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USENIX 2009 Annual Technical Conference - Top 5 Reasons to Attend

by Lionel Garth Jones

USENIX '09 offers a cost-effective, one-stop shop for the latest in IT training, breakthroughs, and systems research. Check out the top 5 reasons to join us in San Diego, CA, June 14-19, 2009: 1. Training that keeps you ahead of the game: The 6-day training program at USENIX '09 provides in-depth and immediately useful training on the latest techniques, effective tools, and best strategies to help you stay competitive. Take a full series or individual classes covering: -- Solaris: Debugging, administration, and DTrace taught by James Mauro, Peter Baer Galvin, and Marc Staveley -- Virtualization: Xen Hypervisor, VMware ESX 3i, and security taught by Phil Cox, Wenjin Hu, Zach Shepherd, and Dan Anderson -- Plus classes on cloud computing by Milind Bhandarkar, system administration by David N. Blank-Edelman, and more To view the entire training program, see http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/training 2. Invited Talks that feature luminaries in computing discussing timely and important topics, such as: -- Keynote Address, "Where Does the Power Go in High-Scale Data Centers?" by James Hamilton, VP & Distinguished Engineer, Amazon Web Services -- Closing Plenary Session by David Brin, Hugo Award-winning author, on "Third Millennium Problem-Solving: Can New Visualization and Collaboration Tools Make a Difference?" -- Diomidis Spinellis, Athens University of Economics and Business, on "The Antikythera Mechanism: Hacking with Gears" -- And more! http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/tech 3. You'll see it here first: -- The latest developments in cutting-edge systems research in the Refereed Papers track: http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/tech -- An introduction to interesting new and ongoing work at the Poster Session: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/activities.html#poster 4. The chance to mingle with industry leaders and hiring managers: -- Evening events such as the Birds-of-a-Feather (BoF) sessions offer additional opportunities to network with peers to gain that all-important "insider" IT knowledge: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/bofs.html 5. The opportunity to create your own conference: Whether your focus is system administration, security, virtualization, coding, open source,networking, cloud computing, Solaris, or a bit of them all, USENIX '09 has the information you're looking for. Follow the icons listed here to create the conference that meets your needs: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/themes/ And that's just the beginning. Visit http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/progb to see the full list of offerings. Don't forget: -- Register by June 1 and save up to $300! http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/registration -- Additional discounts available: From government and non-profit employees to groups of 5 or more, USENIX has new ways for you to save: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/discounts.html -- Chat with other attendees on the USENIX '09 Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=29453586085&ref=ts ---------------------------------------------- 2009 USENIX Annual Technical Conference June 14-19, 2009, San Diego, CA http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/progb Early Bird Registration Deadline: June 1, 2009

16 years, 3 months

Re: [Wlug] Picking a distro (was: 1st posting: Worcester ISP? Distros? LAC?)

by John Stoffel

Charles> Well, Red Hat 9 meets all your requirements above, except the Charles> one that says you don't want Red Hat :) You didn't give any Charles> good reason why you wanted to stay away from Red Hat other Charles> than you "want to change try to stay away from GNOME". Well, Charles> Red Hat 9 has KDE too, and you can always get WindowMaker, Charles> Blackbox, Fluxbox, XFCE, or something else if you want a Charles> ligher weight GUI. http://freshrpms.net/ is a good place to Charles> find such addons. Well, part of it has been that I've been using it for so long, it seems like I should try something new and see how that goes. Another issue is that I haven't been wild about some of the system configuration tools they provide, but it's not a big deal. I dunno, it's more of an urge to do something else, not a true desire to move off. Also, I have noticed that alot of packages are still staying with 7.3 or 8, and that 9 hasn't seemed to be as popular. Hard to tell... Charles> The Red Hat Linux distro that we all know an love <g> is Charles> turning into the Fedora Core community supported and Charles> developed distro. Its direction, shape, package selection, Charles> etc. will be very much driven by what the community wants. Charles> In this way, it will be more like the Debian Project, which I Charles> believe will alleviate some of the reservations people may Charles> have had about using Red Hat in the past. E.g. WindowMaker Charles> and those other GUIs will be able to come back into the Charles> distro if the community desires it. Charles> Fedora Core will also support apt-get, yum, and up2date with Charles> third party repositories of software. This will include Charles> Fedora Core itself, updates, Fedora Extras, Fedora Charles> Alternatives, and Fedora Legacy (for those who want an older, Charles> more stable distro to be supported for a longer time). See Charles> http://fedora.redhat.com/ for more info about the project. But none of this exists right now, and I want to rebuild my system this weekend if I can. :] Of course, nothing says I can't play with this stuff later one. Also, some of the rpmbuild and rpm commands have really ticked me off, since I consider the syntax and errors messages to be really baroque and unhelpful. Especially when trying to build a SRPM package, and it dies for no frigging obvious reason. And since I'm planning a fresh install, I've got the Debian and RH9 disks to play with. So maybe I'll just go with Debian for now and see how it goes long term. Thanks for the input. John

