Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG
by joshua.gage.stone＠gmail.com
Tim,
Thank you very much for creating a meetup.com group for us! The UX for
finding future meetups and adding meetup dates to a calender is quite
good. Finding WLUG should also be fairly easy now when searching for
"linux" within a 50 mile radius of Boston:
https://www.meetup.com/find/?allMeetups=false&keywords=linux&radius=50&user…
I've noticed that some search strings will show LUGs with overlapping
interests but not WLUG. I think adding more words like "FOSS",
"Android", "Libre", "Open Source", "Ubuntu", "Fedora", "OpenSUSE",
"Arch Linux", "Unix", etc, to the related topics and/or What We're
About section should improve this.
I've tried setting up a community over Slack but I think the steps need
to join was what made it too intrusive for new people -- take joining
the Rust language Slack server for example:
https://rust-slack.herokuapp.com/
- Send an invite link to your email- Register with a name and password-
Be greeted with prompts about whether to send notifications- Open the
#general channel
And this has to be repeated for joining every community that has their
own Slack server, or at least this has been my experience so far. I
think Slack has cemented itself as more of a means for teams to
collaborate on a project, not so much for casual users who want to jump
right into a new chat.
Matrix only needs to register a username and password (email is
optional) on the server you're on, and once that's done you can join
any number of channels on that server. This is much closer to the UX of
IRC, and it's still superior in some ways because there's no fiddling
with choosing a specific authentication method like SASL and/or
authenticating with nickserv
I think in general Matrix has more mindshare amongst Linux users as a
modern alternative to IRC, which I think is worth considering when
comparing frequency of posts on Reddit:
https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/search?q=matrix&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevanc…
-Josh
On Sat, 2020-01-11 at 22:59 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote:
> This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG:
> https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six
> months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like.
> The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial
> to the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a
> slack channel as well maybe.
>
> Tim.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
> > We also have an IRC channel:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.wlug.org/participate.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Internet Relay Chat
> >
> >
> >
> > Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel.
> >
> >
> >
> > Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net
> >
> > Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link:
> > irc://irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma.
> >
> > See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your
> > web browser
> >
> >
> >
> > but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hey all,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again
> > to
> >
> > > Tim for giving me a ride home!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve
> > general
> >
> > > activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts.
> > Hosting a
> >
> > > meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and
> >
> > > getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great
> > too.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a
> > text chat
> >
> > > format for users who want to communicate more easily over the
> > internet,
> >
> > > especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord
> >
> > > servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room
> > sizes
> >
> > > generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even
> > before
> >
> > > Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates,
> > etc.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve
> >
> > > participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here
> > because it
> >
> > > has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web (
> >
> > > https://matrix.org/clients/
> >
> > > - Persistent chat history
> >
> > > - Link previews
> >
> > > - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality (
> >
> > > https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/
> >
> > > - User moderation
> >
> > > - Server federation
> >
> > > - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely
> > FOSS
> >
> > > - File sharing
> >
> > > - Voice/video calls
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat
> > room
> >
> > > would look like:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Or you can join the room I made:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > #wlug:matrix.org
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Any thoughts?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -Josh
> >
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Jan. 12, 2020
Re: Replacing discord...
by John Stoffel
>>>>> "steve---" == steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:
> What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not
> take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to
> pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon?
I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too.
> On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
> John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not in the signal chat
> is a valid concern.
> Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet that hosted a
> private *something* for us.
> I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the "community" thing that
> in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling into the ether instead of a
> conversation.
> We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
> I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option?
> Tim.
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> What about Mattermost?
> "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was
> always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished
> business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these
> obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to
> happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time
> waits for no one."
> - Souza
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's only a
> problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space and rooms are
> private, that attack vector closes.
> -------- Original Message --------
> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes:
> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being
> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work.
> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it
> wouldn't be a problem?
> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these
> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal
> chats are shared widely as possible.
> And one of the choices I failed to list is:
> - instant messages (signal)
> - email threads.
> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages
> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need
> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read
> them.
> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it
> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both
> good and bad. LOL!
> John
>> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
>> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
>> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
>> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
>> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
>> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
>> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
>> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
>> offerings.
>> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
>>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
>>> users behind.
>>>
>>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
>>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
>>>
>>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
>>> new.
>>>
>>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
>>>
>>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
>>> well. In order of requirements I think:
>>>
>>>
>>> - needs to be open
>>> - WLUG needs to control the data
>>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
>>> - web based
>>> - CLI / plain text based
>>> - Apple/Android clients.
>>> - searchable
>>> - able to organize a bit into channels.
>>> - announcements
>>> - regular chat
>>> - questions or howtos
>>>
>>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
>>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
>>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
>>> laptop.
>>>
>>> So what do people think?
>>>
>>> John
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Feb. 12, 2026
Re: Uptime!
by Mike Peckar
md,
Here's where I saw the reference to Fortran V wrt Voyager's CSS...
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/news/voyager-mission-anniversary-computers…
From http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/fort04.htm....
IBM never defined a language called FORTRAN V, or provided a compiler for
it, but some of its competitors used the term for their extended versions
of FORTRAN. Univac and Data General are two companies that sold compilers
for a language which they called FORTRAN V.
In general, FORTRAN V compilers included the CHARACTER data type as a
standard feature of the language, and they added the ENCODE and DECODE
statements as well. These statements allowed a character variable to be
used instead of an input-output device as the source for a formatted read,
or the target of a formatted write, and they looked like this:
CHARACTER*80 BUFFER
...
ENCODE(80,11,BUFFER),X,Y,Z
...
DECODE(80,10,BUFFER),P,Q,R
...
STOP
10 FORMAT (3F12.5)
11 FORMAT (3F12.5)
END
Mike
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 6:20 PM Jon "maddog" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> I had not heard of Fortran 5 (or Fortran V) and a half-hearted search of
> the Internet did not find anything.
>
> Do you have any pointers to it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> md
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 18:09 Mike Peckar <mpeckar(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> According to the Guiness Book of World records, The computer system that
>> has been in continual operation for the longest period is the Computer
>> Command System (CCS) onboard NASA's *Voyager 2* spacecraft. This system
>> has been in continuous operation since the spacecraft's launch on 20 August
>> 1977. Voyager 1's CCS uptime trails it by a couple of weeks and both are
>> still going.
>>
>> Each Voyager has two CCSs, two Flight Data System (FDS) computers and two
>> Attitude and Articulation Control System (AACS) computers, but the FDS &
>> AACS do not operate continuously. The CCS's have two 18-bit word, interrupt
>> type processors with 4096 words each of non-volatile plated wire memory
>> amounting to 69.63 kilobytes. They execute about 81,000 instructions per
>> second and transmit data back to Earth at 160 bits per second. They were
>> originally programmed in Fortran 5.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:32 PM Jon "maddog" Hall <
>> jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> Believe it or not, both VMS and Digital Unix systems were the same way.
>>> They would go months and years without rebooting.
>>>
>>> The US Navy had two hospital ships, the "Mercy" and the "Hope". One
>>> stationed on the East Coast and one in San Diego. The one on the East
>>> Coast used WNT for the servers and the one in San Diego used GNU/Linux.
>>> The ship using WNT had to have twice as many servers as the one in San
>>> Diego because the Navy rules said that a WNT server HAD to be rebooted
>>> every 30 days, whereas there was no such requirement for GNU/Linux. Since
>>> a Naval deployment could last longer than 30 days, and since they needed
>>> the server services to be up constantly that whole time, they needed twice
>>> as many WNT servers.
>>>
>>> md
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mike Peckar via WLUG <
>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fun Story, Maddog. Around 20 yrs ago I was consulting for Bloomberg in
>>>> Skillman, NJ, a big Solaris shop. The HP app I was working with bellied up
>>>> with memory leaks and I suggested they reboot that server. I was told flat
>>>> out they don't reboot Solaris servers period. They cleaned up the mess and
>>>> isolated where in the HP code that the pointer was lost, leaving me the
>>>> not-so-fun task of filing the bug report with HP.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 7:39 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG <
>>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>
>>>>> What was the reason for shutting it down?
