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Re: [EXT] Framework Laptops

by Jason Couture

It's been so long, where and when is the meeting again? I don't think I ever attended when I joined in 2012 or so. On Mon, Jan 16, 2023, 10:48 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > We have a meeting coming up on the 26th, this sounds like a great starter > topic! > > Cara, would you be interested in coming to the meeting and doing a demo? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 3:14 PM Jason Couture via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> The other cool thing though: >> You can 3d print a case for the old board if you upgrade. I plan on >> making a dock for them that will fit in 2-3u with a usb-backplane with a >> 10gbe switch, and 2x usb-c 10gbe + Power delivery. You'd be able to pack >> them super dense. Great for a proxmox or harvester cluster. >> >> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 3:12 PM Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I've had no issues with mine on fedora. For what it's worth. >>> >>> Highly recommend framework. Although I did get the runaround with >>> support about a usb4 dock. Kept getting me to try windows, despite the fact >>> I had. >>> >>> But we have 3, they're rock solid. >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 12:22 PM John Stoffel via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>>> >>>> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:52:40PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG >>>> wrote: >>>> >> Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing >>>> >> the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days >>>> >> from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting >>>> >> the last required field filled in? Or what? >>>> >>>> > Hi! I'm the workstudy in question. According to the emails I >>>> > received for moving through each step in the process, it took 42 >>>> > days from me submitting my deposit and me receiving a physical >>>> > laptop that I could start using. >>>> >>>> Would you be willing to come to a WLUG meeting and show off your new >>>> toy to the rest of us? I do like the idea of that laptop, but I'd >>>> like to get my hands on it to see how the feel of it really is. >>>> >>>> > For context, I ordered the "DIY edition" which didn't come with the >>>> RAM or >>>> > storage. I ordered both on Amazon and they arrived a bit before the >>>> laptop. >>>> >>>> > I'm currently writing this from my Gentoo install on it! The only >>>> > two issues I ran into was that the wifi card (Intel AX210) firmware >>>> > wasn't in the "stable" kernel, so I had to keyword my system to >>>> > ~amd64. The other issue I ran into was that kernel 5.19.12 had a bad >>>> > display driver that caused flickering >>>> > ( >>>> https://community.frame.work/t/psa-dont-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-5-19-12/231… >>>> ) >>>> >>>> Did you fix the flickering with a newer kernel version? Its been >>>> years since I ran Gentoo (got tired of all the recompiles, but this >>>> was 10+ years ago for sure....) and I thought it was pretty damn >>>> bleeding edge in terms of kernels. >>>> >>>> I'm currently running kernel 6.0.8 on my main Debian Buster home >>>> NFS/KVM/etc server and it works great, but it is headless. >>>> >>>> John >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3RZJO… >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KZV2E… >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6AN6H… >

2 years, 4 months

Re: [Wlug] Oct 24, 2002: Install Fest !

by brad

I will. This will be a good time for that. -b On Thursday 26 September 2002 09:27 am, Wes Allen wrote: > anyone want to help me with that ipaq install then? > > WEs > > On Thursday 26 September 2002 9:18 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI Everybody, > > > > I have reserved the HIggins Labs discovery classroom (HL218?) for our > > upcoming install fest! This is scheduled for Thursday, Oct. 24, which is > > the night which was scheduled for our next WLUG meeting. I thought that > > the first week of B term would work out well for the WPI undergraduates. > > In place of the meeting, we'll have the install fest from 6:30 - 9:30 PM > > (yes, the time is earlier for this occasion). I will update the website > > shortly. > > > > If you know people who are interested in having us help them with a Linux > > installation, please ask them to send me an e-mail so I can keep track. > > We can probably accomodate folks who want us to configure something but > > I'd like to give priority to installations. Voyeurs are most welcome to > > watch and learn! > > > > Would somebody from WPILA please post this information on some > > appropriate WPI newsgroups, bulletin boards, and the like? I'd like to > > give priority to WPI students and allow "outsiders" if we have enough > > space. Remember, we have another install fest in February which is open > > to everybody. > > > > WLUG / WPILA Linux Install Fest > > Date: Thursday, Oct. 24, 2002 > > Time: 6:30 - 9:30 PM > > E-mail: andystewart(a)attbi.com > > > > Later, > > > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

