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Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by joshua.gage.stone＠gmail.com

Tim, Thank you very much for creating a meetup.com group for us! The UX for finding future meetups and adding meetup dates to a calender is quite good. Finding WLUG should also be fairly easy now when searching for "linux" within a 50 mile radius of Boston: https://www.meetup.com/find/?allMeetups=false&keywords=linux&radius=50&user… I've noticed that some search strings will show LUGs with overlapping interests but not WLUG. I think adding more words like "FOSS", "Android", "Libre", "Open Source", "Ubuntu", "Fedora", "OpenSUSE", "Arch Linux", "Unix", etc, to the related topics and/or What We're About section should improve this. I've tried setting up a community over Slack but I think the steps need to join was what made it too intrusive for new people -- take joining the Rust language Slack server for example: https://rust-slack.herokuapp.com/ - Send an invite link to your email- Register with a name and password- Be greeted with prompts about whether to send notifications- Open the #general channel And this has to be repeated for joining every community that has their own Slack server, or at least this has been my experience so far. I think Slack has cemented itself as more of a means for teams to collaborate on a project, not so much for casual users who want to jump right into a new chat. Matrix only needs to register a username and password (email is optional) on the server you're on, and once that's done you can join any number of channels on that server. This is much closer to the UX of IRC, and it's still superior in some ways because there's no fiddling with choosing a specific authentication method like SASL and/or authenticating with nickserv I think in general Matrix has more mindshare amongst Linux users as a modern alternative to IRC, which I think is worth considering when comparing frequency of posts on Reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/search?q=matrix&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevanc… -Josh On Sat, 2020-01-11 at 22:59 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG: > https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six > months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like. > The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial > to the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a > slack channel as well maybe. > > Tim. > > > > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > We also have an IRC channel: > > > > > > > > http://www.wlug.org/participate.html > > > > > > > > Internet Relay Chat > > > > > > > > Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel. > > > > > > > > Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net > > > > Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: > > irc://irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. > > > > See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your > > web browser > > > > > > > > but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG > > wrote: > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > > > > > Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again > > to > > > > > Tim for giving me a ride home! > > > > > > > > > > Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve > > general > > > > > activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. > > Hosting a > > > > > meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and > > > > > getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great > > too. > > > > > > > > > > I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a > > text chat > > > > > format for users who want to communicate more easily over the > > internet, > > > > > especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord > > > > > servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room > > sizes > > > > > generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even > > before > > > > > Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve > > > > > participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here > > because it > > > > > has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience: > > > > > > > > > > - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( > > > > > https://matrix.org/clients/ > > > > > - Persistent chat history > > > > > - Link previews > > > > > - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( > > > > > https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ > > > > > - User moderation > > > > > - Server federation > > > > > - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely > > FOSS > > > > > - File sharing > > > > > - Voice/video calls > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat > > room > > > > > would look like: > > > > > > > > > > https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png > > > > > > > > > > Or you can join the room I made: > > > > > > > > > > https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org > > > > > > > > > > Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already: > > > > > > > > > > #wlug:matrix.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Josh > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > _______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

4 years, 8 months

Re: Uptime!

