Enterprise Linux Forum - Special Offer for Linux User Groups
by Andy Stewart
Hi Everybody,
On Dec. 3 and 4, 2002, the Enterprise Linux Forum will be held at the Boston
Marriot (Copley Place) in Boston, MA. We have been offered a $200 discount
for WLUG members who attend the event. If you want more information, read
below that which was sent to me. If you wish to go and can't read the
attachments, send me e-mail.
Later,
Andy
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Subject: Enterprise Linux Forum - Special Offer for Linux User Groups
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:27:15 -0500
From: Juliet Sigmann <jsigmann(a)jupitermedia.com>
To: andystewart(a)attbi.com
Andy,
I hope you do not think it too forward of me to send you this e-mail, but I
came across Worcester Linux Users Group while researching Linux associations
and user group sites. My company, Jupitermedia, has developed a conference
that I believe will be of interest to you and other members of Worcester
Linux Users Group . The name of the event is Enterprise Linux Forum
Conference & Expo. For complete details on this event, visit
http://www.enterpriselinuxforum.com
I would like to offer Worcester Linux Users Group members a $200 discount to
attend the Enterprise Linux Forum. Registrations processed by November 19th
save an additional $100 off the regular conference price. The conference
offers 1-Day, 2-Day, and Expo Pass (free) passes to the event.
This e-mail is not a "sales call", but is a win-win business proposition.
We are seeking to drive attendance at this first time (albeit world-class)
event. We can offer you and other Worcester Linux Users Group members a
world class event that touches on a number of subjects via 4 comprehensive
tracks that I believe would be of interest to your group such as Linux in
the Datacenter; Clustered and Distributed Computing; Operations, Management
and Infrastructure; and Application, Storage and Information Management.
Scroll below for the complete line-up of speakers and topics to be
highlighted at this event.
As the conference brochure (attached in PDF format) relates, this event is
set to run December 3-4, 2002 at the Boston Marriott Copley Place in Boston,
MA.
Currently, the event is sponsored by Red Hat (Premier Sponsor), BMC
Software, Computer Associates, Dell, Egenera, IBM, NeTraverse, Oracle, Sun
Microsystems, SuSE Linux, Ximian, and more. Additional supporters of the
event include: Illuminata (Premier Analyst Sponsor) and association sponsors
Free Standards Group, GNOME Foundation, Linux International, and Open Source
Development Lab. Media sponsors include, Capterra, HostingTech, IT Toolbox,
Linux Journal, and OutsourcingCentral.com.
Visit the event web site at www.enterpriselinuxforum.com for the most
up-to-date listing of speakers, session descriptions, sponsors, and
exhibitors.
Again, I would like to offer Worcester Linux Users Group members a $200
discount to attend the Enterprise Linux Forum. As you can see from the
number and quality of sponsors and speakers, this is a first rate event.
I have attached with this e-mail a fax back registration form with the $200
discount as well as some copy that you could include in an email newsletter
to you members or your web site. In order for your members to take
advantage of this $200 discount, they will need to use the priority code
assigned in the fax back form or attached copy.
Please call me directly if you have any comments or questions.
Sincerely,
Juliet Sigmann
Marketing Manager
Jupitermedia Corporation
(formerly INT Media Group)
30 Lyman Street, Suite 8
Westboro, MA 01581
T: 508-870-5858 x119
F: 508-870-6521
eFax: 801-761-9698
jsigmann(a)jupitermedia.com
www.jupitermedia.com
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Keynotes and Sessions
Click on http://www.jupiterevents.com/elf/fall02/glance.html for the
complete agenda
Keynote 1: The Inevitable Linux Momentum - Matthew J. Szulik, Chairman, CEO
and President, Red Hat
Keynote 2: Linux in Prime Time: Open Source Meets Enterprise Requirements -
Jonathan Eunice, President and Principal
Analyst, Illuminata
Keynote 3: IBM Enterprise Solutions for Linux - Steven C. Solazzo, General
Manager, Linux, IBM
Keynote 4: Unbreakable Linux - Rene Bonvanie, VP of Oracle9i Marketing,
Oracle Corporation
Session 1: The Changing Face of Linux - David Niemi, Director of Systems
Engineering, Adeptech Systems, Inc.
Session 2: Linux High Availability Cluster Selection - Tim Burke, Advanced
Server Technical Project Leader, Red Hat
Session 3: VPN Enterprise Implementation at Rochester Midland - Tony
Karakashian, Network Manager, Rochester Midland
Corporation
Session 4: Linux as Embedded Operating System - Rob Lembree, Technical
Director, Metro Link, Inc.
