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Re: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show

by Yury I Vashugin

matthew, if we're doing it i'll give you a ride..... yury On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:05:43 -0400 Matthew Kwiatkowski <mskwik(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > I think this sounds like it's turning into an interesting idea. I > would > be willing to help out as a cameraman or something behind the > scenes, > and I do have a laptop with video out, but I would need a ride from > campus to the studio. I will also be home on break the week of the > 21st, so I can't make that night. > > -Matthew Kwiatkowski > > On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 13:39, Yury I Vashugin wrote: > > tim, > > it seems like we don't have enough people to run the show. maybe > > different date and time would be more appropriate for > people(depending, > > of course, on the studio availability)... > > first, we need people to produce the show. it's a commitment of > half an > > hour ones? a month.(could be ones in two months) is there anyone > who > > would like to join the venture? > > second, we need a qualified show host who will lead the show and > > interview guests. i'm a new to linux and i would not dare to > discuss it > > with my expertize. > > third, there is little problem with scan converter which can be > replaced > > by a notebook with a video output. > > a tape of the show will be available immediately after the show > and can > > be broadcast on any channel(depending on the amount of money, > sponsorship > > etc; public access channels are free). also it's a good learning > tool > > which can be multiplied and offered to the public. i still > remember a > > hot discussion on wlug about introducing linux in public schools. > i was > > astonished to see how college students buy c compilers for windows > to do > > their homework for unix/c class. isn't it something? > > they know about linux but, o boy, they're scared of it!!!(wow, > wow- i'm > > not talking about wpi students) > > good point was brought by goug. we need to know what audience we > are > > going to target and where. if we start the show with linux > introduction > > and discuss the difference between linux and commonly used > operating > > systems, to get people intrigued, and continuously refer people to > 'that > > show' then they'll know the connection, how to obtain previous > > educational tapes etc. > > yury > > ps keep forgeting to indicate the studio location- shewsbury > media > > connection, parker rd. > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:40:51 -0400 Andy Stewart > <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > > writes: > > > On Tuesday 14 October 2003 12:55 pm, Yury I Vashugin wrote: > > > > hi, everyone. > > > > since we talked about producing an educational show about > linux > > > and > > > > putting it 'in-the-air' at the last wlug meeting and i saw a > very > > > > enthusiastic response so i've reserved the studio for > oct.21(see > > > below). > > > > there's a problem with a converter but i'm sure we can find a > > > > laptop with > > > > a video output. > > > > > > HI everybody, > > > > > > I'm still quite enthusiastic about this opportunity, but > > > unfortunately I > > > cannot make it on October 21st (Tuesday is generally a bad night > for > > > me). I > > > will be looking forward to reading the e-mails from people who > do > > > make it on > > > that date. > > > > > > Please keep us posted! > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > -- > > > Andy Stewart, Founder > > > Worcester Linux Users' Group > > > Worcester, MA USA > > > http://www.wlug.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

20 years, 10 months

Re: Uptime!

by Mike Peckar

According to the Guiness Book of World records, The computer system that has been in continual operation for the longest period is the Computer Command System (CCS) onboard NASA's *Voyager 2* spacecraft. This system has been in continuous operation since the spacecraft's launch on 20 August 1977. Voyager 1's CCS uptime trails it by a couple of weeks and both are still going. Each Voyager has two CCSs, two Flight Data System (FDS) computers and two Attitude and Articulation Control System (AACS) computers, but the FDS & AACS do not operate continuously. The CCS's have two 18-bit word, interrupt type processors with 4096 words each of non-volatile plated wire memory amounting to 69.63 kilobytes. They execute about 81,000 instructions per second and transmit data back to Earth at 160 bits per second. They were originally programmed in Fortran 5. Mike On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:32 PM Jon "maddog" Hall < jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Mike, > > Believe it or not, both VMS and Digital Unix systems were the same way. > They would go months and years without rebooting. > > The US Navy had two hospital ships, the "Mercy" and the "Hope". One > stationed on the East Coast and one in San Diego. The one on the East > Coast used WNT for the servers and the one in San Diego used GNU/Linux. > The ship using WNT had to have twice as many servers as the one in San > Diego because the Navy rules said that a WNT server HAD to be rebooted > every 30 days, whereas there was no such requirement for GNU/Linux. Since > a Naval deployment could last longer than 30 days, and since they needed > the server services to be up constantly that whole time, they needed twice > as many WNT servers. > > md > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mike Peckar via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Fun Story, Maddog. Around 20 yrs ago I was consulting for Bloomberg in >> Skillman, NJ, a big Solaris shop. The HP app I was working with bellied up >> with memory leaks and I suggested they reboot that server. I was told flat >> out they don't reboot Solaris servers period. They cleaned up the mess and >> isolated where in the HP code that the pointer was lost, leaving me the >> not-so-fun task of filing the bug report with HP. >> >> Mike >> >> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 7:39 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >>> Tim, >>> >>> What was the reason for shutting it down? >>> >>> This reminds me of a story from years ago where a young friend contacted >>> me before a trip to the University of New Hampshire for a Linux LUG meeting. >>> >>> He asked me if I would go to a particular dorm and knock on the door of >>> what had been his door room. I was to ask if I could unplug the box that >>> was in the corner of the closet in the room. The system had been running >>> for five years in his former dorm room and he had forgotten the login >>> password. He did not want the machine back, just wanted it unplugged. >>> >>> A young woman answered the door, heard my explanation and let me unplug >>> the machine. "We were afraid to unplug it" she said. >>> >>> Your machine beat his machine on uptime. >>> >>> md >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 5:07 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! >>>> It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! >>>> Tim. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>>> constituents as "consumers". >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PW3ML… >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KSUVD… >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZZZSN… >> >

