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Re: [Wlug] Meeting topics

by Jeff Moyer

"John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> writes: >>>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> writes: > Jeff> I've seen many claims that SSDs are more reliable than > Jeff> traditional HDDs, but I haven't seen data to back up those > Jeff> claims. > > Some of the arguements I've read on SSD reliability are quite > interesting. If you do the math on how much data you need to write to > destroy an SSD with proper (note!) wear levelling, it's really quite > high. But I think the real key is to write data to them in blocks of > 512 bytes as much as possible, and to not write smaller amounts if at > all possible. Did you mean to say 512KB? You can't write smaller than the exported block size (which will be either 512 bytes or 4k). Perhaps what you meant to say was that you should try to issue writes that are aligned on and multiples of the erase block size. > Jeff> My main concern is that SSDs are still young, so they haven't > Jeff> had much soak time. Whether or not the flash is reliable is > Jeff> only a small part of the battle. Buggy firmware is a much more > Jeff> likely problem at this stage in the game. No single point of > Jeff> failure is a good design point when dealing with your data. ;-) > > I think this is a key issue, the firmware and controllers, not the > flash chips themselves. > > Jeff> I remain cautiously optimistic (though I've already bricked one > Jeff> drive). > > Details? During TRIM testing, we managed to get an OCZ Vertex to spew I/O errors, and then finally fail to be recognized by the BIOS upon reboot. Note that this isn't a normal workload (the drive is being pounded on) and TRIM is still very new. So, I am not saying that the drives are not reliable in general. I simply don't know. Cheers, Jeff

15 years, 3 months

Re: Software to write books

by Keith Wright

hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Probably a couple years back, I think Tim might have mentioned a > software program that was used by many people to write and edit books It depends on what kind of "book". If you want to get it published or accepted as a dissertation, the deciding factor is what the publisher or school wants. If you just mean you want to write many pages and get them bound for personal use, I have gone to Park/Print in Worcester (very near my house) with a *.pdf file containing a math book, a Scheme report, or my own notes. They print it two sided 8.5x11 and bind it in a soft plastic cover and "comb" binding for short money. https://www.parkprintonline.com/ I have also gotten hard cover binding with title on the spine (back). I did this twice, once for my dissertation, once for some of my grandmother's writing. They cut it to the size you want. There was a place in Newton that did that, I don't know if they are still there. Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Maybe you are thinking of LaTeX (pronounced La-Tech)? In my bombastic opinion, if you need to write mathematics, you would be crazy to use anything else. I use emacs, LaTeX, and evince every day. Last meeting I tried the share-screen feature of jit.si and it worked. Tim asked "What's an idempotent monad?" or something like that. (It was in the title of the document on my screen.) I was not prepared to summarize a decade of grad school in a few seconds, and so did not answer. But if you promise not to ask too much about what it means, I could put together a few slides and demonstrations to show what it can do and how I use it. I would not want to take up the whole meeting, but maybe a few other people could do the same with their own favorite document production systems. -- Keith

7 months, 3 weeks

Re: [Wlug] Topic for the next meeting: ownCloud

by Frank Sweetser

http://xkcd.com/320/ Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 10/27/2015 10:49 AM, thinkbrown(a)gmail.com wrote: > A way to kick this whole "sleeping" habit would be nice :P > > Logan > > On Oct 27, 2015 10:42 AM, "Tim Keller" <turbofx(a)gmail.com > <mailto:turbofx@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Thanks Logan! > > Let me know if you need anything. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 4:38 PM, thinkbrown(a)gmail.com > <mailto:thinkbrown@gmail.com> <thinkbrown(a)gmail.com > <mailto:thinkbrown@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I'd be happy to present. > > Logan > > On Oct 26, 2015 16:35, "Tim Keller" <turbofx(a)gmail.com > <mailto:turbofx@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hey Gang, > > So thinking it over, with the holidays coming up, I know I'm going > to be taking an outrageous number of pictures. In lieu of > spending money so I have expanded storage on Google, the next > logical step is to set up my ownCloud. > > Logan, do you want to do this presentation / demo? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to > their constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