Session 5: How Sitel Worldwide Runs Call Centers Utilizing Linux - Scott
Clark, Director of Systems Engineering, Sitel Corporation
Session 6: PANEL: Server Consolidation Strategies Using Linux - Moderator:
Brian Proffitt, Managing Editor, LinuxToday.com
Session 7: The Enterprise Linux Desktop: Addressing Corporate Needs - Nat
Friedman, Co-founder and Vice President of Product
Development, Ximian
Session 8: Managing Linux on Datacenter Mainframe Systems - Alex deVries,
Principal Solutions Architect, Linuxcare
Session 9: The Future of Open Source Software in the Enterprise - Randy
Terbush, Managing Partner, Tribal Knowledge Group
Session 10: The Future of Datacenter Computing: How the Combination of
Storage Area Networks and Processing Area Networks
Solves Multiple Pain Points for Enterprise Datacenters
Session 11: Apache: An Enterprise-Level Server - Daniel Lopez Ridruejo,
Senior Developer, Instant802 Networks
Session 12: The Virtual Environment - Where Does Linux Fit? - Dan
Kusnetzky, Vice President, System Software Research, IDC
Session 13: Enterprise-Ready Linux on the Mainframe: The Path to Success -
Sam Greenblatt, SVP, Computer Associates
Session 14: The Linux Factor: How Linux and Friends will Reshape
Application by 2005 - Jasmine Noel, Founder and Principal,
JNoel Associates
Session 15: Rethinking the Linux Distribution: Linux as Platform, Not
Product - Ian Murdock, Progeny
Session 16: Linux Clusters and Open Source Software in the Life Sciences -
Glenn Otero, Ph.D., Founder and Principal, Linux
Prophet
Session 17: The Linux Standard Base - Changing Everything You Think About
Linux - Scott McNeil, Executive Director, Free
Standards Group
Session 18: Linux in Business: Answering Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt -
Russell Pavlicek, Independent Consultant
Session 19: PANEL: Integrating Linux Into the Enterprise - Moderator: Brian
Proffitt, Managing Editor, LinuxToday.com
Session 20: Open Source Development Lab Data Center Linux (DCL) for OLTP
and DSS - Timothy Witham, Lab Director, Open
Source Development Lab
Session 21: Migrating C/C++ Applications from Unix to Linux - Shel Travis,
Vice President of Research, MigraTEC
Session 22: Web Services: The Killer Application for Open Source -
Christian Gross, Software Engineering Consultant
Session 23: Linux Database Clusters for High Performance Computing - Boris
C. Bialek, Manager, DB2 Strategic Technologies,
IBM Toronto Lab
Session 24: High-Performance End-to-End Computing Using Linux - Chris
Maresca, Senior Partner, Olliance Group, LLC
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--
Andy Stewart, Founder
Worcester Linux Users' Group
Worcester, MA USA
http://www.wlug.org
23 years, 4 months
RE: [Wlug] MP3 Player recommendations
by Keller, Tim
My $.02
I personally own a Sonic blue Rio Volt and really like it. I've never heard
of the iriver, but oh well.
Things I really like about the Rio Volt
1. 10 hours of music per CD (with 128bit mp3's).
2. doesn't use some weirdo proprietary storage device that they'll stop
manufacturing 6 months from now.
3. Can play regular CD's. This weighed heavily into getting a CD based
device. I'm not going to carry an mp3 player and a CD player. Invariably,
I go some where and someone's got a CD they want to listen to...
4. supports different bit depths on mp3's. My advisor got a cheaper CD
based mp3 player and it just assumes that everything's 128bit. His 96bit
hotel California mp3 sounds like "Alvin and the chipmunks do the eagles
greatest hits"
5. has a recessed switch to disable the controls on the unit. You don't
know how many sets of batteries I killed in my Sony Discman because I'd put
it in my backpack and the buttons would get pressed and it would play Ride
the lightning over and over.
6. The controls are good but a bit esoteric. I've got a CD with the
complete works of Pink Floyd on it, organized as "albums as subdirectories"
so its got ~156 songs. Until you understand the controls (or read the
instructions) finding a single song is a bit mind bending.
7. It has a 40 second cache so the battery life is pretty long.
Things I don't like about the Rio Volt:
1. The volume sucks on it. The ear bud headphones are just a complete
waste, unless your dumbo. You'll want a pair of headphones with their own
gain volume.
2. The battery cover opens easily, not really a big deal, but annoying.
3. Can't recharge batteries in the device. My old discman does this, why
couldn't these guys?
4. Those stupid dancing people and that spinning CD icon (which looks a lot
like the fan icon on the front of a Sun E1000 fibre array). I would have
ditched the people and made the text display larger so you could put more
info on it. (in the same vein I would have dumped the stupid fan icon and
put "FAN BROKE" but that's just me...:)
I'll bring my mp3 player with me to the next wlug meeting so anybody who
wants to check it out are welcome.
Tim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sands Fish [mailto:fishsands@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:46 AM
To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
Subject: Re: [Wlug] MP3 Player recommendations
A little more depth on the Sonicblue Rio Volt SP250:
This is the model I was going to (and still might)
purchase, kuz you can't be a cool dork w/out a
portable mp3 player. ;) When I dug a little deeper
into this model, I came across it's European
counter-part, the iRiver. It is, of course, a little
more expensive. Essentially, it's from the same
company who OEM's the RioVolt line, but the trick is,
they water down their products for the American
market. There are a few things that the iRiver has
that the RioVolt doesn't.
