Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 1
by Arturo Sedo
There is also another option.
If you have another computer you can burn a copy of knopix. Once you
create the cd, you insert it into the CDROM drive, boot from CDROM to a
nice KDE GUI and all partitions are automatically mounted. Click on the
partition that has the needed info and you are good to go. It may sound
complicated but Knopix has a really fine User Interface.
(If you don't have a CDROM you can do the same thing with Tomsrbtb from
a floppy)
Then when you want to create a boot disk you can open a command window,
mount the root partition and then do "chroot /mnt/rootPartition". From
there you can run lilo or mkbootdisk.
Good luck.
Arturo
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> 1. RedHat 7.1 boot floppy (Norm Legare)
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> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:56:51 -0800 (PST)
> From: Norm Legare <normlegare(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy
> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
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> Hi All,
>
> My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By
> inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just
> stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk
> failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the
> Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy
> be made while preserving the existing Linux installation?
>
> Thanks,
> Norm
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> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:18:53 -0500 (EST)
> From: James Baldassari <jdb(a)WPI.EDU>
> Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy
> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402011615590.17100(a)ccc3.WPI.EDU>
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> Hi Norm. You can probably find a Red Hat boot disk image somewhere (just
> google it), and there are Windows utilities for writing images to
> floppies. I think one of them is called rwfloppy, which I can send to you
> if you can't find it. You will probably have to edit the boot disk once
> it's created so that it points to your linux drive. When you get your
> system back up and running I would recommend installing LILO so that you
> don't run into this problem again. The newer versions of Windows also
> have built-in support for booting multiple OSes.
> -James
>
> On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Norm Legare wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By
> > inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just
> > stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk
> > failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the
> > Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy
> > be made while preserving the existing Linux installation?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Norm
> >
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> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 06:12:24 -0500
> From: "Moti Abramovich" <motia(a)comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy
> To: "'Worcester Linux Users Group'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
> Message-ID: <000701c3e97d$6fbfa400$0200a8c0@laptop1>
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> Norm.
> It depends what version of windows you have, but your best bet would be to
> set up your windows for "dual boot" so when you boot your system, a menu
> will come up and ask you which operating system you want to boot to -
> Windows or Linux.
> Moti
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On
> Behalf Of Norm Legare
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:57 PM
> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
> Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy
>
> Hi All,
>
> My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By
> inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just
> stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk
> failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the
> Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy
> be made while preserving the existing Linux installation?
>
> Thanks,
> Norm
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> Date: 02 Feb 2004 09:28:46 -0500
> From: Adam Keck <ghostis(a)mac.com>
> Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy
> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
> Cc: Adam Keck <ghostis(a)mac.com>
> Message-ID: <1075732127.4990.17.camel@alfred>
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> > inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just
> > stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk
> > failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the
> > Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy
> > be made while preserving the existing Linux installation?
>
> Norm,
> This is no big deal if you know what hardware you have. You will need
> a second linux machine to solve this so perhaps someone will agree to
> drop by the next meeting with a laptop.
>
> 1. Get a machine with mtools, superformat and syslinux installed and a
> kernel source tree.
> 2. Recompile a non-modular kernel with support for your hardware and
> filesystems and nothing else.
> 3. Insert a floppy and then run: superformat /dev/hd0
> 4. When that's done run: syslinux /dev/fd0
> 5. Mcopy the new kernel from /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot to the
> floppy: mcopy /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage a:\kernel.img
> 6. Open a text file called syslinux.cfg in your favorite editor.
> 7. Put the following in syslinux.cfg (with the appropriate value for
> your root parition filled in):
>
> DEFAULT LINUX
> LABEL LINUX
> KERNEL kernel.img
> APPEND root=/dev/{your root partition device here}
>
> 8. Save that file then mcopy it to the floppy: mcopy syslinux.cfg a:
> 9. Reboot your machine from the floppy.
>
> There are other ways to do this that may be more elegant. For example
> you may be able to so this on your machine by booting the rescue kernel
> with the first RedHat CD and then chrooting to your environment. This
> how I do it, though ;-).
>
>
> -Adam
>
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22 years, 2 months
Re: Replacing discord...
by Tim Keller
My plan is to start my own stable coin..
I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their
constituents as "consumers".
