Does anyone have a SCSI cdrom that I can borrow/buy for an old 7500? My linux box is such a hackjob of software that I want to reinstall it with YDL. Low and behold I try it last week and the damn CDROM drive doesnt seem to work! Some files copy, some dont... I will just assume its the drive due to age/heat. So I was hoping someone (near WPI) had a CDROM drive i could borrow (external would be good). The drive i think would have to work in MacOS too (to install BOOTX files). Such a PITA some times. Beside CDROM, what other PPC install options still exisit? The boot floppies over network from linuxppc.org use to work but i am not sure they are still around. YDL seemed like a good choice for now. -Jeremy ===== - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com
On Sunday 05 May 2002 09:30 pm, Jeremy wrote:
Does anyone have a SCSI cdrom that I can borrow/buy for an old 7500? Beside CDROM, what other PPC install options still exisit? The boot floppies over network from linuxppc.org use to work but i am not sure they are still around. YDL seemed like a good choice for now.
-Jeremy Hi Jeremy,
I think you're right, getting an external SCSI CD might be the easiest solution. However, since you asked, there are other solutions! You can setup netatalk on another Linux box and can download any Mac files you need, first to your Mac and then copy them to the other Mac volume on the other machine. The 7.5.3 system folder on the Network Access Disk and the MkLinux Booter will allow you to load a Linux kernel and initRD to install YDL. I now have an installer with the MkLinux booter, a 2.4.6-pre3 kernel and initRD into a small (20 MB) HFS partition. The kernel uses the onboard NIC and can then do a network install of YDL 1.2. The newer releases, though, can only be installed from a local CD or DVD. --Skip
Hi Jeremy wrote:
Does anyone have a SCSI cdrom that I can borrow/buy for an old 7500? My linux box is such a hackjob of software that I want to reinstall it with YDL.
I can beat you on that "old". I have a Plextor PX-65CS which I bought Dec 8, 1995 :-). Seriously, if it would be any use to you, you are welcome to try it. It has a two fifty pin centronics connectors (and I have a cable from that to a twenty five pin connector). It uses a caddy but I suspect that is no problem. I assume it will be about as slow as you can get given its birth date. If you cannot do better, feel free to try it.
Low and behold I try it last week and the damn CDROM drive doesnt seem to work! Some files copy, some dont... I will just assume its the drive due to age/heat. So I was hoping someone (near WPI)
I am out in Shrewsbury but my son-in-law is in at Worcester Academy (Steve Daukas, WLUG too) so he might serve as a go-between but I'll not do anything re scheduling there until I hear from you.
had a CDROM drive i could borrow (external would be good).
That the Plextor can do.
The drive i think would have to work in MacOS too (to install BOOTX files).
Not being a MAC prevert, I cannot comment knowledgeably on that.
Such a PITA some times.
All our hearts go out to MAC users :-) doug -- Douglas R Waud 17 Lantern Lane, Shrewsbury, MA 01545-2006 508 845 1718
Dont be knocking us mac user :) j/k This linux box has been solid for 3 years. Which equals three years of duplicate/old files in usr and usr/local and other misc junk; mad admin skills i know/ anyone hiring? :) I'll let you know about the Plextor later in the week. TIA, J --- doug waud <douglas.waud@umassmed.edu> wrote:
Hi
Jeremy wrote:
Does anyone have a SCSI cdrom that I can borrow/buy for an old 7500? My linux box is such a hackjob of software that I want to reinstall it with YDL.
I can beat you on that "old". I have a Plextor PX-65CS which I bought Dec 8, 1995 :-). Seriously, if it would be any use to you, you are welcome to try it. It has a two fifty pin centronics connectors (and I have a cable from that to a twenty five pin connector). It uses a caddy but I suspect that is no problem. I assume it will be about as slow as you can get given its birth date. If you cannot do better, feel free to try it.
Low and behold I try it last week and the damn CDROM drive doesnt seem to work! Some files copy, some dont... I will just assume its the drive due to age/heat. So I was hoping someone (near WPI)
I am out in Shrewsbury but my son-in-law is in at Worcester Academy (Steve Daukas, WLUG too) so he might serve as a go-between but I'll not do anything re scheduling there until I hear from you.
had a CDROM drive i could borrow (external would be good).
That the Plextor can do.
The drive i think would have to work in MacOS too (to install BOOTX files).
Not being a MAC prevert, I cannot comment knowledgeably on that.
Such a PITA some times.