by Mike Peckar

md, Here's where I saw the reference to Fortran V wrt Voyager's CSS... https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/news/voyager-mission-anniversary-computers… From http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/fort04.htm.... IBM never defined a language called FORTRAN V, or provided a compiler for it, but some of its competitors used the term for their extended versions of FORTRAN. Univac and Data General are two companies that sold compilers for a language which they called FORTRAN V. In general, FORTRAN V compilers included the CHARACTER data type as a standard feature of the language, and they added the ENCODE and DECODE statements as well. These statements allowed a character variable to be used instead of an input-output device as the source for a formatted read, or the target of a formatted write, and they looked like this: CHARACTER*80 BUFFER ... ENCODE(80,11,BUFFER),X,Y,Z ... DECODE(80,10,BUFFER),P,Q,R ... STOP 10 FORMAT (3F12.5) 11 FORMAT (3F12.5) END Mike On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 6:20 PM Jon "maddog" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I had not heard of Fortran 5 (or Fortran V) and a half-hearted search of > the Internet did not find anything. > > Do you have any pointers to it? > > Thanks, > > md > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 18:09 Mike Peckar <mpeckar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> According to the Guiness Book of World records, The computer system that >> has been in continual operation for the longest period is the Computer >> Command System (CCS) onboard NASA's *Voyager 2* spacecraft. This system >> has been in continuous operation since the spacecraft's launch on 20 August >> 1977. Voyager 1's CCS uptime trails it by a couple of weeks and both are >> still going. >> >> Each Voyager has two CCSs, two Flight Data System (FDS) computers and two >> Attitude and Articulation Control System (AACS) computers, but the FDS & >> AACS do not operate continuously. The CCS's have two 18-bit word, interrupt >> type processors with 4096 words each of non-volatile plated wire memory >> amounting to 69.63 kilobytes. They execute about 81,000 instructions per >> second and transmit data back to Earth at 160 bits per second. They were >> originally programmed in Fortran 5. >> >> Mike >> >> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:32 PM Jon "maddog" Hall < >> jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Mike, >>> >>> Believe it or not, both VMS and Digital Unix systems were the same way. >>> They would go months and years without rebooting. >>> >>> The US Navy had two hospital ships, the "Mercy" and the "Hope". One >>> stationed on the East Coast and one in San Diego. The one on the East >>> Coast used WNT for the servers and the one in San Diego used GNU/Linux. >>> The ship using WNT had to have twice as many servers as the one in San >>> Diego because the Navy rules said that a WNT server HAD to be rebooted >>> every 30 days, whereas there was no such requirement for GNU/Linux. Since >>> a Naval deployment could last longer than 30 days, and since they needed >>> the server services to be up constantly that whole time, they needed twice >>> as many WNT servers. >>> >>> md >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mike Peckar via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Fun Story, Maddog. Around 20 yrs ago I was consulting for Bloomberg in >>>> Skillman, NJ, a big Solaris shop. The HP app I was working with bellied up >>>> with memory leaks and I suggested they reboot that server. I was told flat >>>> out they don't reboot Solaris servers period. They cleaned up the mess and >>>> isolated where in the HP code that the pointer was lost, leaving me the >>>> not-so-fun task of filing the bug report with HP. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 7:39 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < >>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tim, >>>>> >>>>> What was the reason for shutting it down? >>>>> >>>>> This reminds me of a story from years ago where a young friend >>>>> contacted me before a trip to the University of New Hampshire for a Linux >>>>> LUG meeting. >>>>> >>>>> He asked me if I would go to a particular dorm and knock on the door >>>>> of what had been his door room. I was to ask if I could unplug the box >>>>> that was in the corner of the closet in the room. The system had been >>>>> running for five years in his former dorm room and he had forgotten the >>>>> login password. He did not want the machine back, just wanted it >>>>> unplugged. >>>>> >>>>> A young woman answered the door, heard my explanation and let me >>>>> unplug the machine. "We were afraid to unplug it" she said. >>>>> >>>>> Your machine beat his machine on uptime. >>>>> >>>>> md >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 5:07 PM Tim Keller via WLUG < >>>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! >>>>>> It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! >>>>>> Tim. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>>>>> constituents as "consumers". >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>>>> Change Settings: >>>>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PW3ML… >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>>> Change Settings: >>>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KSUVD… >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZZZSN… >>>> >>>

