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Re: [Wlug] Wednesday's WLUG - noob question on XML editor

by Lee Keyser-Allen

I found a phenomenal one called the Altova XML Suite which has a free 'home' version (which I've not played with). The version I used was the enterprise one, and it did everything I wanted in an editor, including giving me lots of graphical feedback and it managed schemas and stylesheets in a clean and well organized blend of graphical interpretations and text. The non-free version, however, is very non-free (~$1000 for the 'pro' suite and ~$1800 for the 'enterprise' suite.) I've also used, with some good success, Architag XRay XML editor which had a very good, entirely text based suite that was free. I did have problems that some of the more quirky and poorly defined parts of the schema I was writing worked differently in XRay's native interpreter than in Xerces (or was it Xalan ... it was a little while ago), which I was using to do some validation. I've also heard that oXygen is supposed to be good (although, they didn't have a demo last I looked, so I haven't looked any closer than that.) I'm very interested if others have had good experience with any free (or less non-free) tools. You can find out more about Altova at www.altova.com. Hope that is somewhat helpful ... Lee On 10/7/06, d.maly(a)ieee.org <d_maly(a)charter.net> wrote: > This stuff is new to me, so wanted to dabble a bit before the meeting. > > My question is: what's your favorite editor for XML? > > My past experience with HTML has been with Mozilla editors in Windows, > and I find them to be adequate (and free). > > Thanks, > Doug Maly > > Hi All: > > > > Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm working hard to make my preso at > > this Wednesday's WLUG meeting (October 11) interesting, informative, > > innovative. Something different, without being annoying. > > > > Bring any of your friends that might be interested in data visualization, > > web design, XML, SVG, etc. > > > > During the preso, interrupt me with questions as much as you want, and > > make a mental note where my presentation isn't clear or drags. I'm hoping > > to get as much feedback as possible so that the next time I present this > > topic it will be better. > > > > Thanks, > > Doug > >

18 years, 2 months

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Topic Idea - MythTV

by bkn＠ithryn.net

On Wed, 7 May 2008 08:30:12 -0400, "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> writes: > > Eric> I have a mythbox but can't bring it in as my wife would *KILL* > Eric> me. I can however talk about a few things although I don't see > Eric> it going past 20 minutes. If anybody's interested in it I could > Eric> throw something together for a later date... > I also have am mythtv box. Someone was asking about a distro earlier. The latest ubuntu appears to have ivtv support built into the kernel and the lirc code built into the kernel. The former is a driver for the hauppauge tv cards the the latter is for the remote. Until very recently ivtv and lirc were a challenge to get working because it meant you had to recompile your kernel every time something changed. Other challenges for old tube-style TV is to get it to display to the TV correctly. I believe you need a special X11 driver for this. The new LCD TVs are much more friendly when it comes to plugging-in a computer. > > Now my big questions, since I can't make the meeting due to other > commitments, is as follows: > > - do people use their TiVo remotes with Myth? > I use the remote that came with my pvr card. It works really well. I need to use the TV remote to turn the TV on, but once the TV is on, i only use the mythtv remote to control TV. I also use mythtv and the mythtv remote to play DVDs using xine, which is the only media player i could find that has decent DVD menu support. > - anyone hack a TiVo to be a Myth frontend box? > I believe their tv tuners is propriety, but i could be wrong on this. The hauppauge cards are well supported under linux many of them have hardware decoders and encoders which alleviate the load on the CPU for converting the TV streams. > - which capture cards work with Digital cable? > I don't know of any, read more below ... > - does it need to be downstream of the cable box? > Yes. I did set this up at my place just to test it. With my setup using comcast, i had a serial cable plugged into the mythtv box and the cable box. I was able to change the channels on the digital cable box. There is significant lag -- i mean more so than lag than usual digital cable. Since i don't want anything that comes through on the digital channels i just setup the analog side to go to my mythtv box. That gets me all the channels i want. > > I was just at my mom's house and she has a new Sony LCD HD TV. > Realize that my mom is clueless about technology, so much so that they > took advantage of her and sold her a Toshiba HD DVD player too. > Sigh... > ouch. I would definitely take it back, where did she get this? I would go find their manager. that's really absurd. > All she wants is a big screen so she can watch TV and DVDs. That's > it. Now she has to juggle three friggin remotes to do this. A > logitech Harmony remote is in her future I think. :] > As i mentioned above, i only need to use the TV remote to turn the TV on for all other tasks i just use the mythtv remote. A friend of mine has a nice LCD HDTV with mythtv setup (although he only gets standard def TV); he's TV goes into sleep mode with it's been inactive and the mythtv remote will wake the TV up; so he only needs the one remote. > But this just shows how complicated it can be to setup a simple > setup. So, how do people deal with multiple inputs, remotes, > digital/analog cable, etc. > I hope this question is somehow explained above. The remotes that come with the hauppauge PRV cards are well supported under linux. It took me some configuration to get it working, but i can explain that at a later time if necessary; that is if i can remember how to do it; it's been so long. > All in regards to Myth, since when my TiVo finally bites the dust, > I'll need to put something up ASAP to keep the family happy. > i can understand that. It's hard to go back to watching regular TV. - brad

16 years, 7 months

Re: [Wlug] Topics for next meeting (confidence in FOSS decreasing?)

by Tim Keller

Fifteen years ago we were trying to convince our boss to take a chance on replacing that sparc 20 with a linux machine. If back then these vulnerabilities had come to light it would have made our jobs really hard. Thankfully linux has had a decade to prove itself in the server room. At this point the pendulum as swung the other direction. When we have to deploy a windows box we need to think about how it's going to fit into our nice cohesive unix environment. I'd argue that these revelations and the many more to come can be demonstrated that the FOSS community cares about the quality of the software out there and is continuing to improve it. Yeah, this stuff is public, but the openness of our community almost invariably means that lots of dirty laundry ends up on the line for everybody to see. Microsoft has managed to shit show their patching operation so many times it's an easy target to FUD in the other direction. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Michael C Voorhis <mvoorhis(a)cs.wpi.edu> wrote: > John Stoffel writes: > > What makes anyone think that closed source model is any better? Just > > look at the number of patches Microsoft, Oracle (Java) and Adobe have > > to release for their products all the time. If they were so much > > better, why do they supply so many patches? > > I certainly do NOT think the closed source model is better. Anyone > who knows how I work will know the extent to which I believe this. > But it is also truthful that all these "events" --heartbleed, the bash > problem, and now TLSv3 (oh yeah, it's called "POODLE") is adding to > the FUD. > > The fact that I can look at sourcecode tips the balance in favor of > FOSS for me certainly, and I assume for most people on this list. But > that doesn't change the fact that the questions are out there. > > So people using/running FOSS in a non-hobby environment should be > prepared to answer questions about it if we consider ourselves to be > advocates. I don't think FOSS confidence is a silly discussion item > for this group. > > --MCV. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

10 years, 2 months

To jordan

by kpoisant＠gmail.com

Socializing isnt a bad idea. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2009, at 12:00 PM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: HSI Vent Maybe Help? (Jordan Wade) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:41:17 -0500 > From: Jordan Wade <jordan.wade(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <7e68ff860911090641g7defa3aak5fd4cdd0bfb4c449(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'd be up for some socializing if anyone wants to meet up. Also, I'm > curious, is everyone actually in/around Worcester or do we have lots > of people from farther out too? (I'm in Framingham, for example.) > > Jordan > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:51 PM, ted <x351912(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi WLUG >> >> So here is the info for anyone else who had my problem connecting to >> Verizon for the first time. (I write this for the archives) >> >> The Westell 6100G modem default IP admin and password: >> 192.168.1.1 >> admin >> password >> >> To access the internet and set up your account you have to go to: >> >> http://192.168.1.1/verizon/redirect.htm >> >> "Hidden Redirect Page" >> >> You click the disable button, and then your on the internet. >> >> The tech support guy then insisted on helping me set up my Verizon >> email. Not necessary, but I didn't want to hang up on the guy. >> >> Oh, and does the WLUG go out for beer anytime? (as in non-meeting >> socializing?) >> >> Ted >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 73, Issue 6 > ***********************************