1.) LCD on the remote control. I don't know how much
this interests people, but it's a nice little feature.
Also, I believe those stupid dancing people that
everyone so widely hated do not appear on the iRiver.
2.) I've been told by people experienced in both
players that there are much more frequent firmware
revisions for the iRiver. Oh, and this is a good
place to mention that this is the feature that made me
wanna buy it. As patches/fixes/upgrades are made for
the player, you can d/l firmware upgrades, burn them
to a cd, and run them in the player. One thing that
really interested me is that, on the iRiver site
http://www.iriver.com/english/imp250.htm
they mention the potential implementation of the OGG
Vorbis format, which I'm a big fan of, (no royalties
threatened like MP3.) This is something I haven't
seen mentioned for the American version, but who
knows.
One other thing I should mention. You'll need a power
converter for this model. :)
If anyone does end up with this player, please post
your impressions on the list. I haven't completely
made up my mind yet whether I want to pay more.
Sincerely,
Cheapskate Sands Fish <x><
--- "Charles R . Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 03:00:26PM -0500, Andy
> Stewart wrote:
> andystewart> Christmas is coming, and I'm thinking
> about asking Santa for a portable
> andystewart> MP3 player. Of course, it needs to
> work with Linux.
>
> You to, eh?
>
> andystewart> Judging from the looks of the CDs which
> I've ripped into MP3 files, 32 MB
> andystewart> of memory looks like it might be a tad
> small for a single CD, while 64 MB
> andystewart> looks like it might do the trick for
> loading up around 2 CDs worth of
> andystewart> music. Is this a fair assessment?
> Since I use compact flash for my
> andystewart> digital camera, any MP3 player that
> uses this medium should probably get
> andystewart> extra consideration, I would think.
>
> Personally, I think the memory-based MP3 players are
> way too expensive for how
> many songs they can hold. I'd rather have a
> CD-ROM-based player, since a CD
> can hold about 10 hours of music. Also, you don't
> have to worry about
> Linux compatibility, since it will take any standard
> ISO9660 CD-ROM which you
> can burn from Linux just fine. The other type of
> players, based on hard drives,
> are also too expensive for my taste, and who needs
> to store 100's of hours of
> music on a portable device? The CD-MP3 players are
> the "just right"
> price/performance right now.
>
> The latest CD-MP3 players have come a long way since
> the Genica 1st generation
> units. By far the best ones I have found are these
> two, since they have
> excellent navigation capabilities, which you'll need
> to navigate the hundreds
> of songs on a CD:
>
> Sonicblue Rio Volt SP250
> TDK Mojo
>
> Check out their reviews on http://music.cnet.com/ .
> They both got Editor's Choice.
>
> --
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24 years, 3 months
Re: Replacing discord...
by Tim Keller
John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not
in the signal chat is a valid concern.
Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet
that hosted a private *something* for us.
I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the
"community" thing that in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels
like yelling into the ether instead of a conversation.
We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option?
Tim.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> What about Mattermost?
>
>
> *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real
> life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten
> through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to
> be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This
> perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is
> the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for
> no one."*- Souza
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's
>> only a problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space
>> and rooms are private, that attack vector closes.
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes:
>>
>> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being
>> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work.
>> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it
>> wouldn't be a problem?
>>
>> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these
>> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal
>> chats are shared widely as possible.
>>
>> And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>>
>> - instant messages (signal)
>> - email threads.
>>
>> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages
>> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need
>> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read
>> them.
>>
>> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it
>> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both
>> good and bad. LOL!
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
>> > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
>> > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
>> > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
>> > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
>> > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
>> > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
>> > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
>> > offerings.
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
>> >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
>> >> users behind.
>> >>
>> >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
>> >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
>> >>
>> >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
>> >> new.
>> >>
>> >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
>> >>
>> >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
>> >> well. In order of requirements I think:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - needs to be open
>> >> - WLUG needs to control the data
>> >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
>> >> - web based
>> >> - CLI / plain text based
>> >> - Apple/Android clients.
>> >> - searchable
>> >> - able to organize a bit into channels.
>> >> - announcements
>> >> - regular chat
>> >> - questions or howtos
>> >>
>> >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
>> >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
>> >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
>> >> laptop.
>> >>
>> >> So what do people think?
>> >>
>> >> John
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1 month, 2 weeks
Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG
by joshua.gage.stone＠gmail.com
Tim,
Thank you very much for creating a meetup.com group for us! The UX for
finding future meetups and adding meetup dates to a calender is quite
good. Finding WLUG should also be fairly easy now when searching for
"linux" within a 50 mile radius of Boston:
https://www.meetup.com/find/?allMeetups=false&keywords=linux&radius=50&user…
I've noticed that some search strings will show LUGs with overlapping
interests but not WLUG. I think adding more words like "FOSS",
"Android", "Libre", "Open Source", "Ubuntu", "Fedora", "OpenSUSE",
"Arch Linux", "Unix", etc, to the related topics and/or What We're
About section should improve this.
