RE: Wlug Digest, Vol 19, Issue 9 - 21" monitors
by albutler33＠netscape.net
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>Subject: Re: [Wlug] glut of 21" monitors
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:21:19 -0400
>From: Frank Moody <fmoody-ug-wlug(a)moodman.org>
>To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
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>On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 04:19:04PM -0400, Doug Mildram wrote:
>> doug> This may not have any appeal but :
>>
>> My Westborough MA office needs to give away quite a few (dozen or more) of
>>
>> 21" NEC Accusync 1999-2000 vintage
>> or
>> 21" ViewSonic G810 1997-1998 vintage
>>
>> Free and Good. (The Not-So-Good ones, I'll dispose of elsewhere.
>> I won't dump fuzzy, burned-in, or bad ones into your hands. )
>>
Frank,
Please reserve one of the good ones (free as in free beer) for me.I would like to pick it up before 12 noon tomorrow (Thursday 5-19) if I could.Otherwise I might not be able to come until Friday.Please tell me where in Westborough your company is located.
Al Butler
albutler33(a)netscape.net
>> ====================
>>
>> One final "gem" : There's a Frank ???? on this wlug list
>> who I recall had a toshiba portege laptop:
>> Sorry I never snagged your full name/addr!
>> Need another Portege 71xx DVD/enet dock station?
>>
>> ================================================================
>> Doug Mildram Mindspeed Technologies
><SNIP>
>
> I think I'm the Frank with the portege (actually have two, 7200CTe
>and a 7220CTe). Sure, I'll take the docking station, just let me know what
>the part number is so I can confirm it is the right one.
>
> I'd also like a few of the 21"s, preferrably the G810s and matched
>sets of two. I'd be interested in anywhere from one up to a half dozen of
>them... Dual monitor setups are usually hard to upgrade on a limited
>budget. *chuckle*
>
> Double luck since it looks like the Worcester Co-op will take donations
> of whatever monitors get replaced...
>
> Now I just need to double check that the desk will take the new weight...
>
>Frank Moody
>
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>Subject: [Wlug] Share a Ride from Leominster?
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:43:46 -0400
>From: Frank Moody <fmoody-ug-wlug(a)moodman.org>
>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
>
> Anybody mind lending me a lift to the WLUG meeting Thursday from
>Leominster?
>
>Frank
>(Who is loving the situation of sorting out a registration paperwork error in
>California from the other side of the country...)
>
>
>Subject: [Wlug] Re: glut of 21" monitors
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:15:55 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Norm Legare <normlegare(a)yahoo.com>
>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
>
>When and where can these be looked at? I'd be interested in a couple.
>
>Norm
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:19:04 -0400
>> From: Doug Mildram <doug.mildram(a)mindspeed.com>
>> Subject: [Wlug] glut of 21" monitors
>> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
>> Message-ID: <20050517201904.GA15175(a)dogbert.westboro.mindspeed.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>> doug> This may not have any appeal but :
>>
>> My Westborough MA office needs to give away quite a few (dozen or
>> more) of
>>
>> 21" NEC Accusync 1999-2000 vintage
>> or
>> 21" ViewSonic G810 1997-1998 vintage
>>
>> Free and Good. (The Not-So-Good ones, I'll dispose of elsewhere.
>> I won't dump fuzzy, burned-in, or bad ones into your
>> hands. )
>>
>> ====================
>>
>> One final "gem" : There's a Frank ???? on this wlug list
>> who I recall had a toshiba portege laptop:
>> Sorry I never snagged your full name/addr!
>> Need another Portege 71xx DVD/enet dock station?
>>
>> ================================================================
>> Doug Mildram Mindspeed Technologies
>> 8 Technology Drive ( near EMC, 495 and route 9 )
>> Westborough, MA 01581
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>Subject: [Wlug] Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 19, Issue 8
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:51:23 -0400
>From: joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com>
>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
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>I would also like to get two of the 21" monitors if they are still left.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Joel Desrochers
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May 18, 2005
Re: [Wlug] (no subject)
by John Stoffel
Tim> Here's my .02 cents on building a machine.
I'm going to chime in here as well with my thoughts on system building
options.
0. Motherboard.
- integrated vs discrete graphics.
This is a toughie. For a home server, I'd go integrated. Heck,
I'd try to get something with a serial console so I could manage it
without a KVM, since ideally the system will be headless most of
the time and just serving data, etc.
- PS/2 mouse/keyboard ports or all USB? Depends on what you have
and whether you're replacing it all or using existing stuff.
- PCIe slots.
- unless you game, don't bother with lots of x16 slots, maybe
two, but get as many slots as you can. If you have legacy PCI
cards you want to use, that's another factor.
Think long term expandability. Remember that PCIe x1 cards will
fit in x4,8,16 slots, they just won't get the performance
advantage. Doesn't go the other way though.
- SATA ports on board. I'd get a bunch if I can, since if you
ever load up the system with lots of drives, you want to put off
the day you need a PCIe SATA board. This is why I like x4 or x8
slots for the future.
0b. Network
Gigabit by default. Upgrade your home switch too. If you can,
get dual Gig ports, but don't sweat it too much otherwise.
- skip wireless for a desktop, unless you absolutely need to put
it somehwere with only power access. Then get an 802.11n card for
the system and upgrade your Access Point (AP) as well.