15 years, 1 month

Re: [Wlug] WPI Exchange Help

by Eric Stein

At one point, the UNIX/Exchange battle that goes on between the two servers was so screwed up that all my email was showing up as literal forwards from me to me in my UNIX inbox. I raged at the helpdesk until they accepted that I did not now, nor did I ever want, to even have an exchange account. It took some fighting but I got them to delete my exchange account completely, and my UNIX mail has worked fine ever since. Eric Kurt Snieckus wrote: > On the WPI mail system mail first goes to the unix mail servers, and > then gets forwarded to exchange. If you want you can keep the mail > from being forwarded to exchange by changing the forwarding settings > here: http://www.wpi.edu/Academics/CCC/Services/mailforward.html I > forget exactly what I did, but it didn't work quite right, beacuse > mail sent from other user's exchange accounts went to the exchange > account instead of staying in the unix account. But if you e-mail the > Helpdesk they can fix it for you. This then lets you use imap.wpi.edu > <http://imap.wpi.edu>, pop.wpi.edu <http://pop.wpi.edu>, and > webmail.wpi.edu/squirrelmail <http://webmail.wpi.edu/squirrelmail> > (And i think you can just login to ccc.wpi.edu <http://ccc.wpi.edu> > and type pine and read your mail as well) > If you'd like in-person help the Free Software Association tries to > have meetings at 6pm on Tuesdays in the lounge on the 3rd floor of > Fuller. E-mail owner-fsa(a)wpi.edu <mailto:owner-fsa@wpi.edu> to get > meeting announcements. > -Kurt > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:39 PM, <tedshipper(a)gmail.com > <mailto:tedshipper@gmail.com>> wrote: > > So I'm new to the Linux community and I could use a little help. > I'm trying to setup exchange to work through Evolution Mail on > Ubuntu 8.10. I can't seem to set it up correctly. I feel like i > have all the necessary info like the OWA URL, which I think is > https://exchange.wpi.edu/owa/ . Please advise as to whether I need > to specify the DOMAIN\User which doesn't work or if there is a > better client for setting up exchange at WPI. > Thanks, > > Ship > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

15 years, 8 months

Re: [Wlug] Oct 24, 2002: Install Fest !

by Michael Frysinger

hell gentoo has ppc and sparc binaries :D -mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haines, Charles Allen" <chaines(a)WPI.EDU> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 21:20 Subject: RE: [Wlug] Oct 24, 2002: Install Fest ! > I can install gentoo or slackware. Gentoo has i586 and i686 binaries > now so a base install can be done with no network. > > ----------------------------------------- > Chuck Haines > GDC Systems Administrator > Infinity Complex Developer > WPILA Lab Manager > ----------------------------------------- > AIM: CyberGrex > ICQ: 3707881 > Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 > Cell: (410) 610-6343. > ----------------------------------------- > "Geek by nature, Linux by choice." > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:18 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Subject: [Wlug] Oct 24, 2002: Install Fest ! > > > > HI Everybody, > > I have reserved the HIggins Labs discovery classroom (HL218?) for our > upcoming > install fest! This is scheduled for Thursday, Oct. 24, which is the > night > which was scheduled for our next WLUG meeting. I thought that the first > week > of B term would work out well for the WPI undergraduates. In place of > the > meeting, we'll have the install fest from 6:30 - 9:30 PM (yes, the time > is > earlier for this occasion). I will update the website shortly. > > If you know people who are interested in having us help them with a > Linux > installation, please ask them to send me an e-mail so I can keep track. > We > can probably accomodate folks who want us to configure something but I'd > like > to give priority to installations. Voyeurs are most welcome to watch > and > learn! > > Would somebody from WPILA please post this information on some > appropriate WPI > newsgroups, bulletin boards, and the like? I'd like to give priority to > WPI > students and allow "outsiders" if we have enough space. Remember, we > have > another install fest in February which is open to everybody. > > WLUG / WPILA Linux Install Fest > Date: Thursday, Oct. 24, 2002 > Time: 6:30 - 9:30 PM > E-mail: andystewart(a)attbi.com > > Later, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

22 years, 3 months

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topics

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> writes: Jeff> Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> writes: >> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 04:46:44PM -0500, Jim Dibb wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: >>>> I'm interested. I was considering using SSDs for my boot drive. Is >>>> RAID protection necessary/advisable using SSDs? >>> >>> SSDs have much higher reliability than HDD. >>> Mirroring is the only RAID level that does not impose a write penalty. >>> Mirroring SSDs is expensive >>> >>> Based on these 3 points, I'd say a backup is a much better solution than >>> RAID, unless you want to (R)AID-0 them into a stripe for even more insane >>> performance. >>> >>> But then again, you didn't state how important your uptime of your system >>> is. Sorry for leaving that bit out.... >> >> Uptime/availability isn't that important, but backups are since RAID >> *is* my backup (plus rsync to other RAIDed systems for the most >> important data). With traditional disk drives, it hasn't been too >> expensive to slap a 2nd system drive in for RAID 1/mirroring. SSDs >> are much more expensive, so if as you say they are more reliable, >> perhaps I can forgo the expense of doing RAID on them. Jeff> I've seen many claims that SSDs are more reliable than Jeff> traditional HDDs, but I haven't seen data to back up those Jeff> claims. Some of the arguements I've read on SSD reliability are quite interesting. If you do the math on how much data you need to write to destroy an SSD with proper (note!) wear levelling, it's really quite high. But I think the real key is to write data to them in blocks of 512 bytes as much as possible, and to not write smaller amounts if at all possible. Jeff> My main concern is that SSDs are still young, so they haven't Jeff> had much soak time. Whether or not the flash is reliable is Jeff> only a small part of the battle. Buggy firmware is a much more Jeff> likely problem at this stage in the game. No single point of Jeff> failure is a good design point when dealing with your data. ;-) I think this is a key issue, the firmware and controllers, not the flash chips themselves. Jeff> I remain cautiously optimistic (though I've already bricked one Jeff> drive). Details? John