I've tried setting up a community over Slack but I think the steps need
to join was what made it too intrusive for new people -- take joining
the Rust language Slack server for example:
https://rust-slack.herokuapp.com/
- Send an invite link to your email- Register with a name and password-
Be greeted with prompts about whether to send notifications- Open the
#general channel
And this has to be repeated for joining every community that has their
own Slack server, or at least this has been my experience so far. I
think Slack has cemented itself as more of a means for teams to
collaborate on a project, not so much for casual users who want to jump
right into a new chat.
Matrix only needs to register a username and password (email is
optional) on the server you're on, and once that's done you can join
any number of channels on that server. This is much closer to the UX of
IRC, and it's still superior in some ways because there's no fiddling
with choosing a specific authentication method like SASL and/or
authenticating with nickserv
I think in general Matrix has more mindshare amongst Linux users as a
modern alternative to IRC, which I think is worth considering when
comparing frequency of posts on Reddit:
https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/search?q=matrix&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevanc…
-Josh
On Sat, 2020-01-11 at 22:59 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote:
> This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG:
> https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six
> months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like.
> The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial
> to the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a
> slack channel as well maybe.
>
> Tim.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
> > We also have an IRC channel:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.wlug.org/participate.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Internet Relay Chat
> >
> >
> >
> > Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel.
> >
> >
> >
> > Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net
> >
> > Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link:
> > irc://irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma.
> >
> > See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your
> > web browser
> >
> >
> >
> > but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hey all,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again
> > to
> >
> > > Tim for giving me a ride home!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve
> > general
> >
> > > activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts.
> > Hosting a
> >
> > > meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and
> >
> > > getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great
> > too.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a
> > text chat
> >
> > > format for users who want to communicate more easily over the
> > internet,
> >
> > > especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord
> >
> > > servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room
> > sizes
> >
> > > generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even
> > before
> >
> > > Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates,
> > etc.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve
> >
> > > participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here
> > because it
> >
> > > has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web (
> >
> > > https://matrix.org/clients/
> >
> > > - Persistent chat history
> >
> > > - Link previews
> >
> > > - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality (
> >
> > > https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/
> >
> > > - User moderation
> >
> > > - Server federation
> >
> > > - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely
> > FOSS
> >
> > > - File sharing
> >
> > > - Voice/video calls
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat
> > room
> >
> > > would look like:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Or you can join the room I made:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > #wlug:matrix.org
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Any thoughts?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -Josh
> >
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> >
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6 years, 2 months
Re: Replacing discord...
by John Stoffel
>>>>> "steve---" == steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:
> What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not
> take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to
> pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon?
I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too.
> On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
> John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not in the signal chat
> is a valid concern.
> Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet that hosted a
> private *something* for us.
> I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the "community" thing that
> in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling into the ether instead of a
> conversation.
> We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
> I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option?
> Tim.
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> What about Mattermost?
> "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was
> always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished
> business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these
> obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to
> happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time
> waits for no one."
> - Souza
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's only a
> problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space and rooms are
> private, that attack vector closes.
> -------- Original Message --------
> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes:
> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being
> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work.
> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it
> wouldn't be a problem?
> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these
> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal
> chats are shared widely as possible.
> And one of the choices I failed to list is:
> - instant messages (signal)
> - email threads.
> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages
> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need
> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read
> them.
> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it
> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both
> good and bad. LOL!
> John
>> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
>> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
>> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
>> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
>> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
>> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
>> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
>> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
>> offerings.
>> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
>>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
>>> users behind.
>>>
>>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
>>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
>>>
>>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
>>> new.
>>>
>>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
>>>
>>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
>>> well. In order of requirements I think:
>>>
>>>
>>> - needs to be open
>>> - WLUG needs to control the data
>>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
>>> - web based
>>> - CLI / plain text based
>>> - Apple/Android clients.
>>> - searchable
>>> - able to organize a bit into channels.
>>> - announcements
>>> - regular chat
>>> - questions or howtos
>>>
>>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
>>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
>>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
>>> laptop.
>>>
>>> So what do people think?
>>>
>>> John
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1 month, 2 weeks
Re: Uptime!
by Mike Peckar
md,
Here's where I saw the reference to Fortran V wrt Voyager's CSS...
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/news/voyager-mission-anniversary-computers…
From http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/fort04.htm....
IBM never defined a language called FORTRAN V, or provided a compiler for
it, but some of its competitors used the term for their extended versions
of FORTRAN. Univac and Data General are two companies that sold compilers
for a language which they called FORTRAN V.
In general, FORTRAN V compilers included the CHARACTER data type as a
standard feature of the language, and they added the ENCODE and DECODE
statements as well. These statements allowed a character variable to be
used instead of an input-output device as the source for a formatted read,
or the target of a formatted write, and they looked like this:
CHARACTER*80 BUFFER
...
ENCODE(80,11,BUFFER),X,Y,Z
...