>>>>>
>>>>> This reminds me of a story from years ago where a young friend
>>>>> contacted me before a trip to the University of New Hampshire for a Linux
>>>>> LUG meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> He asked me if I would go to a particular dorm and knock on the door
>>>>> of what had been his door room. I was to ask if I could unplug the box
>>>>> that was in the corner of the closet in the room. The system had been
>>>>> running for five years in his former dorm room and he had forgotten the
>>>>> login password. He did not want the machine back, just wanted it
>>>>> unplugged.
>>>>>
>>>>> A young woman answered the door, heard my explanation and let me
>>>>> unplug the machine. "We were afraid to unplug it" she said.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your machine beat his machine on uptime.
>>>>>
>>>>> md
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 5:07 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <
>>>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime!
>>>>>> It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013!
>>>>>> Tim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their
>>>>>> constituents as "consumers".
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April 21, 2022
Re: [Wlug] Enterprise Linux Forum - Special Offer for Linux User Groups
by Karl Hiramoto
I'll be there for the free stuff, but can't afford the spendy stuff.
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Andy Stewart wrote:
>
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
> On Dec. 3 and 4, 2002, the Enterprise Linux Forum will be held at the Boston
> Marriot (Copley Place) in Boston, MA. We have been offered a $200 discount
> for WLUG members who attend the event. If you want more information, read
> below that which was sent to me. If you wish to go and can't read the
> attachments, send me e-mail.
>
> Later,
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
>
> Subject: Enterprise Linux Forum - Special Offer for Linux User Groups
> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:27:15 -0500
> From: Juliet Sigmann <jsigmann(a)jupitermedia.com>
> To: andystewart(a)attbi.com
>
> Andy,
>
> I hope you do not think it too forward of me to send you this e-mail, but I
> came across Worcester Linux Users Group while researching Linux associations
> and user group sites. My company, Jupitermedia, has developed a conference
> that I believe will be of interest to you and other members of Worcester
> Linux Users Group . The name of the event is Enterprise Linux Forum
> Conference & Expo. For complete details on this event, visit
> http://www.enterpriselinuxforum.com
>
> I would like to offer Worcester Linux Users Group members a $200 discount to
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>
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>
> As the conference brochure (attached in PDF format) relates, this event is
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> ****************************************************************************
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> Keynote 1: The Inevitable Linux Momentum - Matthew J. Szulik, Chairman, CEO
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> Keynote 2: Linux in Prime Time: Open Source Meets Enterprise Requirements -
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> Keynote 4: Unbreakable Linux - Rene Bonvanie, VP of Oracle9i Marketing,
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> Session 1: The Changing Face of Linux - David Niemi, Director of Systems
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> Session 2: Linux High Availability Cluster Selection - Tim Burke, Advanced
> Server Technical Project Leader, Red Hat
> Session 3: VPN Enterprise Implementation at Rochester Midland - Tony
> Karakashian, Network Manager, Rochester Midland
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> Session 4: Linux as Embedded Operating System - Rob Lembree, Technical
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> Session 5: How Sitel Worldwide Runs Call Centers Utilizing Linux - Scott
> Clark, Director of Systems Engineering, Sitel Corporation
> Session 6: PANEL: Server Consolidation Strategies Using Linux - Moderator:
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> Session 7: The Enterprise Linux Desktop: Addressing Corporate Needs - Nat
> Friedman, Co-founder and Vice President of Product
> Development, Ximian
> Session 8: Managing Linux on Datacenter Mainframe Systems - Alex deVries,
> Principal Solutions Architect, Linuxcare
> Session 9: The Future of Open Source Software in the Enterprise - Randy
> Terbush, Managing Partner, Tribal Knowledge Group
> Session 10: The Future of Datacenter Computing: How the Combination of
> Storage Area Networks and Processing Area Networks
> Solves Multiple Pain Points for Enterprise Datacenters
> Session 11: Apache: An Enterprise-Level Server - Daniel Lopez Ridruejo,
> Senior Developer, Instant802 Networks
> Session 12: The Virtual Environment - Where Does Linux Fit? - Dan
> Kusnetzky, Vice President, System Software Research, IDC
> Session 13: Enterprise-Ready Linux on the Mainframe: The Path to Success -
> Sam Greenblatt, SVP, Computer Associates
> Session 14: The Linux Factor: How Linux and Friends will Reshape
> Application by 2005 - Jasmine Noel, Founder and Principal,
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> Session 15: Rethinking the Linux Distribution: Linux as Platform, Not
> Product - Ian Murdock, Progeny
