On Tuesday 12 February 2002 12:40 pm, Charles R. Anderson wrote:

Please turn off HTML in your mail program. Thanks.

On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 05:27:45PM +0000, luke macneil wrote:

[-- text/html is unsupported (use 'v' to view this part) --] _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug@mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

...or Chuck has to get a modern e-mail tool....... :-) -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:22:07AM -0500, Aaron Haviland wrote:

...or he could just configure it properly :-)

It is configured properly, IMO. - Aside from the whole "email is TEXT goddamnit" argument (which I happen to agree with) have you seen some of the sludge that some of these mailreaders generate and label as HTML? - If the sender's email app is set up properly, even if it is sending an HTML version it should at least have the courtesy to include a plain text version as well. - I read my email through a web frontend ocasionally. I have it configured to only read the text portion of the message, because I'm usually using it from something other than my own machine, so I have no idea if it even has basic security precautions against HTML viruses/trojans/etc in place. - Going text -> HTML increases bandwidth needed (by 3 or 4 times with some of the "let's explicitly wrap everything in every tag we can think of" jobs I've seen - there's a reason the program to beautify FP output is called demoroniser), but rarely adds little additional content. Why waste bandwidth? -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 16 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | I went to the eye doctor and found out I needed glasses for reading. So, I got some flip-up contact lenses. -- Stephen Wright

On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 08:50:57AM -0500, Frank Sweetser wrote:

- Aside from the whole "email is TEXT goddamnit" argument (which I happen to agree with) have you seen some of the sludge that some of these mailreaders generate and label as HTML?

Here here! I used to just bounce HTML-only messages with a "polite" note explaining that the sender's mail program was misconfigured, and I left the text/html alternate mails (the "proper" way to send HTML email) alone. Then I found a script from Randal Schwartz which filters the alternate mails and strips out the HTML section. So I still can read the message, but my system doesn't have to bother storing that HTML section that I won't be using. I then changed my bounce procmail recipe to use a new script I wrote (based on Randal's code) that replaces the HTML-only email contents with a text-ified version spit out of lynx. If you're interested in these scripts (and some tips on filtering out spam...,) you can find it all at: http://www.kluge.net/mailfiltering/ :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Fact: There are n+1 zucchinis in the universe.

> From: Aaron Haviland 
> X-Ads: Reach my targeted audience. Buy this header today.
> X-Go-Away: or I shall taunt you a second time!
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> 
> Frank Sweetser said:
> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:22:07AM -0500, Aaron Haviland wrote:
> > > ...or he could just configure it properly :-)
> >=20
> > It is configured properly, IMO. =20
> >=20
> >  - Aside from the whole "email is TEXT goddamnit" argument (which I happe=
> n to
> 
> i'm not saying that html emails are right. i hate 'em as much as
> everyone else.

No, you don't.  You send Mime quoted-printable.  We curmudgeons
would never do that.  Ascii is the _American_ Standard Code for
Information Interchange.  True patriots will reject subversive
substitutes.

> i just figure i may as well be able to view them. without having
> to complain about it. the ones that aren't spam, at least...

But there aren't any!  I read mail with Emacs and anything that's
HTML gets the middle finger without more than 200 milliseconds
of reflex lag.  (Middle finger is for D(elete).)
I have a few clueless friends who send multipart/alternative with
the same message in Ascii and HTML, but if it's pure HTML, it's
crap.  Don't tell the Spammers, because it will slow down the
sorting if they start spamming in plain text, but don't send
HTML to me, I may never see it.  The message that
started this thread may be the first time in my life I've seen
HTML email that wasn't obvious unquestionable spam.
If I were ambitious about procmail filtering I would not
hesitate to automate the trashing of it.

-- 
     -- Keith Wright  

Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop 
         ---  Food, Shelter, Source code.  ---

Aaron, That problem was happening to me a couple of months ago. In January I was having a different problem, I couldn't connect to their e-mail server every night from abut 6 to 8. It's not doing it now, but it was a real pain. If I could get someone other than verizon for DSL, I'd switch, I'm really not all that impressed with Charter. Wes Aaron Haviland wrote:

Keith Wright said:

...

...

From: Aaron Haviland X-Ads: Reach my targeted audience. Buy this header today. X-Go-Away: or I shall taunt you a second time! Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Frank Sweetser said:

...

On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:22:07AM -0500, Aaron Haviland wrote:

...

...or he could just configure it properly :-)

=20 It is configured properly, IMO. =20 =20 - Aside from the whole "email is TEXT goddamnit" argument (which I happe=

n to

i'm not saying that html emails are right. i hate 'em as much as everyone else.

No, you don't. You send Mime quoted-printable. We curmudgeons would never do that. Ascii is the _American_ Standard Code for Information Interchange. True patriots will reject subversive substitutes.

ACK. I just recently started signing my emails, and hadn't realised mutt's default behaviour in these cases:

6.3.124. pgp_strict_enc

Type: boolean Default: yes

If set, Mutt will automatically encode PGP/MIME signed messages as quoted-printable. Please note that unsetting this variable may lead to problems with non-verifyable PGP signatures, so only change this if you know what you are doing.

I've disabled it. I hope I know what I'm doing...

On another note... has anyone else been having a rather insane amount of network problems with Charter recently? For the last month or so, my modem goes down for over an hour at least twice a week. So much so that I've taken to making a shell script to log the status of the modem...

From what i can tell, it's definitely not all the massachusetts customers. People I know who still have *.hsacorp.net hostnames don't seem to experience it. But for some reason i have a *.wo.cpe.charter-ne.com hostname. Location, I assume.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 12:59:30AM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: andystewart> ...or Chuck has to get a modern e-mail tool....... :-) Over my dead webserver :) Ever hear of web-bugs? -- Charles R. Anderson / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Chalk the "html e-mail > nose ring" analogy up in the "strange but accurate" column! Wes doug waud wrote:

Hi

I agree with the back to basics group.

Just because a new fad exists, does not mean one should adopt it. Witness, for example, nose-rings (or pick your favorite anatomical location).

Another analogy: just because you can pull out a plug does not mean that is a good idea.

And one more. Just because you can wash CD's does not mean that is what you should do.

Oh am I having fun!

doug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug@mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug