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Re: Wlug Meeting Oct 13th @7PM: Topic: Fotoxx, Speaker: Dick Miller, Location: WPI Mid Century Room.

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

I will try to make it to the virtual location. It sound interesting. I am looking googling mdadm for a raid 1 drive. In particular I am making notes of how to mount a raid1 drive (for emergency recovery). Is the expected location of the raid array at /dev/mdXX or /dev/md/mdXX? Is it one of those two is historical or is it one of those thing that just does not matter? On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, at 12:54 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Everybody! > > Date/Time: Oct 13th 2022, 7PM-??PM > Physical Location: WPI Mid Century Room (rm 321) > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Speaker: Dick Miller > > Dick Miller is going to be speaking about Fotoxx! > https://kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html > From the webpage: Navigate a large image collection using a thumbnail browser, click on an image to view or edit. A rich set of edit and retouch functions is available. Import RAW files and edit with deep color. Save revised images as JPEG, PNG (8/16 bits/color), or TIFF (8/16). Select an object or area within an image (freehand draw, follow edges, flood matching tones...), apply edit functions, copy and paste, resize, blend, warp, etc. without using layers. Edit functions have fast feedback using the full image or selected zoom-in area. Edit image metadata (tags, geotags, dates, ratings, captions...). Search images using any combination of metadata and file and folder names or partial names. Click a marker on a scalable world map to view all photos from that location. Batch functions are available to rename, add/revise metadata, copy/move, resize, convert format. Fotoxx uses your image files wherever they are and maintains a separate index for fast searching. Fotoxx is standards compliant and can be used with other photo programs (no lock-in). Fotoxx is easy to use but unconventional, so read the user guide (at least the first few pages) before jumping in. Fotoxx has deep functionality. Do not expect to master it in a few minutes. > > Along with the presentation, as usual expect the usual amount of banter about all things Linux/FOSS/etc. > > Snacks and Refreshments will be provided and we'll head off to have dinner afterwards to continue the conversation. > > I hope to see you there! > > Thanks, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MMMMO… > -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

2 years, 11 months

Re: [Wlug] looking forward to the 15th!

by Wesley Allen

I'm backing up now.... I'll get the bootloader installed and I'm bringing my laptop w/ win4lin so I'll have activesync if we need it... Am I going to have to manually add my contacts back in? I've been toying w/the qtopia demo... hmmmm. Wes On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 15:01, brad wrote: > Wes, > Almost time ... here's a small check list to keep in mind. > > -make sure you have all your data backed up. > > -you will have to install bootblaster before you get to the meeting because > you need to install it with activesync, which i don't have. > > here's the web page > http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.6.1/install/install-bootldr.html > do the steps up to 'installing the bootldr'. (We'll do that at the meeting). > > - you may want to bring your laptop with ppp and minicom installed (i think > you said you had one). Once we have linux install i can set up ppp for you so > you can talk to your ipaq from linux. > > I think that's it, let me know if you have any questions. > > --brad > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