> Session 16: Linux Clusters and Open Source Software in the Life Sciences -
> Glenn Otero, Ph.D., Founder and Principal, Linux
> Prophet
> Session 17: The Linux Standard Base - Changing Everything You Think About
> Linux - Scott McNeil, Executive Director, Free
> Standards Group
> Session 18: Linux in Business: Answering Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt -
> Russell Pavlicek, Independent Consultant
> Session 19: PANEL: Integrating Linux Into the Enterprise - Moderator: Brian
> Proffitt, Managing Editor, LinuxToday.com
> Session 20: Open Source Development Lab Data Center Linux (DCL) for OLTP
> and DSS - Timothy Witham, Lab Director, Open
> Source Development Lab
> Session 21: Migrating C/C++ Applications from Unix to Linux - Shel Travis,
> Vice President of Research, MigraTEC
> Session 22: Web Services: The Killer Application for Open Source -
> Christian Gross, Software Engineering Consultant
> Session 23: Linux Database Clusters for High Performance Computing - Boris
> C. Bialek, Manager, DB2 Strategic Technologies,
> IBM Toronto Lab
> Session 24: High-Performance End-to-End Computing Using Linux - Chris
> Maresca, Senior Partner, Olliance Group, LLC
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Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 1
by Arturo Sedo
There is also another option.
If you have another computer you can burn a copy of knopix. Once you
create the cd, you insert it into the CDROM drive, boot from CDROM to a
nice KDE GUI and all partitions are automatically mounted. Click on the
partition that has the needed info and you are good to go. It may sound
complicated but Knopix has a really fine User Interface.
(If you don't have a CDROM you can do the same thing with Tomsrbtb from
a floppy)
Then when you want to create a boot disk you can open a command window,
mount the root partition and then do "chroot /mnt/rootPartition". From
there you can run lilo or mkbootdisk.
Good luck.
Arturo
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> 1. RedHat 7.1 boot floppy (Norm Legare)
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> 3. RE: RedHat 7.1 boot floppy (Moti Abramovich)
> 4. RE: RedHat 7.1 boot floppy (Adam Keck)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:56:51 -0800 (PST)
> From: Norm Legare <normlegare(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy
> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
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> Hi All,
>
> My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By
> inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just
> stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk
> failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the
> Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy
> be made while preserving the existing Linux installation?
>
> Thanks,
> Norm
>
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> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:18:53 -0500 (EST)
> From: James Baldassari <jdb(a)WPI.EDU>
> Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy
> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402011615590.17100(a)ccc3.WPI.EDU>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Hi Norm. You can probably find a Red Hat boot disk image somewhere (just
> google it), and there are Windows utilities for writing images to
> floppies. I think one of them is called rwfloppy, which I can send to you
> if you can't find it. You will probably have to edit the boot disk once
> it's created so that it points to your linux drive. When you get your
> system back up and running I would recommend installing LILO so that you
> don't run into this problem again. The newer versions of Windows also
> have built-in support for booting multiple OSes.
> -James
>
> On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Norm Legare wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By
> > inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just
> > stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk
> > failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the
> > Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy
> > be made while preserving the existing Linux installation?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Norm
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 06:12:24 -0500
> From: "Moti Abramovich" <motia(a)comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy
> To: "'Worcester Linux Users Group'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
> Message-ID: <000701c3e97d$6fbfa400$0200a8c0@laptop1>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> Norm.
> It depends what version of windows you have, but your best bet would be to
> set up your windows for "dual boot" so when you boot your system, a menu
> will come up and ask you which operating system you want to boot to -
> Windows or Linux.
> Moti
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On
> Behalf Of Norm Legare
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:57 PM
> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
> Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy
>
> Hi All,
>
> My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By
> inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just
> stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk
> failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the
> Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy
> be made while preserving the existing Linux installation?
