Meeting next week!
by Tim Keller
Hey Everybody!
We've got a meeting next week.
Date and TIme: March 12th 2026 @ 7PM
Physical Location: Techncopia, 44 Portland Ave. Worcester MA
Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA
Topic(s):
1. I'm going to show off the macropad I bought at Microcenter running QMK
and how you go about flashing it and some of it's really useful features.
2. Matrix stuff! Venus was gracious enough to get a matrix chat going, the
next decision is if we stick with signal, stick with matrix or do we roll
our own matrix? It's clear we need to "pick a lane" otherwise we've got 11
different chats everywhere..
3. California's AB 1043 Age verification bullshit being pushed by idiots..
I know people have feelings.. I definitely do.
4. Kernel 7.0 right over the horizon!!
5. I guess we can talk about Kent Overstreets AI girlfriend? Rather not..
I may or may not have a funky keyboard to show off as well..we'll see.
As always after the meeting we'll head out to dinner and keep talking!
I hope to see you there!
Tim.
2 days, 19 hours
Re: (ingesting) WLUG Meeting..Topic: DNS Redirection.
by Doug Mildram
doug in Maine> Thanks Steve Thibault ! Though I missed the meeting,
EXTREMELY COOL "slides" ...Colors!Fonts!Boxes all gorgeous.
w/opt reveal.js sidebars which nicely restate the main slides.
I'm only on the first few pages! p 3(of 24) alone =worthy of notes+study.
I "had to know" what is (+runs on what OS's) a pi-hole, well stated at
https://docs.pi-hole.net/main/prerequisites/#supported-operating-systems
Ah, peeking ahead, more fun/tricks needed.
As a former sysadmin (lazy?old?) ex network-engineer,
I'm finally motivated to stop feeding the bots !
Price ongoing: $5/mo for a VPS (for TailScale client).....
Guess I'll write that off (mental motivation) for likely ad-blocking
improvement.
Haven't bought a newish Pi ........Yet. Plus,....
headscale/TailScale seems just too cool to not have, somewhere like gf's house.
On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 6:25 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
> Hey Everybody,
>
> We've got a meeting!
> Date/Time: February 12th, 2026 @ 7PM
> Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA
> Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA
> Topic: DNS Interception.
> Speaker: Steve Thibault
>
> At every turn, companies are looking for ways to monetize data. It should be no surprise that DNS is one of these. Recently a fellow WLUG member Steve Thibault discovered that their upstream provider was intercepting his DNS queries and worked to fight against this.
> Steve is going to tell us his story of how he discovered what his provider was doing and what he did to foil their prying eyes.
>
> We have a signal group and the invite is here: https://signal.group/#CjQKIKlVuif-XKEyM_OE5NlItazdhKRrhXlI_l6aRlYx37T6EhCAK…
>
> It's turned into a very lively space where there's always a great conversation going on.
> At tonight's meeting we're going to talk about it and ways that we can integrate it with email or use some other technology so that people don't get left out of the conversation!
>
> As usual, after the meeting we'll head out for dinner and keep the conversation going!
>
> Thanks,
> Tim.
>
>
> --
> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".
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3 weeks
Re: Ripple?
by Jon "maddog" Hall
I can not speak for every fiber provider or implementation, but I had
Comcast Cable for a number of years, paying a premium for (at that time)
300 Mbps down and 60 Mbps up. The stability was fairly good, and I did
not really see any degradation during "heavy use" times of the day. Then
again, at that time my real-time use of the Internet was not extensive. I
usually did email and upload/download of modestly large files (few greater
than 4 Gbytes).
At the same time a friend had fiber in Nashua, NH (about seven miles away)
and was getting 1 Gbit sync up/down. I was jealous, but it was not on the
horizon with Comcast.
Then about five or so years ago Fidium came to down and offered fiber at 1
Gbit sync. I ordered that and when they were installing it in our
community I talked with the installer and he told me that it would be
capable of 10Gbit sync in the future.