All our hearts go out to MAC users :-)
doug -- Douglas R Waud 17 Lantern Lane, Shrewsbury, MA 01545-2006 508 845 1718 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug@mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug
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Jeremy <mcotis@yahoo.com> writes:
Does anyone have a SCSI cdrom that I can borrow/buy for an old 7500? My linux box is such a hackjob of software that I want to reinstall it with YDL. Low and behold I try it last week and the damn CDROM drive doesnt seem to work! Some files copy, some dont... I will just assume its the drive due to age/heat. So I was hoping someone (near WPI) had a CDROM drive i could borrow (external would be good). The drive i think would have to work in MacOS too (to install BOOTX files). Such a PITA some times. Beside CDROM, what other PPC install options still exisit? The boot floppies over network from linuxppc.org use to work but i am not sure they are still around. YDL seemed like a good choice for now.
Ah, good old bender? I don't have an external cdrom drive, but you could try dding the debian recsue floppy to a disk and booting/installing from that: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/disks-powerpc/current/po... I think that image is for booting older machines. But, I don't know and I'm not sure if that image even works ;) YMMV. (debian is nice though...) ttyl, -- Josh Huber
Bender lives on! Sadly Futurama wont! :( yeah i thought about debian but the last two installs i tried sucked! Once on a sparc and the other was on my B&W. RTMF :-) Maybe I'll give debian one last try on my 7500. If i can boot via open firmware that would golden! -J --- Josh Huber <huber@alum.wpi.edu> wrote:
Jeremy <mcotis@yahoo.com> writes:
Does anyone have a SCSI cdrom that I can borrow/buy for an old 7500? My linux box is such a hackjob of software that I want to reinstall it with YDL. Low and behold I try it last week and the damn CDROM drive doesnt seem to work! Some files copy, some dont... I will just assume its the drive due to age/heat. So I was hoping someone (near WPI) had a CDROM drive i could borrow (external would be good). The drive i think would have to work in MacOS too (to install BOOTX files). Such a PITA some times. Beside CDROM, what other PPC install options still exisit? The boot floppies over network from linuxppc.org use to work but i am not sure they are still around. YDL seemed like a good choice for now.
Ah, good old bender?
I don't have an external cdrom drive, but you could try dding the debian recsue floppy to a disk and booting/installing from that:
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/disks-powerpc/current/po...
I think that image is for booting older machines. But, I don't know and I'm not sure if that image even works ;)
YMMV. (debian is nice though...)
ttyl,
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Jeremy <mcotis@yahoo.com> writes:
Bender lives on! Sadly Futurama wont! :( yeah i thought about debian but the last two installs i tried sucked! Once on a sparc and the other was on my B&W. RTMF :-) Maybe I'll give debian one last try on my 7500.
Hmm, yeah well...the installer needs work, I know. The woody installer is a lot better though, so you might want to give it a try.
If i can boot via open firmware that would golden!
Yeah, can you get video output from OF on the 7500? Perhaps with updated OF patches from apple you could use OF if it doesn't work right now. booting via quik is much better than using BootX ;) ttyl, -- Josh Huber
I got it to boot using floppies, but for some reason it didnt recognize the original disk partitions.... It saw the drives but unable to read the maps. I was hoping not to reformat everything... Any ideas anyone? They are ext2 fs. Are there different flavors of ext2? or of even partition maps? --- Josh Huber <huber@alum.wpi.edu> wrote:
Jeremy <mcotis@yahoo.com> writes:
Bender lives on! Sadly Futurama wont! :( yeah i thought about debian but the last two installs i tried sucked! Once on a sparc and the other was on my B&W. RTMF :-) Maybe I'll give debian one last try on my 7500.
Hmm, yeah well...the installer needs work, I know. The woody installer is a lot better though, so you might want to give it a try.
If i can boot via open firmware that would golden!
Yeah, can you get video output from OF on the 7500? Perhaps with updated OF patches from apple you could use OF if it doesn't work right now. booting via quik is much better than using BootX ;)
ttyl,
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Jeremy <mcotis@yahoo.com> writes:
They are ext2 fs. Are there different flavors of ext2? or of even partition maps?
Well, no there aren't different flavors of ext2 -- unless your original installation is SO old that it was from the days when powerpc ext2 was stored in big-endian format on disk. As for the partition table, yes there are different types of partition tables, but if you were using MacOS with that computer successfully, you were probably using an Apple partition table. What kind of output do you see? Any messages in the kernel log? How about /proc/partitions? What kind of output do you see in the dmesg about the Partition check: Partition check: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: [mac] p1 p2 p3 p4 p5 p6 p7 p8 is what I see... What distribution are you trying? -- Josh Huber
acutally i figured it out :-) I had SCSI voodoo. Amazing how those little jumpers make a difference... The installer worked and booted. But I still think "woody" has bugs in it. The installer just loops when after I finish setting up the password info; it should ask about PPP, but never does. I do rememeber seeing kernel errors on booting (live not floppy) about PPP/serial modules missing. So i am trying different various of modules during the install. I may have to go to the stable which i think is potato. We'll see :-) -J --- Josh Huber <huber@alum.wpi.edu> wrote:
Jeremy <mcotis@yahoo.com> writes:
They are ext2 fs. Are there different flavors of ext2? or of even partition maps?