>
> Thanks,
> Norm
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: 02 Feb 2004 09:28:46 -0500
> From: Adam Keck <ghostis(a)mac.com>
> Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy
> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
> Cc: Adam Keck <ghostis(a)mac.com>
> Message-ID: <1075732127.4990.17.camel@alfred>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> > inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just
> > stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk
> > failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the
> > Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy
> > be made while preserving the existing Linux installation?
>
> Norm,
> This is no big deal if you know what hardware you have. You will need
> a second linux machine to solve this so perhaps someone will agree to
> drop by the next meeting with a laptop.
>
> 1. Get a machine with mtools, superformat and syslinux installed and a
> kernel source tree.
> 2. Recompile a non-modular kernel with support for your hardware and
> filesystems and nothing else.
> 3. Insert a floppy and then run: superformat /dev/hd0
> 4. When that's done run: syslinux /dev/fd0
> 5. Mcopy the new kernel from /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot to the
> floppy: mcopy /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage a:\kernel.img
> 6. Open a text file called syslinux.cfg in your favorite editor.
> 7. Put the following in syslinux.cfg (with the appropriate value for
> your root parition filled in):
>
> DEFAULT LINUX
> LABEL LINUX
> KERNEL kernel.img
> APPEND root=/dev/{your root partition device here}
>
> 8. Save that file then mcopy it to the floppy: mcopy syslinux.cfg a:
> 9. Reboot your machine from the floppy.
>
> There are other ways to do this that may be more elegant. For example
> you may be able to so this on your machine by booting the rescue kernel
> with the first RedHat CD and then chrooting to your environment. This
> how I do it, though ;-).
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
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Feb. 3, 2004
Re: Replacing discord...
by Tim Keller
My plan is to start my own stable coin..
I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their
constituents as "consumers".
On Wed, Feb 11, 2026, 7:34 AM <steve(a)patternsoft.net> wrote:
> What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not take
> that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to pitch in? A
> maybe a WLUG patreon?
>
> On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're
> not in the signal chat is a valid concern.
>
> Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet
> that hosted a private *something* for us.
>
> I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the
> "community" thing that in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels
> like yelling into the ether instead of a conversation.
>
> We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
>
> I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option?
>
> Tim.
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What about Mattermost?
>>
>>
>> *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real
>> life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten
>> through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to
>> be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This
>> perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is
>> the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for
>> no one."*- Souza
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces.
>>> It's only a problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your
>>> space and rooms are private, that attack vector closes.
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being
>>> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work.
>>> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it
>>> wouldn't be a problem?
>>>
>>> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these
>>> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal
>>> chats are shared widely as possible.
>>>
>>> And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>>>
>>> - instant messages (signal)
>>> - email threads.
>>>
>>> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages
>>> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need
>>> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read
>>> them.
>>>
>>> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it
>>> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both
>>> good and bad. LOL!
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
>>> > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
>>> > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
>>> > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
>>> > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
>>> > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
>>> > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
>>> > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
>>> > offerings.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
>>> >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
>>> >> users behind.
>>> >>
>>> >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
>>> >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
>>> >>
>>> >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
>>> >> new.
>>> >>
>>> >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
>>> >>
>>> >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
>>> >> well. In order of requirements I think:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> - needs to be open
>>> >> - WLUG needs to control the data
>>> >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
>>> >> - web based
>>> >> - CLI / plain text based
>>> >> - Apple/Android clients.
>>> >> - searchable
>>> >> - able to organize a bit into channels.
>>> >> - announcements
>>> >> - regular chat
>>> >> - questions or howtos
>>> >>
>>> >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
>>> >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
>>> >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
>>> >> laptop.
>>> >>
>>> >> So what do people think?
>>> >>
>>> >> John
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Feb. 11, 2026
Re: Replacing discord...
by Joel
Curious.
What is WLUG talking about today hourly (to need comms via ICQ / stack / slack / discord / mattermost / whatever ) ?
Can I pour through a prior message log to decide my own level of interest in this extra comms?
Thank you,
Joel
Feb 12, 2026 2:11:34 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>:
>>>>>> …
>
>> What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not
>> take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to
>> pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon?
>
> I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too.
>
>
>> On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
>> John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not in the signal chat
>> is a valid concern.
>
>> Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet that hosted a
>> private *something* for us.
>
>> I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the "community" thing that
>> in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling into the ether instead of a
>> conversation.