2 years, 4 months

RE: Wlug Digest, Vol 19, Issue 9 - 21" monitors

by albutler33＠netscape.net

wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: >Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > >You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] glut of 21" monitors >Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:21:19 -0400 >From: Frank Moody <fmoody-ug-wlug(a)moodman.org> >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 04:19:04PM -0400, Doug Mildram wrote: >> doug> This may not have any appeal but : >> >> My Westborough MA office needs to give away quite a few (dozen or more) of >> >> 21" NEC Accusync 1999-2000 vintage >> or >> 21" ViewSonic G810 1997-1998 vintage >> >> Free and Good. (The Not-So-Good ones, I'll dispose of elsewhere. >> I won't dump fuzzy, burned-in, or bad ones into your hands. ) >> Frank, Please reserve one of the good ones (free as in free beer) for me.I would like to pick it up before 12 noon tomorrow (Thursday 5-19) if I could.Otherwise I might not be able to come until Friday.Please tell me where in Westborough your company is located. Al Butler albutler33(a)netscape.net >> ==================== >> >> One final "gem" : There's a Frank ???? on this wlug list >> who I recall had a toshiba portege laptop: >> Sorry I never snagged your full name/addr! >> Need another Portege 71xx DVD/enet dock station? >> >> ================================================================ >> Doug Mildram Mindspeed Technologies ><SNIP> > > I think I'm the Frank with the portege (actually have two, 7200CTe >and a 7220CTe). Sure, I'll take the docking station, just let me know what >the part number is so I can confirm it is the right one. > > I'd also like a few of the 21"s, preferrably the G810s and matched >sets of two. I'd be interested in anywhere from one up to a half dozen of >them... Dual monitor setups are usually hard to upgrade on a limited >budget. *chuckle* > > Double luck since it looks like the Worcester Co-op will take donations > of whatever monitors get replaced... > > Now I just need to double check that the desk will take the new weight... > >Frank Moody > > > > > > >Subject: [Wlug] Share a Ride from Leominster? >Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:43:46 -0400 >From: Frank Moody <fmoody-ug-wlug(a)moodman.org> >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Anybody mind lending me a lift to the WLUG meeting Thursday from >Leominster? > >Frank >(Who is loving the situation of sorting out a registration paperwork error in >California from the other side of the country...) > > >Subject: [Wlug] Re: glut of 21" monitors >Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:15:55 -0700 (PDT) >From: Norm Legare <normlegare(a)yahoo.com> >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >When and where can these be looked at? I'd be interested in a couple. > >Norm >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:19:04 -0400 >> From: Doug Mildram <doug.mildram(a)mindspeed.com> >> Subject: [Wlug] glut of 21" monitors >> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> Message-ID: <20050517201904.GA15175(a)dogbert.westboro.mindspeed.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> doug> This may not have any appeal but : >> >> My Westborough MA office needs to give away quite a few (dozen or >> more) of >> >> 21" NEC Accusync 1999-2000 vintage >> or >> 21" ViewSonic G810 1997-1998 vintage >> >> Free and Good. (The Not-So-Good ones, I'll dispose of elsewhere. >> I won't dump fuzzy, burned-in, or bad ones into your >> hands. ) >> >> ==================== >> >> One final "gem" : There's a Frank ???? on this wlug list >> who I recall had a toshiba portege laptop: >> Sorry I never snagged your full name/addr! >> Need another Portege 71xx DVD/enet dock station? >> >> ================================================================ >> Doug Mildram Mindspeed Technologies >> 8 Technology Drive ( near EMC, 495 and route 9 ) >> Westborough, MA 01581 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >=== message truncated === > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > >Subject: [Wlug] Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 19, Issue 8 >Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:51:23 -0400 >From: joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >I would also like to get two of the 21" monitors if they are still left. > >Thanks, > >Joel Desrochers > > > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

19 years, 3 months

Re: [Wlug] (no subject)

