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Re: [Wlug] Topic for April?

by Jason Couture

I would like to, by I do not have intimate knowledge of it. I know its an improved version of gentoos baselayout 1 RC system. Its written in c instead of scriptss, can do some parallel startups, but nowhere near anything like systemd. And I can write simple init scripts for it. I, for one, would love to hear more about systemd. On Mar 30, 2011 8:38 AM, "Chuck Anderson" <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > I can talk about SysVInit, Upstart, and Systemd. Do you want to talk > about OpenRC? We could try to fit it into one meeting. > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:22:57AM -0400, Jason Couture wrote: > > How about a discussion of init systems in general, pros and cons of each? > > (I'm an OpenRC fanboy myself.) > > On Mar 30, 2011 12:07 AM, "Gregory Avedissian" <avedis.g(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > On 03/29/2011 10:57 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > > > > >> Would people be interested in a talk on Systemd, the replacement for > > >> SysVinit and Upstart? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/ma

15 years, 1 month

Re: printers and wlug mail list behavior

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 02:09:02PM -0400, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > Now my questions are about the wlug.org mail server. > > Where is it? Is somebody in wlug paying for it? > Who owns it? Who has privilege to tweak it? > Who installs the OS? Through the generous support of https://mailman3.com/ and Danil Smirnov, we have free use of their Mailman 3 server. Tim and I can manage the Mailman settings via the web interface. We do not have OS or shell-level access. > > From: Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > > > Our list server has that quirk, such that when you > > post a new item OR reply, everyone on the list except > > you gets a copy/email. I think. > > I don't know why you think that. > > It did not work like that in the past, and other > mailing lists to which I subscribe do not do that. There is a setting that controls this. I don't know if the setting on your account was accidentally changed recently, or for the list server as a whole changed. Postorius (the web interface) is running 1.3.9b1, which appears to be a beta release, so it could be a bug or unintentional setting change. This is the setting: Receive own postings Yes No Ordinarily, you will get a copy of every message you post to the list. If you don't want to receive this copy, set this option to No. If you never created a login account on wlug.mailman3.com, you can find the instructions and links here on our website: http://www.wlug.org/participate.html Mailing List and Web Forum WLUG has a combined mailing list/web forum for general discussion by WLUG members, meeting announcements, ideas for future topics, help and support, etc. Anyone is welcome to join, whether you have come to a meeting or not. Signup for a new account in order to change your settings and participate in the online Web Forum: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Join the Mailing List/Web Forum: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ View the archives and participate via the Web Forum: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/ > So a system of cables and computers running with GHz clocks > took about 5hrs to archive a few hundred bytes. > (Assuming the archive is in Eastern Standard Time.) Stuff happens. Maybe Mailman3.com did an upgrade to the latest beta version? Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.9b1 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.10.10 (main, Feb 9 2023, 02:08:14) [GCC 12.2.1 20220924] > I don't know exactly how long it took to deliver it to > you, but this is in the headers of the message I > finally got back: > > Received: from [172.22.0.5] > (wlugmailman3com_mailman-core_1.wlugmailman3com_default [172.22.0.5]) > by host.mailman3.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBB21747165; > Sat, 11 Mar 2023 09:59:38 +0000 (UTC) > > The day after it hit the archive. I can't find that ESMTP id 8EBB21747165, but I received a message around the same time that shows Received: headers in different timezones. There was a 10 hour and 12 minute delay inside the mailman3.com system, between these two Received: headers: Received: from [172.22.0.5] (wlugmailman3com_mailman-core_1.wlugmailman3com_default [172.22.0.5]) by host.mailman3.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFC8174716F; Sat, 11 Mar 2023 09:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dsl.keithdiane.us (dsl.keithdiane.us [66.92.74.188]) by host.mailman3.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54AD6174714F for <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 23:47:34 +0000 (UTC) And a 22 second delay between Keith's machine sending the message and host.mailman3.com receiving it, alhtough this could be clock skew. Keith, is your clock correct to the second on this system? Or do you only have a MHz speed system and a slow DSL line? Received: from fcs22.keithdiane.us (fcs22.keithdiane.us [192.168.1.121]) by fcs19.keithdiane.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F2B218376; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 18:47:12 -0500 (EST) > > See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680 > > > > Sincerely, > > Danil Smirnov > > That links to a bug/feature report on gmail.com. > I don't use gmail, does wlug? No. That appears to be a separate issue that may affect Doug.