>
>> We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
>
>> I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option?
>
>> Tim.
>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What about Mattermost?
>
>> "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was
>> always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished
>> business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these
>> obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to
>> happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time
>> waits for no one."
>> - Souza
>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
>> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's only a
>> problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space and rooms are
>> private, that attack vector closes.
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>> …
>
>> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being
>> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work.
>> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it
>> wouldn't be a problem?
>
>> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these
>> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal
>> chats are shared widely as possible.
>
>> And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>
>> - instant messages (signal)
>> - email threads.
>
>> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages
>> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need
>> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read
>> them.
>
>> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it
>> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both
>> good and bad. LOL!
>
>> John
>
>>> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
>>> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
>>> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
>>> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
>>> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
>>> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
>>> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
>>> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
>>> offerings.
>
>>> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
>>>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
>>>> users behind.
>>>>
>>>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
>>>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
>>>>
>>>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
>>>> new.
>>>>
>>>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
>>>>
>>>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
>>>> well. In order of requirements I think:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - needs to be open
>>>> - WLUG needs to control the data
>>>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
>>>> - web based
>>>> - CLI / plain text based
>>>> - Apple/Android clients.
>>>> - searchable
>>>> - able to organize a bit into channels.
>>>> - announcements
>>>> - regular chat
>>>> - questions or howtos
>>>>
>>>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
>>>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
>>>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
>>>> laptop.
>>>>
>>>> So what do people think?
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org
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Feb. 12, 2026
Re: [Wlug] Charter Telephone reviews, boylston?
by Jared Greenwald
A word to the wise, make sure that they actually can port your number
before you switch. I moved into a new place in Uxbridge a couple
years ago. So new that they didn't even have the cable company's
lines - so I just got a package through Verizon that included DirecTV
and DSL.
Then about 6 months later they finally attached the street hookups for
our development so we could get it. They sent out reps to our houses
to sell us on the services inlcuding phone. The rep swore up and down
that we would be able to keep our number that we'd gotten from
Verizon, so we got all signed up. When the installation day came, I
was then told that I could not get my number ported and there was
nothing they could do about it. I fought tooth and nail and filed
complaints with every level of manager I could to figure out why.
Come to find out that my town is serviced by two different high-level
telephone routers and that one router is setup to process 278 exchange
and the other is setup to handle 266 exchange. There is some
arbitrary line in my area that if you fall on one side of the line you
get 278 and the other gets 266 - totally bogus. I tried to reason
with them that the phone switch in my house was just a network device
and that, once on the network, they could route whatever number to it
that they wanted, but the customer reps I talked to that could
actually understand what I was talking about just weren't having it.
I finally just accepted it and figured I'd have to just suck it up,
but then I found out that the service didn't work with the phone
system I had at the time (multi-cordless with base that cost like
$150+). They tried to tell me to just get a new phone and I was like
- so you're going to pay for that same feature set on a new set of
phones for me?
At this point I had already canceled all of my other services
including the DSL. Another word to the wise on that front. Don't
ever cancel your DSL unless you are 100% certain you don't want it.
It takes a minimum of 10 days to get your new DSL connection setup,
yet when you cancel your service it goes dead nearly immediately. So,
if you accidentally change your mind, you have to wait 10 days to get
it back on.
In the end, I was able to get my original Verizon number back and get
my DSL and DirecTV turned on again, but it was the most painful
experience that I have gone through in quite a while. I actually
still have Charter, but just for the local cable access package
($13/mo) so that I can watch the selectman's meetings and stuff like
that.
Just figured I'd share my experience.
-Jared
On 9/15/07, Stephen Daukas <scd(a)daukas.com> wrote:
> We upgraded to the digital/phone/Internet package and installed only one
> digital box wit the rest of the house on analog. While I can only speak
> definitively about Shrewsbury Cable, I can't see how this wouldn't work
> anywhere...