21 years, 10 months

Re: [Wlug] Success, almost, with GNOME

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Walt Sawyer wrote: > After last nights meeting, I figured that I'd use KDE. I've used KDE on > other machines and I liked it. Unfortunately, some stuff doesn't seem > to work. For instance, on my gnome desktop, when I plug in my external > USB hard drive, it shows up on the gnome desktop, but not on my KDE > desktop. While I could've gotten around that, it also cannot be found > in Konquerer, or even from a command line! That's the only thing I've > found so far. I did notice that some apps were there and working when > they didn't exist or didn't work on gnome. So I will keep using gnome > on my Fedora Core 4 laptop, until I find a better one. > Walt HI Walt, I'm not quite sure *how* to make it work, but I do remember having the functionality that you described in KDE. In fact, I remember turning it off(!) because I didn't care for it - gotta love the choices in Linux. ;-) However, I can't remember how I disabled it, either. My guess would be that this has something to do with hotplug and /etc/fstab for starters. I'm not quite sure about the KDE hook. Later, Andy > > > > > On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 16:09 -0500, Keith Wright wrote: > >>>From: Ken Jones <jonesj(a)ziplink.net> >>> >>>Per the suggestion of Chuck Anderson I logged in under a new >>>account. GNOME desktop worked just as it should. So I removed >>>all of the /home/kjones/.gconf directory and logged in again as >>>myself. >>> >>>Still it did not work correctly. In particular the right click >>>on empty space did not work. >>> >>>I did a "diff -r" on the two (now default versions I suppose) .gconf >>>directories. They seemed the same save for unique identifiers. Where >>>do I look to find the differences? >> >>Calls to xmodmap in your .bash*, .xinitrc, or startx setup files? >>If the buttons don't work in the program, maybe the >>program is fine, but somebody moved the buttons. >> >>This is just a random guess, of course. I have never seen >>an empty space on any desktop of mine. >> >> --Keith >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDohcFHl0iXDssISsRAnerAJ4qMDqYC02Ps/yli2wQwXnOjSwPeACfQLN5 IXwjx3KnCK3j4LwYa47ALHk= =tR9B -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