Tim> 1. Memory. You can never have too much of it. I'd say try to
Tim> get a board that'll do 8GB with the expectation you'll be there
Tim> at some point.
Absolutely. Spending more on memory is a better idea than more on a
slightly faster CPU. Don't sweat DDR2 vs DDR3 at this time unless
you're seriously number crunching.
Tim> 2. CPU: go duel at a minimum. If you could swing a quad I'd say
Tim> go for it.
Dual. Sorry, being pedantic. But I agree. I also lean heavily
towards AMD because I like that they've been doing documentation drops
on their GPUs, and because I want CPU vendor competition, not just one
vendor.
But as a suggestion, graph CPU speed vs $$$ for a family of systems
and look for the sweet spot, which is where the price goes up sharply
for just a small gain in speed.
Do the same for the number of cores, and put them on the same graph.
Think about cache, etc.
Right now, the Triple Core AMD X2s looks nice. For a set amount of
$$$, I'd personally go with more cores vs higher speed.
Also, NEVER overclock. It's just not worth it. Yeah, it makes you
feel studly, but esp for a home server, you want stability and low
power draw, since it will be on all the time.
Oh yeah, think about power disappation. Try to get the lowest wattage
parts you can. Another reason why more cores, slower clock freq and
lower thermals can be a win.
Again, think about whether you really need to spend $100 more to get
200 Mhz of speed. Think how much memory you could buy instead! Or
disk space.
Tim> 3. Video card: Get something that will do HDMI and is capable of
Tim> duel head. I've got a Nvidia GeForce 8400 GS with 512MB of video
Tim> memory and it cost me a whopping 40 dollars!
The thing to think about is whether you go Dual HDMI, or one VGA and
one HDMI. Or do you get Dual HDMI and an HDMI->VGA adaptor.
One slot or two? Fanless or big honking fan? If you're not playing
games, getting a video card which will have good opensource support is
my metric. Go AMD.
Also, quiet is nice.
Tim> 4. Harddrives: If your going to spring for 1, go ahead and buy
Tim> two and then mirror them. Mirrored drives have now saved my ass
Tim> on three occasions.
Hear hear! It's almost tempting to get an USB thumbdrive to boot
from, and the two disks are just a mirror MD RAID setup, with LVM on
top.
Around $100/per drive is a sweet spot, you can get two 1Tb drives
mirrored. Nice.
Tim> 5. Case: Honestly I like cases that don't resemble a disco under
Tim> my desk. I'm also fond of 120mm case fans. They move a shit
Tim> load of air and are quiet.
I've gotten and been really happy with the CoolerMaster Centurion 5
all black case without any windows. Lots of bays, nice clean design,
plenty of IO ports up front to use with USB/Firewire.
Tim> Power Supply: I wouldn't go smaller than a 350W. If you ever
Tim> decide to suddenly add two more drives or a burner, nothing sucks
Tim> more than your power supply being the weak link.
Go with a quiet and energy efficient one if you can.
Tim> 6. OS: Do it yourself. I'm not sure if Ubuntu will let you
Tim> mirror drives at install, I know the Red Hat family of distros
Tim> will. Doing your own install will at least give you an explicit
Tim> understanding of what packages you've installed. Heck we could
Tim> probably make a meeting out of helping you install and tweak your
Tim> machine!
Absolutely. Have fun with the system.
John
Aug. 14, 2009
Meey
by kpoisant＠gmail.com
Its thursday night any one interested in grabbing a drink or meeting up?
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> From: Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net>
> Subject: Re: [Wlug] web hosting?
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> Just curious, why do you want it to be local? If it's a random host
> out on the Internet, locality probably doesn't matter much unless
> latency is an issue for you.
>
> And what do you mean by local? Are you limiting to just Worcester
> area, or Eastern MA, or New England, or Eastern US, or ...? ;)
>
> You can get a VPS pretty cheap, I seem to recall prices of ~$35/month
> for a small instance in NYC w/ 100-200G/month transfer.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu>
> wrote:
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for a cheap, relatively
>> Apache/MySQL/PHP web and POP/IMAP email host? Preferably someplace
>> local. It
>> doesn?t have to be too powerful. A few gigabytes of storage space
>> and max
>> bandwidth in the range of tens of gigabytes per month.
>
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> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:14:31 -0500
> From: Andre Lehovich <Andre.Lehovich(a)gmx.com>
> Subject: [Wlug] [SPF:fail] Re: web hosting?
> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
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>> You can get a VPS pretty cheap, I seem to recall prices of ~$35/month
>> for a small instance in NYC w/ 100-200G/month transfer.
>
> Linode.com is $20/month for Xen VPS w/ good specs. They get rave
> reviews, though I've never used their service.
>
> I've seen posts on lowendbox.com mentioning VPS deals as low as $3/
> month.
>
> I'm currently using pairlite.com for shared hosting (FreeBSD). So far
> no problems. I'm considering switching to nearlyfreespeech.net,
> because
> their metered pricing looks to be cheaper for my usage.
>
> --Andre
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:32:47 -0500
> From: "Nick Nassar" <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Wlug] web hosting?
