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Re: [Wlug] Penetration Tester

by Tal Cohen

Not to mention, it is a requirment for for certain compliance that I am trying to meet :) Tal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Boyce" <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Penetration Tester >I agree with most of what you're saying except I thinking you're > mixing up vulnerability scanning with pen testing. A good pen tester > will actually demonstrate the vulnerability and can find new issues in > your custom web app code. > > The one benefit of pen testing would be convincing decision makers > that the steps you outlined are necessary. > > On Jan 18, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > >> Don't bother. It's security theater. >> >> It easy to run automated tests, but the chance it will actually catch >> something that you wouldn't know about by reading the proper security >> mailing lists is negligible. >> >> These days most malware gets in through end users doing stupid things. >> China hacked Google with a phishing attack. There's no completely >> technical solution for that. Educate users as best you can. If >> there's >> sensitive data on your network, make sure only people who need access >> have access. >> >> Assume that your network will be compromised. Have a strategy to >> restore things quickly when that happens. >> >> >> >> Tal Cohen <wlug(a)cohen123.com> wrote: >> >>> I need a penetration tester (individual or firm) to run some tests >>> against my >>> network. >>> >>> Anyone have any recommendations they care to share? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Tal >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

15 years, 10 months

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Althea Shaheen

I run it on my pfSense firewall, but pivpn is also a great option if you'd rather port forward to a different device. On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, at 16:30, John Stoffel wrote: >>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > I've been busy, so I'm coming back to this late... > >> I use a wireguard VPN on my phone anytime I leave my house, mainly >> for ad blocking. I run pi-hole at home to block ads network wide, >> and when I leave wifi, my phone automatically joins the VPN at home >> and uses the same pi-hole servers for DNS. Internet traffic is still >> directly through my carrier (so split tunnel) but my DNS is hidden >> from them and ad free! > > Do you run wireguard on your firewall or do you pass it inside into a > base host? > >> -thea > >> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, at 03:54, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: > >>> However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and >> policies. >>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. >> This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure ISP/VPN service. >> "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" >> md > >> On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still rely >> on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. >> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > >> On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: >>> >>> You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience >>> when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, >>> the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve >>> that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is >>> a difference between a poor native and a rich American. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: >>>> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >>>>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're selling, >>>>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate >>>>> me!) >>>>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. >>>>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this month, >>>>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug >>>> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: >>>> >>>> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a >>>> different geographical area. This can help you bypass >>>> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs >>>> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live >>>> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you >>>> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you >>>> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute >>>> accomodations while you are away on vacation. >>>> >>>> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing >>>> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could >>>> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits >>>> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not >>>> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of >>>> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright >>>> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly >>>> governments.) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZC4W3… >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OD7Q… > >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E6KIC… > >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/532CN…

2 years

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Oh god... how did I miss that joke first time around? I must be dumber than usual... I'll try to make the meeting tomorrow, might not depending how crazy life gets with last minute shopping. But for dinner, we should try to goto "Worcester Common Market" I think it's open late enough... maybe? Right on kelly square. > Rim shot.. > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 7:18 AM Dan Davis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I'd ordered "UDP" on a plate from the RMV but I never got it. I tried to complain but I don't > think they care that I didn't get it. > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 5:17 AM Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind > another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." > I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that was > a long time ago. > It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would > probably be on this mailing list. > --MCV. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HRXTY… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AFKJL… > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ENIID…

1 year, 11 months

Re: [Wlug] Searching for motherboards (was trading PIII)

by Gary J. Hanley

What! You're were running Intel? Don't you know you should be running AMD for everything. :-) -- Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint Moyer" <cdmoyer(a)charter.net> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: RE: [Wlug] Searching for motherboards (was trading PIII) > I have an Abit BX6r2 that I no longer use. I was running a Celeron 566 > (nominally 66Mhz FSB) at a 100Mhz. A P3 850 uses the same multiplier, so it > will run on this board. > > It's also a great overclocking board. You won't get that with an Intel. > > I can bring it to the next meeting and you can test drive it first. If > you're interested, I'll let it go cheap. > > Clint Moyer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Stephen C. Daukas > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:40 AM > To: wlug(a)wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Searching for motherboards (was trading PIII) > > > > I'm broadening the search a bit, and was wondering if anyone can recommend > some local hardware shops... > > By way of repeating my situation, and giving a bit more detail, I have a > SECC2 (a.k.a. slot 1) PIII 850 processor that won't run on my motherboard > (an Intel SE440BX-2 Slot 1 type) because of motherboard rev issues. I am > offering a swap for a SECC2 PIII running at 550 or 600. > > I am also now looking to see if anyone knows of a local source for a > motherboard capable of running a Slot 1 PIIIs at 850. This is older > technology (Intel no longer make Slot 1), so I need to see what I can find > that is already in the distribution channel. > > I really like Intel boards, so Intel would be my first choice. Anyone know > of a local source, Intel or otherwise? > > Thanks! > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