DECODE(80,10,BUFFER),P,Q,R
...
STOP
10 FORMAT (3F12.5)
11 FORMAT (3F12.5)
END
Mike
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 6:20 PM Jon "maddog" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> I had not heard of Fortran 5 (or Fortran V) and a half-hearted search of
> the Internet did not find anything.
>
> Do you have any pointers to it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> md
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 18:09 Mike Peckar <mpeckar(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> According to the Guiness Book of World records, The computer system that
>> has been in continual operation for the longest period is the Computer
>> Command System (CCS) onboard NASA's *Voyager 2* spacecraft. This system
>> has been in continuous operation since the spacecraft's launch on 20 August
>> 1977. Voyager 1's CCS uptime trails it by a couple of weeks and both are
>> still going.
>>
>> Each Voyager has two CCSs, two Flight Data System (FDS) computers and two
>> Attitude and Articulation Control System (AACS) computers, but the FDS &
>> AACS do not operate continuously. The CCS's have two 18-bit word, interrupt
>> type processors with 4096 words each of non-volatile plated wire memory
>> amounting to 69.63 kilobytes. They execute about 81,000 instructions per
>> second and transmit data back to Earth at 160 bits per second. They were
>> originally programmed in Fortran 5.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:32 PM Jon "maddog" Hall <
>> jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> Believe it or not, both VMS and Digital Unix systems were the same way.
>>> They would go months and years without rebooting.
>>>
>>> The US Navy had two hospital ships, the "Mercy" and the "Hope". One
>>> stationed on the East Coast and one in San Diego. The one on the East
>>> Coast used WNT for the servers and the one in San Diego used GNU/Linux.
>>> The ship using WNT had to have twice as many servers as the one in San
>>> Diego because the Navy rules said that a WNT server HAD to be rebooted
>>> every 30 days, whereas there was no such requirement for GNU/Linux. Since
>>> a Naval deployment could last longer than 30 days, and since they needed
>>> the server services to be up constantly that whole time, they needed twice
>>> as many WNT servers.
>>>
>>> md
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mike Peckar via WLUG <
>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fun Story, Maddog. Around 20 yrs ago I was consulting for Bloomberg in
>>>> Skillman, NJ, a big Solaris shop. The HP app I was working with bellied up
>>>> with memory leaks and I suggested they reboot that server. I was told flat
>>>> out they don't reboot Solaris servers period. They cleaned up the mess and
>>>> isolated where in the HP code that the pointer was lost, leaving me the
>>>> not-so-fun task of filing the bug report with HP.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 7:39 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG <
>>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>
>>>>> What was the reason for shutting it down?
>>>>>
>>>>> This reminds me of a story from years ago where a young friend
>>>>> contacted me before a trip to the University of New Hampshire for a Linux
>>>>> LUG meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> He asked me if I would go to a particular dorm and knock on the door
>>>>> of what had been his door room. I was to ask if I could unplug the box
>>>>> that was in the corner of the closet in the room. The system had been
>>>>> running for five years in his former dorm room and he had forgotten the
>>>>> login password. He did not want the machine back, just wanted it
>>>>> unplugged.
>>>>>
>>>>> A young woman answered the door, heard my explanation and let me
>>>>> unplug the machine. "We were afraid to unplug it" she said.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your machine beat his machine on uptime.
>>>>>
>>>>> md
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 5:07 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <
>>>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime!
>>>>>> It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013!
>>>>>> Tim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their
>>>>>> constituents as "consumers".
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3 years, 11 months
Re: [Wlug] Enterprise Linux Forum - Special Offer for Linux User Groups
by Karl Hiramoto
I'll be there for the free stuff, but can't afford the spendy stuff.
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Andy Stewart wrote:
>
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
> On Dec. 3 and 4, 2002, the Enterprise Linux Forum will be held at the Boston
> Marriot (Copley Place) in Boston, MA. We have been offered a $200 discount
> for WLUG members who attend the event. If you want more information, read
> below that which was sent to me. If you wish to go and can't read the
> attachments, send me e-mail.
>
> Later,
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
>
> Subject: Enterprise Linux Forum - Special Offer for Linux User Groups
> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:27:15 -0500
> From: Juliet Sigmann <jsigmann(a)jupitermedia.com>
> To: andystewart(a)attbi.com
>
> Andy,
>
> I hope you do not think it too forward of me to send you this e-mail, but I
> came across Worcester Linux Users Group while researching Linux associations
> and user group sites. My company, Jupitermedia, has developed a conference
> that I believe will be of interest to you and other members of Worcester
> Linux Users Group . The name of the event is Enterprise Linux Forum
> Conference & Expo. For complete details on this event, visit
> http://www.enterpriselinuxforum.com
>
> I would like to offer Worcester Linux Users Group members a $200 discount to
> attend the Enterprise Linux Forum. Registrations processed by November 19th
> save an additional $100 off the regular conference price. The conference
> offers 1-Day, 2-Day, and Expo Pass (free) passes to the event.