> To: "'Worcester Linux Users Group'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
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> By "local" I guess I really mean small enough that I can get a real
> person if there's an issue, even if it's email support only. I've
> had bad luck with large web hosts like Dreamhost and 1and1 in the
> past. Most of the time they're excellent, but when there is an issue
> tech support is unresponsive and it takes days to get it resolved.
> It's been a few years since I've shopped around, and maybe that's
> not as much of an issue anymore.
>
> I'm leaning towards a hosted solution, rather than VPS. Someone else
> can worry about keeping up to date with security updates for Linux
> and Apache.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org]
> On Behalf Of Theo Van Dinter
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:46 AM
> To: Worcester Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Wlug] web hosting?
>
> Just curious, why do you want it to be local? If it's a random host
> out on the Internet, locality probably doesn't matter much unless
> latency is an issue for you.
>
> And what do you mean by local? Are you limiting to just Worcester
> area, or Eastern MA, or New England, or Eastern US, or ...? ;)
>
> You can get a VPS pretty cheap, I seem to recall prices of ~$35/month
> for a small instance in NYC w/ 100-200G/month transfer.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu>
> wrote:
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for a cheap, relatively
>> Apache/MySQL/PHP web and POP/IMAP email host? Preferably someplace
>> local. It
>> doesn?t have to be too powerful. A few gigabytes of storage space
>> and max
>> bandwidth in the range of tens of gigabytes per month.
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Nov. 12, 2009
Re: [Wlug] upgrading suse 7.2 to 8.1
by Gregory Avedissian
Doug,
Thanks for the info and the link. As it turns out, the personal version
is missing about 120 packages out of what I have installed. I recognized
about 30 of them, and the download time is prohibitive. I need to get
the pro version on cd.
Meanwhile, I really wanted to know if XFree 4.x would work with my card,
so I took a spare hard drive and installed debian woody. I installed
xfree 4.1 and had to add the 3DLabs driver from xf3.3.6. Apparentlly,
there's software to make driver work with the new version, and it works
well. I no longer get little squares and dashes instead of letters on
some programs. Makes it much easier to figure out which buttons to click
when you can read the words.
I'd tried debian a couple months ago and was unhappy with the
installation process. Someone on this list suggested installing just the
base system and then using apt-get to install the other packages I
wanted. That seems to work out very well with almost everything (not ALSA).
The other reason I wanted to upgrade was to be able to run a newer
version of mozilla with junk mail controls. I'm using 1.4, and the junk
filters work pretty well. In fact, they work so well that I haven't
wanted to boot suse to get my mail. That's part of the reason it's taken
me so long to get back to you on this.
Thanks again,
Greg
doug waud wrote:
> Hi
>
> Gregory Avedissian wrote:
>
>> I'm getting ready to upgrade from SuSE 7.2 to 8.1, and I have a little
>> confusion and some questions.
>>
>> I'm going from 7.2 pro edition to 8.1 personal edition. Any ideas
>> what's missing in the personal edition?
>
>
> Up to version 7 SuSE used to list this comparison right on the box. Your
> old 7.2 box should give a reasonably good idea of what the general
> differnces are. The URL will give the same for 9
> http://www.suse.de/en/private/products/suse_linux/i386/packages.html
> I could not find the equivalent for 8.x :-(
>
>> Attempting to replace what is installed, I get a list of conflicts,
>> with advice to delete the old program, even if they don't have a
>> replacement. I was surprised to see that balsa and gftp were listed
>> as not having newer versions. Is this because they're not on the
>> personal edition? I know they exist, because they're available at rpmfind
>
>
> I am running 8.2 on this notebook I am writing on now and locate comes
> up with both balsa and gftp (under Yast as uninstalled) so I suspect
> they are just not on the personal edition. Also the 9.0 URL above
> explicitly lists both in the professional and neither in the personal
> edition.
>
>> The real issue -
>> XFree 4.x doesn't seem to want to recognize my ELSA GLoria-L video
>> card. Sax2 will run in 640x480 only, and I can't get it to run with
>> the glint driver (the one that's supposed to work with this card). I
>> tried doing this with the SuSE 8.2 evaluation disk, and I'm running
>> into the same problems I had when I tried to upgrade to XFree 4.1
>> about a month ago.
>>
>> So here's the question -
>> Can I upgrade to 8.1 without upgrading XFree? Better yet, if I upgrade
>> the XFree, and it doesn't work, is there an easy way to return to the
>> older version by using the CD's. Or do I have to manually back up
>> /usr/X11R6 and /etc/X11 first, and then recopy them to get back to the
>> older version? Will the rest of the SuSE 8.1 be pissed off about
>> using XFree 3.3.6?
>
>
> I am "underwhelmed" by Sax2's ability to get XFree right. I have just
> been upgrading my desktop to SuSE 8.2 and the screen was all screwed up.
> I finally went into /etc/X11/XF86Config and found that it seemed to
> think my 1Meg video memory (I'm the last of the big time spenders!} was
> 8 Meg.
> I just put a VideoRam 1024 in the Device section, dd'd a couple of
> 1280x1024 modes, defaulted to 8bit color depth, and X then ran fine.