23 years, 9 months

Re: [Wlug] Smart package manager

by Bill Smith

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:26:54 -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >Those of you who attended the most recent WLUG meeting might remember >me complaining that the version of YaST on OpenSuSE 10.1 has a >pathetically slow program for handling software installation. Greg >Avedissian mentioned the Smart package manager >(http://labix.org/smart) as an alternative, so I gave it a try. > >The Smart package manager appears to be Linux distribution agnostic. >It works on systems whose package management is based on RPM, APT, >APT-RPM, YUM, etc. I went to the page you gave, and was suitably impressed with what they had to say. Enough so, that I promptly installed it on my laptop running FC5. "yum install smart*" was enough to get the things installed that I needed. (Yes, I'm a 'yum' fan. <g>) Right now, it's been chugging "Updating channels". Any idea how long that takes, initially? It's been about two hours so far. Considering that I did a "yum upgrade" yesterday, I wouldn't think there would be a lot to do, shy of populating a DB or something for Smart to refer to... >I tried it on my laptop, where I was having the most performance issues >with YaST's software handling program. I am quite pleased with the >Smart package manager! Thanks, Greg, for the recommendation! I don't know if this is indicative of where Red Hat is going, but the RPM header for Smart, which was generated at Red Hat, describes Smart as "the next generation package manager"... >I haven't yet installed the Smart package manager on my "good" system, >but I probably will if Novell doesn't fix YaST in OpenSuSE 10.2. The >Smart package manager has found a permanent home on my laptop. > >Funding for the development of the Smart package manager is being >supplied by Canonical Ltd., the same folks who are funding Ubuntu >Linux. I thought that was pretty interesting, too. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "Would that the risks could be as great for those that authorize a war as it is for those that have to fight it." -- William Smith * TAG! v3.2 *

19 years, 2 months

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Chuck Anderson

I would give a talk on how to set up Oracle Cloud manually--no Ansible or other automation. On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 07:59:14AM -0400, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: > Doug/dmildram> The free Oracle cloud > setup talk sounds awesome. > > I'd expect it would take quite some time, > both for presenter to prepare AND > maybe even for the meeting timeframe. > John, I think I may get as well try to > not learn what Ansible is > (being less into code control, node > automation, myself... > though I've seen an amazing amount > of interest on them on this group, > then pondered how we balance the > various knowledge/skill levels in wlug). > > Am I right to assume that for a one-off, > i.e. one personal/home user wanting > free cloud storage and maybe email, > that the Ansible angle should > be postponed to follow > a dumber/simpler?? How To talk? > > --Background just to expose my mind: > I was a unix sysadin for decades > since 1985, but my modern skills got > out of date around 2000. Fortunately > for me, I lucked into working with > Chuck,Frank, many others as a WPI > network engineer 2010-2019. Thus, > not a sysadmin any longer but just a > cubicle wall away from all kinds of > IT evolution via WPI. Heck, even the > WPI IT sysadmins leaned a bit?more? > on the brains in NetOps ! --love, doug > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 10:24 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > > > > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. > > > > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. > > > > > > > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ > > > > > > > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to > > > > replicate what you have at home now: > > > > > > And what's the price? > > > > Free forever.