3 years, 1 month

Re: [Wlug] Balloon board

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andre Lehovich wrote: > After the meeting a few of us chatted about embeded hardware projects. The > Balloon Board, based on the Strongarm CPU, has all open specs. Unfortunately > it looks like a sample board is about $700. http://balloonboard.org/ > > An example product built using the board: > http://www.toby-churchill.com/english/product_info/index.html > > --Andre Other possibilities for Linux friendly embedded projects: I made a firewall with Linux software with the Routerboard: http://www.routerboard.com The USB development board looks interesting, but I haven't actually tried it: http://www.delcom-eng.com/ These look rather neat, but seem to be a little expensive IMHO, but not unreachable: http://www.gumstix.com The embedded development kits look interesting as well, but the prices are exceedingly high. Two examples: http://www.arcom.com/devkit-linux-apollo.htm http://www.arcom.com/devkit-linux-pxa270-zeus.htm I don't think this vendor offers Linux support, but Linux does work with these products: http://www.hobbyengineering.com/SectionBS.html Well, that's it for now. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFgehXHl0iXDssISsRAtWBAJ9jm5HEBvR+KspVYz+pZy5J9H4xTACeM3US LBI/kttIlfTvMK2O4Hd0XrM= =lcEv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

19 years, 4 months

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Jon "maddog" Hall

>However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. >A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure ISP/VPN service. "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" md On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still rely > on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. > A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > > > On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: > > > > You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience > > when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, > > the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve > > that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is > > a difference between a poor native and a rich American. > > > > Bob > > > > On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: > >>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're > selling, > >>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate > >>> me!) > >>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. > >>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this > month, > >>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug > >> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: > >> > >> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a > >> different geographical area. This can help you bypass > >> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs > >> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live > >> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you > >> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you > >> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute > >> accomodations while you are away on vacation. > >> > >> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing > >> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could > >> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits > >> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not > >> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of > >> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright > >> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly > >> governments.) > >> _______________________________________________ > >> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZC4W3… > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OD7Q… >

2 years, 4 months

Re: [Wlug] large file performance on linux

by brad noyes

All, here's a summary of what i have tried so far. I have tried using the O_DIRECT and O_SYNC flags with open(2) and i have been using a non-journalling filesystem, ext2. None of these options have yielded any better performance at the rates i'm looking for. I have not tried AIO. I don't think i can use a non 32-bit kernel on the xeons. Correct me if i'm wrong (it's happened before). As a temporary solution i created a memory filesystem, by $> mount -t tmpfs tmpfs -o size=6G /data/memory The writes are fast however i need another process to progressively move data out of the memory filesystem since i don't have enough memory to hold all 22GB of data i need. For those interested i have attached a small program which will use different options to open and profile the fwrite calls. To compile simply do $> sh ./testwrite.c $> ./testwrite -h $> ./testwrite -l 16 file.out I just wanted to keep you all updated. Thanks for all your help. I'll keep trying various ideas. I wish i could make it to the meeting to buy you all pizza for your help. Perhaps next month. Thanks, -- Brad

18 years, 11 months

Computer 4 sale

by Marc Hughes

Dual PIII 1ghz Case + power 512mb ram 2 Hard Drives - 16gig + 8gig (or about that size) Sony IDE CDRW (fast, I think 48x,24x,16x) Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI Ethernet card $400 There will be 2 big gaping holes in the front if I can't find the 5 1/4 drive bay covers. No video card. Also, nVidia geForce 3 and above cards don't work with this motherboard. nVidia blames it on Tyan, and Tyan blames it on nVidia. My Radeon 7550 works just fine (but you don't get that). If you want, I have an old voodoo3 card which was in this at one point, it worked then, you can have it for free with the computer. Under Windows, I was never able to get USB working well (keyboard was fine, camera + mouse weren't). Under linux, usb worked 100%, so I'm assuming it's just my luck with windows and not the hardware. I will be wiping the drives clean before selling it, so you're on your own for an OS. I think one of the drives may be mounted "creatively" so be forewarned. If anyone wants it, hopefully we can arrange a drop-off & pickup, perhaps at a wlug meeting to avoid any shipping. Please send replies to me, and not the list. -Marc

22 years, 11 months

Smart package manager

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, Those of you who attended the most recent WLUG meeting might remember me complaining that the version of YaST on OpenSuSE 10.1 has a pathetically slow program for handling software installation. Greg Avedissian mentioned the Smart package manager (http://labix.org/smart) as an alternative, so I gave it a try. The Smart package manager appears to be Linux distribution agnostic. It works on systems whose package management is based on RPM, APT, APT-RPM, YUM, etc. I tried it on my laptop, where I was having the most performance issues with YaST's software handling program. I am quite pleased with the Smart package manager! Thanks, Greg, for the recommendation! I haven't yet installed the Smart package manager on my "good" system, but I probably will if Novell doesn't fix YaST in OpenSuSE 10.2. The Smart package manager has found a permanent home on my laptop. Funding for the development of the Smart package manager is being supplied by Canonical Ltd., the same folks who are funding Ubuntu Linux. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFDIg+Hl0iXDssISsRApTfAJ9MYONVIomUGBZgSrJlZv1TFgZ1WwCfaCLM J2A2Ch5Jk0yLtWsYsTsarZM= =CTb9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