by John Stoffel

Tim> Here's my .02 cents on building a machine. I'm going to chime in here as well with my thoughts on system building options. 0. Motherboard. - integrated vs discrete graphics. This is a toughie. For a home server, I'd go integrated. Heck, I'd try to get something with a serial console so I could manage it without a KVM, since ideally the system will be headless most of the time and just serving data, etc. - PS/2 mouse/keyboard ports or all USB? Depends on what you have and whether you're replacing it all or using existing stuff. - PCIe slots. - unless you game, don't bother with lots of x16 slots, maybe two, but get as many slots as you can. If you have legacy PCI cards you want to use, that's another factor. Think long term expandability. Remember that PCIe x1 cards will fit in x4,8,16 slots, they just won't get the performance advantage. Doesn't go the other way though. - SATA ports on board. I'd get a bunch if I can, since if you ever load up the system with lots of drives, you want to put off the day you need a PCIe SATA board. This is why I like x4 or x8 slots for the future. 0b. Network Gigabit by default. Upgrade your home switch too. If you can, get dual Gig ports, but don't sweat it too much otherwise. - skip wireless for a desktop, unless you absolutely need to put it somehwere with only power access. Then get an 802.11n card for the system and upgrade your Access Point (AP) as well. Tim> 1. Memory. You can never have too much of it. I'd say try to Tim> get a board that'll do 8GB with the expectation you'll be there Tim> at some point. Absolutely. Spending more on memory is a better idea than more on a slightly faster CPU. Don't sweat DDR2 vs DDR3 at this time unless you're seriously number crunching. Tim> 2. CPU: go duel at a minimum. If you could swing a quad I'd say Tim> go for it. Dual. Sorry, being pedantic. But I agree. I also lean heavily towards AMD because I like that they've been doing documentation drops on their GPUs, and because I want CPU vendor competition, not just one vendor. But as a suggestion, graph CPU speed vs $$$ for a family of systems and look for the sweet spot, which is where the price goes up sharply for just a small gain in speed. Do the same for the number of cores, and put them on the same graph. Think about cache, etc. Right now, the Triple Core AMD X2s looks nice. For a set amount of $$$, I'd personally go with more cores vs higher speed. Also, NEVER overclock. It's just not worth it. Yeah, it makes you feel studly, but esp for a home server, you want stability and low power draw, since it will be on all the time. Oh yeah, think about power disappation. Try to get the lowest wattage parts you can. Another reason why more cores, slower clock freq and lower thermals can be a win. Again, think about whether you really need to spend $100 more to get 200 Mhz of speed. Think how much memory you could buy instead! Or disk space. Tim> 3. Video card: Get something that will do HDMI and is capable of Tim> duel head. I've got a Nvidia GeForce 8400 GS with 512MB of video Tim> memory and it cost me a whopping 40 dollars! The thing to think about is whether you go Dual HDMI, or one VGA and one HDMI. Or do you get Dual HDMI and an HDMI->VGA adaptor. One slot or two? Fanless or big honking fan? If you're not playing games, getting a video card which will have good opensource support is my metric. Go AMD. Also, quiet is nice. Tim> 4. Harddrives: If your going to spring for 1, go ahead and buy Tim> two and then mirror them. Mirrored drives have now saved my ass Tim> on three occasions. Hear hear! It's almost tempting to get an USB thumbdrive to boot from, and the two disks are just a mirror MD RAID setup, with LVM on top. Around $100/per drive is a sweet spot, you can get two 1Tb drives mirrored. Nice. Tim> 5. Case: Honestly I like cases that don't resemble a disco under Tim> my desk. I'm also fond of 120mm case fans. They move a shit Tim> load of air and are quiet. I've gotten and been really happy with the CoolerMaster Centurion 5 all black case without any windows. Lots of bays, nice clean design, plenty of IO ports up front to use with USB/Firewire. Tim> Power Supply: I wouldn't go smaller than a 350W. If you ever Tim> decide to suddenly add two more drives or a burner, nothing sucks Tim> more than your power supply being the weak link. Go with a quiet and energy efficient one if you can. Tim> 6. OS: Do it yourself. I'm not sure if Ubuntu will let you Tim> mirror drives at install, I know the Red Hat family of distros Tim> will. Doing your own install will at least give you an explicit Tim> understanding of what packages you've installed. Heck we could Tim> probably make a meeting out of helping you install and tweak your Tim> machine! Absolutely. Have fun with the system. John

