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Re: WLUG Meeting Feb 11th 2021! Topic: Good question!

by Tim Keller

John, My perspective was from working at Stratus. Continuum at the time was our flagship line of servers that ran on PA-RISC and with Itanium it was clear the end of the line for PA-RISC was coming. Bob Evans and others who were more intimately involved can probably explain it better, but I remember Stratus getting a couple Itanium development workstations and my recollection was that the engineers weren't impressed. It wasn't a fundamental improvement on PA-RISC as far as they could tell. Ultimately VOS was ported to Xeon and the rest is history. I'm *sure* someone somewhere is still happily running PA-RISC based Stratus servers, but I have to imagine that number dwindles each year. Personally I have a hypothesis that Intel had really put it's bets on Xeon and wasn't really that invested in Itanium. What it did do was get HP out of the HPC market. It's fair to say that Xeon based systems running Linux pretty much put the coffin nails in MIPS, PA-RISC and ultimately Sparc and likely a few others I don't know about and with it the various operating systems that didn't get ported to Xeon. On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 11:44 AM Jon "maddog" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I still vividly remember my boss showing me the plans for support of > Intel's Itanium processor. > > As someone who taught operating systems and compiler design for a number > of years I still remember my shock that THIS was the answer for Intel's > 64-bit chip....an Ultra-Wide Instruction set. > > I wailed away about how all of this was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.....mostly > because I had spent the past six months proving why even a regular CISC > system was the wrong answer, and here Intel was going in the opposite > direction. > > After twenty minutes of me fuming my boss simply grinned, shrugged his > shoulders and left my office. > > While I was proud of the fact that the Alpha processor was so prominent in > the production of the movie "Titanic"......now I had to deal with a real > life "Itanic"....watching it sink. > > md > > P.S. It was only a month or so after, I think, that AMD came out with a > reasonable extension to the i86 architecture....which (although it was not > RISC) I was reasonably happy with. > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 7:24 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Hey Everybody, >> >> We've got a meeting next week on the 11th at our same time (7pm) >> >> As for a topic, if somebody would like to present something, I'd be >> up for it. >> I figure we'd all toast the depreciation of Itanium in the linux kernel. >> Good riddance! >> >> We'll definitely be talking about the PI4 Nano!! >> >> As usual, I'm sure other topics will organically surface. >> >> Location: Our usual Jitsu haunt: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >> >> Later, >> Tim. >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BJNCC… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

4 years, 4 months

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 32, Issue 16

by d.maly＠ieee.org

Thanks Andy. Please send me a link to "Night Life." I did a google search on that and "Worcester" but got a ton of stuff about bars! Doug > Hi Doug, > > Since you cc'd the list, it should appear in the digest shortly. If it > does not, please let me know and I'll investigate. > > I believe that the Night Life program in Worcester offers a class in > Linux, taught by a WLUG member. However, I don't know what Night Life's > policy is regarding a student's age. In addition, The Town of > Chelmsford has a Community Education program which offers Linux classes > (taught by another WLUG member), but that's probably too far away for you. > > Finally, you're always welcome to attend a WLUG meeting in Worcester. > We're open to all ages and ability levels. Keep an eye on the meeting > postings in case something of interest comes along. > > Later, > > Andy >

18 years, 11 months

Meeting Tomorrow?

by Joel

Hi, Are having a WLUG meeting as tomorrow 2/9 is the second Thursday? Thank you, Joel On February 6, 2023 10:46:54 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey all, > > I thought I'd share a side project I've been working on, which involves building containers with Nvidia kernel modules and userspace components that work as bootable OS images thanks to "container-native" support within Fedora Silverblue. > > This approach has several advantages over the traditional package management model for installing out-of-tree drivers, including: > > 1) Have the install process and QA shift from client side to server side, making a CI/CD model of driver distribution possible. > > 2) Eliminate the possibility of update failures (i.e., will a , as only container builds with successful runs will be committed to a container registry and updates are delivered with an "immutable" model > > 3) Modules are signed with one key from a central repo, ensuring that only one key has to be enrolled for all client systems for enabling secure boot support > > 4) Enable the possibility of supporting multiple driver release streams. i.e., give users the freedom to rebase on 525xx, 520xx, 470xx series drivers, etc, as well as pin to a specific image snapshot in case of a driver regression > > 5) Have the ability to download a pre-built bootable image from a central repo, or build an image locally with further customizations thanks to the flexibility of the Containerfile format > > 6) Give maintainers a broader framework for debugging regressions, namely being able to boot into a specific snapshot listed in a bug report > > It's true that Nvidia has been the source of many hardware issues. I refuse to own an Nvidia card because of this. But many Linux users use Nvidia, which I thought would be a great motivation for working on a container-native approach to out-of-three driver support. > > More info here: > > Nvidia images available for testing! > > We did it! Hassle-free Nvidia drivers on Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite: Testers wanted! > > > Nvidia Linux users, this thirty-four line Containerfile might make your life suck way less. > > - Josh > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UCJVP…