22 years, 8 months

Re: [Wlug] Next WLUG Meeting: Keysigning Party 9/11/2013

by Chuck Anderson

Now is a good time to check if your key is expired and/or is using a weak algorithm or key size, and generate a new key if necessary. I followed the steps here to start a transition from an ancient 1024D (DSA 1024-bit) key to a modern 4096R (RSA 4096-bit) key: http://www.apache.org/dev/key-transition.html See you all tonight! On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 10:48:00PM -0400, Eric Martin wrote: > Just a reminder that this week I'll be giving a talk on PGP and running a > key signing. Please upload your public key to the keyring before the > meeting to register for the key signing. It is possible to participate > without registering but it's a lot easier if you register. > > Please don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions. > > > On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Eric Martin > <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA256 > > > > On Wednesday, September 11th 2013 I'll be running a PGP Key Signing > > party. PGP stands for Pretty Good Privacy and was developed by Phil > > Zimmerman in 1991 for secure communications. Signing keys allows you to > > say that you trust somebody's key, and extends the Web of Trust which > > helps everybody. > > > > To participate, please bring your public key's fingerprint, and at least > > (2) forms of ID (Government issued photo ID is the best way to go). If > > you don't yet have a public key, follow the directions for 'Preparing > > for the Party' from this [1] Key Signing Party HOWTO. > > > > Additionally, please upload your public key to our keyring for this > > event here [2]. I'll give a brief talk on PGP, and then we'll go > > through everybody's keys. > > > > What not to bring: A computer. Keys are signed at home, we just verify > > them at the Key Signing. > > > > [1] > > > > http://www.cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.htm… > > [2] http://biglumber.com/x/web?keyring=4480 > > > > - -- > > Eric Martin > > Key Fingerprint = C74F 1EBF 2E80 7984 8CB5 064E BF17 D34C C704 B30F > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (Darwin) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > > > iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJSIBdBAAoJEL8X00zHBLMPIP8P/AmMZiaHpVo3Mq72yOXONUbX > > bUUFKtK2qCFw0g8uAJ63D5hL7kDTbWXlTWsm+73jvkaofsKyTP8hNR0ulr5ni7dw > > X7EEQYSpK0MufQzEqUpfEoIa6I8Pjfa5qIWNOAuJDJpAwR8+0S2urGcQML0YarFG > > fys0HHWW69kYG8CTGZw/0ATmBdVZFiZEjXFk6R5wIB33SvXtzuPTLltoded5bpwK > > svtZf4Fa3QlaEBlg25AKWFpa6OOTt3eUBQU/KNGjhfIrLkhpsbuhcbAD6C6DPtzk > > 25P/9TWCSaRAcyT29amGG5qLrFEHklAic6UcOjIJtlN6ywcHSbVtHOcxIA4OmBLy > > e0HeskGlqu/qhqgZxDQMWbvMUdzIRqCa+pMzxGI40+w6tHnlTGPW1MZbZJxhfStW > > AC720w6U+q/b9iCiZHF634gbvIL6Da3G2G20Vhr4h6s1rOX53sfgIqmoB66A6SPC > > P6MUkO42oPdEQ7WE+69f7VHGyXgkEnJUaEXGYoBdILV3qyHyNJNKF/X7o0Vtf+xn > > rJTokOgCEyg5xRtzQFlYpdiIoR/BMHTteKsyki6px2hn4bCsNItOJNhG8IutVo/o > > qofPVIyJaiA5o7G7z8QNeppy4NBq0h752T0lU/gSs9ojhBzQ9kVuhR4PNL6QcZ98 > > +rLxS3s1fEsTmakIpo2G > > =lNN3 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

12 years

Next WLUG Meeting: Keysigning Party 9/11/2013

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On Wednesday, September 11th 2013 I'll be running a PGP Key Signing party. PGP stands for Pretty Good Privacy and was developed by Phil Zimmerman in 1991 for secure communications. Signing keys allows you to say that you trust somebody's key, and extends the Web of Trust which helps everybody. To participate, please bring your public key's fingerprint, and at least (2) forms of ID (Government issued photo ID is the best way to go). If you don't yet have a public key, follow the directions for 'Preparing for the Party' from this [1] Key Signing Party HOWTO. Additionally, please upload your public key to our keyring for this event here [2]. I'll give a brief talk on PGP, and then we'll go through everybody's keys. What not to bring: A computer. Keys are signed at home, we just verify them at the Key Signing. [1] http://www.cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.htm… [2] http://biglumber.com/x/web?keyring=4480 - -- Eric Martin Key Fingerprint = C74F 1EBF 2E80 7984 8CB5 064E BF17 D34C C704 B30F -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJSIBdBAAoJEL8X00zHBLMPIP8P/AmMZiaHpVo3Mq72yOXONUbX bUUFKtK2qCFw0g8uAJ63D5hL7kDTbWXlTWsm+73jvkaofsKyTP8hNR0ulr5ni7dw X7EEQYSpK0MufQzEqUpfEoIa6I8Pjfa5qIWNOAuJDJpAwR8+0S2urGcQML0YarFG fys0HHWW69kYG8CTGZw/0ATmBdVZFiZEjXFk6R5wIB33SvXtzuPTLltoded5bpwK svtZf4Fa3QlaEBlg25AKWFpa6OOTt3eUBQU/KNGjhfIrLkhpsbuhcbAD6C6DPtzk 25P/9TWCSaRAcyT29amGG5qLrFEHklAic6UcOjIJtlN6ywcHSbVtHOcxIA4OmBLy e0HeskGlqu/qhqgZxDQMWbvMUdzIRqCa+pMzxGI40+w6tHnlTGPW1MZbZJxhfStW AC720w6U+q/b9iCiZHF634gbvIL6Da3G2G20Vhr4h6s1rOX53sfgIqmoB66A6SPC P6MUkO42oPdEQ7WE+69f7VHGyXgkEnJUaEXGYoBdILV3qyHyNJNKF/X7o0Vtf+xn rJTokOgCEyg5xRtzQFlYpdiIoR/BMHTteKsyki6px2hn4bCsNItOJNhG8IutVo/o qofPVIyJaiA5o7G7z8QNeppy4NBq0h752T0lU/gSs9ojhBzQ9kVuhR4PNL6QcZ98 +rLxS3s1fEsTmakIpo2G =lNN3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