22 years, 8 months

RE: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Karl Hiramoto

USB flash drives now are in sizes from 16MB, 32MB, 64MB, 128MB, 256MB, 512MB, 1GB AND 2GB. They sell them online and as places like BestBuy, circit city, and most places with electroinics. They are replacing floppies for removable storage. Whith all this talk about Knoppix i'm downloading the ISO now :) On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, John Stoffel wrote: > > Steve> There were a couple of things I liked about Knoppix. The first > Steve> is that you don't have to go through all the YaST screens when > Steve> you boot, Knoppix just boots right up to KDE and logs you on as > Steve> user knoppix. The other neat thing about Knoppix is that you > Steve> can save your configuration and home directory of the size you > Steve> specify on a USB flash drive. With SuSE if you want to save > Steve> your configuration/home dir it creates a 100MB file on your > Steve> hard drive (and another 100MB for swap if you want). With > Steve> Knoppix you can carry a cheap ($10 after rebate) 64MB USB flash > Steve> drive around with you and a Knoppix CD and boot a PC into your > Steve> personal environment without touching the hard disk. > > So where did you find this flash drive? It sounds like a great way to > have Linux available when you don't want to screw with someones > computer! And what sizes do they have supported? > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø "There is hopeful symbolism in the fact that flags do not wave in a vacuum." --Arthur C. Clarke

21 years, 9 months

Re: [Wlug] Topics for next meeting...

by thinkbrown＠gmail.com

I'd be willing to do a little presentation on Asterisk. I ran a server at WPI with Nortel UNISTIM and software SIP clients. Logan Brown On Oct 14, 2014 8:37 PM, "E Johnson" <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I would be interested in SIP & internet telephony. Would LOVE an open > source, low cost (server) alternative to Skype. Not attached to when a > presentation like this might happen, but would like to hear how someone > made this work. Tried Ekiga and I think one other several years ago... it > worked but the sound was horrible. Hopefully the technology has progressed > considerably since then. > > Liz J > > > On 14 October 2014 18:59, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > >> Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: >> >> > I figure we're half way through October at >> > this point, we should start thinking about >> > what we'd like talk about for a topic next >> > month. >> >> Start thinking? Was it Curly Howard who said: >> "I'm trying, but nothing happens"? >> >> Actually, I thought the young dude sitting >> next to me, whose name I forget, semi-voluteered >> to talk about SIP and internet telephony. >> >> I hope he remembers and tells this list >> who he is and whether he is ready. >> >> > One area that's of interest to me with >> > young kids is educational programs that >> > work on linux. >> >> Is that a proposal, or a RFP? >> >> -- Keith >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

10 years, 8 months

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5

by joel d

Came late. Did I miss it? Tech pizza? Other location? Thank you, Joel On Dec 12, 2012 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Need some help with digital signal processing ... (David Glaser) > 2. Announce: Meeting December 12th 7PM, WPI Campus Center > Mid-Century Room 331 (Chuck Anderson) > 3. Re: Need some help with digital signal processing ... (Jeff Moyer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:33:22 -0500 > From: David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> > Subject: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ... > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <50C86B82.5030301(a)glaserresearch.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Folks, > > I need some help with an Android app for the hearing impaired. > Essentially, the app is to be used with a wearable android device > (Google Glasses or theSony android wrist watch) and will listen for > sounds such as the door bell or the tty, or any other household > soundthat should be reported to the wearer. > > Capturing the sound using an Android device is not the problem. What I > don't know is how to compare the incoming sound stream with sound > signatures that should cause the event to occur. Once the event occurs, > then text can be displayed on the googleglasses or the haptic transducer > on the wrist watch can be activated. > > This app is intended to be open sourceso I'm looking for volunteer help > on the algorithms. I will do the programming. > > Regards > > David Glaser > dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20121212/8dede17f/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 07:47:11 -0500 > From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > Subject: [Wlug] Announce: Meeting December 12th 7PM, WPI Campus Center > Mid-Century Room 331 > To: wlug(a)wlug.org > Message-ID: <20121212124710.GZ29170(a)angus.ind.WPI.EDU> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > We are having a WLUG meeting this evening, December 12, at 7:00 PM in > the WPI Campus Center, Mid-Century Room 331. > > http://www.wpi.edu/Admin/CC/Floorplans/37678.htm > > This seems like a good time to talk about the WLUG website. We've had > half-completed plans since about 2 years ago to replace the hardware > and software to create a Wiki or Drupal site to replace the outdated > and manually-maintained-by-me HTML site. This week I plan to finally > migrate things over to the new server, but the content will still be > the old HTML site for now. We need some volunteers to help build a > new site in either MediaWiki or Drupal or some other framework. > > After the meeting, we'll continue discussions over at Tech Pizza. > > Hope to see you there, > Chuck > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 190 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20121212/d872da62/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:33:35 -0500 > From: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ... > To: David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net>, Worcester Linux Users > Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <x49zk1jl4qo.fsf(a)segfault.boston.devel.redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> writes: > > > Hi Folks, > > > > I need some help with an Android app for the hearing impaired. > > Essentially, the app is to be used with a wearable android device > > (Google Glasses or theSony android wrist watch) and will listen for > > sounds such as the door bell or the tty, or any other household > > soundthat should be reported to the wearer. > > > > Capturing the sound using an Android device is not the problem. What I > > don't know is how to compare the incoming sound stream with sound > > signatures that should cause the event to occur. Once the event > > occurs, then text can be displayed on the googleglasses or the haptic > > transducer on the wrist watch can be activated. > > > > This app is intended to be open sourceso I'm looking for volunteer > > help on the algorithms. I will do the programming. > > We've got some smart folks on this list, no doubt, but it might serve > you better to ask this question in a more focused forum. Try > http://www.reddit.com/r/DSP/ for starters. > > Good luck! > Jeff > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5 > ************************************ >