>
> Depending on the equipment the cable provider uses, one or more splitters
> with the appropriate notch filters on each output, may be necessary to
> separate out the unwanted packets and phone signals for each device. In
> Shrewsbury's case, the gear they now use doesn't require the filters, so I
> split the incoming cable using the town's original 1:3 splitter, connected
> one output to an amplified splitter (Radio Shack) to provide analog to the
> rest of the house (via additional splitters - everything is configured as
> what's called a "home-run" to the basement), and connected each of the other
> two outputs to the digital box and phone/cable modem respectively. The tech
> from Shrewsbury had no problem with this configuration because if you want
> independent digital signals, you need two or more digital tuners. If you
> want to see what this looks like, I'll send a link to pics on picassaweb.
>
> Since I have finished the basement as something of a Pub, I have a little TV
> mounted in a corner above the bar. I am about to split the signal from the
> digital box's output, in the same way as described above for the whole
> house, so that both the larger TV and the "bar TV" can be driven by the one
> digital tuner - the digital box output to the TV is analog.
>
> There is one very important issue to remember when playing "cable guy":
> Avoid putting an amplified splitter, or even a cheap splitter, in-line
> between your digital (or phone) gear and the outside world! These digital
> devices are bi-directional and the amplifier is essentially a capacitor that
> will block all but 60Hz(+/-) and will typically not allow return signals to
> pass. Sometimes, a cheap splitter's internal configuration is such that the
> return signal is degraded so much that it too is essentially blocked.
> (Anyone who has had trouble using BSRs to control lights or other appliances
> working on some outlets in the home, but not others, is fighting a similar
> issue with the circuit panel being the culprit). You can buy cable amps
> that will accommodate digital devices, but a good splitter was less
> expensive the last time I checked.
>
> And one last tidbit... As of July (?) of this year, cable providers are now
> required to allow you to purchase the digital box if you don't want to pay a
> monthly rental fee. I'm not sure if you can be restricted to the one being
> provided by the cable provider, or if they are required to support any
> digital tuner the customer may have... This could be a savings if you have
> several TVs because the typical monthly fee for a digital box is ~$8/month,
> or ~ 100/yr.
>
> Later,
> Steve
>
>
> On 9/15/07, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote:
> > John Stoffel wrote:
> > > Before we had a splitter in the analog cable, with one feed going to
> > > the TV directly, the other going to the TiVo. This way we could watch
> > > live TV (commercials and all!) when the TiVo was recording something
> > > we wanted, but didn't want to watch at the moment.
> > >
> > > Now that we have digital cable, I don't think I'm going to be able to
> > > do this anymore. Dammit. This is an oversight/gotcha that I didn't
> > > realize.
> > >
> > > I'll see how much extra it will cost to get another digital set top
> > > box, which I'll dedicate to my TiVo's use I think. :] I
> > > dunno... maybe there's a way to do this. Anyone know for sure if the
> > > Scientific Atlanta set top box has analog output of *all* channels, so
> > > I can just tune up and down using the TV tunner? Even if I don't get
> > > over channel 99 on there, I'd be ok with that.
> > >
> > > I suspect (strongly) that it doesn't work that way and that I'm
> > > screwed, sorta. Not terrible actually, but annoying.
> >
> > Actually, it does. If you throw a splitter in, you'll find that all of
> the
> > analog signals are still there just as before.
> >
> > One thing you'll need to be aware of, though, is that depending on where
> you
> > put them, adding in too many splitters will now degrade the signal quality
> for
> > your phone as well as just your television picture, so make sure you give
> the
> > phone box priority.
> >
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> that
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Sept. 15, 2007
Re: Replacing discord...
by John Stoffel
>>>>> "Joshua" == Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> writes:
We first need to setup a proper board, elect Tim as president, and
have a proper paperwork for a non-profit so we can track all this
properly. *grin*
All part of the talk tonight.
> I think it would be prudent to set up a Patreon, Liberapay account,
> or some other crowd-funding method (if that hasn't been done
> already) so that we can have a simple way to pool WLUG funding and
> do so in a sustainable way so we don't have to jump through hoops
> for recurring monthly donations.
> I would gladly support WLUG with donations if it guaranteed funding for more hosted services.
> Having a one-click monthly donation button would make that a lot easier.
> - Josh
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 2:11 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>> "steve---" == steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:
>> What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not
>> take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to
>> pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon?
> I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too.
>> On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>> John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not in the
> signal chat
>> is a valid concern.
>> Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet that hosted a
>> private *something* for us.
