Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG
by joshua.gage.stone＠gmail.com
I think IRC would've been a great choice about a decade ago, but it
seems to have fallen out of favor as newer chat services have been
added. It's less that IRC is old per se, rather virtually nothing has
been done to improve the UX. IRC has some very unique problems where
you have to actively configure something as simple as the port number
to connect with and whether to enable TLS while other services have
standardized on this long ago so users don't have to think about that.
I remember when IRC was very popular among the communities I frequented
years ago, but outside of FOSS projects many of these channels are now
dead because people have moved onto Discord, Matrix, Telegram, etc. I
think part of this can also be attributed to the advent of mobile, as
IRC clients are usually painful on a phone where you have to type
commands on a touchscreen. I also have found IRC to be blocked on some
networks, while Matrix served over HTTPS is very firewall-friendly.
As of 2020, there are still many features that're missing because IRC
essentially pushes implementation onto the client and/or need a bouncer
to get features you'd get for free in other services. You practically
need a personal cloud if you want to be able to have persistent chat
history and/or avoid flooding a channel with disconnect messages
especially if you're on a mobile device that can't maintain an active
connection at all times. You also need a bot if you want any kind of
features like link previews.
-Josh
On Fri, 2020-01-10 at 21:07 +0000, Anderson, Charles R via WLUG wrote:
> We also have an IRC channel:
>
> http://www.wlug.org/participate.html
>
> Internet Relay Chat
>
> Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel.
>
> Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net
> Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link:
> irc://irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma.
> See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your
> web browser
>
> but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore.
>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG
> wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again
> > to
> > Tim for giving me a ride home!
> >
> > Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve
> > general
> > activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts.
> > Hosting a
> > meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and
> > getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great
> > too.
> >
> > I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text
> > chat
> > format for users who want to communicate more easily over the
> > internet,
> > especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord
> > servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes
> > generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before
> > Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc.
> >
> > Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve
> > participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because
> > it
> > has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience:
> >
> > - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web (
> > https://matrix.org/clients/
> > - Persistent chat history
> > - Link previews
> > - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality (
> > https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/
> > - User moderation
> > - Server federation
> > - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely
> > FOSS
> > - File sharing
> > - Voice/video calls
> >
> >
> > I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room
> > would look like:
> >
> > https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png
> >
> > Or you can join the room I made:
> >
> > https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org
> >
> > Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already:
> >
> > #wlug:matrix.org
> >
> >
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> >
> > -Josh
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6 years, 1 month
RE: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show
by Keller, Tim
Well, I kind of took it on this tact. My wife really doesn't care about
linux, nor windows. When she sits down in front of the computer, she just
wants it to work as expected. Past that, she plays a few games, but mainly
it revolves around surfing the web, reading email, etc.
With that said, I think that the argument for linux has to be made on a
couple fronts.
Firstly, cost and freedom. Explain to people why linux is a better choice
than the perceived "free" copy of windows that came with their computer. I
think we should definitely explain the microsoft tax.
Second, security. Make it a point of explaining that linux is impervious to
the many worms and viruses that are running around the internet. Though we
should also caution people that a poorly configured linux box is just as bad
(if not worse) than an bare unpatched windows machine.
Past that, we should talk to the availability of software for linux.
Later,
Tim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:avedis@rcn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:38 PM
To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
Subject: Re: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show
Makes sense to me, Tim. Easy replacement is the selling point, and in
some ways it's been the stumbling block to my converting entirely to
linux. I still use Windows for a couple of tasks that either can't be
done in linux (yet) or I haven't figured them out in linux yet
(unsupported scanner).
Show people that they can do the things they need to do with a minimal
amount of effort and without having to pay microsoft, and there will be
plenty of converts. Most of the things that most people do with their
computers can now be done in linux without having to read a manual, and
people need to know that.
Greg
Keller, Tim wrote:
> Yury,
>
> You can count me in. I also know my way around a TV production studio.
>
> We had talked about doing an introduction to linux. As an aside to that I
> was thinking that possibly we could do a show on equivalent pieces of
> software on the linux side of things that could replace (perceived)
missing
> functionality. This would include stuff like Evolution, Mozilla, GnuCash,
> OpenOffice, mplayer, xmms, etc.
>
> What do people think?
>
> Thanks,
> Tim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yury I Vashugin [mailto:vashugins@juno.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:56 PM
> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
> Cc: wlug(a)wlug.org
> Subject: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show
>
>
> hi, everyone.