The 1 Gbit offer seemed to be "fast enough" and it was great.
Later I found out they were offering 2 Gbit/sec to new customers at the
same price I was paying. I called up and mentioned this.
"Oh, you are right"...then TWEAK TWEAK and magically I had 2 Gbit/second
sync.
About that time my husband moved in and. He started working from home and
I found that he was using ONE TERABYTE of data every month. Curious as to
what was going on, I found that he was bit-blitting his workstation screen
from Boston up to his monitor in our office (long, detailed technical story
about why he felt this was necessary). I had not even noticed this load on
the fiber or on the routing system in my house (long, detailed technical
explanation why I put installed this in the first place).
In the three years that he has been using "bit-blit" he is almost
constantly in video contact with his co-workers (simultaneously with
bit-blit) and I have other video meetings, watch YouTube videos, etc and no
QoS issues.
There was once where we have lost service for an hour, but we received
messages through cellular telling us about it and then it was fixed.
Other than that it has been rock solid (at least at the times we would
notice it
There are things I might change (and maybe I can now, I just have not asked
lately).
o Better use of IPv6. I can use it, but they will not commit to whether I
have full control over the low order 64 bits or just the low order 48 bits.
o Better use of my own Routers - they have WiFi routers that use load
balancing in the WiFi for better QoS. Of course I can put my own routers
off theirs, but I currently have no use case where I strongly need that.
This may change soon.
o No static IP (at least not at my price point). Of course there are ways
around this.
All in all, Fiber is one of the best things that ever happened to me....it
is very close to being the #2 "best thing", but that slot is currently held
by Hugo, my husband. #1 is being born.
md
On Sun, Feb 15, 2026 at 11:56 AM Mike Peckar via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
wrote:
> Excited that a fiber option is coming to the neighborhood. Curious if
> anyone here who has switched has had any issues QOS-wise.
>
> Mike
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3 weeks, 1 day
Re: Replacing discord...
by John Stoffel
>>>>> "Joshua" == Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> writes:
We first need to setup a proper board, elect Tim as president, and
have a proper paperwork for a non-profit so we can track all this
properly. *grin*
All part of the talk tonight.
> I think it would be prudent to set up a Patreon, Liberapay account,
> or some other crowd-funding method (if that hasn't been done
> already) so that we can have a simple way to pool WLUG funding and
> do so in a sustainable way so we don't have to jump through hoops
> for recurring monthly donations.
> I would gladly support WLUG with donations if it guaranteed funding for more hosted services.
> Having a one-click monthly donation button would make that a lot easier.
> - Josh
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 2:11 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>> "steve---" == steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:
>> What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not
>> take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to
>> pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon?
> I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too.
>> On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>> John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not in the
> signal chat
>> is a valid concern.
>> Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet that hosted a
>> private *something* for us.
>> I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the "community" thing
> that
>> in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling into the ether instead
> of a
>> conversation.
>> We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
>> I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option?
>> Tim.
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> What about Mattermost?
>> "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there
> was
>> always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some
> unfinished
>> business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that
> these
>> obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to
>> happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that
> time
>> waits for no one."
>> - Souza
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's only a
>> problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space and rooms are
>> private, that attack vector closes.
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes:
>> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being
>> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work.
>> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it
>> wouldn't be a problem?
>> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these
>> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal
>> chats are shared widely as possible.
>> And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>> - instant messages (signal)
>> - email threads.
>> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages
>> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need
>> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read
>> them.
>> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it
>> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both
>> good and bad. LOL!
>> John
>>> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
>>> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
>>> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
>>> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
>>> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
>>> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
>>> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
>>> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
>>> offerings.
>>> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
>>>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
>>>> users behind.
>>>>
>>>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
>>>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
>>>>
>>>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
>>>> new.