Well, no there aren't different flavors of ext2 -- unless your original installation is SO old that it was from the days when powerpc ext2 was stored in big-endian format on disk.
As for the partition table, yes there are different types of partition tables, but if you were using MacOS with that computer successfully, you were probably using an Apple partition table.
What kind of output do you see? Any messages in the kernel log? How about /proc/partitions?
What kind of output do you see in the dmesg about the Partition check:
Partition check: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: [mac] p1 p2 p3 p4 p5 p6 p7 p8
is what I see...
What distribution are you trying?
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Jeremy <mcotis@yahoo.com> writes:
acutally i figured it out :-) I had SCSI voodoo. Amazing how those little jumpers make a difference... The installer worked and booted. But I still think "woody" has bugs in it. The installer just loops when after I finish setting up the password info; it should ask about PPP, but never does. I do rememeber seeing kernel errors on booting (live not floppy) about PPP/serial modules missing. So i am trying different various of modules during the install. I may have to go to the stable which i think is potato.
Damn, I picked a bad time to suggest trying woody. This problem is fixed in sid, and can be fixed by moving /etc/inittab.real to /etc/inittab. See: <URL:http://bugs.debian.org/145434> <URL:http://bugs.debian.org/145469>
We'll see :-)
Yeah, you could install potato and dist-upgrade to woody as an alternative, but apart from that little annoying loop bug, woody would be a better choice. The 1.33.18 package is in sid, and hopefully will move into woody by tomorrow. here are the versions for each release: base-config | 0.33.2 | stable | source, alpha, arm, i386, m68k, powerpc, sparc base-config | 1.33.17 | testing | source, all base-config | 1.33.18 | unstable | source, all ttyl, -- Josh Huber
Ok, thinks are looking better. I'll be happy once I can ssh into the box and setup everything remotely. I'll have to get used to dselect and all the related apt apps. --- Josh Huber <huber@alum.wpi.edu> wrote:
Jeremy <mcotis@yahoo.com> writes:
acutally i figured it out :-) I had SCSI voodoo. Amazing how those little jumpers make a difference... The installer worked and booted. But I still think "woody" has bugs in it. The installer just loops when after I finish setting up the password info; it should ask about PPP, but never does. I do rememeber seeing kernel errors on booting (live not floppy) about PPP/serial modules missing. So i am trying different various of modules during the install. I may have to go to the stable which i think is potato.
Damn, I picked a bad time to suggest trying woody. This problem is fixed in sid, and can be fixed by moving /etc/inittab.real to /etc/inittab. See:
<URL:http://bugs.debian.org/145434> <URL:http://bugs.debian.org/145469>
We'll see :-)
Yeah, you could install potato and dist-upgrade to woody as an alternative, but apart from that little annoying loop bug, woody would be a better choice.
The 1.33.18 package is in sid, and hopefully will move into woody by tomorrow.
here are the versions for each release:
base-config | 0.33.2 | stable | source, alpha, arm, i386, m68k, powerpc, sparc base-config | 1.33.17 | testing | source, all base-config | 1.33.18 | unstable | source, all
ttyl,
-- Josh Huber
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Chuck Homic wrote:
On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 03:24:30PM -0700, Jeremy wrote:
I'll have to get used to dselect and all the related apt apps.
Ughh.... dselect. I recommend *don't* get used to dselect, and just use apt-get for everything. Flame war?
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you have my vote for apt-get ;) dselect isn't bad...if you spare the time to learn it... p.s. who be goin' to episode 2? :) peace -jeff
jeff <jmr71769@earthlink.net> writes:
you have my vote for apt-get ;)
Yes, apt-get is nice but it does miss some things since it doesn't handle Recommends, etc.
dselect isn't bad...if you spare the time to learn it...
Indeed. But, I really hate dselect. Personally, I think aptitude is a _much_ better frontend to the packaging system. If you do upgrade from potato to woody, make sure after changing your sources.list to woody you upgrade dpkg and apt-get first, and install apt-utils: <edit /etc/apt/sources.list> apt-get update apt-get install dpkg apt-get apt-utils apt-get dist-upgrade done. ;) ttyl, -- Josh Huber
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