2 years, 4 months

Re: [Wlug] Next Meeting January 12th 2017!

by Tim Keller

Jon, That would be fantastic! Thanks, Tim. On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Jon "maddog" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com > wrote: > Ok. > > So unless someone writes to the list and says "Heck no, I do not want that > as****e invading from the frozen north to talk about such an inane topic." > I will trundle my way down and give my talk: > > Title: "What SBC computer is right for *me*"? > > I will need an LCD projector with either VGA or HDMI input. > > md > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017, 07:43 Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> That sounds great! >> >> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 5:05 AM Robert Schwein < >> robert.athol.mass(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I certainly would be very interested. >> >> >> Thanks, Bob >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/4/2017 9:02 PM, Jon "maddog" Hall >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I recently gave a talk on "How to pick a single board >> >> computer". I would be happy to give this to you folks. >> >> >> Let me know. >> >> >> md >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017, 20:59 Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hey Gang, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Our next meeting is going to be >> >> January 12th 2017. I'm going to be unable to attend. I >> >> initially was planning on giving a talk about git >> >> methodologies, I'm going to do that talk in February >> >> instead. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If anyone would like to setup and do >> >> a talk, by all means, let me know, otherwise, I'll declare >> >> this an general meeting. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Tim. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> I am leery >> >> of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Wlug mailing list >> >> >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wlug mailing list >> >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wlug mailing list >> >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> -- >> Sent from Gmail Mobile >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

8 years, 5 months

Re: [Wlug] Topic for next Meeting?

by Tim Keller

We actually haven't done a round table in a while. David, I like your idea for the home automation / vision processing as well. I just went looking and there are 10+ companies that make linux based home automation products. I've messed with the the opencv stuff and my co worker is using it read his water meter and do OCR. Keith, it would be cool to have someone (other than me) talk about managing large amounts of data. Drop a line to your friend and see if they'd be willing to do a talk. I talked a bit about hadoop as well since I've been working with that. I could with some prep give a talk about hadoop if people were interested. I've also been playing with the parallel python stuff as well. My plan is to send out a reminder that the meeting is going to be next Thursday. It's a bit too soon to get anything put together on either of these topics, but we should talk them through next Thursday and see if anybody has more ideas as well. Thanks, Tim. On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 11:13 AM, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> wrote: > I would like to see a presentation on using linux for home automation or a > presentation on using linux for vision processing. > > > > On 10/07/2015 10:42 AM, Keith Wright wrote: > > Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > Hey Gang, > > What would people like to do for WLUG this month? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > Oh, oh, nobody answers. > > I don't want WLUG to die for lack of interest. > > If we can't get a speaker and a topic, let's > do a discussion circle---everyone takes a turn > to answer the question "For what do you use Linux?" > > I know some people use it at work to manage > multi-terabyte databases, and some build little > microprocessor gadgets, but I would be interested > to know the full range, and maybe learn about > some new applications. > > -- Keith > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing listWlug@mail.wlug.orghttp://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

9 years, 8 months

Re: Reminder! Meeting tonight at Technocopia! Time: 7pm!

by Jeff Moyer

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > - We also talked about how to pass through NVidia graphics cards into > VMs, so you can get better rendering performance, and all the > issues, tradeoffs and outright problems of doing this. I'm interested in hearing more about this. I recently gave this a try (I want to use a VM as my work desktop), and it took quite a lot of research and trial and error in order to come up with a working configuration. I setup the system boot off of integrated AMD graphics and automatically start a VM on the nvidia adapter. I pass through the keyboard and mouse via evdev (without evdev, the mouse is practically unusable). This works ok, so long as I don't want to use the host system(!). I'm using the nouveau driver, and that also has issues if I switch inputs on my monitor (as in, my graphical display will cease to exist). How do others set this up? Does anyone have a configuration they are happy with? -Jeff

1 year, 10 months

Re: We've got a meeting next week on the 13th!

by Tim Keller

In my data center I've got a bunch of Ampere ARM servers and they're awesome. U.2 NVME, lots of PCI slots, etc. https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/everything-ive-learned-building-fast… Tim. On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 1:51 PM soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Are there any shipping ARM boards/chips for the consumer market? Quick > look just shows a few ATX server boards with, relatively, ancient ARMs > bundled. > The stuff Apple is shipping has the same T2 "problem" the later intel > machines have with running linux, it's kind of a pain, delicate, and ruins > the point of having the hardware security in the first place. It'd be > amazing if they'd work on 1st party support but considering their business > model I don't see that ever happening. > > On the server side, I'm loving ARM. I saw the revolution coming back when > AWS Graviton was first announced. Pushed a lot of things at work over > early. With go binaries it's as simple as a compile flag. > Graviton2 offerings were ~1/3 off the equivalent intel machines for EC2, > similar discount for lambda. For some of our workloads they were faster > than intel too. Haven't had occasion to test the grav3 stuff but I imagine > it's better still. > If you've got things in interpreted language, go, or projects that have > been cross-arch and stable a while- mariadb, postgresql, nginx, et al., > definitely would suggest seeing how it'd work for you. > > --- > soup > > On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 12:20 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Keith, >> >> It wasn't just you. It seems that it maxes out at some low number of >> users.. why.. worth investigating, but not at the expense of people being >> able to get into the meeting. >> >> Yeah, ARM for linux has been the "hotness" for a while. Pi definitely >> brought it to the forefront, but now more and more there are viable arm >> desktops. >> >> As for the AI, there are some FOSS solutions out there that are >> shockingly amazing. "ollama" is just one of them. >> No need to pay NVidia for AMD for the privilege. >> >> Tim. >> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 1:58 PM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> >> wrote: >> >>> Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>> >>> > We've got a meeting next week! Note, I won't be using our own Jitsi >>> server >>> > but going to back to the old one since we've had so many issues. >>> >>> I think part of the problem was with my micophone to webserver >>> interface. >>> >>> At this point I am thinking of this more as a test than a meeting, >>> but I plan to do it. >>> >>> > If there's a topic that people would like us to tackle, I'd be up for >>> it! >>> >>> I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the latest hardware, but >>> the radio said something about ARM processor that caught my attention. >>> ARM means rasberry pi means Linux, no? Wikipedia has an enormous >>> article (the Citations alone are 11 pages two column) but the last >>> thing on the page seems to say that Wine is no longer for playing >>> Windows games on Linux, but that MS needs it to prop up the ass end >>> of their sorry operating system. Is the monopoly gone? >>> >>> The radio also speaks of Nvidia. They sell those Invidious graphics >>> cards. The ones that need special secret drivers that only work if >>> you have the right *.dll? It seems that everyone now needs them to >>> do Artifical Intelligence (all rise). Have they changed their attitude, >>> or is it like: "Here's your AI. Pay the monthly bill to retain your >>> licence to use it. Any attempt to try to find out what it does or >>> how it works will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law of >>> Connecticut."? >>> >>> -- Keith >>> >>> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/K35PA… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

1 year

Topic for future meeting.

by Brian Waite

Hi all, I wanted to intorduce myself. I have been on the LUG list now for over a year, but 2 kids 22 mo and 5 mo old have kept me away from metings. I am by no means a speaker although I have given a presentation at conferences and a LUG. I know there is a constant call for topics. I was wondering if anyone was interested in one of the following 3 topics: 1) Linux Development on the Nokia 770. I have had one for a few months now and know quite a bit about it and the state of affairs. 2) Hacking NAS storage with the Kurobox (www.kurobox.com) An very interesting device with a sordid history 3) VERY tentitive. Developing Robotic applications on Linux for the iRobot Create. I should be able to get my hands on one of these along with some example code and show the capabilities of the iRobot Create (http://www.irobot.com/create) I could also combine 1 and 2 and talk of the general aspects of embedded Linux development. I have been active in this field for about 6 years now. Any takers? Thanks Brian

18 years, 5 months

Meeting Dec 8th at 7pm: Topic: Personal RPZ

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, Long time member Eric Martin has graciously stepped up to do another talk. This time it'll be about setting up a personal RPZ server. We all know we'll be setting lots of new devices up in the coming month... RPZ is basically a "spam" filter for your DNS. It works to keep your devices from gong to sites infected with malware and "jam the lock" of any existing mailware from getting back to it's command and control. Eric will give an overview and explain a quick and dirty on how to set one up. Time: 7pm Location: Campus Center Rm 301 (Haggland Rm. It's on the same floor as the Mid Century room we're normally in, only at the top of the stairs take a right instead of a left. We're still waiting for confirmation After that we'll head down to Tech Pizza. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