2 years, 4 months

Re: [Wlug] Enterprise Linux Forum - Special Offer for Linux User Groups

by Karl Hiramoto

I'll be there for the free stuff, but can't afford the spendy stuff. On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Andy Stewart wrote: > > > Hi Everybody, > > On Dec. 3 and 4, 2002, the Enterprise Linux Forum will be held at the Boston > Marriot (Copley Place) in Boston, MA. We have been offered a $200 discount > for WLUG members who attend the event. If you want more information, read > below that which was sent to me. If you wish to go and can't read the > attachments, send me e-mail. > > Later, > > Andy > > > > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: Enterprise Linux Forum - Special Offer for Linux User Groups > Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:27:15 -0500 > From: Juliet Sigmann <jsigmann(a)jupitermedia.com> > To: andystewart(a)attbi.com > > Andy, > > I hope you do not think it too forward of me to send you this e-mail, but I > came across Worcester Linux Users Group while researching Linux associations > and user group sites. My company, Jupitermedia, has developed a conference > that I believe will be of interest to you and other members of Worcester > Linux Users Group . The name of the event is Enterprise Linux Forum > Conference & Expo. For complete details on this event, visit > http://www.enterpriselinuxforum.com > > I would like to offer Worcester Linux Users Group members a $200 discount to > attend the Enterprise Linux Forum. Registrations processed by November 19th > save an additional $100 off the regular conference price. The conference > offers 1-Day, 2-Day, and Expo Pass (free) passes to the event. > > This e-mail is not a "sales call", but is a win-win business proposition. > We are seeking to drive attendance at this first time (albeit world-class) > event. We can offer you and other Worcester Linux Users Group members a > world class event that touches on a number of subjects via 4 comprehensive > tracks that I believe would be of interest to your group such as Linux in > the Datacenter; Clustered and Distributed Computing; Operations, Management > and Infrastructure; and Application, Storage and Information Management. > Scroll below for the complete line-up of speakers and topics to be > highlighted at this event. > > As the conference brochure (attached in PDF format) relates, this event is > set to run December 3-4, 2002 at the Boston Marriott Copley Place in Boston, > MA. > > Currently, the event is sponsored by Red Hat (Premier Sponsor), BMC > Software, Computer Associates, Dell, Egenera, IBM, NeTraverse, Oracle, Sun > Microsystems, SuSE Linux, Ximian, and more. Additional supporters of the > event include: Illuminata (Premier Analyst Sponsor) and association sponsors > Free Standards Group, GNOME Foundation, Linux International, and Open Source > Development Lab. Media sponsors include, Capterra, HostingTech, IT Toolbox, > Linux Journal, and OutsourcingCentral.com. > > Visit the event web site at www.enterpriselinuxforum.com for the most > up-to-date listing of speakers, session descriptions, sponsors, and > exhibitors. > > Again, I would like to offer Worcester Linux Users Group members a $200 > discount to attend the Enterprise Linux Forum. As you can see from the > number and quality of sponsors and speakers, this is a first rate event. > > I have attached with this e-mail a fax back registration form with the $200 > discount as well as some copy that you could include in an email newsletter > to you members or your web site. In order for your members to take > advantage of this $200 discount, they will need to use the priority code > assigned in the fax back form or attached copy. > > Please call me directly if you have any comments or questions. > > Sincerely, > > Juliet Sigmann > Marketing Manager > > Jupitermedia Corporation > (formerly INT Media Group) > 30 Lyman Street, Suite 8 > Westboro, MA 01581 > T: 508-870-5858 x119 > F: 508-870-6521 > eFax: 801-761-9698 > jsigmann(a)jupitermedia.com > www.jupitermedia.com > > **************************************************************************** > *************** > Keynotes and Sessions > Click on http://www.jupiterevents.com/elf/fall02/glance.html for the > complete agenda > > Keynote 1: The Inevitable Linux Momentum - Matthew J. Szulik, Chairman, CEO > and President, Red Hat > Keynote 2: Linux in Prime Time: Open Source Meets Enterprise Requirements - > Jonathan Eunice, President and Principal > Analyst, Illuminata > Keynote 3: IBM Enterprise Solutions for Linux - Steven C. Solazzo, General > Manager, Linux, IBM > Keynote 4: Unbreakable Linux - Rene Bonvanie, VP of Oracle9i Marketing, > Oracle Corporation > > Session 1: The Changing Face of Linux - David Niemi, Director of Systems > Engineering, Adeptech Systems, Inc. > Session 2: Linux High Availability Cluster Selection - Tim Burke, Advanced > Server Technical Project Leader, Red Hat > Session 3: VPN Enterprise Implementation at Rochester Midland - Tony > Karakashian, Network Manager, Rochester Midland > Corporation > Session 4: Linux as Embedded Operating System - Rob Lembree, Technical > Director, Metro Link, Inc. > Session 5: How Sitel Worldwide Runs Call Centers Utilizing Linux - Scott > Clark, Director of Systems Engineering, Sitel Corporation > Session 6: PANEL: Server Consolidation Strategies Using Linux - Moderator: > Brian Proffitt, Managing Editor, LinuxToday.com > Session 7: The Enterprise Linux Desktop: Addressing Corporate Needs - Nat > Friedman, Co-founder and Vice President of Product > Development, Ximian > Session 8: Managing Linux on Datacenter Mainframe Systems - Alex deVries, > Principal Solutions Architect, Linuxcare > Session 9: The Future of Open Source Software in the Enterprise - Randy > Terbush, Managing Partner, Tribal Knowledge Group > Session 10: The Future of Datacenter Computing: How the Combination of > Storage Area Networks and Processing Area Networks > Solves Multiple Pain Points for Enterprise Datacenters > Session 11: Apache: An Enterprise-Level Server - Daniel Lopez Ridruejo, > Senior Developer, Instant802 Networks > Session 12: The Virtual Environment - Where Does Linux Fit? - Dan > Kusnetzky, Vice President, System Software Research, IDC > Session 13: Enterprise-Ready Linux on the Mainframe: The Path to Success - > Sam Greenblatt, SVP, Computer Associates > Session 14: The Linux Factor: How Linux and Friends will Reshape > Application by 2005 - Jasmine Noel, Founder and Principal, > JNoel Associates > Session 15: Rethinking the Linux Distribution: Linux as Platform, Not > Product - Ian Murdock, Progeny > Session 16: Linux Clusters and Open Source Software in the Life Sciences - > Glenn Otero, Ph.D., Founder and Principal, Linux > Prophet > Session 17: The Linux Standard Base - Changing Everything You Think About > Linux - Scott McNeil, Executive Director, Free > Standards Group > Session 18: Linux in Business: Answering Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt - > Russell Pavlicek, Independent Consultant > Session 19: PANEL: Integrating Linux Into the Enterprise - Moderator: Brian > Proffitt, Managing Editor, LinuxToday.com > Session 20: Open Source Development Lab Data Center Linux (DCL) for OLTP > and DSS - Timothy Witham, Lab Director, Open > Source Development Lab > Session 21: Migrating C/C++ Applications from Unix to Linux - Shel Travis, > Vice President of Research, MigraTEC > Session 22: Web Services: The Killer Application for Open Source - > Christian Gross, Software Engineering Consultant > Session 23: Linux Database Clusters for High Performance Computing - Boris > C. Bialek, Manager, DB2 Strategic Technologies, > IBM Toronto Lab > Session 24: High-Performance End-to-End Computing Using Linux - Chris > Maresca, Senior Partner, Olliance Group, LLC > > **************************************************************************** > *************** > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø The older I grow, the less important the comma becomes. Let the reader catch his own breath. -- Elizabeth Clarkson Zwart