9 years, 7 months

Re: Ideas for the next WLUG meeting

by Joshua Stone

Tim, I'm glad you feel that way about it! The /sysroot upgrading process is one of my favorite features about Silverblue, as you gain some of thebenefits of COW snapshots without relying on a particular filesystem(example: https://github.com/openSUSE/snapper) GRUB is also enhanced where instead of selectinga different kernel, you're booting into an entirely different /sysroot complete with kernel, libc, drivers,firmware, etc. all of which are tagged under one discrete OS version string. This design shouldmake bug fixing a lot easier as a user may only need to attach the OS version string when filing a bugreport, and a developer could boot up that particular version inside a VM. This update model should alsoeliminate variance between "not updated" and "fully updated" like we see with traditional packagemanagement where a package mirror might not have synced all of the latest packages. The rollback mechanism is also quite innovative, which Silverblue can get for free by designing updatesthat perform the equivalent of `git checkout ${BRANCH}`. I'm sure there will be much to discuss when we get to have a demo. -Josh On Mon, 2019-11-18 at 13:45 -0500, Tim Keller wrote: > Josh, > I think this would be an awesome talk. I'm particularly interested in > the /sysroot upgrading process. > I like the idea of having an immutable root that you can unwind > things if they go horribly wrong. > > I'm game for having this as our Dec. topic! > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 12:03 PM Joshua Stone via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > > > > > > > I'd just like to say I had a fun time at Thursday's meeting! I'm > > > > already looking forward to the next meeting as I'm sure there are > > > > plenty of interesting topics we could discuss. > > > > > > > > As mentioned before, I think we could examine technologies that'd > > be > > > > beneficial to Linux on the desktop, like comparing packaging > > > > technologies including Flatpak, Snap, and AppImage. > > > > > > > > I think we could also look into the future of containers on the > > desktop > > > > as a whole with projects like Flatpak, toolbox, podman, and > > Silverblue. > > > > > > > > My workflow over the past few years has been using these upcoming > > > > technologies as daily drivers as they lead to saner development. > > For > > > > example, my laptop runs Silverblue ( > > > > https://fedoramagazine.org/what-is-silverblue/) which is a Fedora > > > > variant designed around immutability where a new system image is > > > > committed as the new /sysroot without affecting the state of the > > > > running system. This is reminiscent of Android A/B updates, > > although > > > > the update backend -- ostree -- has elements of a version control > > > > system like git. > > > > > > > > Toolbox ( > > > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/toolbox/) is > > > > also interesting as it lets you switch into an unprivileged > > development > > > > environment that can be built up and torn down without affecting > > the > > > > host as tools are installed inside a container. For example, I can > > > > build and install duc inside a toolbox without actually installing > > to > > > > the host /usr: > > > > > > > > [jstone@jstone-laptop ~]$ toolbox create --release 31 --container > > duc- > > > > test > > > > [jstone@jstone-laptop ~]$ toolbox enter --container duc-test > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox ~]$ git clone https://github.com/zevv/duc > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox ~]$ cd duc > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ sudo dnf --assumeyes install gcc make > > autoconf > > > > automake pango-devel cairo-devel tokyocabinet-devel ncurses-devel > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ autoreconf --install > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ ./configure > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ make > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ sudo make install # no password needed > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ mkdir ~/.cache/duc > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ tcbmgr create ~/.cache/duc/duc.db > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ duc index ~ > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ duc gui > > > > > > > > Finally, I've been installing most of my apps as Flatpaks, which > > uses > > > > the same file storage backend as Silverblue to manage apps and > > shared > > > > runtimes. This app distribution technology allows you to decouple > > apps > > > > and operating systems as everything is built and run inside a > > sandbox, > > > > making upgrades easier. Compare needing only one version of an app > > to > > > > package as a flatpak, versus packaging for different versions of > > > > distros: > > > > > > > > https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.clementine_player.Clementine > > > > https://www.clementine-player.org/downloads > > > > > > > > I'd be glad to hear what everyone has to say! > > > > > > > > -Josh > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > >

5 years, 6 months

Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Stephen C. Daukas

Is introducing yet-another-flavor-of-linux useful? I understand what you are trying to achieve, but one of the first questions that came to my mind was "what is the difference between Knoppix and a regular Linux distro"? (The first was actually "what the hell is Knopix"!) Will it be confusing to the people looking at is verusus what they see when they look at SuSe, Red Hat, etc.? Andy Stewart wrote: >On Monday 01 September 2003 4:52 pm, albutler33(a)netscape.net wrote: > > >>Andy, >> >>I think a great topic especially for the new students would be "Fast Track >>to Linux" where you introduce the GNOME and KDE desktops and a few of your >>favorite tools and utilities. >> >>Al Butler >> >> > >HI Al, > >My most current thoughts are centered on Linux, its origins, the GPL, >WLUG/WPILA, and then segue into single CD demo distributions for folks who >want to "kick the tires", as it were, without fully committing their hard >drives to Linux. > >One such single CD demo distribution is Knoppix, which does have KDE (and >GNOME?). Once Knoppix is running, many things could be demonstrated. If I >go with this idea, I'd want to have copies of the Knoppix CD available for >people to take home, and hopefully they would try it at their leisure. > >How does that sound? Do people have additional ideas? Let's hear them! :-) > >Later, > >Andy > > > > >>__________________________________________________________________ >>McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. >>Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial >>today! >>http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 >> >>Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! >>http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > -- Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/

21 years, 9 months

Re: [Wlug] Major WPA2 Vulnerability

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 02:29:56PM -0400, Keith Wright wrote: > This is very embarrassing for the authors of the > standard, but is it really a big problem? Several > meetings ago, somebody brought a device to the > WLUG meeting that, as I understood it, pretends > to be a wireless router and interposes itself > into any nearby connection. If things like that > exist, why care about encryption vulnerability? Because with properly configured wireless and patched clients, you can be sure you are connecting to the trusted network, not a Man-in-the-Middle. It requires mutual authentication, which happens for example on the WPI wireless network by using EAP-TLS certificates. The client is supposed to verify the server's certificate and the server of course verifies the client's certificate. Unfortunately, most networks don't use EAP but rather use Pre-Shared Keys (WPA2-PSK). > If you need to patch both sides to be secure, > then you are not secure in the coffee shop no > matter what you do. In any case, if you are > using the wireless to connect to a web site > or "cloud" server, then the wireless connection > is the least of your insecurities. In the strictest sense this is true, but as far as the KRACK attack goes, the wireless AP side is much less likely to be a problem, because the vulnerabilities are in parts of the standards that are not often used (802.11r "Fast Roaming" for example). The client-side vulnerabilities, especially in Linux/Android, are much more serious. On Linux, the client can be tricked into using a null session key. However, in a coffee shop KRACK is moot because most coffee shops don't use encryption at all to begin with. In any case, WPI's recommendation to use the VPN if you are not sure of your device's or the network's immunity to KRACK is sound, because even if there was a M-i-t-M, they still would not be able to decrypt the VPN traffic. Security is helpful in layers. Belt-and-suspenders.