12 years, 6 months

Re: DECStation 3100 on a RPi2040...

by David Glaser

>> The implementation was kept so secret that it caught Dave Cutler, >> then working on DEC's next-generation operating system and chips, by >> surprise when it debuted at a Board Meeting in Maynard, >> Massachusetts. Shortly after that board meeting Mr. Cutler left >> Digital and moved (with some of his team) to Microsoft. > Do you think that was just the straw that broke the camel's back? > Actually, Cutler was already in trouble with management because of the Prism project. Prism was the first try at building a RISC machine (this was in the 1985-1986 time frame) and it was managed by Dave Cutler. Unfortunately, Dave was not a good administrator. He was doing a very bad job of managing the project and doing a very bad job of keeping management up to date on what was going on. Finally, management cancelled Prism and that is when they decided to go with the MIPS architecture. Dave was trying to rehabilitate himself but the DECStation 3100 basically yanked the rug from under him -- among other things. The adoption of the MIPS architecture caused a lot of grumbling and unhappiness with the troops because of the NIH factor. This in turn allowed Bob Palmer and others to push for a new try at a RISC architecture and thus the Alpha was born. Unfortunately, Alpha took up a lot of resources (hardware design, software, semiconductor) that should have been used elsewhere - e.g., Concentrate of MIPS for high end and intel or motorola for the low end, Ultrix instead of OSF, etc. The Hudson facility (along with disk drives) was a real money sink. Bob Palmer came from the manufacturing side and I think he loathed dismantling DECs vertical integration. When the board of directors told him to preserve shareholder equity, he then started to sell off pieces of the company which started dismantling the vertical integration. But then it was too late. -David

11 months, 1 week

Re: [Wlug] Wednesday's WLUG - noob question on XML editor

by douglas.r.aker＠verizon.com

Hi Doug, My efforts with XML have involved XML generation (using perl programs) and XML transformations (using xsltproc). I haven't had much experience with a manually operated XML editor. I did like the free pspad program a lot though: www.pspad.com. Also, on Suse Linux there's the KXML editor. Doug "d.maly(a)ieee.org" <d_maly(a)charter.net> Sent by: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org 10/07/2006 12:41 PM Please respond to "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> To wlug(a)mail.wlug.org cc Subject Re: [Wlug] Wednesday's WLUG - noob question on XML editor This stuff is new to me, so wanted to dabble a bit before the meeting. My question is: what's your favorite editor for XML? My past experience with HTML has been with Mozilla editors in Windows, and I find them to be adequate (and free). Thanks, Doug Maly > Hi All: > > Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm working hard to make my preso at > this Wednesday's WLUG meeting (October 11) interesting, informative, > innovative. Something different, without being annoying. > > Bring any of your friends that might be interested in data visualization, > web design, XML, SVG, etc. > > During the preso, interrupt me with questions as much as you want, and > make a mental note where my presentation isn't clear or drags. I'm hoping > to get as much feedback as possible so that the next time I present this > topic it will be better. > > Thanks, > Doug > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20061006/0cbce3e5/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 36, Issue 2 > *********************************** > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

18 years, 8 months

Re: We've got meeting on the 8th of August!