> since we talked about producing an educational show about linux and
> putting it 'in-the-air' at the last wlug meeting and i saw a very
> enthusiastic response so i've reserved the studio for oct.21(see below).
> there's a problem with a converter but i'm sure we can find a laptop with
> a video output.
> for the show we need two cameramen(anyone can do that; very simple duties
> and can be learned within 3-5 min), a show host and guests.
> please, bring any suggestions or/and recommendations. thanks.
> yury
>
> --------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Marc Serra <mserra(a)ci.shrewsbury.ma.us>
> To: 'Yury I Vashugin' <vashugins(a)juno.com>
> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:42:56 -0400
> Subject: RE: show
> Message-ID: <A7F72312FF5DB348BE2D037A6FE5F1C1407EC2@selpnt2>
>
> Yes.
>
> Does anybody in the group have access to a scan converter or can you use
> a
> computer with a video card output? Since we spoke about it, our last scan
> converter was put into service to be used on one of our channel's for our
> bulletin board. For you to use it, we would have to take a channel off
> the
> air. I know that a lot of laptops have video out.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yury I Vashugin [mailto:vashugins@juno.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:48 AM
> To: mserra(a)ci.shrewsbury.ma.us
> Subject: show
>
>
> marc,
> can i reserve the studio for half-an-hour show on tuesday, october 21 at
> 6:30 (actually it will not be a show; just a preliminary stuff- what
> light, what background, what settings we want for 'linux show', to try a
> scanner converter etc)?
> yury
>
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Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?
by Tim Keller
That is cool that pfSense can do wireguard!
On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 7:32 PM Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
wrote:
> What I do is have the wireguard clients be on a different subnet than my
> other hosts, all behind the firewall. Then, in pfsense I made wireguard an
> interface like any other, and that allows me to make firewall policies,
> such as letting wireguard clients only to my DNS servers on port 53, or my
> web servers on 443. Also, since each wireguard client has a static IP
> reserved, I can make my phone access more than my cloud server, since I
> trust the security of my phone a tad more (but only a tad).
>
> For routing, I have the config for the clients either as 0.0.0.0/0 to
> send all traffic over the tunnel, or my private networks only for the split
> tunnel, and let the firewall policy handle it from there.
>
> So, you could certainly make it so that your VPS connects to your
> wireguard endpoint, and then send your backup traffic to it's client IP if
> you are going outbound to the VPS, and block the VPS from your internal
> network, or vice versa just open up the port you need to the host you need
> from the VPS to internal.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 12:42, John Stoffel wrote:
> >>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:
> >
> >> I run it on my pfSense firewall, but pivpn is also a great option if
> >> you'd rather port forward to a different device.
> >
> > Do you have it so that if you have multiple internal devices behind
> > your firewall, your external client can reach all those devices?
> >
> > I'ev been playing, but I'm sure I'm mssing something. For example:
> >
> > Internal network: 192.168.1.0/24
> > host A 192.168.1.10/32
> > host B 192.168.1.20/32
> >
> > Firewall: 192.168.1.254
> > WG: 192.168.200.0/24
> >
> > Client: 200.150.100.50 (made up)
> >
> >
> > Ideally I'd like my client to be able to access host A or B from the
> > road using the WG tunnel. Would I need to assign WG addresses to
> > these hosts? Or would I just rounte 192.168.1.0/24 via wg0 on the
> > client?
> >
> > That's the trouble I'm having.
> >
> > I also want to setup a Wireguard tunnel between home and my VPS in the
> > cloud to make backups easier and simple. I could just do an SSH
> > tunnel, but I'd prefer not since it's a pain for this one application
> > to setup.
> >
> > So my VPS has both it's public IP, and then I have a WireGuard IP and
> > route setup so that I can reach into the home network. And possibly
> > also allow connections to the VPS from other clients as well. Very
> > mesh like.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, at 16:30, John Stoffel wrote:
> >>>>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:
> >>>
> >>> I've been busy, so I'm coming back to this late...
> >>>
> >>>> I use a wireguard VPN on my phone anytime I leave my house, mainly
> >>>> for ad blocking. I run pi-hole at home to block ads network wide,
> >>>> and when I leave wifi, my phone automatically joins the VPN at home
> >>>> and uses the same pi-hole servers for DNS. Internet traffic is still
> >>>> directly through my carrier (so split tunnel) but my DNS is hidden
> >>>> from them and ad free!
> >>>
> >>> Do you run wireguard on your firewall or do you pass it inside into a
> >>> base host?