15 years, 1 month

Meey

by kpoisant＠gmail.com

Its thursday night any one interested in grabbing a drink or meeting up? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2009, at 12:00 PM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: web hosting? (Theo Van Dinter) > 2. [SPF:fail] Re: web hosting? (Andre Lehovich) > 3. Re: web hosting? (Nick Nassar) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:46:06 -0500 > From: Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] web hosting? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <f35e9da80911100746v62cd8540m7641d17159c57589(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Just curious, why do you want it to be local? If it's a random host > out on the Internet, locality probably doesn't matter much unless > latency is an issue for you. > > And what do you mean by local? Are you limiting to just Worcester > area, or Eastern MA, or New England, or Eastern US, or ...? ;) > > You can get a VPS pretty cheap, I seem to recall prices of ~$35/month > for a small instance in NYC w/ 100-200G/month transfer. > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> > wrote: >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a cheap, relatively >> Apache/MySQL/PHP web and POP/IMAP email host? Preferably someplace >> local. It >> doesn?t have to be too powerful. A few gigabytes of storage space >> and max >> bandwidth in the range of tens of gigabytes per month. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:14:31 -0500 > From: Andre Lehovich <Andre.Lehovich(a)gmx.com> > Subject: [Wlug] [SPF:fail] Re: web hosting? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4AF99167.8020907(a)gmx.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >> You can get a VPS pretty cheap, I seem to recall prices of ~$35/month >> for a small instance in NYC w/ 100-200G/month transfer. > > Linode.com is $20/month for Xen VPS w/ good specs. They get rave > reviews, though I've never used their service. > > I've seen posts on lowendbox.com mentioning VPS deals as low as $3/ > month. > > I'm currently using pairlite.com for shared hosting (FreeBSD). So far > no problems. I'm considering switching to nearlyfreespeech.net, > because > their metered pricing looks to be cheaper for my usage. > > --Andre > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:32:47 -0500 > From: "Nick Nassar" <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] web hosting? > To: "'Worcester Linux Users Group'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <6CCB952F64B34E0D99EF0B68BE34A821(a)WCCATV13.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > By "local" I guess I really mean small enough that I can get a real > person if there's an issue, even if it's email support only. I've > had bad luck with large web hosts like Dreamhost and 1and1 in the > past. Most of the time they're excellent, but when there is an issue > tech support is unresponsive and it takes days to get it resolved. > It's been a few years since I've shopped around, and maybe that's > not as much of an issue anymore. > > I'm leaning towards a hosted solution, rather than VPS. Someone else > can worry about keeping up to date with security updates for Linux > and Apache. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] > On Behalf Of Theo Van Dinter > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:46 AM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] web hosting? > > Just curious, why do you want it to be local? If it's a random host > out on the Internet, locality probably doesn't matter much unless > latency is an issue for you. > > And what do you mean by local? Are you limiting to just Worcester > area, or Eastern MA, or New England, or Eastern US, or ...? ;) > > You can get a VPS pretty cheap, I seem to recall prices of ~$35/month > for a small instance in NYC w/ 100-200G/month transfer. > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> > wrote: >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a cheap, relatively >> Apache/MySQL/PHP web and POP/IMAP email host? Preferably someplace >> local. It >> doesn?t have to be too powerful. A few gigabytes of storage space >> and max >> bandwidth in the range of tens of gigabytes per month. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 73, Issue 9 > ***********************************

14 years, 10 months

Re: [Wlug] upgrading suse 7.2 to 8.1

by Gregory Avedissian

Doug, Thanks for the info and the link. As it turns out, the personal version is missing about 120 packages out of what I have installed. I recognized about 30 of them, and the download time is prohibitive. I need to get the pro version on cd. Meanwhile, I really wanted to know if XFree 4.x would work with my card, so I took a spare hard drive and installed debian woody. I installed xfree 4.1 and had to add the 3DLabs driver from xf3.3.6. Apparentlly, there's software to make driver work with the new version, and it works well. I no longer get little squares and dashes instead of letters on some programs. Makes it much easier to figure out which buttons to click when you can read the words. I'd tried debian a couple months ago and was unhappy with the installation process. Someone on this list suggested installing just the base system and then using apt-get to install the other packages I wanted. That seems to work out very well with almost everything (not ALSA). The other reason I wanted to upgrade was to be able to run a newer version of mozilla with junk mail controls. I'm using 1.4, and the junk filters work pretty well. In fact, they work so well that I haven't wanted to boot suse to get my mail. That's part of the reason it's taken me so long to get back to you on this. Thanks again, Greg doug waud wrote: > Hi > > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >> I'm getting ready to upgrade from SuSE 7.2 to 8.1, and I have a little >> confusion and some questions. >> >> I'm going from 7.2 pro edition to 8.1 personal edition. Any ideas >> what's missing in the personal edition? > > > Up to version 7 SuSE used to list this comparison right on the box. Your > old 7.2 box should give a reasonably good idea of what the general > differnces are. The URL will give the same for 9 > http://www.suse.de/en/private/products/suse_linux/i386/packages.html > I could not find the equivalent for 8.x :-( > >> Attempting to replace what is installed, I get a list of conflicts, >> with advice to delete the old program, even if they don't have a >> replacement. I was surprised to see that balsa and gftp were listed >> as not having newer versions. Is this because they're not on the >> personal edition? I know they exist, because they're available at rpmfind > > > I am running 8.2 on this notebook I am writing on now and locate comes > up with both balsa and gftp (under Yast as uninstalled) so I suspect > they are just not on the personal edition. Also the 9.0 URL above > explicitly lists both in the professional and neither in the personal > edition. > >> The real issue - >> XFree 4.x doesn't seem to want to recognize my ELSA GLoria-L video >> card. Sax2 will run in 640x480 only, and I can't get it to run with >> the glint driver (the one that's supposed to work with this card). I >> tried doing this with the SuSE 8.2 evaluation disk, and I'm running >> into the same problems I had when I tried to upgrade to XFree 4.1 >> about a month ago. >> >> So here's the question - >> Can I upgrade to 8.1 without upgrading XFree? Better yet, if I upgrade >> the XFree, and it doesn't work, is there an easy way to return to the >> older version by using the CD's. Or do I have to manually back up >> /usr/X11R6 and /etc/X11 first, and then recopy them to get back to the >> older version? Will the rest of the SuSE 8.1 be pissed off about >> using XFree 3.3.6? > > > I am "underwhelmed" by Sax2's ability to get XFree right. I have just > been upgrading my desktop to SuSE 8.2 and the screen was all screwed up. > I finally went into /etc/X11/XF86Config and found that it seemed to > think my 1Meg video memory (I'm the last of the big time spenders!} was > 8 Meg. > I just put a VideoRam 1024 in the Device section, dd'd a couple of > 1280x1024 modes, defaulted to 8bit color depth, and X then ran fine. > > I believe you always have the choice of running either 4.x or 3.x but > confess I forget how you tell the beast which one to use. :-). I would > be very suprised if you could not get 4.x to work, but if that really > turns out to be the case, let me know and I'll root around and see if I > can recall the trick for forcing ti to use 3.x. > >> I suppose I could change the vid card, but I'd rather not spend any >> money, > > > That's my sort of guy! > >> and since this one is listed as working, I'd like to be able to get it >> to work. > > > And, as indicated above, you should be able to. > > doug > > PS The WLUG meeting tonight is a good place to get help from real > experts, for example, Andy Whatshisname, and others more knowledgable > than I. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