19 years, 8 months

JOB: Seeking Unix SysAdmin

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everybody, If you are interested in the following job opportunity, please reply directly to bburns(a)m-Qube.com (Barbara Burns). =====start===== m-Qube, located in Boston, is the premiere mobile messaging management technology company in America and we operate a high-volume wireless messaging ASP. We are currently conducting a search for an experienced Systems Administrator who will be responsible for keeping this Linux/Java/J2EE-based server environment monitored and operational on a 24X7 basis. Responsibilities * Server Administration and Management 1. Configuration, administration and tuning of a high-performance Linux computing environment including new server deployment and setup 2. Develop and maintain scripts for monitoring and automation of periodic jobs 3. Provide problem isolation and resolution using software and diagnostics and/or crash/dump analysis 4. Administration of archive and backup systems 5. Perform ongoing capacity planning activities based on company growth 6. Serve as a system admin knowledge resource for persons throughout the organization 7. Available 24x7 for system emergencies * SAN Storage Administration 1. Maintain existing SAN storage infrastructure 2. Add and reconfigure storage to meet demands of the business 3. Use SAN technology to create backups for disaster recovery * Network Administration 1. Manage network devices including switches, routers and load balancers 2. Resolve issues with network 3. Review logs and run periodic health checks on infrastructure Qualifications: You must have extensive hands-on experience in a high-availability Linux environment with Apache, JBOSS, load balancing and SSL configurations. Your added assets will be an understanding of application programming in Java/JSP, Perl/Javascript or XML interfaces. You have some experience maintaining Cisco network equipment. Candidate must have strong work ethic and possess the ability to perform under time constraints in a dynamic environment. Managing multiple priorities while completing them simultaneously is a basic requirement.The individual must possess excellent skills in troubleshooting complex network environments and devices on his/her own. Experience: Qualified candidates should posses experience in the following: Enterprise-class Linux environments with 5 years of experience Experience with Linux server technologies including NFS, NIS, LDAP, kickstart, etc. Familiarity with engineering tools such as CVS and Bugzilla Proficient in scripting including PERL, Shell, Awk or Sed Extensive operations experience including o Experience analyzing and resolving problems associated with server hardware, server operating system and applications software o Capacity to perform a wide variety of tasks in software/hardware maintenance and operational support of server systems o Strong knowledge and experience with backup policies and emergency recovery procedures Some experience working with the following is preferred: Routing protocol and router administration Maintenance of Java, XML and SQL web applications Education: BS degree in Information Systems or related area desired Please respond directly to Barbara Burns at bburns(a)m-qube.com 617.673.2474 =====end===== - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD1wKJHl0iXDssISsRApOuAJ4kiKrElcrpiUpcBzlkb03eJxRS/QCfcvE4 i/EIPwzBA5NOL60i3UnW8dQ= =XuEN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

19 years, 7 months

Re: [Wlug] network questions

by doug waud

"bryon3245(a)netzero.com" wrote: > > What firewall under linux would you suggest, > what would the best way to set up a firewall-router box with two nic's? I suspect this depends upon the distro. I recently upgraded my gateway box from SuSE 6.3 to SuSE 7.2 and found that the default "Personal Firewall" was exactly what I wanted. (I just use the web for browsing and email so all my connections are started by me and so can easily be "masqueraded" --- hidden from the web). It seems to give you essentially the same thing as that Linksys box Steven Daukas (is that a real name?) suggested --- basically masquerading stuff coming from within and blocking anything unrelated from outside. Again, setting up the nic's is the same with all distros if you approach at the under the hood level but will differ if you use their administrative tools since the latter again are distro dependent. In the SuSE case, their Network Manual, pp 149 guides you through reasonably painlessly while still providing some idea of what is going on. Now, all bets are off if you want to provide some service like a web site or ftp server because then you have to do more than just masquerading and that does require you to become more familiar with how a firewall works. As to the two nics, basically you will set up one, say eth0, which is connected to your cable/dsl modem as a dhcp client which will get its ip address from the isp (I assume that, since you are asking a basic question, you did not spring for a fixed ip address which is more expensive; I also assume that you have a broadband connection since you specify two nics). The other nic, say eth1, you set up with a fixed IP address on your local net, for example, 192.168.1.1. If, at this point, your head is swimming, you can either look at the slides from an old WLUG presentation on networking (go to WLUG site, find "Past meeting information" and go to the March 2001, stuff. Slides 47 and 48 give a back to basics summary of the difference between a hub and a switch incidentally) or look into the manual(s) that come with your distro and see if they are as useful as those for SuSE or, get back to me (I suggest directly so we do not clutter the WLUG mail list more than I have been doing lately :-) ) and I am quite willing to try to walk you through the process on a slower one-on-one step-by-step process. The hazards here are that (1) I can easily get in over my head (but, I believe, am willing at least to let you know when that happens) and (2) you may end up wishing as in the Tom Lehrer song "You should never have let me begin ... " :-) doug