On Wed, Feb 11, 2026, 7:34 AM <steve(a)patternsoft.net> wrote:
> What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not take
> that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to pitch in? A
> maybe a WLUG patreon?
>
> On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're
> not in the signal chat is a valid concern.
>
> Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet
> that hosted a private *something* for us.
>
> I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the
> "community" thing that in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels
> like yelling into the ether instead of a conversation.
>
> We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
>
> I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option?
>
> Tim.
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What about Mattermost?
>>
>>
>> *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real
>> life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten
>> through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to
>> be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This
>> perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is
>> the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for
>> no one."*- Souza
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces.
>>> It's only a problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your
>>> space and rooms are private, that attack vector closes.
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being
>>> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work.
>>> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it
>>> wouldn't be a problem?
>>>
>>> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these
>>> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal
>>> chats are shared widely as possible.
>>>
>>> And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>>>
>>> - instant messages (signal)
>>> - email threads.
>>>
>>> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages
>>> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need
>>> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read
>>> them.
>>>
>>> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it
>>> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both
>>> good and bad. LOL!
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
>>> > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
>>> > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
>>> > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
>>> > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
>>> > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
>>> > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
>>> > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
>>> > offerings.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
>>> >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
>>> >> users behind.
>>> >>
>>> >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
>>> >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
>>> >>
>>> >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
>>> >> new.
>>> >>
>>> >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
>>> >>
>>> >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
>>> >> well. In order of requirements I think:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> - needs to be open
>>> >> - WLUG needs to control the data
>>> >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
>>> >> - web based
>>> >> - CLI / plain text based
>>> >> - Apple/Android clients.
>>> >> - searchable
>>> >> - able to organize a bit into channels.
>>> >> - announcements
>>> >> - regular chat
>>> >> - questions or howtos
>>> >>
>>> >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
>>> >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
>>> >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
>>> >> laptop.
>>> >>
>>> >> So what do people think?
>>> >>
>>> >> John
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2 months, 2 weeks
Re: Replacing discord...
by Joel
Curious.
What is WLUG talking about today hourly (to need comms via ICQ / stack / slack / discord / mattermost / whatever ) ?
Can I pour through a prior message log to decide my own level of interest in this extra comms?
Thank you,
Joel
Feb 12, 2026 2:11:34 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>:
>>>>>> …
>
>> What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not
>> take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to
>> pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon?
>
> I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too.
>
>
>> On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
>> John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not in the signal chat
>> is a valid concern.
>
>> Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet that hosted a
>> private *something* for us.
>
>> I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the "community" thing that
>> in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling into the ether instead of a
>> conversation.
>
>> We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
>
>> I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option?
>
>> Tim.
>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What about Mattermost?
>
>> "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was
>> always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished
>> business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these
>> obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to
>> happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time
>> waits for no one."
>> - Souza
>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
>> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's only a
>> problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space and rooms are
>> private, that attack vector closes.
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>> …
>
>> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being
>> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work.
>> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it
>> wouldn't be a problem?
>
>> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these
>> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal
>> chats are shared widely as possible.
>
>> And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>
>> - instant messages (signal)
>> - email threads.
>
>> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages
>> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need
>> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read
>> them.
>
>> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it
>> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both
>> good and bad. LOL!
>
>> John
>
>>> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
>>> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
>>> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
>>> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
>>> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
>>> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
>>> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
>>> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
>>> offerings.
>
>>> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
>>>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
>>>> users behind.
>>>>
>>>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
>>>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
>>>>
>>>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
>>>> new.
>>>>
>>>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
>>>>
>>>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
>>>> well. In order of requirements I think:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - needs to be open
>>>> - WLUG needs to control the data
>>>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
>>>> - web based
>>>> - CLI / plain text based
>>>> - Apple/Android clients.
>>>> - searchable
>>>> - able to organize a bit into channels.
>>>> - announcements
>>>> - regular chat
>>>> - questions or howtos
>>>>
>>>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
>>>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
>>>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
>>>> laptop.
>>>>
>>>> So what do people think?
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org
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2 months, 2 weeks
Re: [Wlug] Charter Telephone reviews, boylston?
by Jared Greenwald
A word to the wise, make sure that they actually can port your number
before you switch. I moved into a new place in Uxbridge a couple
years ago. So new that they didn't even have the cable company's
lines - so I just got a package through Verizon that included DirecTV
and DSL.