>
> This e-mail is not a "sales call", but is a win-win business proposition.
> We are seeking to drive attendance at this first time (albeit world-class)
> event. We can offer you and other Worcester Linux Users Group members a
> world class event that touches on a number of subjects via 4 comprehensive
> tracks that I believe would be of interest to your group such as Linux in
> the Datacenter; Clustered and Distributed Computing; Operations, Management
> and Infrastructure; and Application, Storage and Information Management.
> Scroll below for the complete line-up of speakers and topics to be
> highlighted at this event.
>
> As the conference brochure (attached in PDF format) relates, this event is
> set to run December 3-4, 2002 at the Boston Marriott Copley Place in Boston,
> MA.
>
> Currently, the event is sponsored by Red Hat (Premier Sponsor), BMC
> Software, Computer Associates, Dell, Egenera, IBM, NeTraverse, Oracle, Sun
> Microsystems, SuSE Linux, Ximian, and more. Additional supporters of the
> event include: Illuminata (Premier Analyst Sponsor) and association sponsors
> Free Standards Group, GNOME Foundation, Linux International, and Open Source
> Development Lab. Media sponsors include, Capterra, HostingTech, IT Toolbox,
> Linux Journal, and OutsourcingCentral.com.
>
> Visit the event web site at www.enterpriselinuxforum.com for the most
> up-to-date listing of speakers, session descriptions, sponsors, and
> exhibitors.
>
> Again, I would like to offer Worcester Linux Users Group members a $200
> discount to attend the Enterprise Linux Forum. As you can see from the
> number and quality of sponsors and speakers, this is a first rate event.
>
> I have attached with this e-mail a fax back registration form with the $200
> discount as well as some copy that you could include in an email newsletter
> to you members or your web site. In order for your members to take
> advantage of this $200 discount, they will need to use the priority code
> assigned in the fax back form or attached copy.
>
> Please call me directly if you have any comments or questions.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Juliet Sigmann
> Marketing Manager
>
> Jupitermedia Corporation
> (formerly INT Media Group)
> 30 Lyman Street, Suite 8
> Westboro, MA 01581
> T: 508-870-5858 x119
> F: 508-870-6521
> eFax: 801-761-9698
> jsigmann(a)jupitermedia.com
> www.jupitermedia.com
>
> ****************************************************************************
> ***************
> Keynotes and Sessions
> Click on http://www.jupiterevents.com/elf/fall02/glance.html for the
> complete agenda
>
> Keynote 1: The Inevitable Linux Momentum - Matthew J. Szulik, Chairman, CEO
> and President, Red Hat
> Keynote 2: Linux in Prime Time: Open Source Meets Enterprise Requirements -
> Jonathan Eunice, President and Principal
> Analyst, Illuminata
> Keynote 3: IBM Enterprise Solutions for Linux - Steven C. Solazzo, General
> Manager, Linux, IBM
> Keynote 4: Unbreakable Linux - Rene Bonvanie, VP of Oracle9i Marketing,
> Oracle Corporation
>
> Session 1: The Changing Face of Linux - David Niemi, Director of Systems
> Engineering, Adeptech Systems, Inc.
> Session 2: Linux High Availability Cluster Selection - Tim Burke, Advanced
> Server Technical Project Leader, Red Hat
> Session 3: VPN Enterprise Implementation at Rochester Midland - Tony
> Karakashian, Network Manager, Rochester Midland
> Corporation
> Session 4: Linux as Embedded Operating System - Rob Lembree, Technical
> Director, Metro Link, Inc.
> Session 5: How Sitel Worldwide Runs Call Centers Utilizing Linux - Scott
> Clark, Director of Systems Engineering, Sitel Corporation
> Session 6: PANEL: Server Consolidation Strategies Using Linux - Moderator:
> Brian Proffitt, Managing Editor, LinuxToday.com
> Session 7: The Enterprise Linux Desktop: Addressing Corporate Needs - Nat
> Friedman, Co-founder and Vice President of Product
> Development, Ximian
> Session 8: Managing Linux on Datacenter Mainframe Systems - Alex deVries,
> Principal Solutions Architect, Linuxcare
> Session 9: The Future of Open Source Software in the Enterprise - Randy
> Terbush, Managing Partner, Tribal Knowledge Group
> Session 10: The Future of Datacenter Computing: How the Combination of
> Storage Area Networks and Processing Area Networks
> Solves Multiple Pain Points for Enterprise Datacenters
> Session 11: Apache: An Enterprise-Level Server - Daniel Lopez Ridruejo,
> Senior Developer, Instant802 Networks
> Session 12: The Virtual Environment - Where Does Linux Fit? - Dan
> Kusnetzky, Vice President, System Software Research, IDC
> Session 13: Enterprise-Ready Linux on the Mainframe: The Path to Success -
> Sam Greenblatt, SVP, Computer Associates
> Session 14: The Linux Factor: How Linux and Friends will Reshape
> Application by 2005 - Jasmine Noel, Founder and Principal,
> JNoel Associates
> Session 15: Rethinking the Linux Distribution: Linux as Platform, Not
> Product - Ian Murdock, Progeny
> Session 16: Linux Clusters and Open Source Software in the Life Sciences -
> Glenn Otero, Ph.D., Founder and Principal, Linux
> Prophet
> Session 17: The Linux Standard Base - Changing Everything You Think About
> Linux - Scott McNeil, Executive Director, Free
> Standards Group
> Session 18: Linux in Business: Answering Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt -
> Russell Pavlicek, Independent Consultant
> Session 19: PANEL: Integrating Linux Into the Enterprise - Moderator: Brian
> Proffitt, Managing Editor, LinuxToday.com
> Session 20: Open Source Development Lab Data Center Linux (DCL) for OLTP
> and DSS - Timothy Witham, Lab Director, Open
> Source Development Lab
> Session 21: Migrating C/C++ Applications from Unix to Linux - Shel Travis,
> Vice President of Research, MigraTEC
> Session 22: Web Services: The Killer Application for Open Source -
> Christian Gross, Software Engineering Consultant
> Session 23: Linux Database Clusters for High Performance Computing - Boris
> C. Bialek, Manager, DB2 Strategic Technologies,
> IBM Toronto Lab
> Session 24: High-Performance End-to-End Computing Using Linux - Chris
> Maresca, Senior Partner, Olliance Group, LLC
>
> ****************************************************************************
> ***************
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
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23 years, 4 months
Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 1
by Arturo Sedo
There is also another option.