>>>>
>>>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
>>>>
>>>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
>>>> well. In order of requirements I think:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - needs to be open
>>>> - WLUG needs to control the data
>>>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
>>>> - web based
>>>> - CLI / plain text based
>>>> - Apple/Android clients.
>>>> - searchable
>>>> - able to organize a bit into channels.
>>>> - announcements
>>>> - regular chat
>>>> - questions or howtos
>>>>
>>>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
>>>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
>>>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
>>>> laptop.
>>>>
>>>> So what do people think?
>>>>
>>>> John
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3 weeks, 5 days
Re: Replacing discord...
by Joshua Stone
I think it would be prudent to set up a Patreon, Liberapay account, or some
other crowd-funding method (if that hasn't been done already) so that we
can have a simple way to pool WLUG funding and do so in a sustainable way
so we don't have to jump through hoops for recurring monthly donations.
I would gladly support WLUG with donations if it guaranteed funding for
more hosted services. Having a one-click monthly donation button would make
that a lot easier.
- Josh
On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 2:11 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
wrote:
> >>>>> "steve---" == steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:
>
> > What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not
> > take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to
> > pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon?
>
> I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too.
>
>
> > On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
> > John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because
> they're not in the signal chat
> > is a valid concern.
>
> > Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO
> droplet that hosted a
> > private *something* for us.
>
> > I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug
> the "community" thing that
> > in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling
> into the ether instead of a
> > conversation.
>
> > We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
>
> > I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an
> option?
>
> > Tim.
>
> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <
> traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What about Mattermost?
>
> > "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin -
> real life. But there was
> > always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through
> first, some unfinished
> > business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it
> dawned on me that these
> > obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see
> there is no way to
> > happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you
> have and remember that time
> > waits for no one."
> > - Souza
>
> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
> > I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other
> spaces. It's only a
> > problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your
> space and rooms are
> > private, that attack vector closes.
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes:
>
> > Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is
> CSAM being
> > pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to
> make work.
> > But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server
> it
> > wouldn't be a problem?
>
> > Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on
> these
> > tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats
> and signal
> > chats are shared widely as possible.
>
> > And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>
> > - instant messages (signal)
> > - email threads.
>
> > Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found
> 130+ messages
> > in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I
> really need
> > to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once
> I read
> > them.
>
> > But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be
> watching it
> > constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih
> is both
> > good and bad. LOL!
>
> > John
>
> >> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
> >> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
> >> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
> >> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
> >> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
> >> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
> >> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
> >> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
> >> offerings.
>
> >> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
> > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
> >>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
> >>> users behind.
> >>>
> >>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
> >>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
> >>>
> >>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
> >>> new.
> >>>
> >>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
> >>>
> >>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
> >>> well. In order of requirements I think:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - needs to be open
> >>> - WLUG needs to control the data
> >>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
> >>> - web based
> >>> - CLI / plain text based
> >>> - Apple/Android clients.
> >>> - searchable
> >>> - able to organize a bit into channels.
> >>> - announcements
> >>> - regular chat
> >>> - questions or howtos
> >>>
> >>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
> >>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
> >>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
> >>> laptop.
> >>>
> >>> So what do people think?
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>> _______________________________________________
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3 weeks, 5 days
Re: Replacing discord...
by Joel
Curious.
What is WLUG talking about today hourly (to need comms via ICQ / stack / slack / discord / mattermost / whatever ) ?
Can I pour through a prior message log to decide my own level of interest in this extra comms?
Thank you,
Joel
Feb 12, 2026 2:11:34 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>:
>>>>>> …
>
>> What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not
>> take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to
>> pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon?
>
> I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too.
>
>
>> On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
>> John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not in the signal chat
>> is a valid concern.
>
>> Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet that hosted a
>> private *something* for us.
>
>> I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the "community" thing that
>> in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling into the ether instead of a
>> conversation.
>
>> We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
>
>> I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option?
>
>> Tim.
>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What about Mattermost?
>
>> "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was
>> always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished
>> business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these
>> obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to
>> happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time
>> waits for no one."
