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Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting Sept. 15th, 2016 @ 7PM Topic: Docker Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232

by Eric Martin

Washburn labs, it's under the large smokestack / cell tower. On Monday, September 12, 2016, JeffA Maillists <jeffa.maillists(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Tim, > What building is the room in? > > Thanks, Jeff. > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016, 5:15 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','turbofx(a)gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> Hey Everybody! >> >> We have a WLUG meeting on Sept. 15th at 7PM! >> >> Here are the vitals: >> Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232 @7pm >> Speaker: William Temple >> Topic: Container technologies... >> >> The speaker for this meeting is William Temple. Here's what he recently >> posted to the list (if you didn't already see it) >> >> Thanks for inviting me to give a talk on containers this Thursday. I'm a >> Senior at WPI and spent the last two summers working on container >> technologies at Red Hat under the Project Atomic/OpenShift banners. >> >> If you all are interested, topics for discussion could be: >> >> - Containers 101: Introduction & Motivations >> >> - Container Technologies >> >> -- docker >> >> -- Open Containers Initiative >> >> -- LXC, rkt, and others >> >> - Container Implementation >> >> -- namespaces >> >> -- cgroups >> >> -- security implications, comparison to Virtual Machines >> >> - Containers in Production (Kubernetes, etc.) >> >> - Containers in Consumer Environments (Flatpak, Snappy, etc.) >> >> >> If there are any other container-related topics you'd like to hear about, >> please just let me know and I can work them in. I'm mostly familiar with >> the Docker/OCI & Kubernetes orchestration stack, so I won't be able to go >> into technical details about other systems, but can give an overview if >> someone else wants to get into the weeds about any other container systems. >> >> I'd like to thank Logan for getting this organized and for William for >> being accomidating of our location and schedule change. >> >> As always, there will be refreshments and snacks and we'll head to Tech >> Pizza afterwards! >> >> See ya there! >> >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org');> >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile

8 years, 9 months

Re: [Wlug] Pre-Registration ended at 4:30pm: WLUG Keysigning, Wenesday April 22nd

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 05:46:56PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >> I'd like to understand why my email message to wlug-keys didn't make it >> when I sent it a few days ago. Did anybody else run into this, or is >> this a case of PEBKAC? > > Does the /bin/mail on the system where you ran the "gpg" command do > the right thing with email sent from there? If it isn't configured > correctly for remote mail delivery (e.g. smart relay host in > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf) then you might try copy/paste of the command's > output to your regular email client program. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Hi all, The problem was indeed on my side. I never use the "mail" command at the prompt, thus, it was not configured to send email. I saw two bounced emails once I got home from the WLUG meeting. Thanks, Chuck, for offering some ideas to help debug this problem. I hope everybody enjoyed the meeting this evening. Many thanks once again to Chuck and Eric for running this meeting! Don't forget, next month, we will have a speaker addressing us about the Open Street Map project. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ7+DQHl0iXDssISsRAjplAJwM121uy9NSYnZTXsSZBuw82sy7YgCeMmpH yCNzhr675vam/Gu83qEDMTg= =372H -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