20 years, 9 months

Re: Uptime!

by Jon "maddog" Hall

I had not heard of Fortran 5 (or Fortran V) and a half-hearted search of the Internet did not find anything. Do you have any pointers to it? Thanks, md On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 18:09 Mike Peckar <mpeckar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > According to the Guiness Book of World records, The computer system that > has been in continual operation for the longest period is the Computer > Command System (CCS) onboard NASA's *Voyager 2* spacecraft. This system > has been in continuous operation since the spacecraft's launch on 20 August > 1977. Voyager 1's CCS uptime trails it by a couple of weeks and both are > still going. > > Each Voyager has two CCSs, two Flight Data System (FDS) computers and two > Attitude and Articulation Control System (AACS) computers, but the FDS & > AACS do not operate continuously. The CCS's have two 18-bit word, interrupt > type processors with 4096 words each of non-volatile plated wire memory > amounting to 69.63 kilobytes. They execute about 81,000 instructions per > second and transmit data back to Earth at 160 bits per second. They were > originally programmed in Fortran 5. > > Mike > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:32 PM Jon "maddog" Hall < > jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> Believe it or not, both VMS and Digital Unix systems were the same way. >> They would go months and years without rebooting. >> >> The US Navy had two hospital ships, the "Mercy" and the "Hope". One >> stationed on the East Coast and one in San Diego. The one on the East >> Coast used WNT for the servers and the one in San Diego used GNU/Linux. >> The ship using WNT had to have twice as many servers as the one in San >> Diego because the Navy rules said that a WNT server HAD to be rebooted >> every 30 days, whereas there was no such requirement for GNU/Linux. Since >> a Naval deployment could last longer than 30 days, and since they needed >> the server services to be up constantly that whole time, they needed twice >> as many WNT servers. >> >> md >> >> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mike Peckar via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Fun Story, Maddog. Around 20 yrs ago I was consulting for Bloomberg in >>> Skillman, NJ, a big Solaris shop. The HP app I was working with bellied up >>> with memory leaks and I suggested they reboot that server. I was told flat >>> out they don't reboot Solaris servers period. They cleaned up the mess and >>> isolated where in the HP code that the pointer was lost, leaving me the >>> not-so-fun task of filing the bug report with HP. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 7:39 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Tim, >>>> >>>> What was the reason for shutting it down? >>>> >>>> This reminds me of a story from years ago where a young friend >>>> contacted me before a trip to the University of New Hampshire for a Linux >>>> LUG meeting. >>>> >>>> He asked me if I would go to a particular dorm and knock on the door of >>>> what had been his door room. I was to ask if I could unplug the box that >>>> was in the corner of the closet in the room. The system had been running >>>> for five years in his former dorm room and he had forgotten the login >>>> password. He did not want the machine back, just wanted it unplugged. >>>> >>>> A young woman answered the door, heard my explanation and let me unplug >>>> the machine. "We were afraid to unplug it" she said. >>>> >>>> Your machine beat his machine on uptime. >>>> >>>> md >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 5:07 PM Tim Keller via WLUG < >>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! >>>>> It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! >>>>> Tim. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>>>> constituents as "consumers". >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>>> Change Settings: >>>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PW3ML… >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KSUVD… >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZZZSN… >>> >>

2 years, 4 months

Re: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ...