8 years, 6 months

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 144, Issue 2

by Jonathan Lettvin

I've been exploring HTML5 3D scene rendering. It appears to make good use of gpgpu acceleration. My first use of it is up on github: https://github.com/jlettvin/cubeHTML5 (repository) https://cdn.rawgit.com/jlettvin/cubeHTML5/master/cube.html (result) Additional layered technologies make excellent use. WebGL and Three.js are amongst the more mature. http://threejs.org/ http://stemkoski.github.io/Three.js/ http://threejs.org/examples/ http://threejs.org/examples/#webgl_custom_attributes_points3 The speed of development and resulting performance is orders of magnitude better than historical methods. I am no expert, but it is a remarkable technology. I intend to use it to develop and make dynamic presentations. It is not specific to Linux, but it is supported there. Is it worth using a wlug session on this subject? Just a self-serving thought. On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Topic for next Meeting? (Keith Wright) > 2. Re: Topic for next Meeting? (David Glaser) > 3. Re: Topic for next Meeting? (Tim Keller) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 10:42:01 -0400 > From: Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Topic for next Meeting? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Cc: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <87fv1mhhae.fsf(a)fcs20.keithdiane.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > Hey Gang, > > > > What would people like to do for WLUG this month? > > > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > Oh, oh, nobody answers. > > I don't want WLUG to die for lack of interest. > > If we can't get a speaker and a topic, let's > do a discussion circle---everyone takes a turn > to answer the question "For what do you use Linux?" > > I know some people use it at work to manage > multi-terabyte databases, and some build little > microprocessor gadgets, but I would be interested > to know the full range, and maybe learn about > some new applications. > > -- Keith > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 11:13:29 -0400 > From: David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Topic for next Meeting? > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <56153699.6060307(a)glaserresearch.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I would like to see a presentation on using linux for home automation or > a presentation on using linux for vision processing. > > > > On 10/07/2015 10:42 AM, Keith Wright wrote: > > Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > >> Hey Gang, > >> > >> What would people like to do for WLUG this month? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tim. > > Oh, oh, nobody answers. > > > > I don't want WLUG to die for lack of interest. > > > > If we can't get a speaker and a topic, let's > > do a discussion circle---everyone takes a turn > > to answer the question "For what do you use Linux?" > > > > I know some people use it at work to manage > > multi-terabyte databases, and some build little > > microprocessor gadgets, but I would be interested > > to know the full range, and maybe learn about > > some new applications. > > > > -- Keith > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20151007/becf2e65/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 11:41:34 -0400 > From: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Topic for next Meeting? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > < > CA+r3vQhduxi7yAa0j+vgJtcWhm7OBkQsaejf5pSh1REk-AXNWQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > We actually haven't done a round table in a while. David, I like your idea > for the home automation / vision processing as well. I just went looking > and there are 10+ companies that make linux based home automation > products. I've messed with the the opencv stuff and my co worker is using > it read his water meter and do OCR. > > Keith, it would be cool to have someone (other than me) talk about managing > large amounts of data. Drop a line to your friend and see if they'd be > willing to do a talk. > > I talked a bit about hadoop as well since I've been working with that. I > could with some prep give a talk about hadoop if people were interested. > I've also been playing with the parallel python stuff as well. > > My plan is to send out a reminder that the meeting is going to be next > Thursday. It's a bit too soon to get anything put together on either of > these topics, but we should talk them through next Thursday and see if > anybody has more ideas as well. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 11:13 AM, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> > wrote: > > > I would like to see a presentation on using linux for home automation or > a > > presentation on using linux for vision processing. > > > > > > > > On 10/07/2015 10:42 AM, Keith Wright wrote: > > > > Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > > > > Hey Gang, > > > > What would people like to do for WLUG this month? > > > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > > > Oh, oh, nobody answers. > > > > I don't want WLUG to die for lack of interest. > > > > If we can't get a speaker and a topic, let's > > do a discussion circle---everyone takes a turn > > to answer the question "For what do you use Linux?" > > > > I know some people use it at work to manage > > multi-terabyte databases, and some build little > > microprocessor gadgets, but I would be interested > > to know the full range, and maybe learn about > > some new applications. > > > > -- Keith > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing listWlug@mail.wlug.orghttp:// > mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20151007/7b1edfa4/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 144, Issue 2 > ************************************ > -- This e-mail is from Jonathan D. 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9 years, 8 months

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