> >>>
> >>>> -thea
> >>>
> >>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, at 03:54, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service
> country's laws and
> >>>> policies.
> >>>>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'.
> >>>> This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure
> ISP/VPN service.
> >>>> "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?"
> >>>> md
> >>>
> >>>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <
> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still
> rely
> >>>> on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and
> policies.
> >>>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'.
> >>>
> >>>> On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience
> >>>>> when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to,
> >>>>> the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve
> >>>>> that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there
> is
> >>>>> a difference between a poor native and a rich American.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bob
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG
> wrote:
> >>>>>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're
> selling,
> >>>>>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone.
> (educate
> >>>>>> me!)
> >>>>>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win.
> >>>>>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this
> month,
> >>>>>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug
> >>>>>> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a
> couple:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a
> >>>>>> different geographical area. This can help you bypass
> >>>>>> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs
> >>>>>> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live
> >>>>>> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you
> >>>>>> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you
> >>>>>> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute
> >>>>>> accomodations while you are away on vacation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your
> browsing
> >>>>>> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could
> >>>>>> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits
> >>>>>> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not
> >>>>>> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of
> >>>>>> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright
> >>>>>> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly
> >>>>>> governments.)
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Re: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show
by Yury I Vashugin
matthew,
if we're doing it i'll give you a ride.....
yury
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:05:43 -0400 Matthew Kwiatkowski <mskwik(a)WPI.EDU>
writes:
> I think this sounds like it's turning into an interesting idea. I
> would
> be willing to help out as a cameraman or something behind the
> scenes,
> and I do have a laptop with video out, but I would need a ride from
> campus to the studio. I will also be home on break the week of the
> 21st, so I can't make that night.
>
> -Matthew Kwiatkowski
>
> On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 13:39, Yury I Vashugin wrote:
> > tim,
> > it seems like we don't have enough people to run the show. maybe
> > different date and time would be more appropriate for
> people(depending,
> > of course, on the studio availability)...
> > first, we need people to produce the show. it's a commitment of
> half an
> > hour ones? a month.(could be ones in two months) is there anyone
> who
> > would like to join the venture?
> > second, we need a qualified show host who will lead the show and
> > interview guests. i'm a new to linux and i would not dare to
> discuss it
> > with my expertize.
> > third, there is little problem with scan converter which can be
> replaced
> > by a notebook with a video output.
> > a tape of the show will be available immediately after the show
> and can
> > be broadcast on any channel(depending on the amount of money,
> sponsorship
> > etc; public access channels are free). also it's a good learning
> tool
> > which can be multiplied and offered to the public. i still
> remember a
> > hot discussion on wlug about introducing linux in public schools.
> i was
> > astonished to see how college students buy c compilers for windows
> to do
> > their homework for unix/c class. isn't it something?
> > they know about linux but, o boy, they're scared of it!!!(wow,
> wow- i'm
> > not talking about wpi students)
> > good point was brought by goug. we need to know what audience we
> are
> > going to target and where. if we start the show with linux
> introduction
> > and discuss the difference between linux and commonly used
> operating
> > systems, to get people intrigued, and continuously refer people to
> 'that
> > show' then they'll know the connection, how to obtain previous
> > educational tapes etc.
> > yury
> > ps keep forgeting to indicate the studio location- shewsbury
> media
> > connection, parker rd.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:40:51 -0400 Andy Stewart
> <andystewart(a)comcast.net>
> > writes:
> > > On Tuesday 14 October 2003 12:55 pm, Yury I Vashugin wrote:
> > > > hi, everyone.
> > > > since we talked about producing an educational show about
> linux
> > > and
> > > > putting it 'in-the-air' at the last wlug meeting and i saw a
> very
> > > > enthusiastic response so i've reserved the studio for
> oct.21(see
> > > below).
> > > > there's a problem with a converter but i'm sure we can find a
>
> > > laptop with
> > > > a video output.
> > >
> > > HI everybody,
> > >
> > > I'm still quite enthusiastic about this opportunity, but
> > > unfortunately I
> > > cannot make it on October 21st (Tuesday is generally a bad night
> for
> > > me). I
> > > will be looking forward to reading the e-mails from people who
> do
> > > make it on
> > > that date.
> > >
> > > Please keep us posted!