16 years, 2 months

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by Mcgurl, Michael J

Michael J. McGurl Engineering Computing NSEC Intel Massachusetts Voice: 978-553-5607 Pager: 877-406-8919 Cell: 774-230-6967 -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 12:00 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 17, Issue 13 Send Wlug mailing list submissions to wlug(a)mail.wlug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org You can reach the person managing the list at wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 17, Issue 12 (Raja Mukherjee) 2. Re: Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 17, Issue 12 (Jared Greenwald) 3. Re: Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 17, Issue 12 (Chuck R. Anderson) 4. REMINDER: WLUG Meeting Wed March 23rd 7:00 PM (Andy Stewart) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:23:40 -0500 From: Raja Mukherjee <raja.mukherjee56(a)gmail.com> Subject: [Wlug] Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 17, Issue 12 To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Message-ID: <5f4be20503201123816c98d(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On a similar note, how does one change the default mail client from Evolution to Kmail? I am using Firefox 1.0.1 as the default browser. The reason I want it to change over is because I have synced my palm to Kontact and want to use Kmail as the mail client, so I can share the contacts lis. Raja Mukherjee _________________________________________________________________ > Today's Topics: > > 1. Opera - tie-ins to thunderbird (Andrew Robert) > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:33:30 -0500 > From: Andrew Robert <arobert(a)townisp.com> > Subject: [Wlug] Opera - tie-ins to thunderbird > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <423C545A.9080000(a)townisp.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Everyone, > > Last question for awhile. > > I swear. > > Anyway, has anyone had luck configuring Opera to use an alternate mail > client than the native M2? > > I am trying to get it to call Thunderbird but I've had mixed results. > > I reviewed the Opera Support Knowledge base article located at the link > below but nothing I do seems to work. > > http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=472 > > -- > Thank you, > Andrew Robert > Systems Architect > Information Technologies > Massachusetts Financial Services > Phone: (617) 954-5882 > Pager: (781) 945-1742 > E-mail: arobert(a)mfs.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:38:27 -0500 From: Jared Greenwald <greenwaldjared(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 17, Issue 12 To: Raja Mukherjee <raja.mukherjee56(a)gmail.com>, Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <2759cf8605032012387ab9fdce(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Those types of settings are usually part of the window manager. I thnk in KDE its in control center somewhere - or in konqueror where apps association is done. -Jared On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:23:40 -0500, Raja Mukherjee <raja.mukherjee56(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On a similar note, how does one change the default mail client from > Evolution to Kmail? I am using Firefox 1.0.1 as the default browser. > The reason I want it to change over is because I have synced my palm > to Kontact and want to use Kmail as the mail client, so I can share > the contacts lis. > > Raja Mukherjee > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Opera - tie-ins to thunderbird (Andrew Robert) > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:33:30 -0500 > > From: Andrew Robert <arobert(a)townisp.com> > > Subject: [Wlug] Opera - tie-ins to thunderbird > > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > Message-ID: <423C545A.9080000(a)townisp.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > Last question for awhile. > > > > I swear. > > > > Anyway, has anyone had luck configuring Opera to use an alternate mail > > client than the native M2? > > > > I am trying to get it to call Thunderbird but I've had mixed results. > > > > I reviewed the Opera Support Knowledge base article located at the link > > below but nothing I do seems to work. > > > > http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=472 > > > > -- > > Thank you, > > Andrew Robert > > Systems Architect > > Information Technologies > > Massachusetts Financial Services > > Phone: (617) 954-5882 > > Pager: (781) 945-1742 > > E-mail: arobert(a)mfs.com > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:46:15 -0500 From: "Chuck R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 17, Issue 12 To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Message-ID: <20050321014615.GE29293(a)angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 02:23:40PM -0500, Raja Mukherjee wrote: > On a similar note, how does one change the default mail client from > Evolution to Kmail? I am using Firefox 1.0.1 as the default browser. > The reason I want it to change over is because I have synced my palm > to Kontact and want to use Kmail as the mail client, so I can share > the contacts lis. In Fedora Core 3 there is Preferences -> More Preferences -> Preferred Applications which works for Web Browser, Mail Reader, Text Editor, and Terminal. KMail is among the choices for Mail Reader. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:13:23 -0500 From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> Subject: [Wlug] REMINDER: WLUG Meeting Wed March 23rd 7:00 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Message-ID: <423E2DC3.5030507(a)comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 HI Everybody, We have a WLUG meeting coming up this week on Wednesday, March 23rd, at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid room on the WPI Campus in Worcester, MA USA. At this meeting, yours truly will be giving a talk about how Linux was used to create video DVDs from files created by a TV capture card. In this talk, there will be a demo of simple video editing, creation of the DVD menu, and creation of the DVD files and directory structure. If there is time, we might be visited by Drs. Howard, Fine, and Howard. I'll have two books for the no-cost raffle. Maybe someone will come to the meeting just to try to win one of these: Building Applications with the Linux Standard Base The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System After the meeting, anybody who is intersted can join the crowd for some pizza either across campus or on Highland Street. WLUG meetings are open to the public. There are no admission fees or membership dues. We do accept small donations if you are feeling generous. :-) Soda and cookies will be provided at the meeting. See ya later, Andy (Digital signature intentionally left blank until I figure out how to get Thunderbird 1.0 to use gpg.....enigmail isn't working for me....yet) -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug End of Wlug Digest, Vol 17, Issue 13 ************************************

20 years, 3 months

RE: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better!

by Keller, Tim

Bill, Instead of using wine, you should look at using wineX instead. It's got much better support for games than just base WINE... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Smith [mailto:wsmith@chezsmith.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 6:32 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better! On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:46:45 -0500 "Haines, Charles Allen" <chaines(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: HCA> I would be very interested in some security based presentations. I HCA> think setting up some boxes for "security" testing would be really HCA> cool. I'd be willing to donate my box to the cause. I'd also like HCA> to see a tutorial on iptables, cause they are a very usual thing. HCA> Other than that, I think a demo on wine, and getting some of that HCA> other OS's programs like dreamweaver mx, to work under wine. AYE AYE! :) i've been toying with getting WINE to work with Warcraft II, but although it's supposed to work, i can't seem to get it to do anything constructive. 8( as for the iptables, i know that it was done a little over a year ago, but maybe there could be a bit of an update session, to cover anything that has changed since then... for example, i was looking at a guide to using the iproute2 suite, and i think there are a lot of things that i need to learn. again. <g> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "Never to be credited when telling the truth." -- Aristotle, when he was asked what a man gains by telling a lie. * TAG! v3.1 *