19 years, 7 months

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 107, Issue 5

by Karl Lind

Sounds more like the power supply is taking it's time to die. As the power level dips thats where your errors/reboots are popping up. Easiest thing to verify is 1.) Turn off the modem and unplug. 2.) Remove case and inspect the board. 3.) If the board's solder connections look like there are not good connections ANYWHERE on the board then you probably have a bad solder issue, if the solder looks good, it's probably a power supply on the board problem which is a chip. 4.) Post results Karl Lind On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab? (E Johnson) > 2. Re: Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab? (E Johnson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:11:17 -0400 > From: E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > < > CABmZTj0aYBHVUR83fPcMBxxpu6-YhfoPDo5G9wB1pdBAAQWwHA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Umm. Non-happy camper. ISP things have changed here, without me being > informed. Recently (2 days ago) my modem started rebooting every little > while. Zillions of T3 & T4 timouts in the modem log, Signal lavels were > perfect when it was online. I own this thing, a Motorola SB6120 purchased > late June 2010. It has not been abused. > > I am in Woosta & we all know the ISP available here. 2 techs showed up > mid-morning, to diagnose and fix this issue. One guy stood there watching; > the other guy "did stuff." They checked the signal levels on incoming line > from the box connected to the pole our back, and declared my moden Dying. > They talked to each other (not me) & seemed to think I was Granny-in-a-Box, > until they let me say more than one sentence. > > These guys also confessed that since July 202, Ch4rter does not "allow" > customers to own/run their own modems. Their consolation prize is that they > don't charge modem rental fees any more. (it's not on the bill, anyway, > FWIW). They mumbled some other mumbo jumbo and fled 5 seconds after they > learned I have my own router too, & didn't care if the modem and router > were yet in communication. They just said "better reboot" and they "no > longer" service "wireless" --which I am not running except when certain > visitors appear. I think they meant they don't diagnose routers, which has > always been the policy, and which is fine. Internal LAN issues aren't their > problem. > > So now I have a modem which may or may not be sick, but no way to test it > to make sure. Is there anyone here who can take a look at this thing & test > to see if it's Really Dying, or if Ch4rter deaded it with their latest > firmware revision of their firmware & policy change in July 2012? > > An interesting meeting theme sometime might be how to get the Verizon FIOS > in Worcester. Several years ago I watched Verizon trucks & Verizon moles > installing their fiber optics in manholes all over town. Ch4rter is running > on Verizon's infrastructure. Ch4rter internet has been working better since > then, but we're still locked out of the option to use verizon. Is this a > topic of interest to anyone? If so, I'll lead the discussion and even buy > the Pizz4. To me, this is a Large Pizza problem. > > Another interesting but probably futile discussion might center around why > we have suddenly been deprived of the ability to watch the behavior and > effectiveness of our modems, which serve internet coming from our ISP.. I > was not informed of this -- was anyone who is just a 'regular' customer? > > Meanwhile, if anyone has a test lab or whatever, where they can test my > declared-dead modem, please let me know. Otherwise it's probably a > giveaway, or another piece of Landfill Fodder. I can bring to a meeting & > can wait for results. > > Thanks & happy pizzaz, > Liz J > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20120920/8789bb41/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:31:59 -0400 > From: E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > < > CABmZTj3Ghp2GHUiWHtGtbBN5NVo0HQKzkrWcvxNngP5_q2hcGQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > PS: This evening, Ch4rter Billing has deleted the upcoming service charge > for this morning's tech call. Amazing how it took 2 guys to check line > levels, then hang one moden where my other modem was, + plug in one coax & > one wall wart , then make 30-sec call to the office to get their repacement > modem provisioned & watch for blinking green lights. 2 guys. > If this happens to you (they discontinued your router & required you to use > theirs), don't eat the bill. > it does work fine, FWIW, but not impressed. > --EJ > > On 20 September 2012 19:11, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Umm. Non-happy camper. ISP things have changed here, without me being > > informed. Recently (2 days ago) my modem started rebooting every little > > while. Zillions of T3 & T4 timouts in the modem log, Signal lavels were > > perfect when it was online. I own this thing, a Motorola SB6120 > purchased > > late June 2010. It has not been abused. > > > > I am in Woosta & we all know the ISP available here. 2 techs showed up > > mid-morning, to diagnose and fix this issue. One guy stood there > watching; > > the other guy "did stuff." They checked the signal levels on incoming > line > > from the box connected to the pole our back, and declared my moden Dying. > > They talked to each other (not me) & seemed to think I was > Granny-in-a-Box, > > until they let me say more than one sentence. > > > > These guys also confessed that since July 202, Ch4rter does not "allow" > > customers to own/run their own modems. Their consolation prize is that > they > > don't charge modem rental fees any more. (it's not on the bill, anyway, > > FWIW). They mumbled some other mumbo jumbo and fled 5 seconds after they > > learned I have my own router too, & didn't care if the modem and router > > were yet in communication. They just said "better reboot" and they "no > > longer" service "wireless" --which I am not running except when certain > > visitors appear. I think they meant they don't diagnose routers, which > has > > always been the policy, and which is fine. Internal LAN issues aren't > their > > problem. > > > > So now I have a modem which may or may not be sick, but no way to test it > > to make sure. Is there anyone here who can take a look at this thing & > test > > to see if it's Really Dying, or if Ch4rter deaded it with their latest > > firmware revision of their firmware & policy change in July 2012? > > > > An interesting meeting theme sometime might be how to get the Verizon > FIOS > > in Worcester. Several years ago I watched Verizon trucks & Verizon moles > > installing their fiber optics in manholes all over town. Ch4rter is > running > > on Verizon's infrastructure. Ch4rter internet has been working better > since > > then, but we're still locked out of the option to use verizon. Is this a > > topic of interest to anyone? If so, I'll lead the discussion and even buy > > the Pizz4. To me, this is a Large Pizza problem. > > > > Another interesting but probably futile discussion might center around > why > > we have suddenly been deprived of the ability to watch the behavior and > > effectiveness of our modems, which serve internet coming from our ISP.. I > > was not informed of this -- was anyone who is just a 'regular' customer? > > > > Meanwhile, if anyone has a test lab or whatever, where they can test my > > declared-dead modem, please let me know. Otherwise it's probably a > > giveaway, or another piece of Landfill Fodder. I can bring to a meeting & > > can wait for results. > > > > Thanks & happy pizzaz, > > Liz J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20120920/8a927db4/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 107, Issue 5 > ************************************ >