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andy Stewart, Founder
> > > Worcester Linux Users' Group
> > > Worcester, MA USA
> > > http://www.wlug.org
> > >
> > >
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Re: Uptime!
by Mike Peckar
According to the Guiness Book of World records, The computer system that
has been in continual operation for the longest period is the Computer
Command System (CCS) onboard NASA's *Voyager 2* spacecraft. This system has
been in continuous operation since the spacecraft's launch on 20 August
1977. Voyager 1's CCS uptime trails it by a couple of weeks and both are
still going.
Each Voyager has two CCSs, two Flight Data System (FDS) computers and two
Attitude and Articulation Control System (AACS) computers, but the FDS &
AACS do not operate continuously. The CCS's have two 18-bit word, interrupt
type processors with 4096 words each of non-volatile plated wire memory
amounting to 69.63 kilobytes. They execute about 81,000 instructions per
second and transmit data back to Earth at 160 bits per second. They were
originally programmed in Fortran 5.
Mike
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:32 PM Jon "maddog" Hall <
jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Believe it or not, both VMS and Digital Unix systems were the same way.
> They would go months and years without rebooting.
>
> The US Navy had two hospital ships, the "Mercy" and the "Hope". One
> stationed on the East Coast and one in San Diego. The one on the East
> Coast used WNT for the servers and the one in San Diego used GNU/Linux.
> The ship using WNT had to have twice as many servers as the one in San
> Diego because the Navy rules said that a WNT server HAD to be rebooted
> every 30 days, whereas there was no such requirement for GNU/Linux. Since
> a Naval deployment could last longer than 30 days, and since they needed
> the server services to be up constantly that whole time, they needed twice
> as many WNT servers.
>
> md
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mike Peckar via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Fun Story, Maddog. Around 20 yrs ago I was consulting for Bloomberg in
>> Skillman, NJ, a big Solaris shop. The HP app I was working with bellied up
>> with memory leaks and I suggested they reboot that server. I was told flat
>> out they don't reboot Solaris servers period. They cleaned up the mess and
>> isolated where in the HP code that the pointer was lost, leaving me the
>> not-so-fun task of filing the bug report with HP.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 7:39 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG <
>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Tim,
>>>
>>> What was the reason for shutting it down?
>>>
>>> This reminds me of a story from years ago where a young friend contacted
>>> me before a trip to the University of New Hampshire for a Linux LUG meeting.
>>>
>>> He asked me if I would go to a particular dorm and knock on the door of
>>> what had been his door room. I was to ask if I could unplug the box that
>>> was in the corner of the closet in the room. The system had been running
>>> for five years in his former dorm room and he had forgotten the login
>>> password. He did not want the machine back, just wanted it unplugged.
>>>
>>> A young woman answered the door, heard my explanation and let me unplug
>>> the machine. "We were afraid to unplug it" she said.
>>>
>>> Your machine beat his machine on uptime.
>>>
>>> md
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 5:07 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime!
>>>> It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013!
>>>> Tim.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their
>>>> constituents as "consumers".
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3 years, 9 months
RE: Wlug Digest, Vol 19, Issue 9 - 21" monitors
by albutler33＠netscape.net
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>Subject: Re: [Wlug] glut of 21" monitors
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:21:19 -0400
>From: Frank Moody <fmoody-ug-wlug(a)moodman.org>
>To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
>
>On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 04:19:04PM -0400, Doug Mildram wrote:
>> doug> This may not have any appeal but :
>>
>> My Westborough MA office needs to give away quite a few (dozen or more) of
>>
>> 21" NEC Accusync 1999-2000 vintage
>> or
>> 21" ViewSonic G810 1997-1998 vintage
>>
>> Free and Good. (The Not-So-Good ones, I'll dispose of elsewhere.
>> I won't dump fuzzy, burned-in, or bad ones into your hands. )
>>
Frank,
Please reserve one of the good ones (free as in free beer) for me.I would like to pick it up before 12 noon tomorrow (Thursday 5-19) if I could.Otherwise I might not be able to come until Friday.Please tell me where in Westborough your company is located.
Al Butler
albutler33(a)netscape.net
>> ====================
>>
>> One final "gem" : There's a Frank ???? on this wlug list
>> who I recall had a toshiba portege laptop:
>> Sorry I never snagged your full name/addr!
>> Need another Portege 71xx DVD/enet dock station?
>>
>> ================================================================
>> Doug Mildram Mindspeed Technologies
><SNIP>
>
> I think I'm the Frank with the portege (actually have two, 7200CTe
>and a 7220CTe). Sure, I'll take the docking station, just let me know what
>the part number is so I can confirm it is the right one.