If you have another computer you can burn a copy of knopix. Once you
create the cd, you insert it into the CDROM drive, boot from CDROM to a
nice KDE GUI and all partitions are automatically mounted. Click on the
partition that has the needed info and you are good to go. It may sound
complicated but Knopix has a really fine User Interface.
(If you don't have a CDROM you can do the same thing with Tomsrbtb from
a floppy)
Then when you want to create a boot disk you can open a command window,
mount the root partition and then do "chroot /mnt/rootPartition". From
there you can run lilo or mkbootdisk.
Good luck.
Arturo
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> 1. RedHat 7.1 boot floppy (Norm Legare)
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> 3. RE: RedHat 7.1 boot floppy (Moti Abramovich)
> 4. RE: RedHat 7.1 boot floppy (Adam Keck)
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:56:51 -0800 (PST)
> From: Norm Legare <normlegare(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy
> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
> Message-ID: <20040201205651.14333.qmail(a)web13425.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi All,
>
> My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By
> inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just
> stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk
> failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the
> Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy
> be made while preserving the existing Linux installation?
>
> Thanks,
> Norm
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:18:53 -0500 (EST)
> From: James Baldassari <jdb(a)WPI.EDU>
> Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy
> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402011615590.17100(a)ccc3.WPI.EDU>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Hi Norm. You can probably find a Red Hat boot disk image somewhere (just
> google it), and there are Windows utilities for writing images to
> floppies. I think one of them is called rwfloppy, which I can send to you
> if you can't find it. You will probably have to edit the boot disk once
> it's created so that it points to your linux drive. When you get your
> system back up and running I would recommend installing LILO so that you
> don't run into this problem again. The newer versions of Windows also
> have built-in support for booting multiple OSes.
> -James
>
> On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Norm Legare wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By
> > inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just
> > stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk
> > failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the
> > Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy
> > be made while preserving the existing Linux installation?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Norm
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 06:12:24 -0500
> From: "Moti Abramovich" <motia(a)comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy
> To: "'Worcester Linux Users Group'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
> Message-ID: <000701c3e97d$6fbfa400$0200a8c0@laptop1>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Norm.
> It depends what version of windows you have, but your best bet would be to
> set up your windows for "dual boot" so when you boot your system, a menu
> will come up and ask you which operating system you want to boot to -
> Windows or Linux.
> Moti
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On
> Behalf Of Norm Legare
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:57 PM
> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
> Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy
>
> Hi All,
>
> My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By
> inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just
> stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk
> failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the
> Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy
> be made while preserving the existing Linux installation?
>
> Thanks,
> Norm
>
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> Date: 02 Feb 2004 09:28:46 -0500
> From: Adam Keck <ghostis(a)mac.com>
> Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy
> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
> Cc: Adam Keck <ghostis(a)mac.com>
> Message-ID: <1075732127.4990.17.camel@alfred>
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> > inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just
> > stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk
> > failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the
> > Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy
> > be made while preserving the existing Linux installation?
>
> Norm,
> This is no big deal if you know what hardware you have. You will need
> a second linux machine to solve this so perhaps someone will agree to
> drop by the next meeting with a laptop.
>
> 1. Get a machine with mtools, superformat and syslinux installed and a
> kernel source tree.
> 2. Recompile a non-modular kernel with support for your hardware and
> filesystems and nothing else.
> 3. Insert a floppy and then run: superformat /dev/hd0
> 4. When that's done run: syslinux /dev/fd0
> 5. Mcopy the new kernel from /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot to the
> floppy: mcopy /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage a:\kernel.img
> 6. Open a text file called syslinux.cfg in your favorite editor.