14 years, 10 months

Re: WLUG Meeting Feb 11th 2021! Topic: Good question!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Jon" == Jon \"maddog\" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> writes: Jon> John, >> Yes, but I don't properly recall if the Itanium design was started >> before AMD64 came or as a reaction to the AMD64. Haven't done any >> research for the real timelines. Jon> Two single-line searches found that the Itanium was launched in Jon> 2001 and the AMD x64 was launched in 2003. Been neck deep in SFLT tape restore wrangling today. Whee!!! >> It's a shame the Alpha architecture didn't make it, even though it did >> have some bad design decisions inside it's ISA and internal >> architecture. It was still a pretty nice and clean 64-bit design. As >> I recall, it's mostly the memory ordering around byte accesses that >> are the problem. Jon> This is the first I have heard of these bad decisions. Would you care to elaborate? It's in regards to memory ordering. See this LKML post by Linus on the topic. This is what I'm talking about mostly. https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/2/1/521 Jon> The memory ordering around byte accesses might have been because Jon> the Alpha was designed to be both little endian and big endian. Jon> So were the MIPS chips. While many vendors supported only big Jon> endian (Motorola, SPARC, etc.) DEC had been supporting little Jon> endian in their PDP-11s, VAX, MIPS and Alphas for data Jon> compatibility. DEC supported little endian because it was Jon> cheaper electronically to have the data held in that fashion. Very much could be that is the reason. I don't know. Jon> Sun made much fun of DEC for years having Unix systems that were Jon> little endian instead of big endian like "real workstations". I Jon> kept asking them about these "Intel things" which were little Jon> endian too. Sun sneered at me and told me that "Intel chips Jon> were not used in real computers".....that is until they ported Jon> Solaris to Intel and tried to mix them into their network. Then Jon> I took real glee in asking them how they had data compatibility Jon> across NFS between SPARC and Intel. Gah, all the problems with writing socket code and having to do translations from Network Byte Ordering to Host Byte Ordering. hton[ls]() and the inverse. Jon> As I said, you are the first to mention to me these bad Jon> decisions. I am curious to know what they are. It's in terms of memory ordering on access. See the above link.