>
> I'd also like a few of the 21"s, preferrably the G810s and matched
>sets of two. I'd be interested in anywhere from one up to a half dozen of
>them... Dual monitor setups are usually hard to upgrade on a limited
>budget. *chuckle*
>
> Double luck since it looks like the Worcester Co-op will take donations
> of whatever monitors get replaced...
>
> Now I just need to double check that the desk will take the new weight...
>
>Frank Moody
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Subject: [Wlug] Share a Ride from Leominster?
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:43:46 -0400
>From: Frank Moody <fmoody-ug-wlug(a)moodman.org>
>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
>
> Anybody mind lending me a lift to the WLUG meeting Thursday from
>Leominster?
>
>Frank
>(Who is loving the situation of sorting out a registration paperwork error in
>California from the other side of the country...)
>
>
>Subject: [Wlug] Re: glut of 21" monitors
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:15:55 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Norm Legare <normlegare(a)yahoo.com>
>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
>
>When and where can these be looked at? I'd be interested in a couple.
>
>Norm
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:19:04 -0400
>> From: Doug Mildram <doug.mildram(a)mindspeed.com>
>> Subject: [Wlug] glut of 21" monitors
>> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
>> Message-ID: <20050517201904.GA15175(a)dogbert.westboro.mindspeed.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> doug> This may not have any appeal but :
>>
>> My Westborough MA office needs to give away quite a few (dozen or
>> more) of
>>
>> 21" NEC Accusync 1999-2000 vintage
>> or
>> 21" ViewSonic G810 1997-1998 vintage
>>
>> Free and Good. (The Not-So-Good ones, I'll dispose of elsewhere.
>> I won't dump fuzzy, burned-in, or bad ones into your
>> hands. )
>>
>> ====================
>>
>> One final "gem" : There's a Frank ???? on this wlug list
>> who I recall had a toshiba portege laptop:
>> Sorry I never snagged your full name/addr!
>> Need another Portege 71xx DVD/enet dock station?
>>
>> ================================================================
>> Doug Mildram Mindspeed Technologies
>> 8 Technology Drive ( near EMC, 495 and route 9 )
>> Westborough, MA 01581
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>Subject: [Wlug] Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 19, Issue 8
>Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:51:23 -0400
>From: joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com>
>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org
>
>I would also like to get two of the 21" monitors if they are still left.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Joel Desrochers
>
>
>
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20 years, 8 months
Re: [Wlug] (no subject)
by John Stoffel
Tim> Here's my .02 cents on building a machine.
I'm going to chime in here as well with my thoughts on system building
options.
0. Motherboard.
- integrated vs discrete graphics.
This is a toughie. For a home server, I'd go integrated. Heck,
I'd try to get something with a serial console so I could manage it
without a KVM, since ideally the system will be headless most of
the time and just serving data, etc.
- PS/2 mouse/keyboard ports or all USB? Depends on what you have
and whether you're replacing it all or using existing stuff.
- PCIe slots.
- unless you game, don't bother with lots of x16 slots, maybe
two, but get as many slots as you can. If you have legacy PCI
cards you want to use, that's another factor.
Think long term expandability. Remember that PCIe x1 cards will
fit in x4,8,16 slots, they just won't get the performance
advantage. Doesn't go the other way though.
- SATA ports on board. I'd get a bunch if I can, since if you
ever load up the system with lots of drives, you want to put off
the day you need a PCIe SATA board. This is why I like x4 or x8
slots for the future.
0b. Network
Gigabit by default. Upgrade your home switch too. If you can,
get dual Gig ports, but don't sweat it too much otherwise.
- skip wireless for a desktop, unless you absolutely need to put
it somehwere with only power access. Then get an 802.11n card for
the system and upgrade your Access Point (AP) as well.
Tim> 1. Memory. You can never have too much of it. I'd say try to
Tim> get a board that'll do 8GB with the expectation you'll be there
Tim> at some point.
Absolutely. Spending more on memory is a better idea than more on a
slightly faster CPU. Don't sweat DDR2 vs DDR3 at this time unless
you're seriously number crunching.
Tim> 2. CPU: go duel at a minimum. If you could swing a quad I'd say
Tim> go for it.
Dual. Sorry, being pedantic. But I agree. I also lean heavily
towards AMD because I like that they've been doing documentation drops
on their GPUs, and because I want CPU vendor competition, not just one
vendor.
But as a suggestion, graph CPU speed vs $$$ for a family of systems
and look for the sweet spot, which is where the price goes up sharply
for just a small gain in speed.