Then about 6 months later they finally attached the street hookups for
our development so we could get it. They sent out reps to our houses
to sell us on the services inlcuding phone. The rep swore up and down
that we would be able to keep our number that we'd gotten from
Verizon, so we got all signed up. When the installation day came, I
was then told that I could not get my number ported and there was
nothing they could do about it. I fought tooth and nail and filed
complaints with every level of manager I could to figure out why.
Come to find out that my town is serviced by two different high-level
telephone routers and that one router is setup to process 278 exchange
and the other is setup to handle 266 exchange. There is some
arbitrary line in my area that if you fall on one side of the line you
get 278 and the other gets 266 - totally bogus. I tried to reason
with them that the phone switch in my house was just a network device
and that, once on the network, they could route whatever number to it
that they wanted, but the customer reps I talked to that could
actually understand what I was talking about just weren't having it.
I finally just accepted it and figured I'd have to just suck it up,
but then I found out that the service didn't work with the phone
system I had at the time (multi-cordless with base that cost like
$150+). They tried to tell me to just get a new phone and I was like
- so you're going to pay for that same feature set on a new set of
phones for me?
At this point I had already canceled all of my other services
including the DSL. Another word to the wise on that front. Don't
ever cancel your DSL unless you are 100% certain you don't want it.
It takes a minimum of 10 days to get your new DSL connection setup,
yet when you cancel your service it goes dead nearly immediately. So,
if you accidentally change your mind, you have to wait 10 days to get
it back on.
In the end, I was able to get my original Verizon number back and get
my DSL and DirecTV turned on again, but it was the most painful
experience that I have gone through in quite a while. I actually
still have Charter, but just for the local cable access package
($13/mo) so that I can watch the selectman's meetings and stuff like
that.
Just figured I'd share my experience.
-Jared
On 9/15/07, Stephen Daukas <scd(a)daukas.com> wrote:
> We upgraded to the digital/phone/Internet package and installed only one
> digital box wit the rest of the house on analog. While I can only speak
> definitively about Shrewsbury Cable, I can't see how this wouldn't work
> anywhere...
>
> Depending on the equipment the cable provider uses, one or more splitters
> with the appropriate notch filters on each output, may be necessary to
> separate out the unwanted packets and phone signals for each device. In
> Shrewsbury's case, the gear they now use doesn't require the filters, so I
> split the incoming cable using the town's original 1:3 splitter, connected
> one output to an amplified splitter (Radio Shack) to provide analog to the
> rest of the house (via additional splitters - everything is configured as
> what's called a "home-run" to the basement), and connected each of the other
> two outputs to the digital box and phone/cable modem respectively. The tech
> from Shrewsbury had no problem with this configuration because if you want
> independent digital signals, you need two or more digital tuners. If you
> want to see what this looks like, I'll send a link to pics on picassaweb.
>
> Since I have finished the basement as something of a Pub, I have a little TV
> mounted in a corner above the bar. I am about to split the signal from the
> digital box's output, in the same way as described above for the whole
> house, so that both the larger TV and the "bar TV" can be driven by the one
> digital tuner - the digital box output to the TV is analog.
>
> There is one very important issue to remember when playing "cable guy":
> Avoid putting an amplified splitter, or even a cheap splitter, in-line
> between your digital (or phone) gear and the outside world! These digital
> devices are bi-directional and the amplifier is essentially a capacitor that
> will block all but 60Hz(+/-) and will typically not allow return signals to
> pass. Sometimes, a cheap splitter's internal configuration is such that the
> return signal is degraded so much that it too is essentially blocked.
> (Anyone who has had trouble using BSRs to control lights or other appliances
> working on some outlets in the home, but not others, is fighting a similar
> issue with the circuit panel being the culprit). You can buy cable amps
> that will accommodate digital devices, but a good splitter was less
> expensive the last time I checked.
>
> And one last tidbit... As of July (?) of this year, cable providers are now
> required to allow you to purchase the digital box if you don't want to pay a
> monthly rental fee. I'm not sure if you can be restricted to the one being
> provided by the cable provider, or if they are required to support any
> digital tuner the customer may have... This could be a savings if you have
> several TVs because the typical monthly fee for a digital box is ~$8/month,
> or ~ 100/yr.
