Hi all A few meeting back, Andy gave out some BBC-Linux cd's. I decided to try one and got hung up. Basically everything went well until I got to the stage of downloading stuff from the net (the network card set-up worked fine). The download hung. It defaulted to the address 64.81.65.8 for zork.net where the stuff was supposed to be. I suspected that zork.net had moved so I went to another box and went to it via netscape. It came up ok (the directory structure was slightly different but the files were there). The problem is that the BBC script needs a dotted quad, not a zork.net. So the problem is to find out the dotted quad for zork.net. I tried ping zork.net and it pinged 66.92.188.166. I then went there and got crackmonkey.org. I tried pinging crackmonkey.org and got that same 66.92.188.166 I got pinging zork.net ! arp zork.net and crackmonkey.org also gives that same common dotted quad. Ping of the BBC default address 64.81.65.8 gives nothing. Unlike Netscape, Konquerer will take dotted quads. The 66.92.188.166 comes up crackmonkey.org consistent with the preceding while 64.81.65.8 gives the error message "could not connect to host 64.81.65.8". My question, then, is how does one get a dotted quad for zork.net? A related question is whether anyone tried/succeeded loading Debian starting with that BBC-linux cd? i.e. can it be done? (The README-DEBIAN on the cd gives alternative sites but none of them has the -bbc versions of the image and tarball the install script is looking for. I admit to not wanting to go down the path of redoing the install scripts :-( ) This email sure did not please the spell-checker! :-) doug
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 04:45:13PM -0500, doug waud wrote: douglas.waud> So the problem is to find out the dotted quad for zork.net. douglas.waud> I tried ping zork.net and it pinged 66.92.188.166. I then went there and douglas.waud> got crackmonkey.org. I tried pinging crackmonkey.org and got that same douglas.waud> 66.92.188.166 I got pinging zork.net ! arp zork.net and crackmonkey.org douglas.waud> also gives that same common dotted quad. Ping of the BBC default douglas.waud> address 64.81.65.8 gives nothing. As you have discovered, multiple hostnames can (and regularly do) point to the same dotted quad IP address. HTTP v1.1 supports what is called "Host-based Virtual Hosting". This means that many web sites, each with a distinct hostname, can exist on the same web server, even though the web server has only one IP address. The way HTTP distinguishes which host it wants in a query, it uses the Host: header. Try this:
telnet 66.92.188.166 80 HEAD / HTTP/1.1 Connection: close Host: zork.net
(hit enter for one blank line after the Host: line) You should see this output: HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:02:30 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.22 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux PHP/4.1.1 Last-Modified: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:09:58 GMT ETag: "4f621-13ce-3c4b07f6" Accept-Ranges: bytes Content-Length: 5070 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html You can try "GET / HTTP/1.1" instead, if you want to see the whole page, not just the HEADers. Then, try "Host: crackmonkey.org" and you should see a different root webpage (if you used GET, not HEAD). So, to answer your question about BBC, BBC must understand how to send HTTP/1.1 Host: headers in order for this to work, and you must use a hostname, not a dotted quad, unless it allows you to tell it what hostname to use in the Host: header, while also specifying a dotted quad IP address for actually making the TCP connection to port 80. Does it allow you to configure DNS name resolution in the installer? I've never used or even heard of BBC-linux, so I can't help any further. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra@wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886
"Charles R. Anderson" wrote:
Does it allow you to configure DNS name resolution in the installer?
I can log in as root at another (Ctrl/Alt/F2) terminal and ping google works so I assume DNS is working and the limit may be in the install script.
I've never used or even heard of BBC-linux, so I can't help any further.
Neither have I! :-( / :-) That was a screw-up spelling checkers can't catch! It should have been LYX-BBC as in http://www.lnx-bbc.org/ Sorry about that. As you can see I can do more than just pull out power cords! :-) Thanks for the background on host-based virtual hosting; now I can go back to seeing whether I can find a work-around in that context. doug
Doug Waud wrote:
Hi all
A few meeting back, Andy gave out some BBC-Linux cd's. I decided to try one and got hung up.
If you want to be adventuresome, check out http://sorcerer.wox.org Tou can download an 80 MB bzipped iso image, which will get you up and running with only a kernel compile. After that you can install anything you like. At last count, they had between 700 and 800 packages you could install. Iy's dependency based, so if you say you want to install kde, it will install X and a bunch of other stuff so you can run kde. You still need to know a bit about what you're doing, but it's a very promising distro. --Skip
doug waud said:
Hi all
A few meeting back, Andy gave out some BBC-Linux cd's. I decided to try one and got hung up.
Basically everything went well until I got to the stage of downloading stuff from the net (the network card set-up worked fine).
The download hung. It defaulted to the address 64.81.65.8 for zork.net where the stuff was supposed to be. I suspected that zork.net had moved so I went to another box and went to it via netscape. It came up ok (the directory structure was slightly different but the files were there).
Zork has recently moved, actually. about a block from one san fransisco apartment, up the hill to another. Zork was also slashdotted yesterday (the article about the "begin " and other anti-LookOut tricks Nick Moffitt [a.k.a. Crackmonkey] [the guy who owns zork.net/crackmonkey.org] uses in his emails). Afaik, he had previously had apache set up so that zork was the default virtualhost. I can't say why he may have changed it. The reason (as i understand) that archives are stored on zork instead of on the lnx-bbc site, is that Nick is developing GAR (a linux clone of ports, done with Makefiles) for lnx-bbc. If you need help with this specific version of lnx-bbc, you might find some willing volunteers on #tron, irc.slashnet.org. just be sure not to use a proprietary IRC client or OS... -- Aaron Haviland orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org orion [at] zork [dot] net Canadians are from Canadia.
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