3 years, 11 months

Re: Last meeting mention of connecting to DISPLAY :0

by Chris Thompson

Hi all, Following up on a 6 month or so old inquiry... My request had been to get to my desktop session of X remotely. I seldom use this (mosh is typically more than enough) but occasionally it can be handy - e.g. grabbing a password I forgot to move out from FireFox into KeyPassXC, etc. (I do use FF sync, but not for passwords...call me paranoid - I don't mind). I ended up going with John's suggestion: something VNC-based. While you can set up Xvnc itself for a separate session, I prefer not to do this (nor do I need/want a Display Manager remotely). I only wanted on-demand access to the desktop shown (i.e. what's on the local monitor), and have found TigerVNC to be a good fit for this. Setup... "Client" = laptop on the road, "Server" = the desktop @ home Client setup: while you can use `ssh -L etc.` to set up port forwards, I prefer just using ~/.ssh/config, to which I added something like this: ``` Host my_server # the alias I'm using for the server system LocalForward 5900 127.0.0.1:5900 # forward local port 5900 to 127.0.0.1:5900 on the server site HostName xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx # IP or fqdn of server system ``` So, my laptop's localhost:5900 is now forwarded (through SSH) to the server system's equivalent of 127.0.0.1:5900. You can of course change the ports as needed, but as I do not run an VNC server process on my laptop, this is fine for me. This is where Tiger's*x0vncserver* comes in (*x11vnc* is another alternative). From `man x0vncserver`: x0vncserver is a TigerVNC Server which makes any X display remotely accessible via VNC, TigerVNC or compatible viewers. Unlike Xvnc(1), it does not create a virtual display. Instead, it just shares an existing X server (typically, that one connected to the physical screen). Just what I wanted! Once I have connected via SSH, to the server system, I start vnc on the server with ` x0vncserver -localhost -SecurityTypes none -display=:0`. This only listens on localhost, disabling security, and shares out from display :0, which is my normal i3/X11 desktop. There are a few additional security options with tigervnc, but I'm just relying on SSH in this case. Finally, I connect to my desktop from my client machine with `vncviewer localhost`. You can also just run vncviewer and will be presented with a GUI for specifying options. The performance is ...well, about what I expected from VNC at times, but overall it's been pretty reasonable/good for my limited use cases. A couple notes specific to me that may apply to you: I normally run a picom (an X11 compositor) - killing this before connecting is a good performance choice. Additionally, I disable a monitor with xrandr. The VNC client works well (when in full screen) with multiple displays by scrolling following the mouse motion, but it's just less practical IMO than dropping a monitor. There are some other options that make this set up even simpler (e.g. see the `-via` option of vncviewer), but I figured starting with a more spelled-out example was better. My primary reference was the Arch wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/TigerVNC Regards, Chris On 7/24/22 14:37, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> "Chris" == Chris (wolcen) Thompson via WLUG<wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > Chris> Great to see you all in the last meeting :-) I was the > Chris> skateboarder...who caught me almost falling shortly before I > Chris> left? LOL > > It was good to meet you, hopefully face to face sometime. And I hope > you're all staying cool today, it's been a scorcher! > > Chris> [Insert name I've forgotten here (sorry!)] mentioned that their > Chris> users connect to a remote session's root desktop (or whatever > Chris> you call the initial/primary display :0 deal that you > Chris> initially/locally get). > > Chris> I would like to do this as well. SSH with port forwarding is > Chris> probably my preference, but wireguard would be OK as well. I > Chris> don't think I want to directly expose anything like xrdp. > > Chris> Anyway - could you please refresh my memory as to what was > Chris> being used? I'm running i3 in this case (started via > Chris> lightdm). I generally have not loved using VNC-based tools, but > Chris> if that's what is currently recommended, I guess I'll give it > Chris> another go. > > For a long time I was using NX (or FreeNX) on my work desktop so I > could connect between a windows box and a linux desktop using Synergy > to map the keyboard/mouse between systems as I moved the mouse between > my desktops. > > That was using the 'nomachine.com' software, though I used the freenx > stuff. But after a while it got to be too painful, and now that I > mostly work on a windows laptop for work (due to the work VPN > requirements) I don't tend to do anything beyond lots of putty > sessions in which I run screen. > > I've tried MobaXterm, but never really liked it, even though it does > offer native X display, so you can fire up remote graphical tools. > This would work better if I wasnt' 80-100 miliseconds of lag > (basically across the entire US) distant from the remote systems I > manage and work on. > > Much as I hate to say it, I've sometimes just fallen back to VNC when > I need to fire up a web browser to download a 5-10gb ISO image to do a > system install. > > > Chris> ------------ > > Chris> SSHFS Optimization > > Chris> Also - I referred to using sshfs internally for myself to my NAS, and > Chris> some optimizations for it. This is my current alias to mount it: > > Chris> sshfs -o cache=yes -o kernel_cache -o Ciphers=aes128-ctr -o > Chris> Compression=no -o ServerAliveCountMax=3 -o ServerAliveInterval=15 -o > Chris> reconnect -C -o idmap=user server: /mymountpoint > > Chris> I got a few of the recommended switches from this article that finally > Chris> convinced me to just forget about NFS: > > Chris>https://blog.ja-ke.tech/2019/08/27/nas-performance-sshfs-nfs-smb.html > > This is a great set of info, because I too have used sshfs at times > but cursed to slow speed. I'll definitely try this out. It would be > nice if the windows client also supported these options as well at > times. > > > Cheers! > Joohn > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