21 years, 10 months

Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 1

by Arturo Sedo

There is also another option. If you have another computer you can burn a copy of knopix. Once you create the cd, you insert it into the CDROM drive, boot from CDROM to a nice KDE GUI and all partitions are automatically mounted. Click on the partition that has the needed info and you are good to go. It may sound complicated but Knopix has a really fine User Interface. (If you don't have a CDROM you can do the same thing with Tomsrbtb from a floppy) Then when you want to create a boot disk you can open a command window, mount the root partition and then do "chroot /mnt/rootPartition". From there you can run lilo or mkbootdisk. Good luck. Arturo On Mon, 2004-02-02 at 12:00, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RedHat 7.1 boot floppy (Norm Legare) > 2. Re: RedHat 7.1 boot floppy (James Baldassari) > 3. RE: RedHat 7.1 boot floppy (Moti Abramovich) > 4. RE: RedHat 7.1 boot floppy (Adam Keck) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:56:51 -0800 (PST) > From: Norm Legare <normlegare(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <20040201205651.14333.qmail(a)web13425.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi All, > > My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By > inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just > stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk > failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the > Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy > be made while preserving the existing Linux installation? > > Thanks, > Norm > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:18:53 -0500 (EST) > From: James Baldassari <jdb(a)WPI.EDU> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402011615590.17100(a)ccc3.WPI.EDU> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Hi Norm. You can probably find a Red Hat boot disk image somewhere (just > google it), and there are Windows utilities for writing images to > floppies. I think one of them is called rwfloppy, which I can send to you > if you can't find it. You will probably have to edit the boot disk once > it's created so that it points to your linux drive. When you get your > system back up and running I would recommend installing LILO so that you > don't run into this problem again. The newer versions of Windows also > have built-in support for booting multiple OSes. > -James > > On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Norm Legare wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By > > inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just > > stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk > > failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the > > Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy > > be made while preserving the existing Linux installation? > > > > Thanks, > > Norm > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 06:12:24 -0500 > From: "Moti Abramovich" <motia(a)comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy > To: "'Worcester Linux Users Group'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <000701c3e97d$6fbfa400$0200a8c0@laptop1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Norm. > It depends what version of windows you have, but your best bet would be to > set up your windows for "dual boot" so when you boot your system, a menu > will come up and ask you which operating system you want to boot to - > Windows or Linux. > Moti > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Norm Legare > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:57 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy > > Hi All, > > My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By > inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just > stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk > failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the > Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy > be made while preserving the existing Linux installation? > > Thanks, > Norm > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: 02 Feb 2004 09:28:46 -0500 > From: Adam Keck <ghostis(a)mac.com> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Cc: Adam Keck <ghostis(a)mac.com> > Message-ID: <1075732127.4990.17.camel@alfred> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just > > stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk > > failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the > > Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy > > be made while preserving the existing Linux installation? > > Norm, > This is no big deal if you know what hardware you have. You will need > a second linux machine to solve this so perhaps someone will agree to > drop by the next meeting with a laptop. > > 1. Get a machine with mtools, superformat and syslinux installed and a > kernel source tree. > 2. Recompile a non-modular kernel with support for your hardware and > filesystems and nothing else. > 3. Insert a floppy and then run: superformat /dev/hd0 > 4. When that's done run: syslinux /dev/fd0 > 5. Mcopy the new kernel from /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot to the > floppy: mcopy /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage a:\kernel.img > 6. Open a text file called syslinux.cfg in your favorite editor. > 7. Put the following in syslinux.cfg (with the appropriate value for > your root parition filled in): > > DEFAULT LINUX > LABEL LINUX > KERNEL kernel.img > APPEND root=/dev/{your root partition device here} > > 8. Save that file then mcopy it to the floppy: mcopy syslinux.cfg a: > 9. Reboot your machine from the floppy. > > There are other ways to do this that may be more elegant. For example > you may be able to so this on your machine by booting the rescue kernel > with the first RedHat CD and then chrooting to your environment. This > how I do it, though ;-). > > > -Adam > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 1 > **********************************