12 years

Re: [Wlug] Did anybody show up last night?

by killaken2000 .

I want to attend but I don't know anyone and I don't want to be there not knowing where I'm going or what I'm doing. Also when is the next one? I do hope that everyone had a good time though. Would have loved to have been there for the ZFS and FreeNAS talks. Take care, Rich On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 3:21 PM, dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net < dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> wrote: > ** > > > > I did not receive a notice for the meeting. > > > > -David > > > On June 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM John Platt <jplatt39(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I did and so did somebody else. I forget his name but today's been > wild. We left at about quarter past. > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Did anybody show up to last night meeting? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

12 years, 3 months

Re: [Wlug] The speaker for the February meeting has been lined up!

by JeffA Maillists

Hi Tim, I don't get to the meetings that often, but any of those subjects would be great IMHO. While not specifically Linux related, maybe one on 3D printing would be cool? I don't have a 3D printer myself as of yet, but a buddy of mine does, and it's pretty awesome. It's amazing what you can create once it's 'dialed in' and you learn how to use it properly. (IE: The proper temperatures for the hotend and bed for different filaments and how to get the plastic to stay 'stuck' to the print bed.) And actually, there _is_ a Linux component to his printer now, lol. We setup a Raspberry Pi running "OctoPrint" on Raspibian to not only control his printer, but it gives it an HTML interface, wireless networking, a webcam monitor and time lapse function. It's really cool! Speaking of the Raspberry Pi, maybe a night about the Pi, the various models (A, B, B+ and the new A+) and some projects that use them would be of interest. For instance, one of my current projects is taking a Dummy Security Camera and converting it into a real HD Wireless Security Camera by putting a Raspberry Pi A+ with a camera and Wifi inside the dummy camera. (the A+ is quite small, so it fits quite well - all the other models won't fit without some potentially serious modifications to the Pi, the Camera case, or both.) One of my other projects is what I've named the 'ScamStopper', it's basically a smart call blocker. It's my solution to stopping the Jamaican Lottery Scammers from getting through to my 93yo Grandmother. It answers any 'unknown' caller with a message (even a custom message for the Jamaican scammers) and doesn't even ring her phone. Only "Known" phone numbers are passed through, sans the first ring. (And yes, we've changed her number a couple of times, but she replies to these 'surveys' and lottery 'entries' all too often, so they end up getting her new number.) Anyways, It's quite a hack in it's current incarnation, but it works well. It cost me about $125 just in components to build this working proof-of-concept. I am working on refining it to cut the cost down and hopefully produce a product I can bring to market. (IE: I'm currently using a $20 USB Modem to get the CallerID, a $40 Call Blocker device to suppress the first ring on her phone, and a $10 USB sound card [as the built-in audio was causing kernel panics, plus I wanted to be able to record on the Pi too, but haven't worked that out yet.]) It might also be cool to cover the Banana Pi, which is a more expensive, but more powerful version of a Pi (dual core processor, 1GB ram, SATA, etc) I have one, but really haven't done anything with it yet, unless you count installing the "Bananaized" version of Raspibian and tinkering a little bit. It's much faster than a Raspberry Pi, thanks to the dual cores and 1GB ram... I haven't decided what I'm going to use it for yet. Anyways, sorry about the 'book', and I hope you find my suggestion(s) helpful. I hope to be a more frequent attendee now that I actually live in Worcester again... Jeff On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > Great news! Andy will be speaking at the Feb. meeting! He's going to be > doing a talk on Mesh networking. I figure this will "mesh" nicely with > Frank's talk about 802.11*[nn]* networking. Once I get the official > title for the talk I'll send out a more official reminder. > > On a different note... Is there anything that people are interested in > that we could work on lining up speakers for? > > Here's a couple of ideas... > * Software defined networking > * Robotics > * Home automation > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