>> I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the "community" thing
> that
>> in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling into the ether instead
> of a
>> conversation.
>> We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
>> I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option?
>> Tim.
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> What about Mattermost?
>> "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there
> was
>> always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some
> unfinished
>> business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that
> these
>> obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to
>> happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that
> time
>> waits for no one."
>> - Souza
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's only a
>> problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space and rooms are
>> private, that attack vector closes.
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes:
>> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being
>> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work.
>> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it
>> wouldn't be a problem?
>> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these
>> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal
>> chats are shared widely as possible.
>> And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>> - instant messages (signal)
>> - email threads.
>> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages
>> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need
>> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read
>> them.
>> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it
>> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both
>> good and bad. LOL!
>> John
>>> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
>>> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
>>> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
>>> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
>>> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
>>> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
>>> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
>>> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
>>> offerings.
>>> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
>>>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
>>>> users behind.
>>>>
>>>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
>>>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
>>>>
>>>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
>>>> new.
>>>>
>>>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
>>>>
>>>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
>>>> well. In order of requirements I think:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - needs to be open
>>>> - WLUG needs to control the data
>>>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
>>>> - web based
>>>> - CLI / plain text based
>>>> - Apple/Android clients.
>>>> - searchable
>>>> - able to organize a bit into channels.
>>>> - announcements
>>>> - regular chat
>>>> - questions or howtos
>>>>
>>>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
>>>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
>>>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
>>>> laptop.
>>>>
>>>> So what do people think?
>>>>
>>>> John
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Feb. 12, 2026
Re: Replacing discord...
by Joshua Stone
I think it would be prudent to set up a Patreon, Liberapay account, or some
other crowd-funding method (if that hasn't been done already) so that we
can have a simple way to pool WLUG funding and do so in a sustainable way
so we don't have to jump through hoops for recurring monthly donations.
I would gladly support WLUG with donations if it guaranteed funding for
more hosted services. Having a one-click monthly donation button would make
that a lot easier.
- Josh
On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 2:11 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
wrote:
> >>>>> "steve---" == steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:
>
> > What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not
> > take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to
> > pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon?
>
> I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too.
>
>
> > On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
> > John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because
> they're not in the signal chat
> > is a valid concern.
>
> > Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO
> droplet that hosted a
> > private *something* for us.
>
> > I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug
> the "community" thing that
> > in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling
> into the ether instead of a
> > conversation.
>
> > We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
>
> > I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an
> option?
>
> > Tim.
>
> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <
> traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What about Mattermost?
>
> > "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin -
> real life. But there was
> > always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through
> first, some unfinished
> > business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it
> dawned on me that these
> > obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see
> there is no way to
> > happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you
> have and remember that time
> > waits for no one."
> > - Souza
>
> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
> > I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other
> spaces. It's only a
> > problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your
> space and rooms are
> > private, that attack vector closes.
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes:
>
> > Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is
> CSAM being
> > pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to
> make work.
> > But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server
> it
> > wouldn't be a problem?
>
> > Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on
> these
> > tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats
> and signal
> > chats are shared widely as possible.
>
> > And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>
> > - instant messages (signal)
> > - email threads.
>
> > Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found
> 130+ messages
> > in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I
> really need
> > to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once
> I read
> > them.
>
> > But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be
> watching it
> > constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih
> is both
> > good and bad. LOL!
>
> > John
>
> >> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
> >> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
> >> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
> >> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
> >> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
> >> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
> >> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
> >> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
> >> offerings.
>
> >> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
> > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
> >>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
> >>> users behind.
> >>>
> >>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
> >>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
> >>>
> >>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
> >>> new.
> >>>
> >>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
> >>>
> >>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
> >>> well. In order of requirements I think:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - needs to be open
> >>> - WLUG needs to control the data
> >>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
> >>> - web based
> >>> - CLI / plain text based
> >>> - Apple/Android clients.
> >>> - searchable
> >>> - able to organize a bit into channels.
> >>> - announcements
> >>> - regular chat
> >>> - questions or howtos
> >>>
> >>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
> >>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
> >>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
> >>> laptop.
> >>>
> >>> So what do people think?
> >>>
> >>> John
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