>
> Later,
> Steve
>
>
> On 9/15/07, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote:
> > John Stoffel wrote:
> > > Before we had a splitter in the analog cable, with one feed going to
> > > the TV directly, the other going to the TiVo. This way we could watch
> > > live TV (commercials and all!) when the TiVo was recording something
> > > we wanted, but didn't want to watch at the moment.
> > >
> > > Now that we have digital cable, I don't think I'm going to be able to
> > > do this anymore. Dammit. This is an oversight/gotcha that I didn't
> > > realize.
> > >
> > > I'll see how much extra it will cost to get another digital set top
> > > box, which I'll dedicate to my TiVo's use I think. :] I
> > > dunno... maybe there's a way to do this. Anyone know for sure if the
> > > Scientific Atlanta set top box has analog output of *all* channels, so
> > > I can just tune up and down using the TV tunner? Even if I don't get
> > > over channel 99 on there, I'd be ok with that.
> > >
> > > I suspect (strongly) that it doesn't work that way and that I'm
> > > screwed, sorta. Not terrible actually, but annoying.
> >
> > Actually, it does. If you throw a splitter in, you'll find that all of
> the
> > analog signals are still there just as before.
> >
> > One thing you'll need to be aware of, though, is that depending on where
> you
> > put them, adding in too many splitters will now degrade the signal quality
> for
> > your phone as well as just your television picture, so make sure you give
> the
> > phone box priority.
> >
> > --
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> that
> > WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL
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18 years, 7 months
Re: Replacing discord...
by John Stoffel
>>>>> "Joshua" == Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> writes:
We first need to setup a proper board, elect Tim as president, and
have a proper paperwork for a non-profit so we can track all this
properly. *grin*
All part of the talk tonight.
> I think it would be prudent to set up a Patreon, Liberapay account,
> or some other crowd-funding method (if that hasn't been done
> already) so that we can have a simple way to pool WLUG funding and
> do so in a sustainable way so we don't have to jump through hoops
> for recurring monthly donations.
> I would gladly support WLUG with donations if it guaranteed funding for more hosted services.
> Having a one-click monthly donation button would make that a lot easier.
> - Josh
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 2:11 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>> "steve---" == steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:
>> What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not
>> take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to
>> pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon?
> I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too.
>> On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>> John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not in the
> signal chat
>> is a valid concern.
>> Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet that hosted a
>> private *something* for us.
>> I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the "community" thing
> that
>> in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling into the ether instead
> of a
>> conversation.
>> We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
>> I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option?
>> Tim.
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> What about Mattermost?
>> "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there
> was
>> always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some
> unfinished
>> business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that
> these
>> obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to
>> happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that
> time
>> waits for no one."
>> - Souza
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's only a
>> problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space and rooms are
>> private, that attack vector closes.
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes:
>> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being
>> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work.
>> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it
>> wouldn't be a problem?
>> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these
>> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal
>> chats are shared widely as possible.
>> And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>> - instant messages (signal)
>> - email threads.
>> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages
>> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need
>> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read
>> them.
>> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it
>> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both
>> good and bad. LOL!
>> John
>>> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
>>> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
>>> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
>>> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
>>> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
>>> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
>>> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
>>> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
>>> offerings.
>>> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
>>>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
>>>> users behind.
>>>>
>>>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
>>>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
>>>>
>>>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
>>>> new.
>>>>
>>>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
>>>>
>>>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
>>>> well. In order of requirements I think:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - needs to be open
>>>> - WLUG needs to control the data
>>>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
>>>> - web based
>>>> - CLI / plain text based
>>>> - Apple/Android clients.
>>>> - searchable
>>>> - able to organize a bit into channels.
>>>> - announcements
>>>> - regular chat
>>>> - questions or howtos
>>>>
>>>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
>>>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
>>>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
>>>> laptop.
>>>>
>>>> So what do people think?
>>>>
>>>> John
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2 months, 2 weeks
Re: Replacing discord...
by Joshua Stone
I think it would be prudent to set up a Patreon, Liberapay account, or some
other crowd-funding method (if that hasn't been done already) so that we
can have a simple way to pool WLUG funding and do so in a sustainable way
so we don't have to jump through hoops for recurring monthly donations.