by Randall Mason

The long and short of this is that you need to figure out what the sound looks like. Is it a simple sound that's easy to differentiate by just choosing the highest peak on an FFT? If your doorbell has a peak at 10khz and your dryer has a peak at 5khz, it should be pretty easy to do if 4.9khz < max(fft(audiodata)) < 5.1khz then dryer; if 9.9khz < max(fft(audiodata)) < 10.1khz then doorbell. Most likely it's not going to be that easy. Also there is the possibility that the dryer manufacturer and the doorbell manufacturer used the same component for the buzzer and it's going to be mathematically the same sound pattern, but differ on harmonics blocked by the room. You could need to use the whole fft of the sound, recorded at many different locations in the house and then use nearest neighbor for the convolution of the "new" sound with the old sound and then compared to a database of previous sounds. You would need a large database of example sounds to compare with. Probably at least 100 examples of each sound that would go off and then you would need to set a threshold of "closeness" so that you don't always detect new sounds as one of the old sounds. If this didn't work, then you may have to go with a hefty fingerprint like chromaprint or echoprint. Those would give you so much info about not just the frequencies, but also the rhythm of the sounds. Like maybe your dryer and your oven have the same frequency pattern because the manufacturers used the same buzzer, but they pulse them differently. That's one advantage to these full fingerprint libraries. And somebody else did the science, so you don't need to write a dissertation in DSP to be sure that you have some rigour to your approach. Chromaprint <http://acoustid.org/chromaprint> would be a good library to go with in that case. It's part of the acoustid project and has a great how it works <http://oxygene.sk/2011/01/how-does-chromaprint-work/> blog post for the acoustically curious. The problem would be that it's mainly developed for sounds as complex as music, so I don't know how it would work with a "buzz" noise. It's small enough and fast enough that it can happen quickly enough on a phone. That's how programs like shazam<http://www.shazam.com/>work. They make the fingerprint on the phone from a 10 second recording and push it to a server that processes it. Shazam has riddled the landscape with software patents, so chromaprint isn't a replacement for that, it's just close enough that it may work. Other things to look at: http://code.google.com/p/musicg/ - A java audio DSP library. Does fingerprinting and stuff. Echoprint has been ported to Android: https://github.com/gvsumasl/EchoprintForAndroid If you send me some example sounds, I can look at them in python or something and let you know what I think about different metrics that you could use to compare the sounds. Specifically a recording in a loss-less codec like flac or without compression like wav would be important because MP3 and such destroy parts of the audio waveform. 'Course I could just record my kitchen timer and let you know what it looks like... Your offer to do the programming is great, because I'm no app dev, but I do have some education and experience with signal processing. Randall Mason clashthebunny(a)gmail.com On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:20 AM, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net>wrote: > Tim, > > After your feedback and feedback received during the WLUG meeting, it > seems that > it is better to use something like an Arduino instead of a phone as the signal > processing > box. > > To that effect, I googled "arduino dsp" and got a whole lot of hits on DSP > shields for arduino > and on projects that illustrate how to write arduino sketches that > manipulate the stream. > > One possibility would be to have an Arduino with a DSP and a bluetooth > receiver. The bluetooth would communicate with a phone and/or a wearable. > The phone would tell the arduino what sounds to look for - that is, > provide signatures that should be matched. The wearable and/or the phone > would be used to give the event to the user. I think that this > configuration along with a battery could be configured to fit in a small > fanny pack. > > The arduino could also use zig-bee to communicate with a home automation > system and pass events to the phone/wearable. > > Hmmm, I think we are on to something. > > -David > > On 12/12/2012 08:33 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > > I would have to imagine having your phone listen to ambient sound and > then filter looking for a whole range of specific sounds is basically > going to use all the phones processing power along with its ram... > > I have to imagine that not hearing the beep when the oven is done pre > heating must be annoying > > Not hearing the washing machine or the clothes dryer buzz would really > piss me off. > > imagine a box. On this box would be al led screen where you could > cycle through a menu and pick a input to listen to and report when > either that input starts or stops. > > In the case of a clothes dryer when the vibration sensor stops sensing > vibration, chances are good it's done. > > This box would also have plugs for things like a photo sensor you > could stick on the face of your stove right over the led for > preheating the oven. > > All of this stuff could be tied back to your phone that would vibrate > and sent an sms message. Possibly you could tie it in with a home > automation system to flash lights, etc. > > Just some ideas. > > Tim. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