>
> I believe you always have the choice of running either 4.x or 3.x but
> confess I forget how you tell the beast which one to use. :-). I would
> be very suprised if you could not get 4.x to work, but if that really
> turns out to be the case, let me know and I'll root around and see if I
> can recall the trick for forcing ti to use 3.x.
>
>> I suppose I could change the vid card, but I'd rather not spend any
>> money,
>
>
> That's my sort of guy!
>
>> and since this one is listed as working, I'd like to be able to get it
>> to work.
>
>
> And, as indicated above, you should be able to.
>
> doug
>
> PS The WLUG meeting tonight is a good place to get help from real
> experts, for example, Andy Whatshisname, and others more knowledgable
> than I.
>
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Nov. 24, 2003
Re: Uptime!
by Jon "maddog" Hall
I had not heard of Fortran 5 (or Fortran V) and a half-hearted search of
the Internet did not find anything.
Do you have any pointers to it?
Thanks,
md
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 18:09 Mike Peckar <mpeckar(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> According to the Guiness Book of World records, The computer system that
> has been in continual operation for the longest period is the Computer
> Command System (CCS) onboard NASA's *Voyager 2* spacecraft. This system
> has been in continuous operation since the spacecraft's launch on 20 August
> 1977. Voyager 1's CCS uptime trails it by a couple of weeks and both are
> still going.
>
> Each Voyager has two CCSs, two Flight Data System (FDS) computers and two
> Attitude and Articulation Control System (AACS) computers, but the FDS &
> AACS do not operate continuously. The CCS's have two 18-bit word, interrupt
> type processors with 4096 words each of non-volatile plated wire memory
> amounting to 69.63 kilobytes. They execute about 81,000 instructions per
> second and transmit data back to Earth at 160 bits per second. They were
> originally programmed in Fortran 5.
>
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:32 PM Jon "maddog" Hall <
> jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Believe it or not, both VMS and Digital Unix systems were the same way.
>> They would go months and years without rebooting.
>>
>> The US Navy had two hospital ships, the "Mercy" and the "Hope". One
>> stationed on the East Coast and one in San Diego. The one on the East
>> Coast used WNT for the servers and the one in San Diego used GNU/Linux.
>> The ship using WNT had to have twice as many servers as the one in San
>> Diego because the Navy rules said that a WNT server HAD to be rebooted
>> every 30 days, whereas there was no such requirement for GNU/Linux. Since
>> a Naval deployment could last longer than 30 days, and since they needed
>> the server services to be up constantly that whole time, they needed twice
>> as many WNT servers.
>>
>> md
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mike Peckar via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Fun Story, Maddog. Around 20 yrs ago I was consulting for Bloomberg in
>>> Skillman, NJ, a big Solaris shop. The HP app I was working with bellied up
>>> with memory leaks and I suggested they reboot that server. I was told flat
>>> out they don't reboot Solaris servers period. They cleaned up the mess and
>>> isolated where in the HP code that the pointer was lost, leaving me the
>>> not-so-fun task of filing the bug report with HP.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 7:39 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG <
>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim,
>>>>
>>>> What was the reason for shutting it down?
>>>>
>>>> This reminds me of a story from years ago where a young friend
>>>> contacted me before a trip to the University of New Hampshire for a Linux
>>>> LUG meeting.
>>>>
>>>> He asked me if I would go to a particular dorm and knock on the door of
>>>> what had been his door room. I was to ask if I could unplug the box that
>>>> was in the corner of the closet in the room. The system had been running
>>>> for five years in his former dorm room and he had forgotten the login
>>>> password. He did not want the machine back, just wanted it unplugged.
>>>>
>>>> A young woman answered the door, heard my explanation and let me unplug
>>>> the machine. "We were afraid to unplug it" she said.
>>>>
>>>> Your machine beat his machine on uptime.
>>>>
>>>> md
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 5:07 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <
>>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime!
>>>>> It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013!
>>>>> Tim.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their
>>>>> constituents as "consumers".
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April 21, 2022
Re: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ...
by Randall Mason
The long and short of this is that you need to figure out what the sound
looks like. Is it a simple sound that's easy to differentiate by just
choosing the highest peak on an FFT? If your doorbell has a peak at 10khz
and your dryer has a peak at 5khz, it should be pretty easy to do if 4.9khz
< max(fft(audiodata)) < 5.1khz then dryer; if 9.9khz < max(fft(audiodata))
< 10.1khz then doorbell.
Most likely it's not going to be that easy. Also there is the possibility
that the dryer manufacturer and the doorbell manufacturer used the same
component for the buzzer and it's going to be mathematically the same sound
pattern, but differ on harmonics blocked by the room.
You could need to use the whole fft of the sound, recorded at many
different locations in the house and then use nearest neighbor for the
convolution of the "new" sound with the old sound and then compared to a
database of previous sounds. You would need a large database of example
sounds to compare with. Probably at least 100 examples of each sound that
would go off and then you would need to set a threshold of "closeness" so
that you don't always detect new sounds as one of the old sounds.
If this didn't work, then you may have to go with a hefty fingerprint like
chromaprint or echoprint. Those would give you so much info about not just
the frequencies, but also the rhythm of the sounds. Like maybe your dryer
and your oven have the same frequency pattern because the manufacturers
used the same buzzer, but they pulse them differently. That's one
advantage to these full fingerprint libraries. And somebody else did the
science, so you don't need to write a dissertation in DSP to be sure that
you have some rigour to your approach.