I would gladly support WLUG with donations if it guaranteed funding for
more hosted services. Having a one-click monthly donation button would make
that a lot easier.
- Josh
On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 2:11 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
wrote:
> >>>>> "steve---" == steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:
>
> > What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not
> > take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to
> > pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon?
>
> I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too.
>
>
> > On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
> > John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because
> they're not in the signal chat
> > is a valid concern.
>
> > Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO
> droplet that hosted a
> > private *something* for us.
>
> > I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug
> the "community" thing that
> > in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling
> into the ether instead of a
> > conversation.
>
> > We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
>
> > I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an
> option?
>
> > Tim.
>
> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <
> traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What about Mattermost?
>
> > "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin -
> real life. But there was
> > always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through
> first, some unfinished
> > business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it
> dawned on me that these
> > obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see
> there is no way to
> > happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you
> have and remember that time
> > waits for no one."
> > - Souza
>
> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
> > I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other
> spaces. It's only a
> > problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your
> space and rooms are
> > private, that attack vector closes.
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes:
>
> > Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is
> CSAM being
> > pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to
> make work.
> > But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server
> it
> > wouldn't be a problem?
>
> > Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on
> these
> > tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats
> and signal
> > chats are shared widely as possible.
>
> > And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>
> > - instant messages (signal)
> > - email threads.
>
> > Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found
> 130+ messages
> > in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I
> really need
> > to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once
> I read
> > them.
>
> > But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be
> watching it
> > constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih
> is both
> > good and bad. LOL!
>
> > John
>
> >> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
> >> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
> >> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
> >> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
> >> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
> >> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
> >> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
> >> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
> >> offerings.
>
> >> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
> > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
> >>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
> >>> users behind.
> >>>
> >>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
> >>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
> >>>
> >>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
> >>> new.
> >>>
> >>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
> >>>
> >>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
> >>> well. In order of requirements I think:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - needs to be open
> >>> - WLUG needs to control the data
> >>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
> >>> - web based
> >>> - CLI / plain text based
> >>> - Apple/Android clients.
> >>> - searchable
> >>> - able to organize a bit into channels.
> >>> - announcements
> >>> - regular chat
> >>> - questions or howtos
> >>>
> >>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
> >>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
> >>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
> >>> laptop.
> >>>
> >>> So what do people think?
> >>>
> >>> John
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2 months, 2 weeks
Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2
by Caobin zhu
Hi, eric,
i am interested in your #2 item, the SCSI pc.
i am living in worcester, how can i go forwared to get it if it is still available.
Thanks.
caobin
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> From: Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>
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> Will do.
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> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Henrique <nican(a)wpi.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hello Eric,
> >
> > I have interest in the OpenGL book. Could you bring it to the next Wlug
> > meeting?
> >
> > Henrique Polido.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs.
> >> It's all free, please take it if you can use it.
> >>
> >> Computers:
> >>
> >> Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly
> >>
> >>
> >> 1. 2 CRTs (working)
> >> 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive
> >> 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan
> >> / power supply
> >> 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors
> >> 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB
> >> 6. More to come
> >>
> >> Books:
> >> Interactive Computer Graphics
> >>
> >> http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…
> >>
> >> Fluency with Information Technology
> >>
> >> http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/…
> >>
> >> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using
> >> OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…>
> >>
> >> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using
> >> OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books
> >> C Pocket Reference
> >>
> >> http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1…
> >> --
> >> Eric Martin
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> I have a 300W 20PIN if you want, It's currently in a case and you're welcome
> to both
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> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote:
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> > I have a computer that needs a power supply, could you email me directly if
> > you have a spare?
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> > Sent from my android wireless device.
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> > On Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs.
> > It's all free, please take it if you can use it.
> >
> > Computers:
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> > Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly
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> > 1. 2 CRTs (working)
> > 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive
> > 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan /
> > power supply
> > 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors
> > 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB
> > 6. More to come
> >
> > Books:
> > Interactive Computer Graphics
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…
> >
> > Fluency with Information Technology
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/…
> >
> > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL
> > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…>
> >
> > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL
> > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books
> > C Pocket Reference
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> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning
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> Sorry, that went already
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> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote:
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> > I could use the 1U too for my distcc compile farm, but only if no one else
> > wants it.
> >
> > On Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs.