20 years, 7 months

Re: [Wlug] Charter Telephone reviews, boylston?

by Jared Greenwald

A word to the wise, make sure that they actually can port your number before you switch. I moved into a new place in Uxbridge a couple years ago. So new that they didn't even have the cable company's lines - so I just got a package through Verizon that included DirecTV and DSL. Then about 6 months later they finally attached the street hookups for our development so we could get it. They sent out reps to our houses to sell us on the services inlcuding phone. The rep swore up and down that we would be able to keep our number that we'd gotten from Verizon, so we got all signed up. When the installation day came, I was then told that I could not get my number ported and there was nothing they could do about it. I fought tooth and nail and filed complaints with every level of manager I could to figure out why. Come to find out that my town is serviced by two different high-level telephone routers and that one router is setup to process 278 exchange and the other is setup to handle 266 exchange. There is some arbitrary line in my area that if you fall on one side of the line you get 278 and the other gets 266 - totally bogus. I tried to reason with them that the phone switch in my house was just a network device and that, once on the network, they could route whatever number to it that they wanted, but the customer reps I talked to that could actually understand what I was talking about just weren't having it. I finally just accepted it and figured I'd have to just suck it up, but then I found out that the service didn't work with the phone system I had at the time (multi-cordless with base that cost like $150+). They tried to tell me to just get a new phone and I was like - so you're going to pay for that same feature set on a new set of phones for me? At this point I had already canceled all of my other services including the DSL. Another word to the wise on that front. Don't ever cancel your DSL unless you are 100% certain you don't want it. It takes a minimum of 10 days to get your new DSL connection setup, yet when you cancel your service it goes dead nearly immediately. So, if you accidentally change your mind, you have to wait 10 days to get it back on. In the end, I was able to get my original Verizon number back and get my DSL and DirecTV turned on again, but it was the most painful experience that I have gone through in quite a while. I actually still have Charter, but just for the local cable access package ($13/mo) so that I can watch the selectman's meetings and stuff like that. Just figured I'd share my experience. -Jared On 9/15/07, Stephen Daukas <scd(a)daukas.com> wrote: > We upgraded to the digital/phone/Internet package and installed only one > digital box wit the rest of the house on analog. While I can only speak > definitively about Shrewsbury Cable, I can't see how this wouldn't work > anywhere... > > Depending on the equipment the cable provider uses, one or more splitters > with the appropriate notch filters on each output, may be necessary to > separate out the unwanted packets and phone signals for each device. In > Shrewsbury's case, the gear they now use doesn't require the filters, so I > split the incoming cable using the town's original 1:3 splitter, connected > one output to an amplified splitter (Radio Shack) to provide analog to the > rest of the house (via additional splitters - everything is configured as > what's called a "home-run" to the basement), and connected each of the other > two outputs to the digital box and phone/cable modem respectively. The tech > from Shrewsbury had no problem with this configuration because if you want > independent digital signals, you need two or more digital tuners. If you > want to see what this looks like, I'll send a link to pics on picassaweb. > > Since I have finished the basement as something of a Pub, I have a little TV > mounted in a corner above the bar. I am about to split the signal from the > digital box's output, in the same way as described above for the whole > house, so that both the larger TV and the "bar TV" can be driven by the one > digital tuner - the digital box output to the TV is analog. > > There is one very important issue to remember when playing "cable guy": > Avoid putting an amplified splitter, or even a cheap splitter, in-line > between your digital (or phone) gear and the outside world! These digital > devices are bi-directional and the amplifier is essentially a capacitor that > will block all but 60Hz(+/-) and will typically not allow return signals to > pass. Sometimes, a cheap splitter's internal configuration is such that the > return signal is degraded so much that it too is essentially blocked. > (Anyone who has had trouble using BSRs to control lights or other appliances > working on some outlets in the home, but not others, is fighting a similar > issue with the circuit panel being the culprit). You can buy cable amps > that will accommodate digital devices, but a good splitter was less > expensive the last time I checked. > > And one last tidbit... As of July (?) of this year, cable providers are now > required to allow you to purchase the digital box if you don't want to pay a > monthly rental fee. I'm not sure if you can be restricted to the one being > provided by the cable provider, or if they are required to support any > digital tuner the customer may have... This could be a savings if you have > several TVs because the typical monthly fee for a digital box is ~$8/month, > or ~ 100/yr. > > Later, > Steve > > > On 9/15/07, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > John Stoffel wrote: > > > Before we had a splitter in the analog cable, with one feed going to > > > the TV directly, the other going to the TiVo. This way we could watch > > > live TV (commercials and all!) when the TiVo was recording something > > > we wanted, but didn't want to watch at the moment. > > > > > > Now that we have digital cable, I don't think I'm going to be able to > > > do this anymore. Dammit. This is an oversight/gotcha that I didn't > > > realize. > > > > > > I'll see how much extra it will cost to get another digital set top > > > box, which I'll dedicate to my TiVo's use I think. :] I > > > dunno... maybe there's a way to do this. Anyone know for sure if the > > > Scientific Atlanta set top box has analog output of *all* channels, so > > > I can just tune up and down using the TV tunner? Even if I don't get > > > over channel 99 on there, I'd be ok with that. > > > > > > I suspect (strongly) that it doesn't work that way and that I'm > > > screwed, sorta. Not terrible actually, but annoying. > > > > Actually, it does. If you throw a splitter in, you'll find that all of > the > > analog signals are still there just as before. > > > > One thing you'll need to be aware of, though, is that depending on where > you > > put them, adding in too many splitters will now degrade the signal quality > for > > your phone as well as just your television picture, so make sure you give > the > > phone box priority. > > > > -- > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution > that > > WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL > Mencken > > GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > -- > Stephen C. Daukas > Engineer, Geoscientist, > Environmental Analyst > ________________________________________________ > - Please, before printing, think about the environment - > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

