Re: Replacing discord...
by Joshua Stone
I think it would be prudent to set up a Patreon, Liberapay account, or some
other crowd-funding method (if that hasn't been done already) so that we
can have a simple way to pool WLUG funding and do so in a sustainable way
so we don't have to jump through hoops for recurring monthly donations.
I would gladly support WLUG with donations if it guaranteed funding for
more hosted services. Having a one-click monthly donation button would make
that a lot easier.
- Josh
On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 2:11 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
wrote:
> >>>>> "steve---" == steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:
>
> > What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not
> > take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to
> > pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon?
>
> I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too.
>
>
> > On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
> > John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because
> they're not in the signal chat
> > is a valid concern.
>
> > Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO
> droplet that hosted a
> > private *something* for us.
>
> > I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug
> the "community" thing that
> > in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling
> into the ether instead of a
> > conversation.
>
> > We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
>
> > I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an
> option?
>
> > Tim.
>
> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <
> traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What about Mattermost?
>
> > "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin -
> real life. But there was
> > always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through
> first, some unfinished
> > business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it
> dawned on me that these
> > obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see
> there is no way to
> > happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you
> have and remember that time
> > waits for no one."
> > - Souza
>
> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
> > I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other
> spaces. It's only a
> > problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your
> space and rooms are
> > private, that attack vector closes.
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes:
>
> > Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is
> CSAM being
> > pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to
> make work.
> > But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server
> it
> > wouldn't be a problem?
>
> > Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on
> these
> > tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats
> and signal
> > chats are shared widely as possible.
>
> > And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>
> > - instant messages (signal)
> > - email threads.
>
> > Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found
> 130+ messages
> > in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I
> really need
> > to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once
> I read
> > them.
>
> > But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be
> watching it
> > constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih
> is both
> > good and bad. LOL!
>
> > John
>
> >> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
> >> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
> >> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
> >> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
> >> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
> >> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
> >> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
> >> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
> >> offerings.
>
> >> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
> > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
> >>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
> >>> users behind.
> >>>
> >>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
> >>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
> >>>
> >>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
> >>> new.
> >>>
> >>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
> >>>
> >>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
> >>> well. In order of requirements I think:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - needs to be open
> >>> - WLUG needs to control the data
> >>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
> >>> - web based
> >>> - CLI / plain text based
> >>> - Apple/Android clients.
> >>> - searchable
> >>> - able to organize a bit into channels.
> >>> - announcements
> >>> - regular chat
> >>> - questions or howtos
> >>>
> >>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
> >>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
> >>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
> >>> laptop.
> >>>
> >>> So what do people think?
> >>>
> >>> John
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Feb. 12, 2026
Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2
by Caobin zhu
Hi, eric,
i am interested in your #2 item, the SCSI pc.
i am living in worcester, how can i go forwared to get it if it is still available.
Thanks.
caobin
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:38:33 -0500
> From: Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning
> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
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> Will do.
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Henrique <nican(a)wpi.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hello Eric,
> >
> > I have interest in the OpenGL book. Could you bring it to the next Wlug
> > meeting?
> >
> > Henrique Polido.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs.
> >> It's all free, please take it if you can use it.
> >>
> >> Computers:
> >>
> >> Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly
> >>
> >>
> >> 1. 2 CRTs (working)
> >> 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive
> >> 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan
> >> / power supply
> >> 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors
> >> 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB
> >> 6. More to come
> >>
> >> Books:
> >> Interactive Computer Graphics
> >>
> >> http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…
> >>
> >> Fluency with Information Technology
> >>
> >> http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/…
> >>
> >> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using
> >> OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…>
> >>
> >> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using
> >> OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books
> >> C Pocket Reference
> >>
> >> http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1…
> >> --
> >> Eric Martin
> >>
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> From: Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning
> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
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> I have a 300W 20PIN if you want, It's currently in a case and you're welcome
> to both
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > I have a computer that needs a power supply, could you email me directly if
> > you have a spare?
> >
> > Sent from my android wireless device.
> >
> > On Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs.
> > It's all free, please take it if you can use it.