2 years, 8 months

RE: [Wlug] Regarding M$ enforcement of licenses...

by Simoncini, Matthew

Hello, It's kind of interesting that an email about this very topic landed in my inbox this morning. Here's the link: http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/filters/specialreport/0,14622,6022528 ,00.html Good luck. Matthew On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:44:37 -0400, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: >In case you haven't heard, M$ is auditing a dozen or so large school >districts for compliance on licensing. Of course, this will be ugly and >will run one district an estimated $1,000,000 per year to comply with >M$. That's $1,000,000 more then they pay now. M$ is offering a simplified >arrangement whereby a school system pays a flat fee for every Intel box >(regardless of what it might actually be running) that would run that same >district about $30,000. You can see where this is headed! > >Aside from noting that people's dishonesty about paying the real costs >associated with M$ software has gotten them into this trouble (if only >because the real costs are not apparent to "management"), I'm wondering >what is available as a real alternative to M$ for the great unwashed masses. > >Of course, the answer I would expect to hear is "Linux!", but... > >I'm talking about a solution that is useable by those who are not rabid >members of a LUG, or Sys admins in their day job. I'm talking about >productivity software that will seamlessly read and write M$ file formats >(Excel, Word, etc.). I don't know, for example, if Star Office is a real >alternative because I don't know how well it interoperates with those who >use Word, for example, on a daily basis. Perhaps there is a solution that >will reliably run M$ applications without having to buy the OS, but that is >only a step in the right direction. > >I was hoping to hear suggestions about what is out there and if Linux is >ready to work seamlessly in heterogeneous High-Tech world. This might be a >good topic for one of the WLUG meetings... > >Steve > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

23 years, 7 months

Re: [Wlug] Linux Desktop Conference

by Doug Chamberlin

At 11/11/2003 08:37 AM (Tuesday), you wrote: >I'm wondering if anybody went to the Linux Desktop conference in Tyngsboro >yesterday, and if so, what did you think of it? I went and learned a lot and had a good time. Lots of positive energy and chance to meet people. Minor logistical problems (less than is often seen for a first time event). Too bad it was just one day! Lots of Linux community luminaries were present. Good, thoughtful reflections on the state of Linux, open software, recent industry changes. Also, lots of practitioners who described real world experiences and successes. Bruce Perens says the biggest danger to Linux overall is software patents (but he thinks the SCO situation is almost over and will have no lasting impact on the scene). Next biggest danger is digital rights management efforts of content creators (a la RIAA). Best defense is support of EFF. Bruce says go to www.groklaw.net for a good analysis of the SCO legalities by a para-legal. Several case studies were described of government orgs and schools converting to Linux. An interesting observation was made that these are mainly outside the USA. Several demos showing the status of the Linux desktop as a viable alternative to Windows. Some talks by KDE and Gnome developers on their current work and plans. Bruce Perrins thinks IBM purchase/merger with Novell/Suse is likely. A major observation for me was that, in the cases of migration to Linux, the biggest cost category was "application migration" - not hardware, software, licensing, training, or support. costs. That is big for me since I do contract application development. Would love to help anyone re-implement Windows apps on Linux. Great talk on Linux terminal Server Project (http://www.ltsp.org/) This stuff works. Great way to use older machines but the best were the low cost, no moving parts remote boxes. No local storage but fully functional otherwise. These guys sell them as well as use them. Jill Ratkevic did an amazing job to pull this off. Apparently this is not the last of these gatherings. If you would like to see more of them join & support the Desktop Linux Consortium at http://www.desktoplinux.com/ (membership is $ free). That's all of the top of my head and not nearly a complete report. Doug C.

22 years, 1 month

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by Israel Ellner

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17 years, 5 months

Re: Gridfinity open source organization..

by Tim Keller

So far I printed out a 2x4 base plate and a couple smaller containers. I love the idea that the system is totally open and there are step files available so you can expand on it. between copious amounts of ikea skadis pegboard and my tool chest I think I can organize my tools in a way where I can adhere to the Adam Savage rule of first retrieval. Since we have a meeting this Thursday, this can be yet something else to talk about. Tim. On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 8:23 PM Joe Sherman via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I've been following the gridfinity saga for some time now. There are > actually a lot more designs available on some of the 3d print sharing sites > too. > > There are also a few other projects with the same concept, I've also > looked at hexagon based one. > > If I could just get my z-axis on my 3d printer stable maybe I could > actually print some. > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2023, 5:36 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> This isn't related to linux, but definitely cool. >> I've been working on getting my tools all organized and I came across >> gridfinity.xyz >> >> I thought others might find it interesting as well. >> Later, >> Tim. >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FRTAR… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VZLYS… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

2 years, 3 months

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