Doug, you are correct. My ULTRA 1 has a "funny" 25 pin sized connector with 13 pins. My mouse plugs into the keyboard. If I could get the terminal to work thru the kvm switch it would not be too bad to have a second keyboard and mouse on my desk. I can use VNCviewer if necessary, but I would prefer a "real" connection. Is there an adaptor between kvm and the "funny" terminal? What is it called? Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Mildram To: kjones@ziplink.net Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:40 PM Subject: WLUG..KVM...Sun keyb/mouse, old and new I get WLUG in digest (usually noon time). I see some answers on Sun KVM but I think they do NOT tell you that.... a) OLD sun monitors have that funny DB25-shaped connector, and matching/old-style video adapter cards/mboard. there ARE "adapter/converter" gizmos in both directions. I think I have one at home, I should junk the ultra10 (style "b" below) that I don't use. I forget which adapter I have (for old sun and newer VGA; or newer sun and oldSun Monitor). b) NEWER sun's e.g. ultraNN (i think Ultra1 is in the OLD camp above) have: "new" VGA style adapter, works with any VGA monitor BUT: "OLD" sun keyboard is still required unless you are going headless (on the Sun, at BOOTup powerup time, if keyboard is detected, Sun boots in normal/console mode; if NOT detected, it considers /dev/ttya as serial console ) The sun keyboard is totally incompatible as far as I know. compare the DIN pins to the DIN pins on a PS/2 keyboard(or mouse). and the sun MOUSE is attached to the sun KEYBOARD, which rather proves the imcompatible point. Though you could just do the "V" portion thru a KVM, maybe, with 2 keybds on your desk.