> > It's all free, please take it if you can use it.
> >
> > Computers:
> >
> > Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly
> >
> >
> > 1. 2 CRTs (working)
> > 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive
> > 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan /
> > power supply
> > 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors
> > 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB
> > 6. More to come
> >
> > Books:
> > Interactive Computer Graphics
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…
> >
> > Fluency with Information Technology
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/…
> >
> > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL
> > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…>
> >
> > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL
> > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books
> > C Pocket Reference
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1…
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Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
by albutler33＠netscape.net
Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
problem
Andy,
b) Any recruiter who abuses the list by failing to ask permission prior
to posting, or by an excessive volume of emails, will be asked to stop
(including removal from the membership list if necessary).
How would you define excessive?
Al Butler
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1. Re: JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA (Tal Cohen)
2. Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Andy Stewart)
3. Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Andy Stewart)
4. Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Chuck Anderson)
5. Re: JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA (Mark Richards)
6. Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Andy Stewart)
7. Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Mike Leo)
8. Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Andy Stewart)
9. Re: JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA (Keith Wright)
Attached Message
From:
Tal Cohen <wlug(a)cohen123.com>
To:
'Jamie Guinan' <guinan(a)bluebutton.com>; 'Worcester Linux Users Group' <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
Subject:
Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA
Date:
Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:12:46 -0400
So, here is a question: What are the guidelines for posting a relevant job
opening to this group? My reason for asking is because the company that I
work for is about to open a few reqs, and I want to get the bounty :)
Seriously (although I do want the bounty), the positions will be appropriate
for the group.
Thanks,
Tal
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Jamie Guinan
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:59 PM
To: Worcester Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA
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borrow your PC for a few minutes..."
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Attached Message
From:
Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net>
To:
Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
Subject:
[Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
Date:
Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:00:53 -0400
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HI gang,
Tal Cohen wrote:
> So, here is a question: What are the guidelines for
> posting a relevant job
> opening to this group?
This is a very good question!
In general, I personally frown upon random recruiters posting job
openings on the WLUG mailing list, especially when they don't have the
courtesy of asking permission. Having the list as writable only by list
members helps to keep this type of email traffic minimized.
However, there have been a couple of recruiters in the past who asked
permission prior to posting, which I did grant (John Spencer is one such
individual). I specifically asked John to preface his subject with
"JOB" or "JOBS" so people could filter accordingly, and he has done what
was asked. Also, John's posts have been very Linux relevant IMHO. In
the interest of fair disclosure, I've worked with John in the past and
my employer has hired people represented by him.
I have also had recruiters send the job posting to me, asking me to
forward it to the list. If relevant, I forward the post, but sometimes
I have deleted them if I thought they were not relevant.
Having said all of that, I recognize that this mailing list belongs to
all of us and not just to me. At any time, we as a group can choose to
change our policy. Admittedly, even if every recruiter who posted asked
permission and used the "JOB" subject, the volume of email could become
more than we'd like. To date, this has not happened.
I have not yet heard anybody complain about a group member posting a
relevant job opening for their employer.
In today's particular case, I suspect that if the recruiter were
informed of our policy, he would be happy to comply. Although it is our
email list, how we react on the list is a reflection of the group as a
whole.
In summary, I propose the following for your consideration:
a) Recruiters who wish to post to the WLUG mailing list need to request
permission to do so, and if granted, preface the subject with "JOB" so
people can filter accordingly. As acting president, I presume that the
permission would be granted by me.
b) Any recruiter who abuses the list by failing to ask permission prior
to posting, or by an excessive volume of emails, will be asked to stop
(including removal from the membership list if necessary).
c) Group members may post relevant job openings as long as they preface
the subject with "JOB".
I invite constructive discussion on the proposal, and counter proposals
if appropriate.
Thanks,
Andy
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Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org)
Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393)
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Attached Message
From:
Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net>
To:
Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
Subject:
Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
Date:
Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:23:39 -0400
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Andy Stewart wrote:
> In summary, I propose the following for your consideration:
>
> a) Recruiters who wish to post to the WLUG mailing list need to request
> permission to do so, and if granted, preface the subject with "JOB" so
> people can filter accordingly. As acting president, I presume that the
> permission would be granted by me.
I just thought of something. When a person who is not a list member
attempts to post a message to the group, the email is sent to the list
moderator for approval. This is currently Frank Sweetser (and I think
Chuck Anderson, also).