17 years

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2

by Caobin zhu

Hi, eric, i am interested in your #2 item, the SCSI pc. i am living in worcester, how can i go forwared to get it if it is still available. Thanks. caobin > From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2 > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:39:34 -0500 > > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Winter cleaning (Eric Martin) > 2. Re: Winter cleaning (Eric Martin) > 3. Re: Winter cleaning (Eric Martin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:38:33 -0500 > From: Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimwvJM6LpGR_0fTxsjxpX5P2v8cXSUYTd1_XE3F(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Will do. > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Henrique <nican(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > > Hello Eric, > > > > I have interest in the OpenGL book. Could you bring it to the next Wlug > > meeting? > > > > Henrique Polido. > > > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > >> I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. > >> It's all free, please take it if you can use it. > >> > >> Computers: > >> > >> Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly > >> > >> > >> 1. 2 CRTs (working) > >> 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive > >> 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan > >> / power supply > >> 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors > >> 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB > >> 6. More to come > >> > >> Books: > >> Interactive Computer Graphics > >> > >> http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… > >> > >> Fluency with Information Technology > >> > >> http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… > >> > >> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using > >> OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> > >> > >> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using > >> OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books > >> C Pocket Reference > >> > >> http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… > >> -- > >> Eric Martin > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > Eric Martin > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20110202/4cf94edd/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:39:10 -0500 > From: Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimMJsfDQTigL4F5G8a-1O_1N2odUET3onEO6fh2(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have a 300W 20PIN if you want, It's currently in a case and you're welcome > to both > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > I have a computer that needs a power supply, could you email me directly if > > you have a spare? > > > > Sent from my android wireless device. > > > > On Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. > > It's all free, please take it if you can use it. > > > > Computers: > > > > Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly > > > > > > 1. 2 CRTs (working) > > 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive > > 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan / > > power supply > > 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors > > 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB > > 6. More to come > > > > Books: > > Interactive Computer Graphics > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… > > > > Fluency with Information Technology > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… > > > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> > > > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books > > C Pocket Reference > > > > http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… > > -- > > Eric Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > Eric Martin > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20110202/24df222f/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:39:31 -0500 > From: Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTi=OJ5QVYt=Bk4AqtHtv280pyVgFgiv_tSpwC+aQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Sorry, that went already > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > I could use the 1U too for my distcc compile farm, but only if no one else > > wants it. > > > > On Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. > > It's all free, please take it if you can use it. > > > > Computers: > > > > Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly > > > > > > 1. 2 CRTs (working) > > 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive > > 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan / > > power supply > > 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors > > 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB > > 6. More to come > > > > Books: > > Interactive Computer Graphics > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… > > > > Fluency with Information Technology > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… > > > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> > > > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books > > C Pocket Reference > > > > http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… > > -- > > Eric Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > Eric Martin > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20110202/cbc9979f/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2 > ***********************************