> >
> > Computers:
> >
> > Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly
> >
> >
> > 1. 2 CRTs (working)
> > 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive
> > 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan /
> > power supply
> > 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors
> > 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB
> > 6. More to come
> >
> > Books:
> > Interactive Computer Graphics
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…
> >
> > Fluency with Information Technology
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/…
> >
> > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL
> > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…>
> >
> > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL
> > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books
> > C Pocket Reference
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1…
> > --
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> From: Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning
> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
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> Sorry, that went already
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > I could use the 1U too for my distcc compile farm, but only if no one else
> > wants it.
> >
> > On Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs.
> > It's all free, please take it if you can use it.
> >
> > Computers:
> >
> > Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly
> >
> >
> > 1. 2 CRTs (working)
> > 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive
> > 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan /
> > power supply
> > 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors
> > 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB
> > 6. More to come
> >
> > Books:
> > Interactive Computer Graphics
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…
> >
> > Fluency with Information Technology
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/…
> >
> > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL
> > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…>
> >
> > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL
> > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books
> > C Pocket Reference
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1…
> > --
> > Eric Martin
> >
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Feb. 2, 2011
Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
by albutler33＠netscape.net
Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
problem
Andy,
b) Any recruiter who abuses the list by failing to ask permission prior
to posting, or by an excessive volume of emails, will be asked to stop
(including removal from the membership list if necessary).
How would you define excessive?
Al Butler
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9. Re: JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA (Keith Wright)
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To:
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Subject:
Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA
Date:
Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:12:46 -0400
So, here is a question: What are the guidelines for posting a relevant job
opening to this group? My reason for asking is because the company that I
work for is about to open a few reqs, and I want to get the bounty :)
Seriously (although I do want the bounty), the positions will be appropriate
for the group.
Thanks,
Tal
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From:
Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net>
To:
Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
Subject:
[Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
Date:
Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:00:53 -0400
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HI gang,
Tal Cohen wrote:
> So, here is a question: What are the guidelines for
> posting a relevant job
> opening to this group?
This is a very good question!
In general, I personally frown upon random recruiters posting job
openings on the WLUG mailing list, especially when they don't have the
courtesy of asking permission. Having the list as writable only by list
members helps to keep this type of email traffic minimized.
However, there have been a couple of recruiters in the past who asked
permission prior to posting, which I did grant (John Spencer is one such
individual). I specifically asked John to preface his subject with
"JOB" or "JOBS" so people could filter accordingly, and he has done what
was asked. Also, John's posts have been very Linux relevant IMHO. In
the interest of fair disclosure, I've worked with John in the past and
my employer has hired people represented by him.
I have also had recruiters send the job posting to me, asking me to
forward it to the list. If relevant, I forward the post, but sometimes
I have deleted them if I thought they were not relevant.
Having said all of that, I recognize that this mailing list belongs to
all of us and not just to me. At any time, we as a group can choose to
change our policy. Admittedly, even if every recruiter who posted asked
permission and used the "JOB" subject, the volume of email could become
more than we'd like. To date, this has not happened.
I have not yet heard anybody complain about a group member posting a
relevant job opening for their employer.
In today's particular case, I suspect that if the recruiter were
informed of our policy, he would be happy to comply. Although it is our
email list, how we react on the list is a reflection of the group as a
whole.
In summary, I propose the following for your consideration:
a) Recruiters who wish to post to the WLUG mailing list need to request
permission to do so, and if granted, preface the subject with "JOB" so
people can filter accordingly. As acting president, I presume that the
permission would be granted by me.
b) Any recruiter who abuses the list by failing to ask permission prior
to posting, or by an excessive volume of emails, will be asked to stop
(including removal from the membership list if necessary).
c) Group members may post relevant job openings as long as they preface
the subject with "JOB".
I invite constructive discussion on the proposal, and counter proposals
if appropriate.
Thanks,
Andy
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Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org)
Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393)
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From:
Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net>
To:
Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
Subject:
Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
Date:
Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:23:39 -0400
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Andy Stewart wrote:
> In summary, I propose the following for your consideration:
>
> a) Recruiters who wish to post to the WLUG mailing list need to request
> permission to do so, and if granted, preface the subject with "JOB" so
> people can filter accordingly. As acting president, I presume that the
> permission would be granted by me.
I just thought of something. When a person who is not a list member
attempts to post a message to the group, the email is sent to the list
moderator for approval. This is currently Frank Sweetser (and I think
Chuck Anderson, also).