In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a
group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to
implement our group policy.
Later,
Andy
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Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393)
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Attached Message
From:
Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU>
To:
wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
Subject:
Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
Date:
Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:25:44 -0400
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:23:39PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote:
> In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a
> group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to
> implement our group policy.
The problem in this case was that the user subscribed to the list, and
then immediately sent the JOB posting. So he was already a "group
member".
Attached Message
From:
Mark Richards <mark.richards(a)massmicro.com>
To:
Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
Subject:
Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA
Date:
Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:13:04 -0400
Tal Cohen wrote:?
> So, here is a question: What are the guidelines for posting a relevant job?
> opening to this group?
My guess is that policy need not be set if participants would exercise
basic courtesy: ask first.?
?
You did that. Good show.?
?
/m?
?
?
Attached Message
From:
Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net>
To:
wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
Subject:
Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
Date:
Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:42:22 -0400
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Chuck Anderson wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:23:39PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote:
>> In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a
>> group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to
>> implement our group policy.
>
> The problem in this case was that the user subscribed to the list, and
> then immediately sent the JOB posting. So he was already a "group
> member".
Yes, and I have a couple of thoughts on that.
1) I believe this is the first time a recruiter has done this, but I
could be wrong.
2) We as a group have every right to determine what is acceptable email
on the list. In my opinion, if any group member abuses the list, they
should be first asked to stop and then have their privileges revoked if
they continue to abuse the list.
The post did mention Linux, it did have "JOB" in the subject, however,
the recruiter did not ask permission to use our list. Is that
sufficient cause for immediate revocation from the list? Perhaps so,
perhaps not - you tell me. I don't recall anybody asking this
particular recruiter to stop doing what he did. We should revoke with
care. If done harshly, it could damage the group reputation.
3) I opened the topic for discussion because I want to be sure that
folks who are normally less vocal on the group mailing list have a
chance to air their opinions.
4) The end result of these discussions should be posted on the website
as a group policy so guests to our mailing list will understand what we
expect of them.
Thanks,
Andy
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Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org)
Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393)
Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ
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Attached Message
From:
Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com>
To:
Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
Subject:
Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
Date:
Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:43:58 -0700 (PDT)
Does a job posting really warrant this much discussion?
I know I haven't participated much lately, but the emails discussing the spam job posting have been more spam-like than the original possible spam posting.
spamspamspamspamspamspamspameggsspam.
Anyway, I also posted a job posting earlier today.? Hope I did not break the rules.
Mike
----- Original Message ----
From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU>
To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:25:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:23:39PM -0400, Andy Stewart
wrote:
> In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a
> group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to
> implement our group policy.
The problem in this case was that the user subscribed to the list, and
then immediately sent the JOB posting.??So he was already a "group
member".
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Attached Message
From:
Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net>
To:
Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
Subject:
Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters
Date:
Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:51:44 -0400
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Mike Leo wrote:
> Does a job posting really warrant this much discussion?
Hi Mike,
Normally, no, but this subject has come up before, and I'd like to
settle it.
>
> I know I haven't participated much lately, but the emails discussing the
> spam job posting have been more spam-like than the original possible
> spam posting.
>
> spamspamspamspamspamspamspameggsspam.
>
> Anyway, I also posted a job posting earlier today. Hope I did not break
> the rules.
I had no problem with your post.
Later,
Andy
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Andy Stewart, Founder
Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org)
Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393)
Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ
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Attached Message
From:
Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us>
To:
wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
Subject:
Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA
Date:
Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:12:08 -0400
> From: "Tal Cohen" <wlug(a)cohen123.com>
>
> What are the guidelines for posting
> a relevant job opening to this group?
Don't be a lamer.
I am tempted to leave it there. True Lamers
will never know who they are, but here are
some guides to How To Be A Lamer.
1. Never come to a meeting.
2. Subscribe to the list for the sole
purpose of posting your advertisement.
3. Fail the Turing Test by using cliches
to indicate that your message was
auto-generated by a computer or marketing
manager.
4. Do not write any introductory remarks
that might show your message is intended
for the WLUG list, rather than every list
in known space.
There are, of course, many other possible
lame actions.
Note that I have no actual power over any
list messages other than my own, and so my
opinions are worthless except in so far as
others agree with them.
-- Keith
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