>> - Souza
>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
>> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's only a
>> problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space and rooms are
>> private, that attack vector closes.
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>> …
>
>> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being
>> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work.
>> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it
>> wouldn't be a problem?
>
>> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these
>> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal
>> chats are shared widely as possible.
>
>> And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>
>> - instant messages (signal)
>> - email threads.
>
>> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages
>> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need
>> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read
>> them.
>
>> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it
>> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both
>> good and bad. LOL!
>
>> John
>
>>> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
>>> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
>>> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
>>> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
>>> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
>>> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
>>> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
>>> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
>>> offerings.
>
>>> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
>>>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
>>>> users behind.
>>>>
>>>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
>>>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
>>>>
>>>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
>>>> new.
>>>>
>>>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
>>>>
>>>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
>>>> well. In order of requirements I think:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - needs to be open
>>>> - WLUG needs to control the data
>>>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
>>>> - web based
>>>> - CLI / plain text based
>>>> - Apple/Android clients.
>>>> - searchable
>>>> - able to organize a bit into channels.
>>>> - announcements
>>>> - regular chat
>>>> - questions or howtos
>>>>
>>>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
>>>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
>>>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
>>>> laptop.
>>>>
>>>> So what do people think?
>>>>
>>>> John
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3 weeks, 5 days
Re: Replacing discord...
by John Stoffel
>>>>> "steve---" == steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:
> What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not
> take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to
> pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon?
I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too.
> On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
> John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not in the signal chat
> is a valid concern.
> Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet that hosted a
> private *something* for us.
> I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the "community" thing that
> in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling into the ether instead of a
> conversation.
> We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
> I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option?
> Tim.
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> What about Mattermost?
> "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was
> always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished
> business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these
> obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to
> happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time
> waits for no one."
> - Souza
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's only a
> problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space and rooms are
> private, that attack vector closes.
> -------- Original Message --------
> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes:
> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being
> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work.
> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it
> wouldn't be a problem?
> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these
> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal
> chats are shared widely as possible.
> And one of the choices I failed to list is:
> - instant messages (signal)
> - email threads.
> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages
> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need
> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read
> them.
> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it
> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both
> good and bad. LOL!
> John
>> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
>> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
>> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
>> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
>> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
>> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
>> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
>> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
>> offerings.
>> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
>>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
>>> users behind.
>>>
>>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
>>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
>>>
>>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
>>> new.
>>>
>>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
>>>
>>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
>>> well. In order of requirements I think:
>>>
>>>
>>> - needs to be open
>>> - WLUG needs to control the data
>>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
>>> - web based
>>> - CLI / plain text based
>>> - Apple/Android clients.
>>> - searchable
>>> - able to organize a bit into channels.
>>> - announcements
>>> - regular chat
>>> - questions or howtos
>>>
>>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
>>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
>>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
>>> laptop.
>>>
>>> So what do people think?
>>>
>>> John
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3 weeks, 5 days
REMINDER: WLUG Meeting Tonight! Topic: DNS Redirection.
by Tim Keller
Hey Everybody,
We've got a meeting!
Date/Time: February 12th, 2026 @ 7PM
Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA
Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA
Topic: DNS Interception.
Speaker: Steve Thibault
At every turn, companies are looking for ways to monetize data. It should
be no surprise that DNS is one of these. Recently a fellow WLUG member
Steve Thibault discovered that their upstream provider was intercepting his
DNS queries and worked to fight against this.
Steve is going to tell us his story of how he discovered what his provider
was doing and what he did to foil their prying eyes.
We have a signal group and the invite is here:
https://signal.group/#CjQKIKlVuif-XKEyM_OE5NlItazdhKRrhXlI_l6aRlYx37T6EhCAK…
It's turned into a very lively space where there's always a great
conversation going on.
At tonight's meeting we're going to talk about it and ways that we can
integrate it with email or use some other technology so that people don't
get left out of the conversation!