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > So it might be a really good thing for us to show some of this, along > with some of the basic apps. > > - web browser > - inkscape > - gimp > - libre office > > Basic productivity which most people would want to use. I guess what counts as productivity depends upon what you want to produce. I need a web browser (Firefox) to learn about stuff and get it. Is there any reason to prefer one over another? I didn't know what inkscape is. Googled it (with browser). It looks like it might be fun to play with, but is it "productivity"? I have used gimp years ago, mostly to make party invitations with logo and map. I might have used inkscape if I knew about it at the time. Office, I have heard, can read Microsoft Office documents, which is something I refuse to do. Years ago I filtered out a lot of stupid spam by setting the SMTP server to reject anything with an attached MS-Word file. I think it still does that, but nobody sends them anymore. I'm hoping it follows Adobe shockwave flash web pages into oblivion. Besides the browser, my "productivity apps" are: -- emacs. There may be other ASCII editors, but how can one produce _anything_ without _some_ editor? -- gcc. I am interested in the Scheme programming language, but I need a C compiler (and make) to make the Scheme interpreter, and everything else. -- evince. A *.pdf reader. If I download a journal article, it's a PDF. -- TeX, LaTeX. To make my own article.pdf. -- Postfix, Apache. That's the way I roll. Others might think Facebook is a good substitute. Phltt! This conversation started with a link to a Video. How do you make a video? You get the raw material from a video camera/"phone", but what software should I use to cut and paste, maybe enlarge and crop? -- Keith

10 months, 2 weeks

Re: [Wlug] Uninstall Suse Linux 8.0

by philrmcss＠netscape.net

Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: >On Sunday 06 March 2005 7:20 pm, philrmcss(a)netscape.net wrote: >> I have installed Suse Linux Home Edition 8.0 on my machine. Something went >> wrong when it installed, and it won't see my mouse. Hence, I can't >> navigate within it. Can anyone tell me how to uninstall it, and restore my >> hard drive to its original configuration, until I can install another >> version? >> >> Thanks >> >> Phil > >Hi Phil, > >If you give us more info, we might be able to help you fix the mouse. What >type of mouse do you have? Is it a PS/2 mouse, a USB interface, or is it >perhaps a serial mouse? Feel free to describe the connector if you're >unsure. > >Later, > >Andy > >-- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA USA >http://www.wlug.org > Andy: Just because I can, I have 3 mouses (mice?) connected to my machine: a PS-2 2-button track-ball wannabe, a USB microsoft thumb-driven trackball, and a USB optical (as opposed to the little ball in the bottom) 3-button mouse. In windows, they all control the cursor quite well. When I try to log in to Linux, the moment that I touch a mouse (even if I only have one -- any one -- mouse connected, my cursor moves extremely rapidly to the top of the screen, and out of sight. My next move is to re-boot and go into Gates-ville. When's the next meeting? Where? I attended a meeting over a year ago, and you'd just moved into that multi-media room. Thanks. Phil __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

20 years, 3 months

Re: Wlug meeting on Thurs. Dec 10th 2020 @7pm.

by Tim Keller

I've got a fair amount of centos in production... this sucks... guess I'm going to Debian now... On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 9:10 AM Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > And for anyone looking to contribute to Greg's efforts: > > https://github.com/hpcng/rocky > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:23 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:35:24PM -0500, Frank Sweetser via WLUG wrote: >> > Well, there's plenty talk about for CentOS users, like what you're >> going to >> > switch to now that CentOS is becoming something completely different: >> > >> > https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ >> >> My favorite comment on that post: >> >> "Gregory Kurtzer says: >> December 8, 2020 at 4:27 pm >> >> I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may even be able >> to hire some people for this effort. If you are interested in helping, >> please join the HPCng slack (link on the website hpcng.org) >> >> Greg >> (original founder of CentOS)" >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ON4X3… >> > > > -- > - Frank > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PSPQY… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

4 years, 6 months

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