10 years, 7 months

RE: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better!

by Skip Gaede

Folks, William Smith (WS) wrote: Charles Allen (HCA) wrote: > HCA> cool. I'd be willing to donate my box to the cause. > I'd also like > HCA> to see a tutorial on iptables, cause they are a very usual thing. > HCA> Other than that, I think a demo on wine, and getting some of that > HCA> other OS's programs like dreamweaver mx, to work under wine. > > WS> AYE AYE! :) > > WS> as for the iptables, i know that it was done a little over a year ago, > WS> but maybe there could be a bit of an update session, to cover anything > WS> that has changed since then... for example, i was looking at > WS> a guide to > WS> using the iproute2 suite, and i think there are a lot of things that i > WS> need to learn. again. <g> I'm also interested in security and IP Tables. My system has a local network and a cable modem, and with previous versions of Mandrake, they had a wizard to setup netfilter. The 9.0 release dropped the wizard and included a shorewall package. The documentation was not great, but I think I understand it well enough to modify the config files as needed. And I like the package a lot. --Skip

22 years, 9 months

Re: [Wlug] Dec Meeting announcement / linux-raid problem

by soup

I don't run software raid so I'm not sure how it handles filesystem errors but I've used ddrescue to recover drives/arrays that were written off. It's fairly easy to use but can take quite a while depending on what the drive failure was. Simple bad sectors in a bad place it will usually chew through pretty quick, though. Take care, James On 12/18/2010 1:01 PM, Eric Martin wrote: > I have backups of some stuff but I have a program that isn't great > about writing stuff properly so I wanted to see if I could get more. > If I can't it's ok, the backups will suffice. I was just hoping for > more :) The replacement is on it's way so this is a moot point pretty > fast. > > On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:28 AM, James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com > <mailto:jamespgray@gmail.com>> wrote: > > It appears there has been very little traffic as of late. Did you > compare the messages you've received to the wlug archives? > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/ > > As for your RAID issue you I don't have any advice as I have virtually > no experience with it. I assume if you had backups you won't have > bothered writing the group. > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Eric Martin > <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com > <mailto:eric.joshua.martin@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > I just realized that I haven't received anything from WLUG in > over a month, including the announcement for this past meeting. > Did anybody else have this problem or is it just me? > > > > Now, the main reason for my email. My mythbox / home file > server runs linux soft-raid in RAID5 with 3 500GB disks. One disk > went bad a while ago and the array never rebuilt itself. The > other day, the second disk went bad. Am I hosed? I've been > googling for 'rebuild bad linux software raid' but all I get is > the rebuild command. Also, I don't see any tools that will move > bad data to another spot on the disk. This is my first time using > software raid so I'm in a bit over my head. > > > > thanks! > > > > -- > > Eric Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- > Eric Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