22 years, 6 months

Re: [Wlug] Next meeting - topics?

by Mike Clark

When you say LTSP - Linux Terminal Server Project, do you mean using an emulator or Wyse terminal? If that is the case, can I offer to bring a Equinox 16 port serial board? I do like the idea of mail server too, I run qmail and would like some ideas on SPAM blocking. At 08:52 PM 7/31/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I like the LTSP topic... Perhaps we could also put on a tutorial for >putting together an email server, discussing spam, et al.? Amother >thought might be to cover the basics for security (not another >implementation discussion, but the major categories of exploits and how >they work, hence how to think about protecting your linux box against them)... > >// end random thoughts > >Steve > >Andy Stewart wrote: > >>HI everybody, >> >>I am wondering what we should discuss at our next meeting - any ideas? >> >>I have been playing with diskless clients lately. There are a couple of >>ways to do this: >> a) load and run a Knoppix CD with no hard drive >> b) LTSP - Linux Terminal Server Project >> >>If people are interested, I could give a talk / demo of some basic LTSP >>stuff. >>I've got it working between a lame P90 and my laptop server. >> >>Let me know if you have other ideas, or if this idea sounds like >>something interesting to you. >> >>Later, >> >>Andy >> > >-- >Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/ > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

21 years, 10 months

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting Sept 10th, 2015 @ 7:00pm !!!DIFFERENT LOCATION!!!!

by Eric Martin

Let me know how it goes, I have some home stuff to take care of so I'll be unable to attend. I'd love it if people could at least post links to cool things on the website / mailing list so those of us who can't attend can benefit. Thanks! On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 8:30 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > Sorry for the late notice... Kids, school, etc. > > Firstly, we will be meeting in Rm. 203 Stratton Hall: > http://maps.wpi.edu/map/?id=609#!ce/6603,11184?ct/11184?m/105250 > > Speaking of which, our topic is going to be about STEAM (Science > Technology, Engineering, Art and Mathematics) oriented educational things > that are built with or work on linux. > > Basically I see this as a round table for people to talk about some of the > cool stuff that's out there for kids these days. I've got scratch loaded > on my machine so I can give a demo of that. I've also got Alice and google > blocks as well. I'll also bring along my copy of snap circuits. > > This is an open venue. Feel free to do some research and find something > cool. > > Like always, there will be refreshments provided and we'll convene at Tech > Pizza afterwards to continue to banter. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

9 years, 9 months

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting TODAY!

by JeffA Maillists

Ugh, I was hoping to make it there this month, but then I had to work a bit late, and as I decided I would just show up late, I 'remembered' that I've got a pretty bad cold right now, and I should probably just stay home so I don't get you guys all sick. :( I wanted to talk about my use of Linux... 1) MythTV Server (a bit old now) 2) Phone Screening system (Raspbery Pi) 3) Video Editing PC (Ubuntu and OpenShot) 4) Various Pi projects... I'm going to be building a pi with a 2.6" touch-screen to be a creston style controller for the projectors at my church... (Ok, it may be a little 'overkill', but it will be a cool/fun project...) Take care, and I hope that I can make the next one - I really enjoy this group, I just find it hard to get there at times... ;-) Jeff Artz On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> < SRS0=TWgO=KT=mail.wlug.org=wlug-bounces(a)srs.wpi.edu> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > Just a last reminder we've got a meeting today! > > It's in the usual place (WPI Student Center (Mid Century Room (rm 331))) > At the usual time (7pm) > The topic is going to be an open discussion forum. > Snacks and beverages will be provided and we'll saunter down to Tech Pizza > for a follow up discussion. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

9 years, 8 months

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER!! Meeting TONIGHT! March 12th, 2015!