7 years, 7 months

Re: [Wlug] Dec 12: Identity Management: FreeIPA, SSSD, Kerberos, etc.

by David Glaser

Sounds really good to me also. -David On 11/30/2015 10:57 AM, Higgins, Benjamin John wrote: > Chuck: > Wow - a meeting my wife will let me attend :) I also think " FreeIPA + Kerberos" is likely the best topic. Thanks! > > --b > -- > Benjamin J. Higgins ('97), JNCIA-Junos | bjhiggins(a)wpi.edu > Network Engineer | Office 508.831.4860 > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | Cell 508.713.1739 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Anderson > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 10:54 AM > To: wlug(a)wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Dec 12: Identity Management: FreeIPA, SSSD, Kerberos, etc. > > I have an offer from Dmitri Pal, Engineering Director at Red Hat, Inc., to come to WLUG on December 10 and give a talk on Identity Management. > > He asked which of the following topics people would be interested in: > > "FreeIPA - I go over problem space and talk about what IPA does and > how it solves the problems > - about an hour with Q&A. > > AD [Microsoft Active Directory] integration I can give an overview > of the AD integration options and talk about best practices there > - about an hour with Q&A. > > Application integration - is about how to build applications > integrated with different authentication methods out of box > - 40-50 min with Q&A. > > I can combine. > > I also can talk about Kerberos and explain how it works and how it > can be used for SSO [Single Sign-On]." > > I was thinking FreeIPA + Kerberos which would fit nicely into our usual 2 hour meeting slot and provide a nice introduction to the topic, but let me know if the other topics are of more interest. Time is running short, so respond quickly! > > Thanks, > Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

9 years, 6 months

Re: Intersection of Open Source and Social Change

by Gregory Boyce

I don't think it's a tangent at all. Just another piece of a bigger picture. Replicate all the pieces of an economy to be managed locally. Job/gig boards, stores, delivery (door dash style), transaction processing, etc. A relatively small local company can manage it using open source tools, and then other communities can use the same tools following their lead. Local economies can scale better, and can help rebuild community. On Wed, Aug 14, 2024, 11:27 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This is a tangent, but on the same vein. > > I find myself with my wife and kids at lots of craft fairs, etc. In all > cases, the conversation goes something like: > > "Oh, those earrings.. $12.50 with a card, $10 with cash." I know in all > those cases, it's a situation where they're getting boned by a company like > Toast or one of these other middleman transaction processors. > > I think it would be cool if there was a more local option, but offered the > same level of ease of use that [insert POS system] I see things like odoo > out there, but I don't know how FOSS friendly they are. > > Tim. > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2024 at 9:06 PM Gregory Boyce via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> For the last 5 years or so, I"ve been putting a lot of thought into what >> I would like the tech industry to look like in the future, and what steps >> we could take in order to achieve it. >> >> What I see is locally managed tech infrastructure focused on local >> communities. Communities can share the same open source tools instead of >> depending on large centralized platforms. This would mean that the people >> who make the decisions about how online commerce operates in the area could >> actually be close to the users and acting on their best interests. >> >> I see this looking like community sales platforms connecting people to >> the local stores, various Fediverse compatible platforms for Social Media, >> video sharing, chat systems, and jobs boards. >> >> Each service is an opportunity to help people pay each other instead of >> sending money out of the community. >> >> The services could be hosted on existing cloud platforms, but I've been >> looking at building community clouds, hopefully partnered with municipal >> fiber. >> >> To me, it's more about a philosophical shift around the motivations of >> developers more than anything, but I'd love to meet with people who'd like >> to help build a proof of concept. >> >> On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 6:14 PM Mike kantrowitz < >> mike.kantrowitz01(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Sorry I couldn't join for dinner after the last meeting. Sounds like it >>> was a good conversation. >>> I'm definitely interested in further conversation about tech and social >>> change. >>> >>> /mike >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 2:55 PM John Stoffel via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> "Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>>> >>>> > Awesome. I'll have to try to make it to an upcoming event. >>>> >>>> And we will be sure to publicize this on the wlug.org web site as >>>> well. >>>> >>>> > I was thinking about setting up either a Matrix server for chat, or >>>> > a Lemmy server for a reddit-like set of discussion forums. >>>> >>>> Would the chats be logged for later viewing? I'm not familiar with >>>> either setup. I honestly prefer email lists, but that's because I >>>> find interacting in a web browser for forums to be a pain in the rear >>>> because I have to use the mouse for some much, which just slows me >>>> down. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 7:48 PM Kevin Harrington < >>>> mad.hephaestus(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Count me in! I have been working on a book on the topic for a few >>>> years on and off. Fyi just >>>> > about every meeting of Robot Club turns into one of those sort of >>>> discussions. We meet at >>>> > technocopia Saturdays 1-4. >>>> >>>> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2024, 7:34 PM Gregory Boyce via WLUG < >>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hey folks, >>>> >>>> > At dinner after the last meeting we had an interesting >>>> conversation around the >>>> > intersection of software/technology and big picture social >>>> change. This has been an area >>>> > of interest of mine for a while now, and I'd love to connect >>>> with other people who would >>>> > be interested in talking about ways to make meaningful change. >>>> >>>> > Would anyone be interested in joining a discussion on >>>> something like Discord, Slack, or >>>> > maybe an open source alternative? >>>> >>>> > -- >>>> > Greg Boyce >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> > Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> > Web Forum/Archive: >>>> > >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BNJIS… >>>> >>>> > -- >>>> > Greg >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> > Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> > Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ERVCY… >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NYRKA… >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> Greg >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/DHWFA… >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". >