11 years, 9 months

Enterprise Linux Forum - Special Offer for Linux User Groups

by Andy Stewart

Hi Everybody, On Dec. 3 and 4, 2002, the Enterprise Linux Forum will be held at the Boston Marriot (Copley Place) in Boston, MA. We have been offered a $200 discount for WLUG members who attend the event. If you want more information, read below that which was sent to me. If you wish to go and can't read the attachments, send me e-mail. Later, Andy ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Enterprise Linux Forum - Special Offer for Linux User Groups Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:27:15 -0500 From: Juliet Sigmann <jsigmann(a)jupitermedia.com> To: andystewart(a)attbi.com Andy, I hope you do not think it too forward of me to send you this e-mail, but I came across Worcester Linux Users Group while researching Linux associations and user group sites. My company, Jupitermedia, has developed a conference that I believe will be of interest to you and other members of Worcester Linux Users Group . The name of the event is Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo. For complete details on this event, visit http://www.enterpriselinuxforum.com I would like to offer Worcester Linux Users Group members a $200 discount to attend the Enterprise Linux Forum. Registrations processed by November 19th save an additional $100 off the regular conference price. The conference offers 1-Day, 2-Day, and Expo Pass (free) passes to the event. This e-mail is not a "sales call", but is a win-win business proposition. We are seeking to drive attendance at this first time (albeit world-class) event. We can offer you and other Worcester Linux Users Group members a world class event that touches on a number of subjects via 4 comprehensive tracks that I believe would be of interest to your group such as Linux in the Datacenter; Clustered and Distributed Computing; Operations, Management and Infrastructure; and Application, Storage and Information Management. Scroll below for the complete line-up of speakers and topics to be highlighted at this event. As the conference brochure (attached in PDF format) relates, this event is set to run December 3-4, 2002 at the Boston Marriott Copley Place in Boston, MA. Currently, the event is sponsored by Red Hat (Premier Sponsor), BMC Software, Computer Associates, Dell, Egenera, IBM, NeTraverse, Oracle, Sun Microsystems, SuSE Linux, Ximian, and more. Additional supporters of the event include: Illuminata (Premier Analyst Sponsor) and association sponsors Free Standards Group, GNOME Foundation, Linux International, and Open Source Development Lab. Media sponsors include, Capterra, HostingTech, IT Toolbox, Linux Journal, and OutsourcingCentral.com. Visit the event web site at www.enterpriselinuxforum.com for the most up-to-date listing of speakers, session descriptions, sponsors, and exhibitors. Again, I would like to offer Worcester Linux Users Group members a $200 discount to attend the Enterprise Linux Forum. As you can see from the number and quality of sponsors and speakers, this is a first rate event. I have attached with this e-mail a fax back registration form with the $200 discount as well as some copy that you could include in an email newsletter to you members or your web site. In order for your members to take advantage of this $200 discount, they will need to use the priority code assigned in the fax back form or attached copy. Please call me directly if you have any comments or questions. Sincerely, Juliet Sigmann Marketing Manager Jupitermedia Corporation (formerly INT Media Group) 30 Lyman Street, Suite 8 Westboro, MA 01581 T: 508-870-5858 x119 F: 508-870-6521 eFax: 801-761-9698 jsigmann(a)jupitermedia.com www.jupitermedia.com **************************************************************************** *************** Keynotes and Sessions Click on http://www.jupiterevents.com/elf/fall02/glance.html for the complete agenda Keynote 1: The Inevitable Linux Momentum - Matthew J. Szulik, Chairman, CEO and President, Red Hat Keynote 2: Linux in Prime Time: Open Source Meets Enterprise Requirements - Jonathan Eunice, President and Principal Analyst, Illuminata Keynote 3: IBM Enterprise Solutions for Linux - Steven C. Solazzo, General Manager, Linux, IBM Keynote 4: Unbreakable Linux - Rene Bonvanie, VP of Oracle9i Marketing, Oracle Corporation Session 1: The Changing Face of Linux - David Niemi, Director of Systems Engineering, Adeptech Systems, Inc. Session 2: Linux High Availability Cluster Selection - Tim Burke, Advanced Server Technical Project Leader, Red Hat Session 3: VPN Enterprise Implementation at Rochester Midland - Tony Karakashian, Network Manager, Rochester Midland Corporation Session 4: Linux as Embedded Operating System - Rob Lembree, Technical Director, Metro Link, Inc. Session 5: How Sitel Worldwide Runs Call Centers Utilizing Linux - Scott Clark, Director of Systems Engineering, Sitel Corporation Session 6: PANEL: Server Consolidation Strategies Using Linux - Moderator: Brian Proffitt, Managing Editor, LinuxToday.com Session 7: The Enterprise Linux Desktop: Addressing Corporate Needs - Nat Friedman, Co-founder and Vice President of Product Development, Ximian Session 8: Managing Linux on Datacenter Mainframe Systems - Alex deVries, Principal Solutions Architect, Linuxcare Session 9: The Future of Open Source Software in the Enterprise - Randy Terbush, Managing Partner, Tribal Knowledge Group Session 10: The Future of Datacenter Computing: How the Combination of Storage Area Networks and Processing Area Networks Solves Multiple Pain Points for Enterprise Datacenters Session 11: Apache: An Enterprise-Level Server - Daniel Lopez Ridruejo, Senior Developer, Instant802 Networks Session 12: The Virtual Environment - Where Does Linux Fit? - Dan Kusnetzky, Vice President, System Software Research, IDC Session 13: Enterprise-Ready Linux on the Mainframe: The Path to Success - Sam Greenblatt, SVP, Computer Associates Session 14: The Linux Factor: How Linux and Friends will Reshape Application by 2005 - Jasmine Noel, Founder and Principal, JNoel Associates Session 15: Rethinking the Linux Distribution: Linux as Platform, Not Product - Ian Murdock, Progeny Session 16: Linux Clusters and Open Source Software in the Life Sciences - Glenn Otero, Ph.D., Founder and Principal, Linux Prophet Session 17: The Linux Standard Base - Changing Everything You Think About Linux - Scott McNeil, Executive Director, Free Standards Group Session 18: Linux in Business: Answering Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt - Russell Pavlicek, Independent Consultant Session 19: PANEL: Integrating Linux Into the Enterprise - Moderator: Brian Proffitt, Managing Editor, LinuxToday.com Session 20: Open Source Development Lab Data Center Linux (DCL) for OLTP and DSS - Timothy Witham, Lab Director, Open Source Development Lab Session 21: Migrating C/C++ Applications from Unix to Linux - Shel Travis, Vice President of Research, MigraTEC Session 22: Web Services: The Killer Application for Open Source - Christian Gross, Software Engineering Consultant Session 23: Linux Database Clusters for High Performance Computing - Boris C. Bialek, Manager, DB2 Strategic Technologies, IBM Toronto Lab Session 24: High-Performance End-to-End Computing Using Linux - Chris Maresca, Senior Partner, Olliance Group, LLC **************************************************************************** *************** ------------------------------------------------------- -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