In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a
group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to
implement our group policy.
Later,
Andy
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Andy Stewart, Founder
Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org)
Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393)
Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ
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Attached Message
From:
Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU>
To:
wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
Subject:
Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
Date:
Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:25:44 -0400
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:23:39PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote:
> In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a
> group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to
> implement our group policy.
The problem in this case was that the user subscribed to the list, and
then immediately sent the JOB posting. So he was already a "group
member".
Attached Message
From:
Mark Richards <mark.richards(a)massmicro.com>
To:
Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
Subject:
Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA
Date:
Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:13:04 -0400
Tal Cohen wrote:?
> So, here is a question: What are the guidelines for posting a relevant job?
> opening to this group?
My guess is that policy need not be set if participants would exercise
basic courtesy: ask first.?
?
You did that. Good show.?
?
/m?
?
?
Attached Message
From:
Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net>
To:
wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
Subject:
Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
Date:
Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:42:22 -0400
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Chuck Anderson wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:23:39PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote:
>> In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a
>> group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to
>> implement our group policy.
>
> The problem in this case was that the user subscribed to the list, and
> then immediately sent the JOB posting. So he was already a "group
> member".
Yes, and I have a couple of thoughts on that.
1) I believe this is the first time a recruiter has done this, but I
could be wrong.
2) We as a group have every right to determine what is acceptable email
on the list. In my opinion, if any group member abuses the list, they
should be first asked to stop and then have their privileges revoked if
they continue to abuse the list.
The post did mention Linux, it did have "JOB" in the subject, however,
the recruiter did not ask permission to use our list. Is that
sufficient cause for immediate revocation from the list? Perhaps so,
perhaps not - you tell me. I don't recall anybody asking this
particular recruiter to stop doing what he did. We should revoke with
care. If done harshly, it could damage the group reputation.
3) I opened the topic for discussion because I want to be sure that
folks who are normally less vocal on the group mailing list have a
chance to air their opinions.
4) The end result of these discussions should be posted on the website
as a group policy so guests to our mailing list will understand what we
expect of them.
Thanks,
Andy
- --
Andy Stewart, Founder
Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org)
Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393)
Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ
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Attached Message
From:
Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com>
To:
Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
Subject:
Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
Date:
Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:43:58 -0700 (PDT)
Does a job posting really warrant this much discussion?
I know I haven't participated much lately, but the emails discussing the spam job posting have been more spam-like than the original possible spam posting.
spamspamspamspamspamspamspameggsspam.
Anyway, I also posted a job posting earlier today.? Hope I did not break the rules.
Mike
----- Original Message ----
From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU>
To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:25:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:23:39PM -0400, Andy Stewart
wrote:
> In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a
> group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to
> implement our group policy.
The problem in this case was that the user subscribed to the list, and
then immediately sent the JOB posting.??So he was already a "group
member".
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Attached Message
From:
Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net>
To:
Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
Subject:
Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
Date:
Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:51:44 -0400
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Mike Leo wrote:
> Does a job posting really warrant this much discussion?
Hi Mike,
Normally, no, but this subject has come up before, and I'd like to
settle it.
>
> I know I haven't participated much lately, but the emails discussing the
> spam job posting have been more spam-like than the original possible
> spam posting.
>
> spamspamspamspamspamspamspameggsspam.
>
> Anyway, I also posted a job posting earlier today. Hope I did not break
> the rules.
I had no problem with your post.
Later,
Andy
- --
Andy Stewart, Founder
Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org)
Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393)
Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ
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Attached Message
From:
Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us>
To:
wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
Subject:
Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA
Date:
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:12:08 -0400
> From: "Tal Cohen" <wlug(a)cohen123.com>
>
> What are the guidelines for posting
> a relevant job opening to this group?
Don't be a lamer.
I am tempted to leave it there. True Lamers
will never know who they are, but here are
some guides to How To Be A Lamer.
1. Never come to a meeting.
2. Subscribe to the list for the sole
purpose of posting your advertisement.
3. Fail the Turing Test by using cliches
to indicate that your message was
auto-generated by a computer or marketing
manager.
4. Do not write any introductory remarks
that might show your message is intended
for the WLUG list, rather than every list
in known space.
There are, of course, many other possible
lame actions.
Note that I have no actual power over any
list messages other than my own, and so my
opinions are worthless except in so far as
others agree with them.
-- Keith
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