Do the same for the number of cores, and put them on the same graph.
Think about cache, etc.
Right now, the Triple Core AMD X2s looks nice. For a set amount of
$$$, I'd personally go with more cores vs higher speed.
Also, NEVER overclock. It's just not worth it. Yeah, it makes you
feel studly, but esp for a home server, you want stability and low
power draw, since it will be on all the time.
Oh yeah, think about power disappation. Try to get the lowest wattage
parts you can. Another reason why more cores, slower clock freq and
lower thermals can be a win.
Again, think about whether you really need to spend $100 more to get
200 Mhz of speed. Think how much memory you could buy instead! Or
disk space.
Tim> 3. Video card: Get something that will do HDMI and is capable of
Tim> duel head. I've got a Nvidia GeForce 8400 GS with 512MB of video
Tim> memory and it cost me a whopping 40 dollars!
The thing to think about is whether you go Dual HDMI, or one VGA and
one HDMI. Or do you get Dual HDMI and an HDMI->VGA adaptor.
One slot or two? Fanless or big honking fan? If you're not playing
games, getting a video card which will have good opensource support is
my metric. Go AMD.
Also, quiet is nice.
Tim> 4. Harddrives: If your going to spring for 1, go ahead and buy
Tim> two and then mirror them. Mirrored drives have now saved my ass
Tim> on three occasions.
Hear hear! It's almost tempting to get an USB thumbdrive to boot
from, and the two disks are just a mirror MD RAID setup, with LVM on
top.
Around $100/per drive is a sweet spot, you can get two 1Tb drives
mirrored. Nice.
Tim> 5. Case: Honestly I like cases that don't resemble a disco under
Tim> my desk. I'm also fond of 120mm case fans. They move a shit
Tim> load of air and are quiet.
I've gotten and been really happy with the CoolerMaster Centurion 5
all black case without any windows. Lots of bays, nice clean design,
plenty of IO ports up front to use with USB/Firewire.
Tim> Power Supply: I wouldn't go smaller than a 350W. If you ever
Tim> decide to suddenly add two more drives or a burner, nothing sucks
Tim> more than your power supply being the weak link.
Go with a quiet and energy efficient one if you can.
Tim> 6. OS: Do it yourself. I'm not sure if Ubuntu will let you
Tim> mirror drives at install, I know the Red Hat family of distros
Tim> will. Doing your own install will at least give you an explicit
Tim> understanding of what packages you've installed. Heck we could
Tim> probably make a meeting out of helping you install and tweak your
Tim> machine!
Absolutely. Have fun with the system.
John
16 years, 5 months
Meey
by kpoisant＠gmail.com
Its thursday night any one interested in grabbing a drink or meeting up?
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> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:46:06 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [Wlug] web hosting?
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> Just curious, why do you want it to be local? If it's a random host
> out on the Internet, locality probably doesn't matter much unless
> latency is an issue for you.
>
> And what do you mean by local? Are you limiting to just Worcester
> area, or Eastern MA, or New England, or Eastern US, or ...? ;)
>
> You can get a VPS pretty cheap, I seem to recall prices of ~$35/month
> for a small instance in NYC w/ 100-200G/month transfer.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu>
> wrote:
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for a cheap, relatively
>> Apache/MySQL/PHP web and POP/IMAP email host? Preferably someplace
>> local. It
>> doesn?t have to be too powerful. A few gigabytes of storage space
>> and max
>> bandwidth in the range of tens of gigabytes per month.
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:14:31 -0500
> From: Andre Lehovich <Andre.Lehovich(a)gmx.com>
> Subject: [Wlug] [SPF:fail] Re: web hosting?
> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
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>> You can get a VPS pretty cheap, I seem to recall prices of ~$35/month
>> for a small instance in NYC w/ 100-200G/month transfer.
>
> Linode.com is $20/month for Xen VPS w/ good specs. They get rave
> reviews, though I've never used their service.
>
> I've seen posts on lowendbox.com mentioning VPS deals as low as $3/
> month.
>
> I'm currently using pairlite.com for shared hosting (FreeBSD). So far
> no problems. I'm considering switching to nearlyfreespeech.net,
> because
> their metered pricing looks to be cheaper for my usage.
>
> --Andre
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:32:47 -0500
> From: "Nick Nassar" <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Wlug] web hosting?
> To: "'Worcester Linux Users Group'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>
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> By "local" I guess I really mean small enough that I can get a real
> person if there's an issue, even if it's email support only. I've
> had bad luck with large web hosts like Dreamhost and 1and1 in the
> past. Most of the time they're excellent, but when there is an issue
> tech support is unresponsive and it takes days to get it resolved.