21 years, 10 months

RE: [Wlug] MP3 Player recommendations

by Keller, Tim

My $.02 I personally own a Sonic blue Rio Volt and really like it. I've never heard of the iriver, but oh well. Things I really like about the Rio Volt 1. 10 hours of music per CD (with 128bit mp3's). 2. doesn't use some weirdo proprietary storage device that they'll stop manufacturing 6 months from now. 3. Can play regular CD's. This weighed heavily into getting a CD based device. I'm not going to carry an mp3 player and a CD player. Invariably, I go some where and someone's got a CD they want to listen to... 4. supports different bit depths on mp3's. My advisor got a cheaper CD based mp3 player and it just assumes that everything's 128bit. His 96bit hotel California mp3 sounds like "Alvin and the chipmunks do the eagles greatest hits" 5. has a recessed switch to disable the controls on the unit. You don't know how many sets of batteries I killed in my Sony Discman because I'd put it in my backpack and the buttons would get pressed and it would play Ride the lightning over and over. 6. The controls are good but a bit esoteric. I've got a CD with the complete works of Pink Floyd on it, organized as "albums as subdirectories" so its got ~156 songs. Until you understand the controls (or read the instructions) finding a single song is a bit mind bending. 7. It has a 40 second cache so the battery life is pretty long. Things I don't like about the Rio Volt: 1. The volume sucks on it. The ear bud headphones are just a complete waste, unless your dumbo. You'll want a pair of headphones with their own gain volume. 2. The battery cover opens easily, not really a big deal, but annoying. 3. Can't recharge batteries in the device. My old discman does this, why couldn't these guys? 4. Those stupid dancing people and that spinning CD icon (which looks a lot like the fan icon on the front of a Sun E1000 fibre array). I would have ditched the people and made the text display larger so you could put more info on it. (in the same vein I would have dumped the stupid fan icon and put "FAN BROKE" but that's just me...:) I'll bring my mp3 player with me to the next wlug meeting so anybody who wants to check it out are welcome. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Sands Fish [mailto:fishsands@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:46 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] MP3 Player recommendations A little more depth on the Sonicblue Rio Volt SP250: This is the model I was going to (and still might) purchase, kuz you can't be a cool dork w/out a portable mp3 player. ;) When I dug a little deeper into this model, I came across it's European counter-part, the iRiver. It is, of course, a little more expensive. Essentially, it's from the same company who OEM's the RioVolt line, but the trick is, they water down their products for the American market. There are a few things that the iRiver has that the RioVolt doesn't. 1.) LCD on the remote control. I don't know how much this interests people, but it's a nice little feature. Also, I believe those stupid dancing people that everyone so widely hated do not appear on the iRiver. 2.) I've been told by people experienced in both players that there are much more frequent firmware revisions for the iRiver. Oh, and this is a good place to mention that this is the feature that made me wanna buy it. As patches/fixes/upgrades are made for the player, you can d/l firmware upgrades, burn them to a cd, and run them in the player. One thing that really interested me is that, on the iRiver site http://www.iriver.com/english/imp250.htm they mention the potential implementation of the OGG Vorbis format, which I'm a big fan of, (no royalties threatened like MP3.) This is something I haven't seen mentioned for the American version, but who knows. One other thing I should mention. You'll need a power converter for this model. :) If anyone does end up with this player, please post your impressions on the list. I haven't completely made up my mind yet whether I want to pay more. Sincerely, Cheapskate Sands Fish <x>< --- "Charles R . Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 03:00:26PM -0500, Andy > Stewart wrote: > andystewart> Christmas is coming, and I'm thinking > about asking Santa for a portable > andystewart> MP3 player. Of course, it needs to > work with Linux. > > You to, eh? > > andystewart> Judging from the looks of the CDs which > I've ripped into MP3 files, 32 MB > andystewart> of memory looks like it might be a tad > small for a single CD, while 64 MB > andystewart> looks like it might do the trick for > loading up around 2 CDs worth of > andystewart> music. Is this a fair assessment? > Since I use compact flash for my > andystewart> digital camera, any MP3 player that > uses this medium should probably get > andystewart> extra consideration, I would think. > > Personally, I think the memory-based MP3 players are > way too expensive for how > many songs they can hold. I'd rather have a > CD-ROM-based player, since a CD > can hold about 10 hours of music. Also, you don't > have to worry about > Linux compatibility, since it will take any standard > ISO9660 CD-ROM which you > can burn from Linux just fine. The other type of > players, based on hard drives, > are also too expensive for my taste, and who needs > to store 100's of hours of > music on a portable device? The CD-MP3 players are > the "just right" > price/performance right now. > > The latest CD-MP3 players have come a long way since > the Genica 1st generation > units. By far the best ones I have found are these > two, since they have > excellent navigation capabilities, which you'll need > to navigate the hundreds > of songs on a CD: > > Sonicblue Rio Volt SP250 > TDK Mojo > > Check out their reviews on http://music.cnet.com/ . > They both got Editor's Choice. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / > http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 > A0F9 49BB 5886 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

22 years, 9 months

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