13 years, 7 months

Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters

by albutler33＠netscape.net

Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters problem Andy, b) Any recruiter who abuses the list by failing to ask permission prior to posting, or by an excessive volume of emails, will be asked to stop (including removal from the membership list if necessary). How would you define excessive? Al Butler -----Original Message----- From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Sent: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:19 am Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 44, Issue 10 Send Wlug mailing list submissions to wlug(a)mail.wlug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org You can reach the person managing the list at wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA (Tal Cohen) 2. Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Andy Stewart) 3. Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Andy Stewart) 4. Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Chuck Anderson) 5. Re: JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA (Mark Richards) 6. Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Andy Stewart) 7. Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Mike Leo) 8. Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Andy Stewart) 9. Re: JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA (Keith Wright) Attached Message From: Tal Cohen <wlug(a)cohen123.com> To: 'Jamie Guinan' <guinan(a)bluebutton.com>; 'Worcester Linux Users Group' <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:12:46 -0400 So, here is a question: What are the guidelines for posting a relevant job opening to this group? My reason for asking is because the company that I work for is about to open a few reqs, and I want to get the bounty :) Seriously (although I do want the bounty), the positions will be appropriate for the group. Thanks, Tal -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Guinan Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:59 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA > The information transmitted in this email is intended only for the person(s= > ) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or pr= > ivileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use o= > f, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or= > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received = > this email in error, please contact the sender and permanently delete the e= > mail from any computer. Delete the email... from *any* computer? "Pardon me Fred, I need to borrow your PC for a few minutes..." -Jamie _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Attached Message From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:00:53 -0400 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, Tal Cohen wrote: > So, here is a question: What are the guidelines for > posting a relevant job > opening to this group? This is a very good question! In general, I personally frown upon random recruiters posting job openings on the WLUG mailing list, especially when they don't have the courtesy of asking permission. Having the list as writable only by list members helps to keep this type of email traffic minimized. However, there have been a couple of recruiters in the past who asked permission prior to posting, which I did grant (John Spencer is one such individual). I specifically asked John to preface his subject with "JOB" or "JOBS" so people could filter accordingly, and he has done what was asked. Also, John's posts have been very Linux relevant IMHO. In the interest of fair disclosure, I've worked with John in the past and my employer has hired people represented by him. I have also had recruiters send the job posting to me, asking me to forward it to the list. If relevant, I forward the post, but sometimes I have deleted them if I thought they were not relevant. Having said all of that, I recognize that this mailing list belongs to all of us and not just to me. At any time, we as a group can choose to change our policy. Admittedly, even if every recruiter who posted asked permission and used the "JOB" subject, the volume of email could become more than we'd like. To date, this has not happened. I have not yet heard anybody complain about a group member posting a relevant job opening for their employer. In today's particular case, I suspect that if the recruiter were informed of our policy, he would be happy to comply. Although it is our email list, how we react on the list is a reflection of the group as a whole. In summary, I propose the following for your consideration: a) Recruiters who wish to post to the WLUG mailing list need to request permission to do so, and if granted, preface the subject with "JOB" so people can filter accordingly. As acting president, I presume that the permission would be granted by me. b) Any recruiter who abuses the list by failing to ask permission prior to posting, or by an excessive volume of emails, will be asked to stop (including removal from the membership list if necessary). c) Group members may post relevant job openings as long as they preface the subject with "JOB". I invite constructive discussion on the proposal, and counter proposals if appropriate. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGdxy1Hl0iXDssISsRAuEzAJ9BjH5OEKb2KczS2uST4Y1F4p0VSACcDbNf SShrPI1odk0K9WH68GLiSBA= =jOVI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Attached Message From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:23:39 -0400 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andy Stewart wrote: > In summary, I propose the following for your consideration: > > a) Recruiters who wish to post to the WLUG mailing list need to request > permission to do so, and if granted, preface the subject with "JOB" so > people can filter accordingly. As acting president, I presume that the > permission would be granted by me. I just thought of something. When a person who is not a list member attempts to post a message to the group, the email is sent to the list moderator for approval. This is currently Frank Sweetser (and I think Chuck Anderson, also). In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to implement our group policy. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGdyILHl0iXDssISsRAgNmAJsGz/nTV+HCanWwh3V/ZZQ38r7M/QCfZXtD GuE/sWwnwCdq4pIDU7/k4LQ= =UUDG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Attached Message From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:25:44 -0400 On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:23:39PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a > group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to > implement our group policy. The problem in this case was that the user subscribed to the list, and then immediately sent the JOB posting. So he was already a "group member". Attached Message From: Mark Richards <mark.richards(a)massmicro.com> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:13:04 -0400 Tal Cohen wrote:? > So, here is a question: What are the guidelines for posting a relevant job? > opening to this group? My guess is that policy need not be set if participants would exercise basic courtesy: ask first.? ? You did that. Good show.? ? /m? ? ? Attached Message From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:42:22 -0400 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:23:39PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >> In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a >> group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to >> implement our group policy. > > The problem in this case was that the user subscribed to the list, and > then immediately sent the JOB posting. So he was already a "group > member". Yes, and I have a couple of thoughts on that. 1) I believe this is the first time a recruiter has done this, but I could be wrong. 2) We as a group have every right to determine what is acceptable email on the list. In my opinion, if any group member abuses the list, they should be first asked to stop and then have their privileges revoked if they continue to abuse the list. The post did mention Linux, it did have "JOB" in the subject, however, the recruiter did not ask permission to use our list. Is that sufficient cause for immediate revocation from the list? Perhaps so, perhaps not - you tell me. I don't recall anybody asking this particular recruiter to stop doing what he did. We should revoke with care. If done harshly, it could damage the group reputation. 3) I opened the topic for discussion because I want to be sure that folks who are normally less vocal on the group mailing list have a chance to air their opinions. 4) The end result of these discussions should be posted on the website as a group policy so guests to our mailing list will understand what we expect of them. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGdyZuHl0iXDssISsRAqF1AJwKnQMShnVbgX0A1x5ebbL3pUcESACfTn0H pQOtgCZU7i/Zbd/muSg7r20= =2oDQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Attached Message From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Does a job posting really warrant this much discussion? I know I haven't participated much lately, but the emails discussing the spam job posting have been more spam-like than the original possible spam posting. spamspamspamspamspamspamspameggsspam. Anyway, I also posted a job posting earlier today.? Hope I did not break the rules. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:25:44 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:23:39PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a > group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to > implement our group policy. The problem in this case was that the user subscribed to the list, and then immediately sent the JOB posting.??So he was already a "group member". _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Attached Message From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:51:44 -0400 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Leo wrote: > Does a job posting really warrant this much discussion? Hi Mike, Normally, no, but this subject has come up before, and I'd like to settle it. > > I know I haven't participated much lately, but the emails discussing the > spam job posting have been more spam-like than the original possible > spam posting. > > spamspamspamspamspamspamspameggsspam. > > Anyway, I also posted a job posting earlier today. Hope I did not break > the rules. I had no problem with your post. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGdyigHl0iXDssISsRAjjaAJ4hUy5DyPm+W+KMaIlIPZGWFgCWKQCeKB0N jLDlWHyrQIYtUo2Cz8+qMn8= =WdEA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Attached Message From: Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:12:08 -0400 > From: "Tal Cohen" <wlug(a)cohen123.com> > > What are the guidelines for posting > a relevant job opening to this group? Don't be a lamer. I am tempted to leave it there. True Lamers will never know who they are, but here are some guides to How To Be A Lamer. 1. Never come to a meeting. 2. Subscribe to the list for the sole purpose of posting your advertisement. 3. Fail the Turing Test by using cliches to indicate that your message was auto-generated by a computer or marketing manager. 4. Do not write any introductory remarks that might show your message is intended for the WLUG list, rather than every list in known space. There are, of course, many other possible lame actions. Note that I have no actual power over any list messages other than my own, and so my opinions are worthless except in so far as others agree with them. -- Keith _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.

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