Chromaprint <http://acoustid.org/chromaprint> would be a good library to go
with in that case. It's part of the acoustid project and has a great how
it works <http://oxygene.sk/2011/01/how-does-chromaprint-work/> blog post
for the acoustically curious. The problem would be that it's mainly
developed for sounds as complex as music, so I don't know how it would work
with a "buzz" noise. It's small enough and fast enough that it can happen
quickly enough on a phone. That's how programs like
shazam<http://www.shazam.com/>work. They make the fingerprint on the
phone from a 10 second recording
and push it to a server that processes it. Shazam has riddled the
landscape with software patents, so chromaprint isn't a replacement for
that, it's just close enough that it may work.
Other things to look at:
http://code.google.com/p/musicg/ - A java audio DSP library. Does
fingerprinting and stuff.
Echoprint has been ported to Android:
https://github.com/gvsumasl/EchoprintForAndroid
If you send me some example sounds, I can look at them in python or
something and let you know what I think about different metrics that you
could use to compare the sounds. Specifically a recording in a loss-less
codec like flac or without compression like wav would be important because
MP3 and such destroy parts of the audio waveform. 'Course I could just
record my kitchen timer and let you know what it looks like...
Your offer to do the programming is great, because I'm no app dev, but I do
have some education and experience with signal processing.
Randall Mason
clashthebunny(a)gmail.com
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:20 AM, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net>wrote:
> Tim,
>
> After your feedback and feedback received during the WLUG meeting, it
> seems that
> it is better to use something like an Arduino instead of a phone as the signal
> processing
> box.
>
> To that effect, I googled "arduino dsp" and got a whole lot of hits on DSP
> shields for arduino
> and on projects that illustrate how to write arduino sketches that
> manipulate the stream.
>
> One possibility would be to have an Arduino with a DSP and a bluetooth
> receiver. The bluetooth would communicate with a phone and/or a wearable.
> The phone would tell the arduino what sounds to look for - that is,
> provide signatures that should be matched. The wearable and/or the phone
> would be used to give the event to the user. I think that this
> configuration along with a battery could be configured to fit in a small
> fanny pack.
>
> The arduino could also use zig-bee to communicate with a home automation
> system and pass events to the phone/wearable.
>
> Hmmm, I think we are on to something.
>
> -David
>
> On 12/12/2012 08:33 PM, Tim Keller wrote:
>
> I would have to imagine having your phone listen to ambient sound and
> then filter looking for a whole range of specific sounds is basically
> going to use all the phones processing power along with its ram...
>
> I have to imagine that not hearing the beep when the oven is done pre
> heating must be annoying
>
> Not hearing the washing machine or the clothes dryer buzz would really
> piss me off.
>
> imagine a box. On this box would be al led screen where you could
> cycle through a menu and pick a input to listen to and report when
> either that input starts or stops.
>
> In the case of a clothes dryer when the vibration sensor stops sensing
> vibration, chances are good it's done.
>
> This box would also have plugs for things like a photo sensor you
> could stick on the face of your stove right over the led for
> preheating the oven.
>
> All of this stuff could be tied back to your phone that would vibrate
> and sent an sms message. Possibly you could tie it in with a home
> automation system to flash lights, etc.
>
> Just some ideas.
>
> Tim.
>
>
>
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Dec. 13, 2012
Enterprise Linux Forum - Special Offer for Linux User Groups
by Andy Stewart
Hi Everybody,
On Dec. 3 and 4, 2002, the Enterprise Linux Forum will be held at the Boston
Marriot (Copley Place) in Boston, MA. We have been offered a $200 discount
for WLUG members who attend the event. If you want more information, read
below that which was sent to me. If you wish to go and can't read the
attachments, send me e-mail.
Later,
Andy
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Subject: Enterprise Linux Forum - Special Offer for Linux User Groups
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:27:15 -0500
From: Juliet Sigmann <jsigmann(a)jupitermedia.com>
To: andystewart(a)attbi.com
Andy,
I hope you do not think it too forward of me to send you this e-mail, but I
came across Worcester Linux Users Group while researching Linux associations
and user group sites. My company, Jupitermedia, has developed a conference
that I believe will be of interest to you and other members of Worcester
Linux Users Group . The name of the event is Enterprise Linux Forum
Conference & Expo. For complete details on this event, visit
http://www.enterpriselinuxforum.com
I would like to offer Worcester Linux Users Group members a $200 discount to
attend the Enterprise Linux Forum. Registrations processed by November 19th
save an additional $100 off the regular conference price. The conference
offers 1-Day, 2-Day, and Expo Pass (free) passes to the event.
This e-mail is not a "sales call", but is a win-win business proposition.
We are seeking to drive attendance at this first time (albeit world-class)
event. We can offer you and other Worcester Linux Users Group members a
world class event that touches on a number of subjects via 4 comprehensive
tracks that I believe would be of interest to your group such as Linux in
the Datacenter; Clustered and Distributed Computing; Operations, Management
and Infrastructure; and Application, Storage and Information Management.
Scroll below for the complete line-up of speakers and topics to be
highlighted at this event.