2 years, 1 month

Re: Intersection of Open Source and Social Change

by Kevin Harrington

Odoo is very FOSS friendly: https://github.com/odoo/odoo I have been mulling over the problem posed by automation and software participating in the labor market alongside people for quite a few years now. I love hearing about localized solutions to problems. The closer people are to the control of what they need to survive, the better. One of the ways to localize control are what David Graeber calls Debt Loops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZIINXhGDcs Since reading the book hes talking about in the lecture, I have been mulling over how one might make a digital version of gift-economies/debt-loop/auto-jubilee networks. One of the corrosive aspects of markets is the spot transaction. It anonymizes money (something that represents the labor of others owed to you the holder) and encourages us to dehumanize each other into economic means to our ends. Gift loops make each transaction explicitly a public act, and in doing so makes sure that we are confronted with our interdependence on a regular basis. Economically gift economies have the advantage of moving the issuer of credit and debt from a central bank, into the hands of individuals making the decision to trust other individuals and the debt loop system. Those with the ability to express trust in others, and when that trust is reciprocated, then that is the wealth creation engine. When any debt is paid forward until it reaches back to the issuer, the loop is canceled, and all the obligations are unzipped. Therefore one person initiating trust can cancel N nodes in a loop, effectively unlimited. Since it is also fully public, cheating means cheating in public. Beyond the exchange of labor in money or debt interactions, we have a deeper problem of the displacement of the labor market by automation. Beyond the economic arguments, there is a philosophical problem with selling a non-rivalrous commodity and failing to create in the market the demand for said commodity through wage creation. The expected effect of this process would be rising productivity, with stagnant wages as the few jobs remaining are competed for by an ever increasing reserve army of the unemployed. Turns out you can see that in the data as early as the mid 90's. I attached an article I am working on to outline this problem, if you are interested in reading more. On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 11:27 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > This is a tangent, but on the same vein. > > I find myself with my wife and kids at lots of craft fairs, etc. In all cases, the conversation goes something like: > > "Oh, those earrings.. $12.50 with a card, $10 with cash." I know in all those cases, it's a situation where they're getting boned by a company like Toast or one of these other middleman transaction processors. > > I think it would be cool if there was a more local option, but offered the same level of ease of use that [insert POS system] I see things like odoo out there, but I don't know how FOSS friendly they are. > > Tim. > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2024 at 9:06 PM Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> For the last 5 years or so, I"ve been putting a lot of thought into what I would like the tech industry to look like in the future, and what steps we could take in order to achieve it. >> >> What I see is locally managed tech infrastructure focused on local communities. Communities can share the same open source tools instead of depending on large centralized platforms. This would mean that the people who make the decisions about how online commerce operates in the area could actually be close to the users and acting on their best interests. >> >> I see this looking like community sales platforms connecting people to the local stores, various Fediverse compatible platforms for Social Media, video sharing, chat systems, and jobs boards. >> >> Each service is an opportunity to help people pay each other instead of sending money out of the community. >> >> The services could be hosted on existing cloud platforms, but I've been looking at building community clouds, hopefully partnered with municipal fiber. >> >> To me, it's more about a philosophical shift around the motivations of developers more than anything, but I'd love to meet with people who'd like to help build a proof of concept. >> >> On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 6:14 PM Mike kantrowitz <mike.kantrowitz01(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry I couldn't join for dinner after the last meeting. Sounds like it was a good conversation. >>> I'm definitely interested in further conversation about tech and social change. >>> >>> /mike >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 2:55 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> "Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>>> >>>> > Awesome. I'll have to try to make it to an upcoming event. >>>> >>>> And we will be sure to publicize this on the wlug.org web site as >>>> well. >>>> >>>> > I was thinking about setting up either a Matrix server for chat, or >>>> > a Lemmy server for a reddit-like set of discussion forums. >>>> >>>> Would the chats be logged for later viewing? I'm not familiar with >>>> either setup. I honestly prefer email lists, but that's because I >>>> find interacting in a web browser for forums to be a pain in the rear >>>> because I have to use the mouse for some much, which just slows me >>>> down. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 7:48 PM Kevin Harrington <mad.hephaestus(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Count me in! I have been working on a book on the topic for a few years on and off. Fyi just >>>> > about every meeting of Robot Club turns into one of those sort of discussions. We meet at >>>> > technocopia Saturdays 1-4. >>>> >>>> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2024, 7:34 PM Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hey folks, >>>> >>>> > At dinner after the last meeting we had an interesting conversation around the >>>> > intersection of software/technology and big picture social change. This has been an area >>>> > of interest of mine for a while now, and I'd love to connect with other people who would >>>> > be interested in talking about ways to make meaningful change. >>>> >>>> > Would anyone be interested in joining a discussion on something like Discord, Slack, or >>>> > maybe an open source alternative? >>>> >>>> > -- >>>> > Greg Boyce >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> > Web Forum/Archive: >>>> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BNJIS… >>>> >>>> > -- >>>> > Greg >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ERVCY… >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NYRKA… >> >> >> >> -- >> Greg >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/DHWFA… > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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