonly used blocks moving to SSD or NVME storage. There's some good information here in the linked PDF: https://www.scalecomputing.com/resources/sc-hypercore-scribe-theory-of-opera... The VMs themselves would still be free to make use of any networked filesystems. -- Greg
I am very interested in this topic and also have a conflict most Thursday evenings. I'm curious if folks are using cockpit for virtual management and their impressions. I looked at it a year or two ago and a deal killer in our environment was that it required a browser plug in for that use case on the client side. Mike
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