As the conference brochure (attached in PDF format) relates, this event is
set to run December 3-4, 2002 at the Boston Marriott Copley Place in Boston,
MA.
Currently, the event is sponsored by Red Hat (Premier Sponsor), BMC
Software, Computer Associates, Dell, Egenera, IBM, NeTraverse, Oracle, Sun
Microsystems, SuSE Linux, Ximian, and more. Additional supporters of the
event include: Illuminata (Premier Analyst Sponsor) and association sponsors
Free Standards Group, GNOME Foundation, Linux International, and Open Source
Development Lab. Media sponsors include, Capterra, HostingTech, IT Toolbox,
Linux Journal, and OutsourcingCentral.com.
Visit the event web site at www.enterpriselinuxforum.com for the most
up-to-date listing of speakers, session descriptions, sponsors, and
exhibitors.
Again, I would like to offer Worcester Linux Users Group members a $200
discount to attend the Enterprise Linux Forum. As you can see from the
number and quality of sponsors and speakers, this is a first rate event.
I have attached with this e-mail a fax back registration form with the $200
discount as well as some copy that you could include in an email newsletter
to you members or your web site. In order for your members to take
advantage of this $200 discount, they will need to use the priority code
assigned in the fax back form or attached copy.
Please call me directly if you have any comments or questions.
Sincerely,
Juliet Sigmann
Marketing Manager
Jupitermedia Corporation
(formerly INT Media Group)
30 Lyman Street, Suite 8
Westboro, MA 01581
T: 508-870-5858 x119
F: 508-870-6521
eFax: 801-761-9698
jsigmann(a)jupitermedia.com
www.jupitermedia.com
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***************
Keynotes and Sessions
Click on http://www.jupiterevents.com/elf/fall02/glance.html for the
complete agenda
Keynote 1: The Inevitable Linux Momentum - Matthew J. Szulik, Chairman, CEO
and President, Red Hat
Keynote 2: Linux in Prime Time: Open Source Meets Enterprise Requirements -
Jonathan Eunice, President and Principal
Analyst, Illuminata
Keynote 3: IBM Enterprise Solutions for Linux - Steven C. Solazzo, General
Manager, Linux, IBM
Keynote 4: Unbreakable Linux - Rene Bonvanie, VP of Oracle9i Marketing,
Oracle Corporation
Session 1: The Changing Face of Linux - David Niemi, Director of Systems
Engineering, Adeptech Systems, Inc.
Session 2: Linux High Availability Cluster Selection - Tim Burke, Advanced
Server Technical Project Leader, Red Hat
Session 3: VPN Enterprise Implementation at Rochester Midland - Tony
Karakashian, Network Manager, Rochester Midland
Corporation
Session 4: Linux as Embedded Operating System - Rob Lembree, Technical
Director, Metro Link, Inc.
Session 5: How Sitel Worldwide Runs Call Centers Utilizing Linux - Scott
Clark, Director of Systems Engineering, Sitel Corporation
Session 6: PANEL: Server Consolidation Strategies Using Linux - Moderator:
Brian Proffitt, Managing Editor, LinuxToday.com
Session 7: The Enterprise Linux Desktop: Addressing Corporate Needs - Nat
Friedman, Co-founder and Vice President of Product
Development, Ximian
Session 8: Managing Linux on Datacenter Mainframe Systems - Alex deVries,
Principal Solutions Architect, Linuxcare
Session 9: The Future of Open Source Software in the Enterprise - Randy
Terbush, Managing Partner, Tribal Knowledge Group
Session 10: The Future of Datacenter Computing: How the Combination of
Storage Area Networks and Processing Area Networks
Solves Multiple Pain Points for Enterprise Datacenters
Session 11: Apache: An Enterprise-Level Server - Daniel Lopez Ridruejo,
Senior Developer, Instant802 Networks
Session 12: The Virtual Environment - Where Does Linux Fit? - Dan
Kusnetzky, Vice President, System Software Research, IDC
Session 13: Enterprise-Ready Linux on the Mainframe: The Path to Success -
Sam Greenblatt, SVP, Computer Associates
Session 14: The Linux Factor: How Linux and Friends will Reshape
Application by 2005 - Jasmine Noel, Founder and Principal,
JNoel Associates
Session 15: Rethinking the Linux Distribution: Linux as Platform, Not
Product - Ian Murdock, Progeny
Session 16: Linux Clusters and Open Source Software in the Life Sciences -
Glenn Otero, Ph.D., Founder and Principal, Linux
Prophet
Session 17: The Linux Standard Base - Changing Everything You Think About
Linux - Scott McNeil, Executive Director, Free
Standards Group
Session 18: Linux in Business: Answering Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt -
Russell Pavlicek, Independent Consultant
Session 19: PANEL: Integrating Linux Into the Enterprise - Moderator: Brian
Proffitt, Managing Editor, LinuxToday.com
Session 20: Open Source Development Lab Data Center Linux (DCL) for OLTP
and DSS - Timothy Witham, Lab Director, Open
Source Development Lab
Session 21: Migrating C/C++ Applications from Unix to Linux - Shel Travis,
Vice President of Research, MigraTEC
Session 22: Web Services: The Killer Application for Open Source -
Christian Gross, Software Engineering Consultant
Session 23: Linux Database Clusters for High Performance Computing - Boris
C. Bialek, Manager, DB2 Strategic Technologies,
IBM Toronto Lab
Session 24: High-Performance End-to-End Computing Using Linux - Chris
Maresca, Senior Partner, Olliance Group, LLC
****************************************************************************
***************
-------------------------------------------------------
--
Andy Stewart, Founder
Worcester Linux Users' Group
Worcester, MA USA
http://www.wlug.org
Nov. 1, 2002
RE: [Wlug] MP3 Player recommendations
by Keller, Tim
My $.02
I personally own a Sonic blue Rio Volt and really like it. I've never heard
of the iriver, but oh well.