> 7. Put the following in syslinux.cfg (with the appropriate value for
> your root parition filled in):
>
> DEFAULT LINUX
> LABEL LINUX
> KERNEL kernel.img
> APPEND root=/dev/{your root partition device here}
>
> 8. Save that file then mcopy it to the floppy: mcopy syslinux.cfg a:
> 9. Reboot your machine from the floppy.
>
> There are other ways to do this that may be more elegant. For example
> you may be able to so this on your machine by booting the rescue kernel
> with the first RedHat CD and then chrooting to your environment. This
> how I do it, though ;-).
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
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22 years, 1 month
Re: Replacing discord...
by Tim Keller
My plan is to start my own stable coin..
I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their
constituents as "consumers".
On Wed, Feb 11, 2026, 7:34 AM <steve(a)patternsoft.net> wrote:
> What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not take
> that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to pitch in? A
> maybe a WLUG patreon?
>
> On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're
> not in the signal chat is a valid concern.
>
> Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet
> that hosted a private *something* for us.
>
> I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the
> "community" thing that in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels
> like yelling into the ether instead of a conversation.
>
> We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
>
> I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option?
>
> Tim.
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What about Mattermost?
>>
>>
>> *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real
>> life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten
>> through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to
>> be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This
>> perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is
>> the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for
>> no one."*- Souza
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces.
>>> It's only a problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your
>>> space and rooms are private, that attack vector closes.
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being
>>> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work.
>>> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it
>>> wouldn't be a problem?
>>>
>>> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these
>>> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal
>>> chats are shared widely as possible.
>>>
>>> And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>>>
>>> - instant messages (signal)
>>> - email threads.
>>>
>>> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages
>>> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need
>>> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read
>>> them.
>>>
>>> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it
>>> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both
>>> good and bad. LOL!
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
>>> > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
>>> > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
>>> > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
>>> > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
>>> > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
>>> > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
>>> > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
>>> > offerings.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
>>> >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
>>> >> users behind.
>>> >>
>>> >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
>>> >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
>>> >>
>>> >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
>>> >> new.
>>> >>
>>> >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
>>> >>
>>> >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
>>> >> well. In order of requirements I think:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> - needs to be open
>>> >> - WLUG needs to control the data
>>> >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
>>> >> - web based
>>> >> - CLI / plain text based
>>> >> - Apple/Android clients.
>>> >> - searchable
>>> >> - able to organize a bit into channels.
>>> >> - announcements
>>> >> - regular chat
>>> >> - questions or howtos
>>> >>
>>> >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
>>> >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
>>> >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
>>> >> laptop.
>>> >>
>>> >> So what do people think?
>>> >>
>>> >> John
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1 month, 2 weeks
Re: Replacing discord...
by Joel
Curious.
What is WLUG talking about today hourly (to need comms via ICQ / stack / slack / discord / mattermost / whatever ) ?
Can I pour through a prior message log to decide my own level of interest in this extra comms?
Thank you,
Joel
Feb 12, 2026 2:11:34 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>:
>>>>>> …
>
>> What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not
>> take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to
>> pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon?
>
> I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too.
>
>
>> On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
>> John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not in the signal chat
>> is a valid concern.
>
>> Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet that hosted a
>> private *something* for us.
>
>> I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the "community" thing that
>> in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling into the ether instead of a
>> conversation.
>
>> We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow.
>
>> I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option?
>
>> Tim.
>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What about Mattermost?
>
>> "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was
>> always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished
>> business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these
>> obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to
>> happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time
>> waits for no one."
>> - Souza
>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
>> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's only a
>> problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space and rooms are
>> private, that attack vector closes.
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>>> …
>
>> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being
>> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work.
>> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it
>> wouldn't be a problem?
>
>> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these
>> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal
>> chats are shared widely as possible.
>
>> And one of the choices I failed to list is:
>
>> - instant messages (signal)
>> - email threads.
>
>> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages
>> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need
>> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read
>> them.
>
>> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it
>> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both
>> good and bad. LOL!
>
>> John
>
>>> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse
>>> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and
>>> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely
>>> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to
>>> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private
>>> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to
>>> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious
>>> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar
>>> offerings.
>
>>> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <
>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives
>>>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum
>>>> users behind.
>>>>
>>>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing
>>>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are.
>>>>
>>>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something
>>>> new.
>>>>
>>>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/
>>>>
>>>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as
>>>> well. In order of requirements I think:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - needs to be open
>>>> - WLUG needs to control the data
>>>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems.
>>>> - web based
>>>> - CLI / plain text based
>>>> - Apple/Android clients.
>>>> - searchable
>>>> - able to organize a bit into channels.
>>>> - announcements
>>>> - regular chat
>>>> - questions or howtos
>>>>
>>>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I
>>>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a
>>>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work
>>>> laptop.
>>>>
>>>> So what do people think?
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> _______________________________________________
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