> It's been a few years since I've shopped around, and maybe that's
> not as much of an issue anymore.
>
> I'm leaning towards a hosted solution, rather than VPS. Someone else
> can worry about keeping up to date with security updates for Linux
> and Apache.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Theo Van Dinter
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:46 AM
> To: Worcester Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Wlug] web hosting?
>
> Just curious, why do you want it to be local? If it's a random host
> out on the Internet, locality probably doesn't matter much unless
> latency is an issue for you.
>
> And what do you mean by local? Are you limiting to just Worcester
> area, or Eastern MA, or New England, or Eastern US, or ...? ;)
>
> You can get a VPS pretty cheap, I seem to recall prices of ~$35/month
> for a small instance in NYC w/ 100-200G/month transfer.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu>
> wrote:
>> Does anyone have any recommendations for a cheap, relatively
>> Apache/MySQL/PHP web and POP/IMAP email host? Preferably someplace
>> local. It
>> doesn?t have to be too powerful. A few gigabytes of storage space
>> and max
>> bandwidth in the range of tens of gigabytes per month.
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16 years, 2 months
Re: [Wlug] upgrading suse 7.2 to 8.1
by Gregory Avedissian
Doug,
Thanks for the info and the link. As it turns out, the personal version
is missing about 120 packages out of what I have installed. I recognized
about 30 of them, and the download time is prohibitive. I need to get
the pro version on cd.
Meanwhile, I really wanted to know if XFree 4.x would work with my card,
so I took a spare hard drive and installed debian woody. I installed
xfree 4.1 and had to add the 3DLabs driver from xf3.3.6. Apparentlly,
there's software to make driver work with the new version, and it works
well. I no longer get little squares and dashes instead of letters on
some programs. Makes it much easier to figure out which buttons to click
when you can read the words.
I'd tried debian a couple months ago and was unhappy with the
installation process. Someone on this list suggested installing just the
base system and then using apt-get to install the other packages I
wanted. That seems to work out very well with almost everything (not ALSA).
The other reason I wanted to upgrade was to be able to run a newer
version of mozilla with junk mail controls. I'm using 1.4, and the junk
filters work pretty well. In fact, they work so well that I haven't
wanted to boot suse to get my mail. That's part of the reason it's taken
me so long to get back to you on this.
Thanks again,
Greg
doug waud wrote:
> Hi
>
> Gregory Avedissian wrote:
>
>> I'm getting ready to upgrade from SuSE 7.2 to 8.1, and I have a little
>> confusion and some questions.
>>
>> I'm going from 7.2 pro edition to 8.1 personal edition. Any ideas
>> what's missing in the personal edition?
>
>
> Up to version 7 SuSE used to list this comparison right on the box. Your
> old 7.2 box should give a reasonably good idea of what the general
> differnces are. The URL will give the same for 9
> http://www.suse.de/en/private/products/suse_linux/i386/packages.html
> I could not find the equivalent for 8.x :-(
>
>> Attempting to replace what is installed, I get a list of conflicts,
>> with advice to delete the old program, even if they don't have a
>> replacement. I was surprised to see that balsa and gftp were listed
>> as not having newer versions. Is this because they're not on the
>> personal edition? I know they exist, because they're available at rpmfind
>
>
> I am running 8.2 on this notebook I am writing on now and locate comes
> up with both balsa and gftp (under Yast as uninstalled) so I suspect
> they are just not on the personal edition. Also the 9.0 URL above
> explicitly lists both in the professional and neither in the personal
> edition.
>
>> The real issue -
>> XFree 4.x doesn't seem to want to recognize my ELSA GLoria-L video
>> card. Sax2 will run in 640x480 only, and I can't get it to run with
>> the glint driver (the one that's supposed to work with this card). I
>> tried doing this with the SuSE 8.2 evaluation disk, and I'm running
>> into the same problems I had when I tried to upgrade to XFree 4.1
>> about a month ago.
>>
>> So here's the question -
>> Can I upgrade to 8.1 without upgrading XFree? Better yet, if I upgrade
>> the XFree, and it doesn't work, is there an easy way to return to the
>> older version by using the CD's. Or do I have to manually back up
>> /usr/X11R6 and /etc/X11 first, and then recopy them to get back to the
>> older version? Will the rest of the SuSE 8.1 be pissed off about
>> using XFree 3.3.6?