Things I really like about the Rio Volt
1. 10 hours of music per CD (with 128bit mp3's).
2. doesn't use some weirdo proprietary storage device that they'll stop
manufacturing 6 months from now.
3. Can play regular CD's. This weighed heavily into getting a CD based
device. I'm not going to carry an mp3 player and a CD player. Invariably,
I go some where and someone's got a CD they want to listen to...
4. supports different bit depths on mp3's. My advisor got a cheaper CD
based mp3 player and it just assumes that everything's 128bit. His 96bit
hotel California mp3 sounds like "Alvin and the chipmunks do the eagles
greatest hits"
5. has a recessed switch to disable the controls on the unit. You don't
know how many sets of batteries I killed in my Sony Discman because I'd put
it in my backpack and the buttons would get pressed and it would play Ride
the lightning over and over.
6. The controls are good but a bit esoteric. I've got a CD with the
complete works of Pink Floyd on it, organized as "albums as subdirectories"
so its got ~156 songs. Until you understand the controls (or read the
instructions) finding a single song is a bit mind bending.
7. It has a 40 second cache so the battery life is pretty long.
Things I don't like about the Rio Volt:
1. The volume sucks on it. The ear bud headphones are just a complete
waste, unless your dumbo. You'll want a pair of headphones with their own
gain volume.
2. The battery cover opens easily, not really a big deal, but annoying.
3. Can't recharge batteries in the device. My old discman does this, why
couldn't these guys?
4. Those stupid dancing people and that spinning CD icon (which looks a lot
like the fan icon on the front of a Sun E1000 fibre array). I would have
ditched the people and made the text display larger so you could put more
info on it. (in the same vein I would have dumped the stupid fan icon and
put "FAN BROKE" but that's just me...:)
I'll bring my mp3 player with me to the next wlug meeting so anybody who
wants to check it out are welcome.
Tim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sands Fish [mailto:fishsands@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:46 AM
To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
Subject: Re: [Wlug] MP3 Player recommendations
A little more depth on the Sonicblue Rio Volt SP250:
This is the model I was going to (and still might)
purchase, kuz you can't be a cool dork w/out a
portable mp3 player. ;) When I dug a little deeper
into this model, I came across it's European
counter-part, the iRiver. It is, of course, a little
more expensive. Essentially, it's from the same
company who OEM's the RioVolt line, but the trick is,
they water down their products for the American
market. There are a few things that the iRiver has
that the RioVolt doesn't.
1.) LCD on the remote control. I don't know how much
this interests people, but it's a nice little feature.
Also, I believe those stupid dancing people that
everyone so widely hated do not appear on the iRiver.
2.) I've been told by people experienced in both
players that there are much more frequent firmware
revisions for the iRiver. Oh, and this is a good
place to mention that this is the feature that made me
wanna buy it. As patches/fixes/upgrades are made for
the player, you can d/l firmware upgrades, burn them
to a cd, and run them in the player. One thing that
really interested me is that, on the iRiver site
http://www.iriver.com/english/imp250.htm
they mention the potential implementation of the OGG
Vorbis format, which I'm a big fan of, (no royalties
threatened like MP3.) This is something I haven't
seen mentioned for the American version, but who
knows.
One other thing I should mention. You'll need a power
converter for this model. :)
If anyone does end up with this player, please post
your impressions on the list. I haven't completely
made up my mind yet whether I want to pay more.
Sincerely,
Cheapskate Sands Fish <x><
--- "Charles R . Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 03:00:26PM -0500, Andy
> Stewart wrote:
> andystewart> Christmas is coming, and I'm thinking
> about asking Santa for a portable
> andystewart> MP3 player. Of course, it needs to
> work with Linux.
>
> You to, eh?
>
> andystewart> Judging from the looks of the CDs which
> I've ripped into MP3 files, 32 MB
> andystewart> of memory looks like it might be a tad
> small for a single CD, while 64 MB
> andystewart> looks like it might do the trick for
> loading up around 2 CDs worth of
> andystewart> music. Is this a fair assessment?
> Since I use compact flash for my
> andystewart> digital camera, any MP3 player that
> uses this medium should probably get
> andystewart> extra consideration, I would think.
>
> Personally, I think the memory-based MP3 players are
> way too expensive for how
> many songs they can hold. I'd rather have a
> CD-ROM-based player, since a CD
> can hold about 10 hours of music. Also, you don't
> have to worry about
> Linux compatibility, since it will take any standard
> ISO9660 CD-ROM which you
> can burn from Linux just fine. The other type of
> players, based on hard drives,
> are also too expensive for my taste, and who needs
> to store 100's of hours of
> music on a portable device? The CD-MP3 players are
> the "just right"
> price/performance right now.