14 years, 8 months

Re: old equipment - update

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Pete" == Pete Wason via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Hi, again -- Tried to make it to the last meeting but was abducted, again. Bummers, it was a good meeting! > Most of the old equipment I had at work is gone. I was told to clear > out the room and they found a STEM teacher at a local school who > took it. This is what's left: > (3) Dell PER805 2U rackmount servers (dual opteron) - w/ 1 set of > rails, several new 2.5" SAS spares How loud is this, and can you give more technical details? Speed, core count, memory, etc? > Dell PER415 1U rackmount server (opteron) - w/ separate H700 > HBA+cables, may have 8TB SATA HDD pulls installed (?) (I was unable > to figure out how to make this thing do RAID10; the adaptor itself > is worth something) Maybe, if you can get it to run in pass-thru mode without using the builtin PERC RAID controller. They're usually a pain, and I never trust them. > (3) Dell monitor stands w/o panels Can you give more details on this? Are these VESA mounts? I could use one at my local theatre to mount a monitor onto a wall/desk arm to make some space. I'm also happy to make a run to pickup stuff at pretty much any time. John

11 months, 3 weeks

Re: We've got a meeting next week on the 13th!

by soup

Damn that's some metal. Pricing is up there for a workstation though. It'll drop hopefully, especially with Win11 ARM on the horizon. Much obliged for the info. --- soup On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 4:19 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In my data center I've got a bunch of Ampere ARM servers and they're > awesome. U.2 NVME, lots of PCI slots, etc. > > > https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/everything-ive-learned-building-fast… > > Tim. > > On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 1:51 PM soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Are there any shipping ARM boards/chips for the consumer market? Quick >> look just shows a few ATX server boards with, relatively, ancient ARMs >> bundled. >> The stuff Apple is shipping has the same T2 "problem" the later intel >> machines have with running linux, it's kind of a pain, delicate, and ruins >> the point of having the hardware security in the first place. It'd be >> amazing if they'd work on 1st party support but considering their business >> model I don't see that ever happening. >> >> On the server side, I'm loving ARM. I saw the revolution coming back when >> AWS Graviton was first announced. Pushed a lot of things at work over >> early. With go binaries it's as simple as a compile flag. >> Graviton2 offerings were ~1/3 off the equivalent intel machines for EC2, >> similar discount for lambda. For some of our workloads they were faster >> than intel too. Haven't had occasion to test the grav3 stuff but I imagine >> it's better still. >> If you've got things in interpreted language, go, or projects that have >> been cross-arch and stable a while- mariadb, postgresql, nginx, et al., >> definitely would suggest seeing how it'd work for you. >> >> --- >> soup >> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 12:20 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Keith, >>> >>> It wasn't just you. It seems that it maxes out at some low number of >>> users.. why.. worth investigating, but not at the expense of people being >>> able to get into the meeting. >>> >>> Yeah, ARM for linux has been the "hotness" for a while. Pi definitely >>> brought it to the forefront, but now more and more there are viable arm >>> desktops. >>> >>> As for the AI, there are some FOSS solutions out there that are >>> shockingly amazing. "ollama" is just one of them. >>> No need to pay NVidia for AMD for the privilege. >>> >>> Tim. >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 1:58 PM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>>> >>>> > We've got a meeting next week! Note, I won't be using our own Jitsi >>>> server >>>> > but going to back to the old one since we've had so many issues. >>>> >>>> I think part of the problem was with my micophone to webserver >>>> interface. >>>> >>>> At this point I am thinking of this more as a test than a meeting, >>>> but I plan to do it. >>>> >>>> > If there's a topic that people would like us to tackle, I'd be up for >>>> it! >>>> >>>> I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the latest hardware, but >>>> the radio said something about ARM processor that caught my attention. >>>> ARM means rasberry pi means Linux, no? Wikipedia has an enormous >>>> article (the Citations alone are 11 pages two column) but the last >>>> thing on the page seems to say that Wine is no longer for playing >>>> Windows games on Linux, but that MS needs it to prop up the ass end >>>> of their sorry operating system. Is the monopoly gone? >>>> >>>> The radio also speaks of Nvidia. They sell those Invidious graphics >>>> cards. The ones that need special secret drivers that only work if >>>> you have the right *.dll? It seems that everyone now needs them to >>>> do Artifical Intelligence (all rise). Have they changed their attitude, >>>> or is it like: "Here's your AI. Pay the monthly bill to retain your >>>> licence to use it. Any attempt to try to find out what it does or >>>> how it works will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law of >>>> Connecticut."? >>>> >>>> -- Keith >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/K35PA… >>> >> > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". >

1 year, 3 months

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