13 years, 7 months

orinoco driver

by Wesley Allen

Hi all, hope the BBQ went well, sorry I couldn't come (I was picking up my Brother-In-Law at Logan...sigh, one day I'll get to a meeting). I've got a netgear wifi card that works great in Mandrake Linux, with the exception of wep (I know, it's cracked). In doing some research on the card and the kernel module that loads wvlan_cs, I have found out that this module has been replaced (by and large) by orinoco_cs, which I understand to be more functional (i.e. maybe I can get wep working?). I tried modprobe -r wvlan_cs and modprobe orinoco_cs but it won't bind to my pcmcia card. So I figured, "Well, maybe my card is just one that can't use the newer driver..." WRONG! Just to see what it was like, I download Knoppix, burned it onto a cd, and booted it up. Guess what driver loaded? orinoco_cs!! And it worked well too. Well, since Knoppix is a cd-boot, run in memory distro; I'm not changing to it anytime soon. So I'm going to use this opportunity to learn something new. How can I bind the orinoco driver to my card? Wes -- This message may be digitally signed. For my public key, e-mail me a request.

23 years, 8 months

Re: [Wlug] Reliable Linux Laptop Vendor

by Brian Waite

On Saturday 17 December 2005 3:01 pm, howard(a)howardwhite.net wrote: > >I'm very new to Linux and I'm not a technical person. But I've learned > >enough about Linux to know it rocks (thanks Bob!) and to know I want a > >new Linux laptop. Can anyone recommend a reliable vendor? Replies off > >list are welcomed. > > > >Thanks! > >Marie > > Ihave just (Thursday) picked up my new Linux laptop from PCs forEveryone in > Cambridge.. I bought my Linux desktop from them in April.Good quality, > essentially custom made. I have SuSe Pro 10 on mine. > > They are at PCSFOREVERYONE.com, I think, and they're right near the > Cambridgeside Galleria. > > HW We busy a lot of systems from PCSFOREVERYONE.com preinstalled with Linux. They are very good and will test the whole system for incompatabilities. We recently bought our first laptop from them and it has been pretty good, but it has only had light duty for a few months now. I highly reccommend them. PS if you are using it for meetings, you may not want to choose the Spartan laptop. The keys are a bit flimsy and lound but otherwise have good responsivness. Thanks Brian

20 years, 4 months

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