by Tim Keller

I'll be bringing my Pi A+ plus my cobbler and some circuit stuff. Jamie, because of the snow parking will be a creative exercise... the lot that's on the corner of Institute and the road that goes down to tech pizza is always open. Keith: Rest up and recuperate! Thanks, Tim. On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:04 PM, JeffA Maillists <jeffa.maillists(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am going to be coming tonight. I'll bring a HDMI->VGA adapter and some > of my Pis. ;-) > > Here's what I will be bringing from my 'collection'... ;-) > Raspberry Pi B+ > Raspberry Pi A+ > Raspberry Pi 2 Model B > ODROID-W > Banana Pi > > I'll bring a wireless kbd/touchpad combo too. > I may have a spare wifi router to bring to0... > > Jeff > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Jamie Guinan <guinan(a)bluebutton.com> > wrote: > >> >> I haven't been to a WLUG meeting in ages. Is it still in the same >> building in the southwest corner of the quad? The floorplan link is >> dead, >> >> http://www.wpi.edu/Admin/CC/Floorplans/37678.htm >> >> Is there parking available in the West Street lot? >> >> Will there be WiFi and/or ethernet available for the Pis? Keyboard? >> HDMI monitor? >> >> -Jamie >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Mar 2015, Tim Keller wrote: >> >> > Hey Everybody, >> > >> > This is a reminder that tonight is WLUG! >> > >> > We'll be talking about the Raspberry Pi like devices that are now on the >> > market and the amazing stuff we can do with them. >> > Chuck is going to bring along a Pi like device to show off how open >> > hardware helps speed along the innovation curve! >> > >> > We'll be meeting in the usual spot, the Mid-Century Room (rm-331) at >> 7pm. >> > >> > I'll bring along snacks and drinks and afterwards we'll go out for >> pizza! >> > >> > See ya there! >> > >> > Later, >> > Tim. >> > >> > -- >> > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> > constituents as "consumers". >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

10 years, 3 months

Reminder: WLUG Meeting Wed 10/9 7PM Jim Gettys on Internet buffer bloat

by Chuck Anderson

Hi folks, The next Worcester Linux Users' Group (WLUG) meeting will be held this Wednesday. This month we will have Jim Gettys from Bell Labs talk about Internet buffer bloat. This is the talk that has been rescheduled from April. Note that there has been a room change to a larger room right down the hall from our regular location. Wednesday, October 9, 7:00 - 9:00 PM WPI Campus Center, Hagglund Room 301 The Campus Center is building #7 on the campus map [1], and the Hagglund Room is room 301 on the Campus Center building floorplan [2]. [1] http://www.wpi.edu/about/visitors/campusmap.html [2] http://www.wpi.edu/Admin/CC/Floorplans/37678.htm "Internet buffer bloat, by Jim Gettys (Bell Labs) VOIP and teleconferencing often perform much more poorly on today's Internet than the Internet of a decade ago, despite great gains in bandwidth. Lots of fiber, cheap memory, smart hardware, variability of wireless goodput, changes in web browser behaviour, changes in TCP implementations, and a focus on benchmarking Internet performance solely by bandwidth, and engineer's natural reluctance to drop packets have conspired to encourage papering over problems by adding buffers; each of which may introduce latency when filled. The mistaken quest to never drop packets has destroyed interactivity under load, and often results in actual higher packet loss, as TCP's congestion avoidance algorithms have been defeated by these buffers. The lessons of the "RED manifesto" of 1997 have been forgotten or never learned by a new generation of engineers." Wednesday, October 9, 7:00 - 9:00 PM WPI Campus Center, Hagglund Room 301 Afterwards, we will go out for pizza. See you there, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group http://www.wlug.org/

11 years, 8 months

Reminder: WLUG Meeting Next Week! Topic: Modernizing the Linux Desktop

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, This is my usual reminder that we've got a meeting next week. Here's the details... Date & Time: February 13th, 2020 @ 7PM Location: WPI Campus Center Room 304 (Peterson Conference Room) Presenter: Joshua Stone Topic: Modernizing the Linux Desktop with Silver/Blue, Toolbox and Flatpak Our speaker this month is Joshua Stone. He's going to giving a talk about a couple of cool technologies in Fedora! Josh provided me some details about these innovations so I've mashed them up and included them below. Silverblue: https://fedoramagazine.org/what-is-silverblue/ Toolbox: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/toolbox/ Flatpaks: https://flatpak.org/ *Silverblue* s a Fedora variant designed around immutability where a new system image is committed as the new /sysroot without affecting the state of the running system. This is reminiscent of Android A/B updates, although the update backend -- ostree -- has elements of a version control system like git. *Toolbox* is also interesting as it lets you switch into an unprivileged development environment that can be built up and torn down without affecting the host as tools are installed inside a container. *Flatpak* uses the same file storage backend as Silverblue to manage apps and shared runtimes. This app distribution technology allows you to decouple apps and operating systems as everything is built and run inside a sandbox, making upgrades easier. Compare needing only one version of an app to package as a flatpak, versus packaging for different versions. As usual, snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner to continue the conversation. Thanks, Tim Keller WLUG President -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

5 years, 4 months

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