9 months, 4 weeks

Re: [Wlug] Digitally signed e-mails

by Mike Frysinger

On Sunday 23 November 2003 14:00, Andy Stewart wrote: > While I was cleaning out my inbox e-mail folder, I ran across several > e-mails from WLUG members which were digitally signed. I've recently > upgraded to SuSE 9.0 and the 'new' version of KDE's Kmail flags these > e-mails in bright yellow. Kmail is telling me that I don't have the > senders public key available, and thus it isn't sure that the mail actually > camed from the claimed sender. you're probably using one of the latest versions of kmail so pgp integration is a breeze (i think this started around 3.1 with the inclusion of the Ägypten Project) http://kmail.kde.org/ http://www.gnupg.org/aegypten/ a pretty good HOWTO that is generic to any distro: http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html for you Gentoo wh0res: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gnupg-user.xml > My question is this: how do I get someone's public key ? with kmail/gnupg it *can* be automagic ... otherwise you could just use the web interfaces keyservers (like the mit one) provide or the cmdline interface gnupg provides (it's harsh :D) here's some nice options i use in my ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf file: keyserver x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve keyserver-options verbose keyserver-options verbose keyserver-options verbose > 1) How do I know that the public key I'm given really belongs to the person > giving it ? Short of receiving it in person, and assuming that the person > isn't an imposter, I suppose I eventually have to limit my level of > paranoia to some level of trust. :-) you hit it exactly ... there is NO way of knowing for sure unless you meet the person in real life and swap each others keys right then and there (it's actually what a lot of developers do when they meet at places like Linuxworld ... it sets up the basic web of trust pgp is built on) ... but then again we dont all need that level of paranoia when talking with other random wlug users do we ? ;) -mike

21 years, 6 months

Re: [Wlug] Topics for next meeting...

by Tim Keller

Eric, Firstly, congratulations! Eli might be too young for it right now, but a couple years ago I bought Isabelle a "Snap Circuits" kit: http://www.amazon.com/Elenco-Snap-Circuits-SC-300-Physics/dp/B00CIXVIRQ It's been a hit in our house. I'm thinking of buying a copy of "Code Monkey Island": http://codemonkeyplanet.com/ Though I'd like to see the reviews first. Later, Tim. On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > We just had our second and our first is super interested in things so I'm > on board too. Telephony is also good for my job so no arguments here. > > > On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have a 7 year old, so kids & education sounds great. >> >> Telephony would be a great topic as well. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Joel >> >> >> >> >> On October 14, 2014 5:37:27 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I figure we're half way through October at this point, we should start >> thinking about what we'd like talk about for a topic next month. >> >> One area that's of interest to me with young kids is educational programs >> that work on linux. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> >> >> ---------- >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > -- > Eric Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

10 years, 7 months

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