>
>
> I am "underwhelmed" by Sax2's ability to get XFree right. I have just
> been upgrading my desktop to SuSE 8.2 and the screen was all screwed up.
> I finally went into /etc/X11/XF86Config and found that it seemed to
> think my 1Meg video memory (I'm the last of the big time spenders!} was
> 8 Meg.
> I just put a VideoRam 1024 in the Device section, dd'd a couple of
> 1280x1024 modes, defaulted to 8bit color depth, and X then ran fine.
>
> I believe you always have the choice of running either 4.x or 3.x but
> confess I forget how you tell the beast which one to use. :-). I would
> be very suprised if you could not get 4.x to work, but if that really
> turns out to be the case, let me know and I'll root around and see if I
> can recall the trick for forcing ti to use 3.x.
>
>> I suppose I could change the vid card, but I'd rather not spend any
>> money,
>
>
> That's my sort of guy!
>
>> and since this one is listed as working, I'd like to be able to get it
>> to work.
>
>
> And, as indicated above, you should be able to.
>
> doug
>
> PS The WLUG meeting tonight is a good place to get help from real
> experts, for example, Andy Whatshisname, and others more knowledgable
> than I.
>
>
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22 years, 2 months
Re: Uptime!
by Jon "maddog" Hall
I had not heard of Fortran 5 (or Fortran V) and a half-hearted search of
the Internet did not find anything.
Do you have any pointers to it?
Thanks,
md
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 18:09 Mike Peckar <mpeckar(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> According to the Guiness Book of World records, The computer system that
> has been in continual operation for the longest period is the Computer
> Command System (CCS) onboard NASA's *Voyager 2* spacecraft. This system
> has been in continuous operation since the spacecraft's launch on 20 August
> 1977. Voyager 1's CCS uptime trails it by a couple of weeks and both are
> still going.
>
> Each Voyager has two CCSs, two Flight Data System (FDS) computers and two
> Attitude and Articulation Control System (AACS) computers, but the FDS &
> AACS do not operate continuously. The CCS's have two 18-bit word, interrupt
> type processors with 4096 words each of non-volatile plated wire memory
> amounting to 69.63 kilobytes. They execute about 81,000 instructions per
> second and transmit data back to Earth at 160 bits per second. They were
> originally programmed in Fortran 5.
>
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:32 PM Jon "maddog" Hall <
> jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Believe it or not, both VMS and Digital Unix systems were the same way.
>> They would go months and years without rebooting.
>>
>> The US Navy had two hospital ships, the "Mercy" and the "Hope". One
>> stationed on the East Coast and one in San Diego. The one on the East
>> Coast used WNT for the servers and the one in San Diego used GNU/Linux.
>> The ship using WNT had to have twice as many servers as the one in San
>> Diego because the Navy rules said that a WNT server HAD to be rebooted
>> every 30 days, whereas there was no such requirement for GNU/Linux. Since
>> a Naval deployment could last longer than 30 days, and since they needed
>> the server services to be up constantly that whole time, they needed twice
>> as many WNT servers.
>>
>> md
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mike Peckar via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Fun Story, Maddog. Around 20 yrs ago I was consulting for Bloomberg in
>>> Skillman, NJ, a big Solaris shop. The HP app I was working with bellied up
>>> with memory leaks and I suggested they reboot that server. I was told flat
>>> out they don't reboot Solaris servers period. They cleaned up the mess and
>>> isolated where in the HP code that the pointer was lost, leaving me the
>>> not-so-fun task of filing the bug report with HP.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 7:39 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG <
>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim,
>>>>
>>>> What was the reason for shutting it down?
>>>>
>>>> This reminds me of a story from years ago where a young friend
>>>> contacted me before a trip to the University of New Hampshire for a Linux
>>>> LUG meeting.
>>>>
>>>> He asked me if I would go to a particular dorm and knock on the door of
>>>> what had been his door room. I was to ask if I could unplug the box that
>>>> was in the corner of the closet in the room. The system had been running
>>>> for five years in his former dorm room and he had forgotten the login
>>>> password. He did not want the machine back, just wanted it unplugged.
>>>>
>>>> A young woman answered the door, heard my explanation and let me unplug
>>>> the machine. "We were afraid to unplug it" she said.
>>>>
>>>> Your machine beat his machine on uptime.
>>>>
>>>> md
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 5:07 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <
>>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime!
>>>>> It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013!
>>>>> Tim.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their
>>>>> constituents as "consumers".
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