As usual, after the meeting we'll head out for dinner and keep the
conversation going!
Thanks,
Tim.
--
I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their
constituents as "consumers".
3 weeks, 5 days
Re: Replacing discord...
by Tim Keller
My plan is to start my own stable coin..
I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their
constituents as "consumers".
On Wed, Feb 11, 2026, 7:34 AM <steve(a)patternsoft.net> wrote:
> What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not take
> that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to pitch in? A
> maybe a WLUG patreon?
>
> On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're
> not in the signal chat is a valid concern.
>
> Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet
> that hosted a private *something* for us.
>
> I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the
> "community" thing that in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels
> like yelling into the ether instead of a conversation.
>
> We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
>
> I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option?
>
> Tim.
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What about Mattermost?
>>
>>
>> *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real
>> life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten
>> through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to
>> be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This
>> perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is
>> the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for
>> no one."*- Souza
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces.
>>> It's only a problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your
>>> space and rooms are private, that attack vector closes.
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being
>>> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work.
>>> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it
>>> wouldn't be a problem?
>>>
>>> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these
>>> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal
>>> chats are shared widely as possible.
>>>
>>> And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>>>
>>> - instant messages (signal)
>>> - email threads.
>>>
>>> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages
>>> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need
>>> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read
>>> them.
>>>
>>> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it
>>> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both
>>> good and bad. LOL!
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
>>> > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
>>> > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
>>> > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
>>> > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
>>> > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
>>> > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
>>> > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
>>> > offerings.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
>>> >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
>>> >> users behind.
>>> >>
>>> >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
>>> >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
>>> >>
>>> >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
>>> >> new.
>>> >>
>>> >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
>>> >>
>>> >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
>>> >> well. In order of requirements I think:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> - needs to be open
>>> >> - WLUG needs to control the data
>>> >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
>>> >> - web based
>>> >> - CLI / plain text based
>>> >> - Apple/Android clients.
>>> >> - searchable
>>> >> - able to organize a bit into channels.
>>> >> - announcements
>>> >> - regular chat
>>> >> - questions or howtos
>>> >>
>>> >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
>>> >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
>>> >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
>>> >> laptop.
>>> >>
>>> >> So what do people think?
>>> >>
>>> >> John
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3 weeks, 6 days
Re: Replacing discord...
by Tim Keller
John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not
in the signal chat is a valid concern.
Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet
that hosted a private *something* for us.
I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the
"community" thing that in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels
like yelling into the ether instead of a conversation.
We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option?
Tim.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> What about Mattermost?
>
>
> *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real
> life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten
> through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to
> be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This
> perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is
> the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for
> no one."*- Souza
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's
>> only a problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space
>> and rooms are private, that attack vector closes.
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes:
>>
>> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being
>> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work.
>> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it
>> wouldn't be a problem?
>>
>> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these
>> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal
>> chats are shared widely as possible.
>>
>> And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>>
>> - instant messages (signal)
>> - email threads.
>>
>> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages
>> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need
>> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read
>> them.
>>
>> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it
>> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both
>> good and bad. LOL!
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
>> > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
>> > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
>> > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
>> > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
>> > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
>> > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
>> > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
>> > offerings.
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
>> >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
>> >> users behind.
>> >>
>> >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
>> >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
>> >>
>> >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
>> >> new.
>> >>
>> >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
>> >>
>> >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
>> >> well. In order of requirements I think:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - needs to be open
>> >> - WLUG needs to control the data
>> >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
>> >> - web based
>> >> - CLI / plain text based
>> >> - Apple/Android clients.
>> >> - searchable
>> >> - able to organize a bit into channels.
>> >> - announcements
>> >> - regular chat
>> >> - questions or howtos
>> >>
>> >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
>> >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
>> >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
>> >> laptop.
>> >>
>> >> So what do people think?
>> >>
>> >> John
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