>
> The latest CD-MP3 players have come a long way since
> the Genica 1st generation
> units. By far the best ones I have found are these
> two, since they have
> excellent navigation capabilities, which you'll need
> to navigate the hundreds
> of songs on a CD:
>
> Sonicblue Rio Volt SP250
> TDK Mojo
>
> Check out their reviews on http://music.cnet.com/ .
> They both got Editor's Choice.
>
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Re: Replacing discord...
by Tim Keller
John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not
in the signal chat is a valid concern.
Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet
that hosted a private *something* for us.
I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the
"community" thing that in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels
like yelling into the ether instead of a conversation.
We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option?
Tim.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> What about Mattermost?
>
>
> *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real
> life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten
> through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to
> be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This
> perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is
> the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for
> no one."*- Souza
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's
>> only a problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space
>> and rooms are private, that attack vector closes.
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes:
>>
>> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being
>> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work.
>> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it
>> wouldn't be a problem?
>>
>> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these
>> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal
>> chats are shared widely as possible.
>>
>> And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>>
>> - instant messages (signal)
>> - email threads.
>>
>> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages
>> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need
>> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read
>> them.
>>
>> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it
>> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both
>> good and bad. LOL!
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
>> > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
>> > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
>> > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
>> > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
>> > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
>> > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
>> > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
>> > offerings.
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
>> >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
>> >> users behind.
>> >>
>> >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
>> >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
>> >>
>> >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
>> >> new.
>> >>
>> >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
>> >>
>> >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
>> >> well. In order of requirements I think:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - needs to be open
>> >> - WLUG needs to control the data
>> >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
>> >> - web based
>> >> - CLI / plain text based
>> >> - Apple/Android clients.
>> >> - searchable
>> >> - able to organize a bit into channels.
>> >> - announcements
>> >> - regular chat
>> >> - questions or howtos
>> >>
>> >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
>> >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
>> >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
>> >> laptop.
>> >>
>> >> So what do people think?
>> >>
>> >> John
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Feb. 11, 2026
Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG
by joshua.gage.stone＠gmail.com
Tim,
Thank you very much for creating a meetup.com group for us! The UX for
finding future meetups and adding meetup dates to a calender is quite
good. Finding WLUG should also be fairly easy now when searching for
"linux" within a 50 mile radius of Boston:
https://www.meetup.com/find/?allMeetups=false&keywords=linux&radius=50&user…
I've noticed that some search strings will show LUGs with overlapping
interests but not WLUG. I think adding more words like "FOSS",
"Android", "Libre", "Open Source", "Ubuntu", "Fedora", "OpenSUSE",
"Arch Linux", "Unix", etc, to the related topics and/or What We're
About section should improve this.
I've tried setting up a community over Slack but I think the steps need
to join was what made it too intrusive for new people -- take joining
the Rust language Slack server for example:
https://rust-slack.herokuapp.com/
- Send an invite link to your email- Register with a name and password-
Be greeted with prompts about whether to send notifications- Open the
#general channel
And this has to be repeated for joining every community that has their
own Slack server, or at least this has been my experience so far. I
think Slack has cemented itself as more of a means for teams to
collaborate on a project, not so much for casual users who want to jump
right into a new chat.
Matrix only needs to register a username and password (email is
optional) on the server you're on, and once that's done you can join
any number of channels on that server. This is much closer to the UX of
IRC, and it's still superior in some ways because there's no fiddling
with choosing a specific authentication method like SASL and/or
authenticating with nickserv
I think in general Matrix has more mindshare amongst Linux users as a
modern alternative to IRC, which I think is worth considering when
comparing frequency of posts on Reddit:
https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/search?q=matrix&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevanc…
-Josh
On Sat, 2020-01-11 at 22:59 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote:
> This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG:
> https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six
> months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like.
> The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial
> to the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a
> slack channel as well maybe.
>
> Tim.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
> > We also have an IRC channel:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.wlug.org/participate.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Internet Relay Chat
> >
> >
> >
> > Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel.
> >
> >
> >
> > Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net
> >
> > Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link:
> > irc://irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma.
> >
> > See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your
> > web browser
> >
> >
> >
> > but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hey all,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again
> > to
> >
> > > Tim for giving me a ride home!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve
> > general
> >
> > > activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts.
> > Hosting a
> >
> > > meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and
> >
> > > getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great
> > too.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a
> > text chat
> >
> > > format for users who want to communicate more easily over the
> > internet,
> >
> > > especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord
> >
> > > servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room
> > sizes
> >
> > > generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even
> > before
> >
> > > Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates,
> > etc.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve
> >
> > > participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here
> > because it
> >
> > > has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web (
> >
> > > https://matrix.org/clients/
> >
> > > - Persistent chat history
> >
> > > - Link previews
> >
> > > - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality (
> >
> > > https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/
> >
> > > - User moderation
> >
> > > - Server federation
> >
> > > - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely
> > FOSS
> >
> > > - File sharing
> >
> > > - Voice/video calls
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat
> > room
> >
> > > would look like:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Or you can join the room I made:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > #wlug:matrix.org
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Any thoughts?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -Josh
> >
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