23 years, 6 months

Re: [Wlug] Gentoo

by Jamie Guinan

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Eric Martin wrote: > On 03/23/11 12:19, Joshua Demallistre wrote: > > > > I was thinking about giving Gentoo a try. It would be nice for some > > one in the group could give me a hand. > > > What sort of help are you looking for? There used to be a > disproportionately large Gentoo user base in WLUG, although I don't know > how large it is anymore. I use it at home and work and I'd be glad to > help you out. For me, the great thing about Gentoo is the learning > experience; I learned a lot about GNU/Linux by doing my first Gentoo > installs, and I'm still learning. If you haven't already, grab the > install discs and peruse through the install docs. If you have a 64bit > machine, I suggest grabbing the 64bit disc. Maintaining Gentoo x64 > isn't terribly hard, and you can use memory more efficiently. Gentoo user here, too. Although I haven't done a fresh install in quite a while, I just keep updating. What I like best about Gentoo is picking and choosing which packages to include and leave out, both applications and libraries. For example, the other day I wanted to install "gtkpod", but I really don't want to have Mono or QT4 installed on my system, for various reasons. Doing a test install, I can verify that they are left out: # emerge -ptv gtkpod These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N ] app-pda/gtkpod-1.0.0 USE="aac flac mp3 ogg -curl" 1,856 kB [ebuild N ] media-libs/libgpod-0.8.0 USE="gtk iphone python udev -mono -static-libs" 975 kB [nomerge ] media-libs/libgpod-0.8.0 USE="gtk iphone python udev -mono -static-libs" [nomerge ] sys-apps/sg3_utils-1.30 [ebuild N ] sys-apps/rescan-scsi-bus-1.48 21 kB [ebuild N ] sys-apps/sg3_utils-1.30 863 kB [ebuild N ] app-pda/libimobiledevice-1.0.4 USE="python" 404 kB [ebuild N ] app-pda/usbmuxd-1.0.6 57 kB [ebuild N ] app-pda/libplist-1.3 67 kB [ebuild U ] dev-util/cmake-2.8.3-r1 [2.8.0-r2] USE="ncurses -emacs -qt4 -vim-syntax" 5,310 kB ... The USE= "-mono" and "-qt4" flags indicate that the listed packages will be built without that support. Gentoo handles that by passing the necessary options to "configure" when it builds the package, and that is IMO the main point of using a source-based distribution. If you *did* want support for mono, you could edit "/etc/make.conf" (system-wide) or "/etc/portage/package.use" (package-specific), add the "mono" flag (or remove "-mono"), and try again. For better or worse, I think gentoo kind of peaked in popularity several years ago. Related article, http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10047439-16.html?tag=mncol;title But it still meets my needs on several of my computers. And finally, yes, I am aware of "http://funroll-loops.info/", and I don't care. :) -Jamie

14 years, 5 months

more on event correlation...

by Mike Peckar

Nice meeting you tonight, Chuck, and THANKS for the redhat cd's... sec was the freeware event correlation tool I spoke of tonight: It is a straightforward perl script and doesn't implement a full state machine, but it nevertheless provides some inklings of what more complciated event correlators do. Check it at http://kodu.neti.ee/~risto/sec/ The best commercial event corellation tools IMHO are Nervecenter, Taave, Smarts, and Netcool. Each has its niche where it's best in class, and there are others, like HP's ECS, Logec, G2, etc. My friend Doug Stevenson is a specialist in event correlation and wrote the Maji spec: the open source event correlation engine being developed under the umbrella of OpenNMS (yeah, so, it'll be java - but it will also be very feature rich). He masterfully defines some of the layers of granularity that one might see amongst the different offerings in the Event Correlation space. Types we talked about tonight include event correlation (reducing traps) and device correlation (mapping switch states to events). His definitions are listed below... Mike <snipped message> OK... Here goes... § Event Correlation § Alarm Correlation § Device Correlation § System Correlation § Service Correlation § Performance Correlation § Security Correlation Event Correlation - This is a correlation where multiple events are filtered and processed, thereby reducing the number of events presented. This is primarily done with event tally counts and trap problem verification. Alarm Correlation - This is a correlation of alarms and alerts depicting true problems or root causes and their current status. Side effect alarms or alarms occurring as a result of a root cause alarm are suppressed or become subordinate to the root cause alarm. Device Correlation - This is a correlation of devices, their specific internal components (both hardware and software), and the device's behavior with other devices. Additionally, device correlation lends itself toward configuration management as it is a dynamic inventory of devices, subsystems, components, and behaviors. System Correlation - This is a correlation of devices and managed objects as they pertain to an overall system. This level of correlation enables one to manage and classify a conglomeration of managed objects as a manageable entity. Service Correlation - This correlation is used to determine the devices and systems that make up an IT service. In essence, this is the correlation of managed objects and systems to business rules; similar to a translation of terms from computers and systems to business services. The Service Correlation can be extended to customer impact analysis, business profitability impact analysis, etc. Performance Correlation - This correlation is used to determine the effects performance has with regards to a fault. It is unique in that performance correlation can be applied to enhance the correlation of all of the other categories. Security Correlation - This correlation is used to determine the degree of threats caused by security incidents. It is unique in that security correlation is embedded among all the other six categories described above. HTH, Doug...

23 years, 10 months

Re: [Wlug] W.L.U.G. TV show...

by Walt Sawyer

I checked with Shrewsbury's studio; all we need is one Shrewsbury resident to be the sponser to use their studio. The resident must fill out a form and they become a member. No costs are involved to be a member. We may have to buy some tapes; they use miniDV for digital recording. Anyone who uses the equipment must get a bit of training. That's not a big deal. Walt On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 10:38, Keller, Tim wrote: > For those who didn't attend the meeting last night, we talked a little about > the idea of producing a linux focused TV Show. From that discussion we > decided that the best thing to-do would be to have the main part of the > discussion through the mail list. > > So, here it is... > > Firstly, I think we need to decide who our target audience is. This morning > I came up with notion that generally, users can be broken into several > groups. > > The first group are novice users. These are people who use a computer, but > the concept of an operating system or the idea that windows isn't just "part > of the system" and not removable is alien. > > The second group is "advanced" users. I think most of us would fall into > this group. We understand OS's, hardware, software and all the digital glue > that holds it together. > > The third group is educational users. These would be people who work in > some education institution and they're interest in linux would be from the > standpoint of deploying it for cost savings and/or using it as an education > tool for teaching. > > The forth group would be corporate suit types. These are the people who > read the trade rags, but don't have a clear understanding of what linux. > They've read lots of conflicting FUD on the subject and aren't sure how > linux could be used in they're environment or what the real TCO would be. > > Personally, I think we should go after groups 1-3. The reason I'm not too > worried about the fourth type is that now that redhat had decided that > they're going to go full force into the enterprise environment, they'll be > busy spending lots of PR dollars convincing the suits. > > What do people think. Also, if it is the consensus that we should focus on > groups 1-3, should we narrow our focus even more? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > [image] [image] [image] Walt Sawyer wsawyer(a)norfolk-county.com

21 years, 9 months

Re: [Wlug] synce, is a wonderful thing

by brad

On Monday 09 December 2002 03:13 pm, Wes Allen wrote: > Thanks, > Only now I can't connect to my computer again with synce. Screw it, I've > got my data backed up. linux here I come...... Where do I stop the > install process and put qtopia on instead of X (and is qtopia in ipkg > format anywhere?). The install is in phases. Though i believe there are some packages will combine the root and the graphics (that would combine steps 2 and 3 below). 1st - you'll need to install a boot loader so you can boot into linux (this is the only dangerous part). 2nd - you'll need to install the base linux system, or the root (you'll probably want the familiar distro). You do this through the boot loader. 3nd - at this point you'll have linux installed but no graphics. You want to make sure you can connect you're ipaq to the internet so it can download packages. Choose which graphics package you want, X, GPE, Qtopia, or OPIE, and install it. All the graphics packages are a set of packages, so you can install the packages you will find useful. I would suggest OPIE, since that's what i use, and that seems to be the most featureful and mature of them all. This will probably make for an intersting mini-demo at a meeting. It's been a long time since i've gone through all this stuff though (since i installed linux on my ipaq a year and a half ago and a lot has changed). --brad > > Wes > > On Wednesday 04 December 2002 10:30 pm, brad wrote: > > On Wednesday 04 December 2002 09:55 pm, Wesley Allen wrote: > > > Hi all, I've actually managed to get my iPAQ connected to my linux > > > laptop using my usb cable....and I've even gotten some files off it and > > > opened them up with OOo. All-in-all, I'm happy. > > > > Nice. > > > > > But I would like to back up the address files and convert them into > > > something Linux can use. What files does pocket-pc use to keep their > > > addressbook data in? > > > > I believe that the address book, is something that only outlook can read. > > I had a hard time trying to figure this one out to when i switched from > > WinCE to linux. What i did was found a machine with outlook and sync-ed > > to that. Opened up outlook and exported the address book in csv format. > > Then i could actually read the data. > > > > Cheers, > > --brad > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

22 years, 8 months

Re: [Wlug] A second Aurora - SPARC question....

by William Smith

I have an Ultra 60 that needs a home. I have Aurora on it, though it's an old version. The system has been in storage for two years, at least. If anyone is interested, there's the system, the monitor, mouse, and keyboard up for grabs. I can probably make the January meeting. ...Bill On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Adam Gomes <adam(a)unixgeek.net> wrote: > > The output of the previously suggested diagnostics would be helpful, though it > does sounds like the ethernet card is cooked (but let's keep our fingers > crossed). In the meantime, can you please refresh my memory ... Does the > Ultra 1 use the older sbus for cards, or is a PCI based machine? I may have > an sbus ethernet card laying around. > > On Sunday 21 December 2008 18:58:01 Ken Jones wrote: >> Oops! >> >> I just looked inside my ULTRA SPARC ONE. The ethernet I/O appears to be >> embedded in the big mother board. That is not good if I am correct. >> >> Any suggestions?? >> >> Ken Jones >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ken Jones >> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 6:31 PM >> Subject: Aurora - SPARC question.... >> >> >> Folks, >> >> I've not been WLUG active for a year or more. Back then the half of my >> 111 gig PC disc which was dual booted with FEDORA developed a permanent >> error. The other half's XP installation has been OKAY. I have learned to >> us WINDOWS. >> >> Meanwhile my SUN ULTRA running as an Aurora SPARC SAMBA file server since >> 1993 has been chugging along just fine. >> >> I live in Fitchburg. We have been without power for nine days. 110 >> volts came up yesterday evening. Much to my chegrin my SUN was unhappy. I >> used a rescueCD to boot. All came back except my ethernet card. It would >> not start. The little light at the far end on the IP cord does not glow... >> >> --------- >> /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart >> >> says, "Bringing up interface eth0: Determining IP information for eth0 >> ... failed. [FAILED]" >> >> The card is claimed to be a 'sunlance' card. >> >> Any ideas? Is the card fried do you think? >> >> I have a second SPARC machine. It's ethernet was working last time it >> was powered. Must I swap? >> >> Ken Jones > > > > -- > Adam Gomes > adam(a)unixgeek.net > Public Key @ > http://www.thatguygomer.com/pubkey.txt > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

16 years, 8 months

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